Well, like I said before... Most of the houses couldn´t have broken windows or door, because of humans evacuating quickly in the cities and because most pets, if the owner’s in the house even have one, could leave the house on their own because of various reasons that are on my last post.
Fact and absolute fact are the same thing, the second a fact is changed, it is not a fact, therefore a fact is always absolute.
You don't have evidence, but you also don't have a better explanation as to how the world was created in such detail without any planning of a bigger entity.
No matter what you say, you can't disprove God, but you also can't prove he's real.
Heart doesnt do any thinking for me atleast, but looking at all the evidence we have currently, it is a fact that god(s) dont exist. I dont … morehave time to consider the possibility of all the supernatural ceatures existance which humans claim to exist, so its easy to just say they dont exists, since there is no proof of their existance. And like i said before, fact ≠ absolute fact
Burden of proof is on the one who claims something exists.
We already have proper explanation how world was formed and i dont know if you have read about astronomy lately, but there are trillions of planets in universe and of course there is life on some of them, because life exists if it can exist.
Fact and absolute fact are the same thing, the second a fact is changed, it is not a fact, therefore a fact is always absolute.
You don't… more have evidence, but you also don't have a better explanation as to how the world was created in such detail without any planning of a bigger entity.
No matter what you say, you can't disprove God, but you also can't prove he's real.
Burden of proof is on the one who claims something exists.
We already have proper explanation how world was formed and i dont know if you… more have read about astronomy lately, but there are trillions of planets in universe and of course there is life on some of them, because life exists if it can exist.
Well that was the point. We have no reason to believe something exists until there is solid evidence proving its existance... Ive been debating about religions for 4 years in internet so lets not start one here.
Only religions deal with absolutes, science doesnt claim any of its theories (facts) to be absolute.
Burden of proof is on the one who claims something exists.
I didn't claim he exists, I claimed you can't decide with certainty if he… more does or not.
I'm not defending God and religious people, I am treating you just the same as I am treating religious people.
When religious people tell me God has to exist, I tell them it isn't true and that they can't prove it.
When people like you tell me God's existance is 100% unreal, I tell them it isn't true and that they can't prove it.
Until God decends from the sky and tells you he's real, you can't prove that he 100% isn't.
Maybe 99.99%, but you can't ever be sure.
Well that was the point. We have no reason to believe something exists until there is solid evidence proving its existance... Ive been debat… moreing about religions for 4 years in internet so lets not start one here.
Only religions deal with absolutes, science doesnt claim any of its theories (facts) to be absolute.
Well that was the point. We have no reason to believe something exists until there is solid evidence proving its existance... Ive been debat… moreing about religions for 4 years in internet so lets not start one here.
Only religions deal with absolutes, science doesnt claim any of its theories (facts) to be absolute.
This "too far gone" and "broken" crap, as if it describes perfectly Kenny's behavior and alone merits bringing his death around quicker, nee… moreds to be turned from. I'm not going to use the word that best describes this perverted form of it for fear that it'll spread among the already infected minds like an epidemic. This particular issue isn't even about picking Jane or Kenny. The line of logic you choose for your reasoning is a malfunction and inferior. From one enlightened organism to another, see to reforming it so that you can come up with better reasoning.
Eren, is 23:06 where I am from and I am going to sleep, so I am going to edit this to replay to your comment tomorrow.
EDIT: All the Pro-… moreKenny fans here keep re-posting the same damn points after I've addressed them, multiple times.
Arguing with you is like arguing with Kenny.
You still don´t see how frustrated you seem?
Of course I ´chosen to make the same argument´. It was to see if you actually could replay to my second post, which you didn´t. Twice. You say you were to lazy to replay back, and two days later you repost your entire argument in another tread instead of continuing our argument. How is that not running away?
I never said that taking care of Clem is selfish, but that only caring about her is selfish. Is not that she only got attached to ´Clem´, but that she couldn´t care if the group died if Clem didn´t care about them.
You didn´t adrees anything. When I said Jane killing Troy in such a brutal way didn´t make… [view original content]
Doesn't matter how experienced you are, it's always good to meet new viewpoints.
So take God as a theory, that's what I said.
You can'… moret prove him to be untrue just the same as you can't prove him to be true, don't you see the balance in that?
It's logical, I'm not saying he exists, I'm saying it isn't 100% impossible for God to exist.
Yeah I still cannot believe that Arvo shot Clem. Still she knew it could happen. Why else would she of drawn? Yeah.. I think I would take a bullet the way she did.
I ended up with Jane too, killing Kenny along the way. He was just too far gone. And yes, Jane wouldn´t take a bullet for us, but really, wo… moreuld we take a bullet for anyone? My safety is first. I didn't want the baby either, so I left it laying there in the first scene and I would do it again in a heartbeat.
Dayum, some of y'all need to take a chill pill and calm down. Can't even discuss without getting bashed on. No wonder I'm barely discussing about this game anymore. Calm your tits or else they're gonna fall off. -___-
I get it, but it makes people happy and feel like someone is watching over them and loves them no matter what, and if you're a good person (I'm not saying you aren't) you won't deny them from the freedom of believing in a God.
Some people have a reason, as I said, and you also can't say he doesn't exist at the same time, both sides cannot prove their argument.
And at that time Jane was hardly defenseless. Remember when she cut him? Kenny backed up and went outside and Jane followed him with a knife in hand, with the clear intention to KILL him, she even states that. If it wasn't for Kenny disarming Jane so greatly, he would've died because she waved her knife obviously wanting to wound Kenny.
It was Jane or Kenny. Jane might've not been a direct threat to Kenny's life during those seconds, but she sure as hell was just moments before.
If we got with intentions behind actions, what he did was voluntary manslaughter against someone who provoked him and created the whole scenario so she could have an excuse to kill him. And that, in my eyes, was self-defense for trying to eliminate a threatening person who was more than willing to end your life seconds before. I mean, if someone tries to cut my stomach, doesn't back up despite having the upper hand, gauges my eye out and on top of that, is responsable of a baby's death, I'll do everything in my power to eliminate them because they clearly want me gone just as much.
Edit:I was rude as hell with you because you called people's arguments "ignorant" and that's incredibly conceited and vain.
Nothing's wrong with me. "Jane cut Kenny's stomach and tried to gauge his eye out", this happened during the fight, Kenny lunged at her. Bot… moreh Kenny and Jane had malicious intent, do you forget Kenny stabbing Jane's leg after Clementine pulled her off? There were many places the fight could've ended. As for Kenny defending himself, he wasn't always on the offensive, no, but the one time he was in a similar defenseless position to the one he would have Jane in later, Clementine stops that pretty quickly. Neither of them were innocent, but Kenny had no reason to kill Jane at that point, there simply was no reason for him to continue on and stab her. If you need me to explain exactly why I believe there was no reason, it's simple, Jane was not a direct threat to Kenny's life at the moment. What happened when Clementine pulled Jane off of Kenny? He grabbed her knife, stabbed her in the leg, got on top of her, and tried to shove the knife into her … [view original content]
I get it, but it makes people happy and feel like someone is watching over them and loves them no matter what, and if you're a good person (… moreI'm not saying you aren't) you won't deny them from the freedom of believing in a God.
Some people have a reason, as I said, and you also can't say he doesn't exist at the same time, both sides cannot prove their argument.
No more this talk if you dont understand how it works.
You may think you're right, but if you can't open your ears and just listen to opinions without shoving down your world view into the equation, what you are doing is exactly like some people shove religion down people's throats.
Burden of proof is on the positive claim.
You keep talking like I'm proving that God exists, I'm not, I'm saying that you can't be sure that God isn't a real thing, not that God's existance is a positive claim.
So no more this talk if you dont understand how opinions and views work.
Burden of proof is on the positive claim.Exaxtly the reason i dont think there are gnomes or goblins.
No more this talk if you dont understand how it works.
Learn the difference between facts and opinions. And if you dont know what are facts, educate yourself.
There is no any evidence which indicates that there would be a god = i can say for a fact that there is no god. Facts are only the most likely right answer and on question if god exists, most likely answer is no = god doesnt exist is a fact.
No more this talk if you dont understand how it works.
You may think you're right, but if you can't open your ears and just listen t… moreo opinions without shoving down your world view into the equation, what you are doing is exactly like some people shove religion down people's throats.
Burden of proof is on the positive claim.
You keep talking like I'm proving that God exists, I'm not, I'm saying that you can't be sure that God isn't a real thing, not that God's existance is a positive claim.
So no more this talk if you dont understand how opinions and views work.
I loved both Kenny and Jane but in the end I decided to shoot Kenny. I decided I wanted to put him out of misery and not make him suffer any… more longer. I was mad at Jane but I understood that what she did was the best for Clem. In the end I went with Jane and kicked the family out.
I know what facts are, facts cannot be changed, and if God ever shows himself in one way or another, this fact will cease to exist, that is also why you can never say it's a fact.
The fact that there is no evidence as of now will not contradict that there can be facts discovered in the future.
Learn the difference between facts and opinions. And if you dont know what are facts, educate yourself.
I am educated, and more important than education, learn to respect people's views.
most likely answer is no = god doesnt exist is a fact.
Learn the difference between facts and opinions. And if you dont know what are facts, educate yourself.
There is no any evidence which indi… morecates that there would be a god = i can say for a fact that there is no god. Facts are only the most likely right answer and on question if god exists, most likely answer is no = god doesnt exist is a fact.
No, because friends do it for free, that's what people who support Jane's "survival of the fittest - each one for his own - no dead weight" mentality will never understand: Helping the ones you love because you prioritize them before yourself.
You seem to not understand the meaning of word "fact". Facts in science are the most likely right answer. Absolute facts claim to be 100% true. Scientific facts are never claimed to be 100% true, thus they can change if we gain new information.
I know what facts are, facts cannot be changed, and if God ever shows himself in one way or another, this fact will cease to exist, that is … morealso why you can never say it's a fact.
The fact that there is no evidence as of now will not contradict that there can be facts discovered in the future.
Learn the difference between facts and opinions. And if you dont know what are facts, educate yourself.
I am educated, and more important than education, learn to respect people's views.
most likely answer is no = god doesnt exist is a fact.
most likely answer
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Fucking finally.
Caring and Sane? She considers everyone other than herself to be a worthless crutch and only went with Clementine because she has some creepy sister complex. She risked the baby's life and made Clem kill one of her best friends to prove a point. She's smart and knows how to survive, but is objectively not caring or sane.
Remember when Clem accidentally got Sarita killed? That was nothing compared to what he will do to Clem if she loses the baby. After Clement… moreine accidentally kills the baby he would lose all hope and immediately kill Clem. What's stopping him from doing so? Nothing is. She is the only one he can take his anger out on now. Why would I choose to go with the psycho man instead of with the smart, caring, knows how to survive, sane women?
She is controllled by you, Clementine is who you make her be in Season 2, she isn't eleven, she is you (unless you are eleven in which case I think you probably shouldn't play that game).
My freaking god, you know, I work in a kindergarten, and the kids there are more mature than most here .
Seriously, Kenny-Hater here, Ken… moreny-Fanboys there, I hate you, you have no brain, your'e an a-hole, bla bla...
I killed Kenny too. I have my reasons why. If you want, look at my other posts. Does that mean I have to argue over and over and over and over again? No. No sane person can look at this forum anymore without seeing people, nay, little children fighting about the same topic all the damn time. Shame, I liked the Forum before.
Seriously, bringing Kenny back in Season 2 seems to have been an extremely bad decision. Not because I don't like him, but because of threads like this.
Facts in science are the most likely right answer.
You said earlier that you are sure God doesn't exist, yet now you say it is "the most likely" answer.
I am educated, and even if you're more educated than me, at least I won't shove things and opinions down your throat, and will respect people for who they are and not go against what they believe in, because what they believe in does not reflect on who they are entirley.
In the end, even if God is real/isn't real, being a good person and doing justice is more important than proving God to be real or not.
You seem to not understand the meaning of word "fact". Facts in science are the most likely right answer. Absolute facts claim to be 100… more% true. Scientific facts are never claimed to be 100% true, thus they can change if we gain new information.
Educate yourself...
The only reason they let them in was because Kenny pleaded Edith to take them. Kenny, putting his own safety and happiness in stake for the sake of two people he adores that are not even related to him is huge and it debunks every negative assumption Jane might've formed about Kenny (he's crazy clem) (he'll never let AJ go) (He wants people around him that won't reply back) (he's dangerous).
His ending is a living proof that Kenny cares about Clem's safety a LOT, is not dangerous at all to her, is willing to let go of AJ and has his priorities straight.
Now, if you decide to left Jane behind you'll realize her intentions were always selfish and only focused in her OWN feelings. But if you left Kenny behind, he'll encourage you, hug you and tell you you're capable of everything, despite his own feelings of sorrow and solitude he'll let you go because you think that's for the best and he respects that because he loves Clementine and AJ above everything else. Unlike Jane, who wanted to ditch the whole group when you were arguing in the car literally 5 minutes before the fight lol. How can you trust such a manipulative, changing and lying person? that's beyond me.
She stated that they arent taking new people in. Stop assuming things just because they decided to let Clem and AJ in out of pity. They didn… moret show any pity to Kenny, so without Clem and AJ, Kenny would most likely just walk away with the bag of supplies (imo).
I don't think Jane put Clem in that position, I think Kenny did with his reaction. Jane wanted Kenny to show his true state of mind but not fight to the death!
This "too far gone" and "broken" crap, as if it describes perfectly Kenny's behavior and alone merits bringing his death around quicker, nee… moreds to be turned from. I'm not going to use the word that best describes this perverted form of it for fear that it'll spread among the already infected minds like an epidemic. This particular issue isn't even about picking Jane or Kenny. The line of logic you choose for your reasoning is a malfunction and inferior. From one enlightened organism to another, see to reforming it so that you can come up with better reasoning.
The only reason they let them in was because Kenny pleaded Edith to take them. Kenny, putting his own safety and happiness in stake for the … moresake of two people he adores that are not even related to him is huge and it debunks every negative assumption Jane might've formed about Kenny (he's crazy clem) (he'll never let AJ go) (He wants people around him that won't reply back) (he's dangerous).
His ending is a living proof that Kenny cares about Clem's safety a LOT, is not dangerous at all to her, is willing to let go of AJ and has his priorities straight.
Now, if you decide to left Jane behind you'll realize her intentions were always selfish and only focused in her OWN feelings. But if you left Kenny behind, he'll encourage you, hug you and tell you you're capable of everything, despite his own feelings of sorrow and solitude he'll let you go because you think that's for the best and he respects that because he loves Clementine and AJ a… [view original content]
Based on what I have read? No, most definitely not. Everyone has their moments (I was close to having one yesterday), but you're clearly a reasonable guy to me. I think what both of us could use work in is not taking immature posts aimed towards us seriously. As bad as the posts can look, it might be better off to just not respond sometimes.
Belan.. Answer this honestly..
Am I an asshole?
Because that twat called me an asshole, and Flog described me as the only thing I don't want to be perceived as, am I that?
He did. "You can take the bag if that helps" he was willing to go into the wilderness without supplies for the sake of the kids. That's risking his own integrity.
Can you call a grieving man that was thrown over the edge by a manipulative person unstable? unfit to take care of a kid? because if we go with that reasoning, Lee must've been an awful guardian in your eyes.
Jane is indeed selfish and made an awful lot of wrong assumtions "I did it for you Clem. FOR US. We're free now" and then "**I can't make this **WITHOUT YOU IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR?" it was all for her own benefit. She's selfish until the very end. If you can't see that then you're being delusional.
It's okay to like Jane, I couldn't care less. But she's everything but rational and logical. She's manipulative, lying, selfish and reckless and that's proven in the end.
Kenny didnt risk his safety in any way...
Kenny is unstable, violent and acts before thinking. Those are the reason Jane wanted Clementin… moree away from him.
So when Kenny cares about Clementine, he is selfless and when Jane cares about Clementine, she is selfish? Your logic is just flawless.
I like Jane because we are very alike. Cynical, rational, logical, objective.
I see that you are hardcore Kenny fan and Jane hater, so i guess there is no point to argue with you, since you will just ignore/discredit everything good Jane does? My Lee wasnt awful guardian. Kenny fans biggest excuse is always "hes been through a lot... he is justified to assault/murder people if he gets angry"
She is rational & logical on her own. Clementine is the reason she started to act emotionally, thus the stupid plan. And yeah, she was about to lose her someone she cared about a lot, of course she gets desperate.
He did. "You can take the bag if that helps" he was willing to go into the wilderness without supplies for the sake of the kids. That's risk… moreing his own integrity.
Can you call a grieving man that was thrown over the edge by a manipulative person unstable? unfit to take care of a kid? because if we go with that reasoning, Lee must've been an awful guardian in your eyes.
Jane is indeed selfish and made an awful lot of wrong assumtions "I did it for you Clem. FOR US. We're free now" and then "**I can't make this **WITHOUT YOU IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR?" it was all for her own benefit. She's selfish until the very end. If you can't see that then you're being delusional.
It's okay to like Jane, I couldn't care less. But she's everything but rational and logical. She's manipulative, lying, selfish and reckless and that's proven in the end.
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Well like i've said before... Houses break and animals can sneak in.
Well, like I said before... Most of the houses couldn´t have broken windows or door, because of humans evacuating quickly in the cities and because most pets, if the owner’s in the house even have one, could leave the house on their own because of various reasons that are on my last post.
Fact and absolute fact are the same thing, the second a fact is changed, it is not a fact, therefore a fact is always absolute.
You don't have evidence, but you also don't have a better explanation as to how the world was created in such detail without any planning of a bigger entity.
No matter what you say, you can't disprove God, but you also can't prove he's real.
Burden of proof is on the one who claims something exists.
We already have proper explanation how world was formed and i dont know if you have read about astronomy lately, but there are trillions of planets in universe and of course there is life on some of them, because life exists if it can exist.
I didn't claim he exists, I claimed you can't decide with certainty if he does or not.
I'm not defending God and religious people, I am treating you just the same as I am treating religious people.
When religious people tell me God has to exist, I tell them it isn't true and that they can't prove it.
When people like you tell me God's existance is 100% unreal, I tell them it isn't true and that they can't prove it.
Until God decends from the sky and tells you he's real, you can't prove that he 100% isn't.
Maybe 99.99%, but you can't ever be sure.
Well that was the point. We have no reason to believe something exists until there is solid evidence proving its existance... Ive been debating about religions for 4 years in internet so lets not start one here.
Only religions deal with absolutes, science doesnt claim any of its theories (facts) to be absolute.
Doesn't matter how experienced you are, it's always good to meet new viewpoints.
So take God as a theory, that's what I said.
You can't prove him to be untrue just the same as you can't prove him to be true, don't you see the balance in that?
It's logical, I'm not saying he exists, I'm saying it isn't 100% impossible for God to exist.
It can go both ways, We dont have proof something exists but on the other hand we dont have proof something DOESNT exist
^ Exactly, thank you for understanding what I was trying to say
I made the same decisions and even turned away the family that came to Howes.. That little boy at the end is going to be trouble!!!
And how can you disprove negative? You cant... thats why the burden of proof is on the one that claims something exists.
What im saying is that there is no reason to believe such thing exists.
Yeah I still cannot believe that Arvo shot Clem. Still she knew it could happen. Why else would she of drawn? Yeah..
I think I would take a bullet the way she did.
finally someone here, who thinks in the right way
I get it, but it makes people happy and feel like someone is watching over them and loves them no matter what, and if you're a good person (I'm not saying you aren't) you won't deny them from the freedom of believing in a God.
Some people have a reason, as I said, and you also can't say he doesn't exist at the same time, both sides cannot prove their argument.
I didn't claim it exists though..
I just claim it isn't impossible that it cannot exist.
And at that time Jane was hardly defenseless. Remember when she cut him? Kenny backed up and went outside and Jane followed him with a knife in hand, with the clear intention to KILL him, she even states that. If it wasn't for Kenny disarming Jane so greatly, he would've died because she waved her knife obviously wanting to wound Kenny.
It was Jane or Kenny. Jane might've not been a direct threat to Kenny's life during those seconds, but she sure as hell was just moments before.
If we got with intentions behind actions, what he did was voluntary manslaughter against someone who provoked him and created the whole scenario so she could have an excuse to kill him. And that, in my eyes, was self-defense for trying to eliminate a threatening person who was more than willing to end your life seconds before. I mean, if someone tries to cut my stomach, doesn't back up despite having the upper hand, gauges my eye out and on top of that, is responsable of a baby's death, I'll do everything in my power to eliminate them because they clearly want me gone just as much.
Edit:I was rude as hell with you because you called people's arguments "ignorant" and that's incredibly conceited and vain.
Burden of proof is on the positive claim.Exaxtly the reason i dont think there are gnomes or goblins.
No more this talk if you dont understand how it works.
You may think you're right, but if you can't open your ears and just listen to opinions without shoving down your world view into the equation, what you are doing is exactly like some people shove religion down people's throats.
You keep talking like I'm proving that God exists, I'm not, I'm saying that you can't be sure that God isn't a real thing, not that God's existance is a positive claim.
So no more this talk if you dont understand how opinions and views work.
Learn the difference between facts and opinions. And if you dont know what are facts, educate yourself.
There is no any evidence which indicates that there would be a god = i can say for a fact that there is no god. Facts are only the most likely right answer and on question if god exists, most likely answer is no = god doesnt exist is a fact.
Oh yeah, putting a man out of his misery as if he was some kind of animal, a rabid dog if you may That's just awful.
I know what facts are, facts cannot be changed, and if God ever shows himself in one way or another, this fact will cease to exist, that is also why you can never say it's a fact.
The fact that there is no evidence as of now will not contradict that there can be facts discovered in the future.
I am educated, and more important than education, learn to respect people's views.
Fucking finally.
Clementine is 11, Kenny is probably in his 40's...
You seem to not understand the meaning of word "fact". Facts in science are the most likely right answer. Absolute facts claim to be 100% true. Scientific facts are never claimed to be 100% true, thus they can change if we gain new information.
Educate yourself...
Caring and Sane? She considers everyone other than herself to be a worthless crutch and only went with Clementine because she has some creepy sister complex. She risked the baby's life and made Clem kill one of her best friends to prove a point. She's smart and knows how to survive, but is objectively not caring or sane.
She is controllled by you, Clementine is who you make her be in Season 2, she isn't eleven, she is you (unless you are eleven in which case I think you probably shouldn't play that game).
LOL
Your post is literally nothing but whining and insulting everyone other than you. And you're actually trying to take the high ground here?
You said earlier that you are sure God doesn't exist, yet now you say it is "the most likely" answer.
I am educated, and even if you're more educated than me, at least I won't shove things and opinions down your throat, and will respect people for who they are and not go against what they believe in, because what they believe in does not reflect on who they are entirley.
In the end, even if God is real/isn't real, being a good person and doing justice is more important than proving God to be real or not.
The only reason they let them in was because Kenny pleaded Edith to take them. Kenny, putting his own safety and happiness in stake for the sake of two people he adores that are not even related to him is huge and it debunks every negative assumption Jane might've formed about Kenny (he's crazy clem) (he'll never let AJ go) (He wants people around him that won't reply back) (he's dangerous).
His ending is a living proof that Kenny cares about Clem's safety a LOT, is not dangerous at all to her, is willing to let go of AJ and has his priorities straight.
Now, if you decide to left Jane behind you'll realize her intentions were always selfish and only focused in her OWN feelings. But if you left Kenny behind, he'll encourage you, hug you and tell you you're capable of everything, despite his own feelings of sorrow and solitude he'll let you go because you think that's for the best and he respects that because he loves Clementine and AJ above everything else. Unlike Jane, who wanted to ditch the whole group when you were arguing in the car literally 5 minutes before the fight lol. How can you trust such a manipulative, changing and lying person? that's beyond me.
"show his true state of mind"
by "killing" a baby. now that's one big of a state mind.
Kenny didnt risk his safety in any way...
Kenny is unstable, violent and acts before thinking. Those are the reason Jane wanted Clementine away from him.
So when Kenny cares about Clementine, he is selfless and when Jane cares about Clementine, she is selfish? Your logic is just flawless.
I like Jane because we are very alike. Cynical, rational, logical, objective.
Based on what I have read? No, most definitely not. Everyone has their moments (I was close to having one yesterday), but you're clearly a reasonable guy to me. I think what both of us could use work in is not taking immature posts aimed towards us seriously. As bad as the posts can look, it might be better off to just not respond sometimes.
He did. "You can take the bag if that helps" he was willing to go into the wilderness without supplies for the sake of the kids. That's risking his own integrity.
Can you call a grieving man that was thrown over the edge by a manipulative person unstable? unfit to take care of a kid? because if we go with that reasoning, Lee must've been an awful guardian in your eyes.
Jane is indeed selfish and made an awful lot of wrong assumtions "I did it for you Clem. FOR US. We're free now" and then "**I can't make this **WITHOUT YOU IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR?" it was all for her own benefit. She's selfish until the very end. If you can't see that then you're being delusional.
It's okay to like Jane, I couldn't care less. But she's everything but rational and logical. She's manipulative, lying, selfish and reckless and that's proven in the end.
Will you just shut the fuck up already. You are making yourself look like a moron, Zykelator.
i am a moron?
I see that you are hardcore Kenny fan and Jane hater, so i guess there is no point to argue with you, since you will just ignore/discredit everything good Jane does? My Lee wasnt awful guardian. Kenny fans biggest excuse is always "hes been through a lot... he is justified to assault/murder people if he gets angry"
She is rational & logical on her own. Clementine is the reason she started to act emotionally, thus the stupid plan. And yeah, she was about to lose her someone she cared about a lot, of course she gets desperate.