You know, I was willing to give her a chance 'till the end. She lied, manipulated Clem and got the last friend/protector she had killed. So yeah, fuck The Stra- I mean, Jane.
Never said he doesnt care about Clementine, i said he doesnt care about what Clementine thinks . He ignores Clem many times and gets mad if you dont agree with him.
Everything is risky in the Apocalytic world, wherever they go, whatever they do, whoever they meet, there's always a risk. She just never wa… morented to be a part of a group she said that herself. I didn't know it existed either. Or if it was logical to go there (after seeing Howe's). But it was hope that made me wanna go there anyway, because in such a world as TWD, it is one of the most vital elements for survival, without hope there's nothing to live for other than just trying to survive another day. In any case, I understand why she didnt' want to go there, but still she didn't have to do what she did, she could have just said "Ok, sorry but you are on your own, I'm outta here!" and nobody would have to die. Just my opinion.
That is your opinion. Jane wasn't any less violent and unstable person but I'm not going to start making a comparison since there are a lot of that in this thread already. And no offense but by the looks of your other posts you have a prejudice against Kenny and you will likely continue to praise Jane and her actions whatever I say in his defense.
In what has become a sea of "no you" (I've tried, but I suspect I have a small share in the blame for that), this post is great.
In my mind, you've perfectly struck upon both main character arcs for season 2 (overshadowing anyone else including Clem, really). Both are headed to redemption - Jane in the form of growth as a person (trust issues being alleviated), Kenny by knowing that Clem (and AJ) are safe (in some small way proving that he wasn't a horrible person - whether that's true or not is irrelevant), either in Wellington or with Jane (here speaking from Kenny's perspective, even if you do shoot him, hence the "you did the right thing" talk).
My wife and I were pro-Kenny from season 1. Although, even in season 1 you could tell he was something of a jerk. Still, his intentions we… morere nearly always good and he was willing to act.
When we saw Kenny in Season 2 we both smiled and our first response as Clem was [HUG]. Throughout the season, we kept defending Kenny to the others. Kenny has been through a lot, and his intentions were (nearly) always for the good of his 'family' (i.e. Clem and then AJ).
Still, it dawned on us as the Season went on, that Kenny was getting more and more out of control. He kept losing his temper and instigating arguments. Even worse, his temper always forced the arguments to become physically violent. His consistent beating of Arvo is just one example. Honestly, although we hated Carver ... Kenny's killing of Carver (in our opinion) was over-done and unnecessary. We, as Clem, said 'shoot him (Carver)'. Carver needed to die, and deserved to die.… [view original content]
To be fair to Kenny a few of his plans aren't completely brain-dead in concept. It's just that there's hardly anything but the most rudimentary outline of a plan.
As such it easily becomes more of a wishful goal, than an actual workable plan. And because of this it becomes quite hard to convince anyone else of the merits of said plan.
It's actually illustrated nicely by the escape plan, which as far as I recall was somewhat Kenny's idea, with all the details and actual planning worked out by everyone else. (I could be wrong about who came up with the idea, but that doesn't negate the point(s) made above)
* find a boat
* convince Lee to murder Ben
* help Ben
* kill Carvers men which Carver retaliates (repeats if not convinced to stop)
* tr… morey to rambo your way out of the truck
* bash Carvers skull in, costing them precious time
* plans to find Wellington and breaks the group because of this
* Murder Jane because AJ died for some reason
List of his stupid plans i remember.
1.if finding a boat is stupid,why should vernon try to rub that boat with his group and molly told lee that she couldn't
find a boat and if she could,she wouldn't be in savannah.i think molly was smarter than all of them.
2.do you think it was a plan???i told you about ben enough in the earlier posts.
3.he put himself in danger to save ben.i thought ben was a friend(we never leave friends behind,don't we??)
4.we didn't know carver well so it could be helpful but carver killed walter and i convinced kenny to stop that and he didn't get mad at clem.
5.when???
6.carver was dangrous and someone had to stop him,kenny did it and revenge never was a plan.
7.there was a high security shelter with lots of supplies,is that stupid????
at least it's better than going south,christa was agree with this plan too and it's considerable.
8.do you think it was a plan???if it was,i would shoot kenny twice
* find a boat
* convince Lee to murder Ben
* help Ben
* kill Carvers men which Carver retaliates (repeats if not convinced to stop)
* tr… morey to rambo your way out of the truck
* bash Carvers skull in, costing them precious time
* plans to find Wellington and breaks the group because of this
* Murder Jane because AJ died for some reason
List of his stupid plans i remember.
They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine. Only reason they found it was luck.
He planned to leave Ben behind, because there wasnt enough space in the boat. Getting him killed would get him his revenge.
Ben was dead already. Should have either let him there to die or shoot him before walkers surrounded him. And realisically, Kenny would have died there.
The fact that he is ready to shoot more people after Carver shoots Walter.
When they are being moved to Howe's in the truck, he gets himself free from ropes and wants to "punch the first person he sees, take his gun and shoot next person", while there are bunch of people aiming guns at them. Very stupid plan which would have gotten people killed, if it wasnt for the door.
Killing Carver i would have understanded. Carver was dead after like 3 hits but he kept destroying his face until it was gone. If thats not revenge, then nothing is.
They didnt know its exact location or if it even existed. They could have easily died from cold.
he decided to murder Jane because in his mind, Jane murdered AJ. He has acted on his delusional thoughts before also and hurt people.
1.if finding a boat is stupid,why should vernon try to rub that boat with his group and molly told lee that she couldn't
find a boat and if… more she could,she wouldn't be in savannah.i think molly was smarter than all of them.
2.do you think it was a plan???i told you about ben enough in the earlier posts.
3.he put himself in danger to save ben.i thought ben was a friend(we never leave friends behind,don't we??)
4.we didn't know carver well so it could be helpful but carver killed walter and i convinced kenny to stop that and he didn't get mad at clem.
5.when???
6.carver was dangrous and someone had to stop him,kenny did it and revenge never was a plan.
7.there was a high security shelter with lots of supplies,is that stupid????
at least it's better than going south,christa was agree with this plan too and it's considerable.
8.do you think it was a plan???if it was,i would shoot kenny twice
do you think these are plans???
.
They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine. Only reason they found it was luck.
Everyone in the group agred that it was stupid, but go looking was worth just in case.
He planned to leave Ben behind, because there wasnt enough space in the boat. Getting him killed would get him his revenge.
Nope, nope. He wanted to leave Ben behind, after he just confessed that the deaths of his family were his fault. What did you expect?
Ben was dead already. Should have either let him there to die or shoot him before walkers surrounded him. And realisically, Kenny would have died there.
He was trying to save him or a least give him a peaceful death. Also, him escaping was not that far fetched, considering there is a certain character in the walkind dead comics that survives in a gym infested with walkers for days just because he is badass like that.
The fact that he is ready to shoot more people after Carver shoots Walter.
He no reason to think Carver couldn´t just kill him if he gave himself out.1
When they are being moved to Howe's in the truck, he gets himself free from ropes and wants to "punch the first person he sees, take his gun and shoot next person", while there are bunch of people aiming guns at them. Very stupid plan which would have gotten people killed, if it wasnt for the door.
It was stupid, yes, but he had no reason to think Carver couldn´t execute them in front of his community to make a example out of them, so that the plan was stupid doesn´t change that the alternative was worse.
Killing Carver i would have understanded. Carver was dead after like 3 hits but he kept destroying his face until it was gone. If thats not revenge, then nothing is.
Is revenge a plan? Nope. Is revenge stupid? Nope.
They didnt know its exact location or if it even existed. They could have easily died from cold.
Michigan, and seeing that was a worldwide rumor then it was next to impossible that Wellington didn´t exist.
he decided to murder Jane because in his mind, Jane murdered AJ.
* They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine. … moreOnly reason they found it was luck.
* He planned to leave Ben behind, because there wasnt enough space in the boat. Getting him killed would get him his revenge.
* Ben was dead already. Should have either let him there to die or shoot him before walkers surrounded him. And realisically, Kenny would have died there.
* The fact that he is ready to shoot more people after Carver shoots Walter.
* When they are being moved to Howe's in the truck, he gets himself free from ropes and wants to "punch the first person he sees, take his gun and shoot next person", while there are bunch of people aiming guns at them. Very stupid plan which would have gotten people killed, if it wasnt for the door.
* Killing Carver i would have understanded. Carver was dead after like 3 hits but he kept destroying his face until… [view original content]
They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine. On… morely reason they found it was luck.
Everyone in the group agred that it was stupid, but go looking was worth just in case.
He planned to leave Ben behind, because there wasnt enough space in the boat. Getting him killed would get him his revenge.
Nope, nope. He wanted to leave Ben behind, after he just confessed that the deaths of his family were his fault. What did you expect?
Ben was dead already. Should have either let him there to die or shoot him before walkers surrounded him. And realisically, Kenny would have died there.
He was trying to save him or a least give him a peaceful death. Also, him escaping was not that far fetched, considering there is a certain character in the walkind dead comics that survives in a gym infested with walkers for days just because he i… [view original content]
My wife and I were pro-Kenny from season 1. Although, even in season 1 you could tell he was something of a jerk. Still, his intentions we… morere nearly always good and he was willing to act.
When we saw Kenny in Season 2 we both smiled and our first response as Clem was [HUG]. Throughout the season, we kept defending Kenny to the others. Kenny has been through a lot, and his intentions were (nearly) always for the good of his 'family' (i.e. Clem and then AJ).
Still, it dawned on us as the Season went on, that Kenny was getting more and more out of control. He kept losing his temper and instigating arguments. Even worse, his temper always forced the arguments to become physically violent. His consistent beating of Arvo is just one example. Honestly, although we hated Carver ... Kenny's killing of Carver (in our opinion) was over-done and unnecessary. We, as Clem, said 'shoot him (Carver)'. Carver needed to die, and deserved to die.… [view original content]
1.they didn't know that there is no boat in savannah,the boat was a plan from episode 1
2.it's not good reason for that,you are saying that you know what kenny thought.that's funny.
3.kenny was on the roof but he decided to help him as fast as he could and he didn't know what happened down there.
4.you could convince him,it's your choice
5.yeah that was stupid
6.actually it was revenge,kenny lost his eye
7.there was no way.south was dangerous(we saw that zombies got there)
8.jane was killed by her own knife,if there was no knife,she could be alive.kenny just wanted to punish her not killing her.she made a big mistake to make that situation.i could do nothing for her.i never shoot my friend just for a stupid mistake or something else.jane wasn't close enough to clem.we just have knew each other for 2 episedes(she didn't talk to clem in episode 3).but we knew kenny very well.if no one disturb him he wouldn't be angry.jane should trust clem about kenny.clem told her several times that he would be alright but jane didn't listen to her and made a stupid plan that lost her life for that.
* They try to find a boat after everyone in Savannah would have already taken all the boats. It was like digging gold from empty gold mine. … moreOnly reason they found it was luck.
* He planned to leave Ben behind, because there wasnt enough space in the boat. Getting him killed would get him his revenge.
* Ben was dead already. Should have either let him there to die or shoot him before walkers surrounded him. And realisically, Kenny would have died there.
* The fact that he is ready to shoot more people after Carver shoots Walter.
* When they are being moved to Howe's in the truck, he gets himself free from ropes and wants to "punch the first person he sees, take his gun and shoot next person", while there are bunch of people aiming guns at them. Very stupid plan which would have gotten people killed, if it wasnt for the door.
* Killing Carver i would have understanded. Carver was dead after like 3 hits but he kept destroying his face until… [view original content]
in that situation,i was ready to watch his mashed face because he f....ked with us.
yeah it's stupid and there in no rational reason for that.it had to be done
just remember what he did to walter,alvin,kenny,luke and......
well they should have. Very reasonable thing to assume.
the fact that Kenny is ready to let more people and repeat the mistake shows how stupid his plan was
time consuming and pointless to hit dead corpse
Kenny admited that he wouldnt have gone that far if he didnt think AJ was dead. He was planning to murder her from very begining. My clem didnt side with Kenny, so its determinant
1.they didn't know that there is no boat in savannah,the boat was a plan from episode 1
2.it's not good reason for that,you are saying that… more you know what kenny thought.that's funny.
3.kenny was on the roof but he decided to help him as fast as he could and he didn't know what happened down there.
4.you could convince him,it's your choice
5.yeah that was stupid
6.actually it was revenge,kenny lost his eye
7.there was no way.south was dangerous(we saw that zombies got there)
8.jane was killed by her own knife,if there was no knife,she could be alive.kenny just wanted to punish her not killing her.she made a big mistake to make that situation.i could do nothing for her.i never shoot my friend just for a stupid mistake or something else.jane wasn't close enough to clem.we just have knew each other for 2 episedes(she didn't talk to clem in episode 3).but we knew kenny very well.if no one disturb him he wouldn't be angry.jane should trust c… [view original content]
* well they should have. Very reasonable thing to assume.
* the fact that Kenny is ready to let more people and repeat the mistake shows ho… morew stupid his plan was
* time consuming and pointless to hit dead corpse
* Kenny admited that he wouldnt have gone that far if he didnt think AJ was dead. He was planning to murder her from very begining. My clem didnt side with Kenny, so its determinant
1.once you said that it's stupid now you're saying that's reasonabe.very well!!!!
2.what??let more people to do what???
3.revenge caused that
4.you have no evidence to say that he planned for murdering her and you know that very well
* reasonable thing was to assume there are no boats. Are you having trouble understanding?
* Let more people die...
* He says that in the game... Maybe you should play the game first?
* reasonable thing was to assume there are no boats. Are you having trouble understanding?
* Let more people die...
* He says that in the game... Maybe you should play the game first?
if you told me these first,i wouldn't make any conversation with you to convince you that you are wrong.
you're wrong about all of this a… morend you didn't get the point from the game
you're just jane lover and you think that you can forgive yourself for killing kenny
When Clementine trying save Alvin, then Carver take Clementine
After this, Kenny come and gives up to save Clementine
So, Kenny would never hurt Clementine, you can see that Kenny trying always to save Clementine
in Season 2 Episode 3, when Clementine has Walkie Talkie and Carver search the another Walkie Talkie, so you can see again that Kenny save Clementine from Carver, because Kenny lying to Carver that he has the Walkie Talkie and so Carver beats on Kenny's face and Kenny lost an Eye. This is sad.
Yes, Kenny wouldnt hurt Clementine on purpose, but his action do hurt Clem indirectly (very much like ben getting Kennys family killed, because of misjudgement)
Mike proposes that he takes the walkie talkie and even if Clementine agrees, Kenny forces Clementine to take the walkie talkie, so its Kennys fault that Clementine had the walkie talkie.
* Watch this video at 4:24 in YouTube:
* When Clementine trying save Alvin, then Carver take Clementine
* After this, Kenny come and give… mores up to save Clementine
So, Kenny would never hurt Clementine, you can see that Kenny trying always to save Clementine
* in Season 2 Episode 3, when Clementine has Walkie Talkie and Carver search the another Walkie Talkie, so you can see again that Kenny save Clementine from Carver, because Kenny lying to Carver that he has the Walkie Talkie and so Carver beats on Kenny's face and Kenny lost an Eye. This is sad.
* Kenny is a true Friend.
Yes, Kenny wouldnt hurt Clementine on purpose, but his action do hurt Clem indirectly (very much like ben getting Kennys family killed, beca… moreuse of misjudgement)
Mike proposes that he takes the walkie talkie and even if Clementine agrees, Kenny forces Clementine to take the walkie talkie, so its Kennys fault that Clementine had the walkie talkie.
Kenny caused Mike (determinant Bonnie) to betray the group because of his stubborn attitude and how he treated Arvo.
Arvo had a reason to shoot Clem (even though i think it was an accident), because Clementine shot her sister to the head (Arvo didnt know she was a walker).
Jane left the group because she started to care about Clementine, and she didnt want to see her die. She came back because she heard the gun… moreshots and she realized that she wanted to stay with Clementine and the group (but Clem was 90% of the reason she came back, like she says).
Even if you dont steal from Arvo, their group attacks you... You shoud play the game before you debate.
And like ive replied before, Jane risks her own life to save Clem and other group members more than once.
Could you please stop ignoring all that FACTS ive told you, which we can actually see it the game?
ps. Whats with this childish insult in the end?
She didnt want to get hurt, so she left Clementine. Its like choosing not dating, because you dont want to experience break up again.
Jane however realized that she actually wants to be with Clementine and do her best to keep her alive.
Yeah but don't you see Kenny would never just leave Clem. Well I guess Kenny was right when he called out Jane. "In the end still only care about yourself"
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You know, I was willing to give her a chance 'till the end. She lied, manipulated Clem and got the last friend/protector she had killed. So yeah, fuck The Stra- I mean, Jane.
i chose to agree with him so i didn't have any problem with him and i think he was right
our clems are different.
Well she cared about Clementine and didnt want to leave him with unstable and violent person like Kenny (and generally wanted to be with her).
Well thats irrelevant, because if you ever decide to disagree with his stupid plans, he gets mad at you.
Well, that´s like, your opinion man.
i never disagreed with him because he was right.
tell me one of his stupid plans
That is your opinion. Jane wasn't any less violent and unstable person but I'm not going to start making a comparison since there are a lot of that in this thread already. And no offense but by the looks of your other posts you have a prejudice against Kenny and you will likely continue to praise Jane and her actions whatever I say in his defense.
List of his stupid plans i remember.
I PREFER THIS ENDING:
Stay with Kenny and Leave Wellington in The Walking Dead Season 2 Episode 5 - No Going Back
BECAUSE,
I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
HE'S JUST ONE OF THOSE CHARACTERS WHO WILL BE WITH YOU, ALMOST TO THE END!
FOREVER KENNY AND CLEMENTINE.
I LOVE KENNY.
In what has become a sea of "no you" (I've tried, but I suspect I have a small share in the blame for that), this post is great.
In my mind, you've perfectly struck upon both main character arcs for season 2 (overshadowing anyone else including Clem, really). Both are headed to redemption - Jane in the form of growth as a person (trust issues being alleviated), Kenny by knowing that Clem (and AJ) are safe (in some small way proving that he wasn't a horrible person - whether that's true or not is irrelevant), either in Wellington or with Jane (here speaking from Kenny's perspective, even if you do shoot him, hence the "you did the right thing" talk).
To be fair to Kenny a few of his plans aren't completely brain-dead in concept. It's just that there's hardly anything but the most rudimentary outline of a plan.
As such it easily becomes more of a wishful goal, than an actual workable plan. And because of this it becomes quite hard to convince anyone else of the merits of said plan.
It's actually illustrated nicely by the escape plan, which as far as I recall was somewhat Kenny's idea, with all the details and actual planning worked out by everyone else. (I could be wrong about who came up with the idea, but that doesn't negate the point(s) made above)
1.if finding a boat is stupid,why should vernon try to rub that boat with his group and molly told lee that she couldn't
find a boat and if she could,she wouldn't be in savannah.i think molly was smarter than all of them.
2.do you think it was a plan???i told you about ben enough in the earlier posts.
3.he put himself in danger to save ben.i thought ben was a friend(we never leave friends behind,don't we??)
4.we didn't know carver well so it could be helpful but carver killed walter and i convinced kenny to stop that and he didn't get mad at clem.
5.when???
6.carver was dangrous and someone had to stop him,kenny did it and revenge never was a plan.
7.there was a high security shelter with lots of supplies,is that stupid????
at least it's better than going south,christa was agree with this plan too and it's considerable.
8.do you think it was a plan???if it was,i would shoot kenny twice
do you think these are plans???
.
Everyone in the group agred that it was stupid, but go looking was worth just in case.
Nope, nope. He wanted to leave Ben behind, after he just confessed that the deaths of his family were his fault. What did you expect?
He was trying to save him or a least give him a peaceful death. Also, him escaping was not that far fetched, considering there is a certain character in the walkind dead comics that survives in a gym infested with walkers for days just because he is badass like that.
He no reason to think Carver couldn´t just kill him if he gave himself out.1
It was stupid, yes, but he had no reason to think Carver couldn´t execute them in front of his community to make a example out of them, so that the plan was stupid doesn´t change that the alternative was worse.
Is revenge a plan? Nope. Is revenge stupid? Nope.
Michigan, and seeing that was a worldwide rumor then it was next to impossible that Wellington didn´t exist.
Is that a plan? Nope. Its rage.
Revenge is not stupid? Thats pretty stupid thing to say.
Well I totally agree with u. Great text
1.they didn't know that there is no boat in savannah,the boat was a plan from episode 1
2.it's not good reason for that,you are saying that you know what kenny thought.that's funny.
3.kenny was on the roof but he decided to help him as fast as he could and he didn't know what happened down there.
4.you could convince him,it's your choice
5.yeah that was stupid
6.actually it was revenge,kenny lost his eye
7.there was no way.south was dangerous(we saw that zombies got there)
8.jane was killed by her own knife,if there was no knife,she could be alive.kenny just wanted to punish her not killing her.she made a big mistake to make that situation.i could do nothing for her.i never shoot my friend just for a stupid mistake or something else.jane wasn't close enough to clem.we just have knew each other for 2 episedes(she didn't talk to clem in episode 3).but we knew kenny very well.if no one disturb him he wouldn't be angry.jane should trust clem about kenny.clem told her several times that he would be alright but jane didn't listen to her and made a stupid plan that lost her life for that.
Revenge is a natural human impulse, not stupid.
in that situation,i was ready to watch his mashed face because he f....ked with us.
yeah it's stupid and there in no rational reason for that.it had to be done
just remember what he did to walter,alvin,kenny,luke and......
Kenny caused the death of Walter and could have caused death of Alvin.
how kenny should know that carver would kill walter???
No, No, No!
Look from this website:
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Video_Game_Statistics
It's saying that:
Survivalism: Shot Kenny?
Shot Kenny - 49.2%
Looked away/Didn't pick up the gun - 52.9%
and
Friendship: In the end, who are you with?
With AJ, Jane, and the Family - 25.8%
Alone with AJ - 22.7%
With AJ at Wellington - 16.6%
With AJ, and Kenny- 29.9%
With AJ and Jane - 10.4%
So many people stay with AJ and Kenny!
Kenny, he's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
Love Kenny.
1.once you said that it's stupid now you're saying that's reasonabe.very well!!!!
2.what??let more people to do what???
3.revenge caused that
4.you have no evidence to say that he planned for murdering her and you know that very well
Wow! That's so cool!
I Love it!
Kenny, he's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
Love Kenny.
Let more people die...
He says that in the game... Maybe you should play the game first?
I hate Jane, Jane is sneaky.
And Kenny, he's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
Love Kenny!
I hate Kenny, he is violent, unstable, stubborn, arrogant, irrational and racist.
Not to the people he cares for.
Because being pushed over the edge by Jane totally makes him unestable. Whatever.
And?
Nope.
That´s your opinion.
Nope.
yeahhh,you are just jane lover,nothing else.
your sentences come from 10 years old kid.
i asked you to tell me what was the plans that clem could ignore them,then you told me about foolish reasons that proved nothing.
i finished the game when your device was searching for new updates for twd and i didn't hear it from kenny.
don't be a liar like jane
if you told me these first,i wouldn't make any conversation with you to convince you that you are wrong.
you're wrong about all of this and you didn't get the point from the game
you're just jane lover and you think that you can forgive yourself for killing kenny
Forgive myself for killing Kenny? What is there to forgive?
So, Kenny would never hurt Clementine, you can see that Kenny trying always to save Clementine
in Season 2 Episode 3, when Clementine has Walkie Talkie and Carver search the another Walkie Talkie, so you can see again that Kenny save Clementine from Carver, because Kenny lying to Carver that he has the Walkie Talkie and so Carver beats on Kenny's face and Kenny lost an Eye. This is sad.
Kenny is a true Friend.
it's your choice.
i said what i could say,the conversation goes no where.
Yes, Kenny wouldnt hurt Clementine on purpose, but his action do hurt Clem indirectly (very much like ben getting Kennys family killed, because of misjudgement)
Mike proposes that he takes the walkie talkie and even if Clementine agrees, Kenny forces Clementine to take the walkie talkie, so its Kennys fault that Clementine had the walkie talkie.
But Kenny has right, because he can don't trust Mike. In the End, Arvo shoot Clementine and Mike leaves Clementine... . So, I think Kenny is right.
Kenny caused Mike (determinant Bonnie) to betray the group because of his stubborn attitude and how he treated Arvo.
Arvo had a reason to shoot Clem (even though i think it was an accident), because Clementine shot her sister to the head (Arvo didnt know she was a walker).
Would you rather have your"friend" tell you shes leaving because she knows youll die soon, or tell you that you need help surviving,and stay?
She didnt want to get hurt, so she left Clementine. Its like choosing not dating, because you dont want to experience break up again.
Jane however realized that she actually wants to be with Clementine and do her best to keep her alive.
Yeah, but Kenny keeps putting Clementine in tough situations and danger, EVEN if his intentions were good.