So I guess the Kenny haters condone what Jane did?

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  • edited September 2014

    You know, I was willing to give her a chance 'till the end. She lied, manipulated Clem and got the last friend/protector she had killed. So yeah, fuck The Stra- I mean, Jane.

  • i chose to agree with him so i didn't have any problem with him and i think he was right

    our clems are different.

    zykelator posted: »

    Never said he doesnt care about Clementine, i said he doesnt care about what Clementine thinks . He ignores Clem many times and gets mad if you dont agree with him.

  • Well she cared about Clementine and didnt want to leave him with unstable and violent person like Kenny (and generally wanted to be with her).

    Soresu posted: »

    Everything is risky in the Apocalytic world, wherever they go, whatever they do, whoever they meet, there's always a risk. She just never wa

  • Well thats irrelevant, because if you ever decide to disagree with his stupid plans, he gets mad at you.

    lartenc posted: »

    i chose to agree with him so i didn't have any problem with him and i think he was right our clems are different.

  • No, I dont think he is.

    Well, that´s like, your opinion man.

    KCohere posted: »

    No, I dont think he is.

  • edited September 2014

    i never disagreed with him because he was right.

    tell me one of his stupid plans

    zykelator posted: »

    Well thats irrelevant, because if you ever decide to disagree with his stupid plans, he gets mad at you.

  • edited September 2014

    That is your opinion. Jane wasn't any less violent and unstable person but I'm not going to start making a comparison since there are a lot of that in this thread already. And no offense but by the looks of your other posts you have a prejudice against Kenny and you will likely continue to praise Jane and her actions whatever I say in his defense.

    zykelator posted: »

    Well she cared about Clementine and didnt want to leave him with unstable and violent person like Kenny (and generally wanted to be with her).

    1. find a boat
    2. convince Lee to murder Ben
    3. help Ben
    4. kill Carvers men which Carver retaliates (repeats if not convinced to stop)
    5. try to rambo your way out of the truck
    6. bash Carvers skull in, costing them precious time
    7. plans to find Wellington and breaks the group because of this
    8. Murder Jane because AJ died for some reason

    List of his stupid plans i remember.

    lartenc posted: »

    i never disagreed with him because he was right. tell me one of his stupid plans

  • edited September 2014

    I PREFER THIS ENDING:

    Stay with Kenny and Leave Wellington in The Walking Dead Season 2 Episode 5 - No Going Back

    BECAUSE,

    I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.

    HE'S JUST ONE OF THOSE CHARACTERS WHO WILL BE WITH YOU, ALMOST TO THE END!

    FOREVER KENNY AND CLEMENTINE.

    I LOVE KENNY.

  • In what has become a sea of "no you" (I've tried, but I suspect I have a small share in the blame for that), this post is great.

    In my mind, you've perfectly struck upon both main character arcs for season 2 (overshadowing anyone else including Clem, really). Both are headed to redemption - Jane in the form of growth as a person (trust issues being alleviated), Kenny by knowing that Clem (and AJ) are safe (in some small way proving that he wasn't a horrible person - whether that's true or not is irrelevant), either in Wellington or with Jane (here speaking from Kenny's perspective, even if you do shoot him, hence the "you did the right thing" talk).

    dvang posted: »

    My wife and I were pro-Kenny from season 1. Although, even in season 1 you could tell he was something of a jerk. Still, his intentions we

  • edited September 2014

    To be fair to Kenny a few of his plans aren't completely brain-dead in concept. It's just that there's hardly anything but the most rudimentary outline of a plan.

    As such it easily becomes more of a wishful goal, than an actual workable plan. And because of this it becomes quite hard to convince anyone else of the merits of said plan.

    It's actually illustrated nicely by the escape plan, which as far as I recall was somewhat Kenny's idea, with all the details and actual planning worked out by everyone else. (I could be wrong about who came up with the idea, but that doesn't negate the point(s) made above)

    zykelator posted: »

    * find a boat * convince Lee to murder Ben * help Ben * kill Carvers men which Carver retaliates (repeats if not convinced to stop) * tr

  • 1.if finding a boat is stupid,why should vernon try to rub that boat with his group and molly told lee that she couldn't
    find a boat and if she could,she wouldn't be in savannah.i think molly was smarter than all of them.
    2.do you think it was a plan???i told you about ben enough in the earlier posts.
    3.he put himself in danger to save ben.i thought ben was a friend(we never leave friends behind,don't we??)
    4.we didn't know carver well so it could be helpful but carver killed walter and i convinced kenny to stop that and he didn't get mad at clem.
    5.when???
    6.carver was dangrous and someone had to stop him,kenny did it and revenge never was a plan.
    7.there was a high security shelter with lots of supplies,is that stupid????
    at least it's better than going south,christa was agree with this plan too and it's considerable.
    8.do you think it was a plan???if it was,i would shoot kenny twice

    do you think these are plans???
    .

    zykelator posted: »

    * find a boat * convince Lee to murder Ben * help Ben * kill Carvers men which Carver retaliates (repeats if not convinced to stop) * tr

    1. They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine. Only reason they found it was luck.
    2. He planned to leave Ben behind, because there wasnt enough space in the boat. Getting him killed would get him his revenge.
    3. Ben was dead already. Should have either let him there to die or shoot him before walkers surrounded him. And realisically, Kenny would have died there.
    4. The fact that he is ready to shoot more people after Carver shoots Walter.
    5. When they are being moved to Howe's in the truck, he gets himself free from ropes and wants to "punch the first person he sees, take his gun and shoot next person", while there are bunch of people aiming guns at them. Very stupid plan which would have gotten people killed, if it wasnt for the door.
    6. Killing Carver i would have understanded. Carver was dead after like 3 hits but he kept destroying his face until it was gone. If thats not revenge, then nothing is.
    7. They didnt know its exact location or if it even existed. They could have easily died from cold.
    8. he decided to murder Jane because in his mind, Jane murdered AJ. He has acted on his delusional thoughts before also and hurt people.
    lartenc posted: »

    1.if finding a boat is stupid,why should vernon try to rub that boat with his group and molly told lee that she couldn't find a boat and if

  • They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine. Only reason they found it was luck.

    Everyone in the group agred that it was stupid, but go looking was worth just in case.

    He planned to leave Ben behind, because there wasnt enough space in the boat. Getting him killed would get him his revenge.

    Nope, nope. He wanted to leave Ben behind, after he just confessed that the deaths of his family were his fault. What did you expect?

    Ben was dead already. Should have either let him there to die or shoot him before walkers surrounded him. And realisically, Kenny would have died there.

    He was trying to save him or a least give him a peaceful death. Also, him escaping was not that far fetched, considering there is a certain character in the walkind dead comics that survives in a gym infested with walkers for days just because he is badass like that.

    The fact that he is ready to shoot more people after Carver shoots Walter.

    He no reason to think Carver couldn´t just kill him if he gave himself out.1

    When they are being moved to Howe's in the truck, he gets himself free from ropes and wants to "punch the first person he sees, take his gun and shoot next person", while there are bunch of people aiming guns at them. Very stupid plan which would have gotten people killed, if it wasnt for the door.

    It was stupid, yes, but he had no reason to think Carver couldn´t execute them in front of his community to make a example out of them, so that the plan was stupid doesn´t change that the alternative was worse.

    Killing Carver i would have understanded. Carver was dead after like 3 hits but he kept destroying his face until it was gone. If thats not revenge, then nothing is.

    Is revenge a plan? Nope. Is revenge stupid? Nope.

    They didnt know its exact location or if it even existed. They could have easily died from cold.

    Michigan, and seeing that was a worldwide rumor then it was next to impossible that Wellington didn´t exist.

    he decided to murder Jane because in his mind, Jane murdered AJ.

    Is that a plan? Nope. Its rage.

    zykelator posted: »

    * They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine.

  • Revenge is not stupid? Thats pretty stupid thing to say.

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine. On

  • Well I totally agree with u. Great text

    dvang posted: »

    My wife and I were pro-Kenny from season 1. Although, even in season 1 you could tell he was something of a jerk. Still, his intentions we

  • 1.they didn't know that there is no boat in savannah,the boat was a plan from episode 1
    2.it's not good reason for that,you are saying that you know what kenny thought.that's funny.
    3.kenny was on the roof but he decided to help him as fast as he could and he didn't know what happened down there.
    4.you could convince him,it's your choice
    5.yeah that was stupid
    6.actually it was revenge,kenny lost his eye
    7.there was no way.south was dangerous(we saw that zombies got there)
    8.jane was killed by her own knife,if there was no knife,she could be alive.kenny just wanted to punish her not killing her.she made a big mistake to make that situation.i could do nothing for her.i never shoot my friend just for a stupid mistake or something else.jane wasn't close enough to clem.we just have knew each other for 2 episedes(she didn't talk to clem in episode 3).but we knew kenny very well.if no one disturb him he wouldn't be angry.jane should trust clem about kenny.clem told her several times that he would be alright but jane didn't listen to her and made a stupid plan that lost her life for that.

    zykelator posted: »

    * They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine.

  • Revenge is not stupid? Thats pretty stupid thing to say.

    Revenge is a natural human impulse, not stupid.

    zykelator posted: »

    Revenge is not stupid? Thats pretty stupid thing to say.

  • in that situation,i was ready to watch his mashed face because he f....ked with us.

    yeah it's stupid and there in no rational reason for that.it had to be done

    just remember what he did to walter,alvin,kenny,luke and......

    zykelator posted: »

    Revenge is not stupid? Thats pretty stupid thing to say.

  • Kenny caused the death of Walter and could have caused death of Alvin.

    lartenc posted: »

    in that situation,i was ready to watch his mashed face because he f....ked with us. yeah it's stupid and there in no rational reason for that.it had to be done just remember what he did to walter,alvin,kenny,luke and......

    1. well they should have. Very reasonable thing to assume.
    2. the fact that Kenny is ready to let more people and repeat the mistake shows how stupid his plan was
    3. time consuming and pointless to hit dead corpse
    4. Kenny admited that he wouldnt have gone that far if he didnt think AJ was dead. He was planning to murder her from very begining. My clem didnt side with Kenny, so its determinant
    lartenc posted: »

    1.they didn't know that there is no boat in savannah,the boat was a plan from episode 1 2.it's not good reason for that,you are saying that

  • how kenny should know that carver would kill walter???

    zykelator posted: »

    Kenny caused the death of Walter and could have caused death of Alvin.

  • edited September 2014

    No, No, No!

    Look from this website:

    http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Video_Game_Statistics

    It's saying that:

    Survivalism: Shot Kenny?

    Shot Kenny - 49.2%

    Looked away/Didn't pick up the gun - 52.9%

    and

    Friendship: In the end, who are you with?

    With AJ, Jane, and the Family - 25.8%

    Alone with AJ - 22.7%

    With AJ at Wellington - 16.6%

    With AJ, and Kenny- 29.9%

    With AJ and Jane - 10.4%

    So many people stay with AJ and Kenny!

    :D

    Kenny, he's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.

    Love Kenny.

    AsariTears posted: »

    I finished my game 12 hours ago. It was 64% of players shot Kenny.

  • 1.once you said that it's stupid now you're saying that's reasonabe.very well!!!!

    2.what??let more people to do what???

    3.revenge caused that

    4.you have no evidence to say that he planned for murdering her and you know that very well

    zykelator posted: »

    * well they should have. Very reasonable thing to assume. * the fact that Kenny is ready to let more people and repeat the mistake shows ho

  • Wow! That's so cool!

    I Love it!

    Kenny, he's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.

    Love Kenny.

    1. reasonable thing was to assume there are no boats. Are you having trouble understanding?
    2. Let more people die...

    3. He says that in the game... Maybe you should play the game first?

    lartenc posted: »

    1.once you said that it's stupid now you're saying that's reasonabe.very well!!!! 2.what??let more people to do what??? 3.revenge caused that 4.you have no evidence to say that he planned for murdering her and you know that very well

    • I hate Jane, Jane is sneaky.

    • And Kenny, he's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.

    • Love Kenny!

    zykelator posted: »

    * reasonable thing was to assume there are no boats. Are you having trouble understanding? * Let more people die... * He says that in the game... Maybe you should play the game first?

  • I hate Kenny, he is violent, unstable, stubborn, arrogant, irrational and racist.

    * I hate Jane, Jane is sneaky. * And Kenny, he's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end. * Love Kenny!

  • violent

    Not to the people he cares for.

    unstable,

    Because being pushed over the edge by Jane totally makes him unestable. Whatever.

    stubborn

    And?

    arrogant,

    Nope.

    irrational

    That´s your opinion.

    racist.

    Nope.

    zykelator posted: »

    I hate Kenny, he is violent, unstable, stubborn, arrogant, irrational and racist.

  • edited September 2014

    yeahhh,you are just jane lover,nothing else.

    your sentences come from 10 years old kid.

    i asked you to tell me what was the plans that clem could ignore them,then you told me about foolish reasons that proved nothing.

    i finished the game when your device was searching for new updates for twd and i didn't hear it from kenny.

    don't be a liar like jane

    zykelator posted: »

    * reasonable thing was to assume there are no boats. Are you having trouble understanding? * Let more people die... * He says that in the game... Maybe you should play the game first?

  • if you told me these first,i wouldn't make any conversation with you to convince you that you are wrong.

    you're wrong about all of this and you didn't get the point from the game

    you're just jane lover and you think that you can forgive yourself for killing kenny

    zykelator posted: »

    I hate Kenny, he is violent, unstable, stubborn, arrogant, irrational and racist.

  • Forgive myself for killing Kenny? What is there to forgive?

    lartenc posted: »

    if you told me these first,i wouldn't make any conversation with you to convince you that you are wrong. you're wrong about all of this a

    • Watch this video at 4:24 in YouTube:
    • When Clementine trying save Alvin, then Carver take Clementine
    • After this, Kenny come and gives up to save Clementine

    So, Kenny would never hurt Clementine, you can see that Kenny trying always to save Clementine

    • in Season 2 Episode 3, when Clementine has Walkie Talkie and Carver search the another Walkie Talkie, so you can see again that Kenny save Clementine from Carver, because Kenny lying to Carver that he has the Walkie Talkie and so Carver beats on Kenny's face and Kenny lost an Eye. This is sad.

    • Kenny is a true Friend.

    zykelator posted: »

    Forgive myself for killing Kenny? What is there to forgive?

  • it's your choice.

    i said what i could say,the conversation goes no where.

    zykelator posted: »

    Forgive myself for killing Kenny? What is there to forgive?

  • Yes, Kenny wouldnt hurt Clementine on purpose, but his action do hurt Clem indirectly (very much like ben getting Kennys family killed, because of misjudgement)

    Mike proposes that he takes the walkie talkie and even if Clementine agrees, Kenny forces Clementine to take the walkie talkie, so its Kennys fault that Clementine had the walkie talkie.

    * Watch this video at 4:24 in YouTube: * When Clementine trying save Alvin, then Carver take Clementine * After this, Kenny come and give

  • But Kenny has right, because he can don't trust Mike. In the End, Arvo shoot Clementine and Mike leaves Clementine... . So, I think Kenny is right.

    zykelator posted: »

    Yes, Kenny wouldnt hurt Clementine on purpose, but his action do hurt Clem indirectly (very much like ben getting Kennys family killed, beca

  • Kenny caused Mike (determinant Bonnie) to betray the group because of his stubborn attitude and how he treated Arvo.
    Arvo had a reason to shoot Clem (even though i think it was an accident), because Clementine shot her sister to the head (Arvo didnt know she was a walker).

    But Kenny has right, because he can don't trust Mike. In the End, Arvo shoot Clementine and Mike leaves Clementine... . So, I think Kenny is right.

  • Would you rather have your"friend" tell you shes leaving because she knows youll die soon, or tell you that you need help surviving,and stay?

    zykelator posted: »

    Jane left the group because she started to care about Clementine, and she didnt want to see her die. She came back because she heard the gun

  • She didnt want to get hurt, so she left Clementine. Its like choosing not dating, because you dont want to experience break up again.
    Jane however realized that she actually wants to be with Clementine and do her best to keep her alive.

    Would you rather have your"friend" tell you shes leaving because she knows youll die soon, or tell you that you need help surviving,and stay?

  • Yeah, but Kenny keeps putting Clementine in tough situations and danger, EVEN if his intentions were good.

    Iacoucci77 posted: »

    Yeah but don't you see Kenny would never just leave Clem. Well I guess Kenny was right when he called out Jane. "In the end still only care about yourself"

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