So I guess the Kenny haters condone what Jane did?

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  • edited September 2014

    Yes I am serious

    Lol.

    Kenny never cares about Clem during season 1

    That we are never show their interactions in season 1 doesn´t mean Kenny does not care about her.

    Kenny: "We are getting that little girl back, with or withouth you." (And no, this line of dialogue is not determinant)

    but we can't ever act on it.

    Okay, I give you that.

    He should've protected Duck, Katjaa and Sarita - but he failed massively.

    You are heartless. No, seriously, you are. How the hell can you say that? Duck was bitten in the bandid attack, Katjaa killed herself and he lost sign of Sarita in the walker herd. What the hell could he have done, genius?

    Jane protected her sister for months, until she couldn't do anything to protect her, because her sister wouldn't do the tiniest thing to protect herself.

    Of course, is perfectly okay for Jane to give up of her sister and tell her 'You can have what you want' before letting her be eaten alive, but Kenny fails massively. Sure, whatever.

    Jane also saves the group from the Arvo peeps

    Is her fucking fault in the first place.

    find some food for the baby you claim to care about

    'Hur dur dur Kenny thought Wellington was better and a more long therm solution for the baby instead of going back to Howe´s, and Howe´s is a fucking mess but I going to ignore that anyway, so he is eViL'

    he yelled at me to stop embarrassing him, he yelled at an 11 year old girl to stop embarrassing him,

    Do i have to tell you the laundry list of shit he had pilled up on him just in this season or you can figure out that for yourself? Do I have to tell you that he was felling hurt and betrayed because he was doing the looking for Wellington thing for Clem in the first place?

    What happens next time I embarrass him?

    N.O.T.H.I.N.G.

    Eguro posted: »

    Yes I am serious. Kenny never cares about Clem during season 1 - albeit determinately, but he didn't come to rescue her at the end, so he

  • edited September 2014

    Well this certainly factored in to my decision making. Only a small part though - the joy of shooting Kenny was reward enough in itself.

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    Eguro posted: »

    to shoot Kenny to make sure he does not come back for season 3. Well this certainly factored in to my decision making. Only a small part though - the joy of shooting Kenny was reward enough in itself.

  • The Walking Dead Season 1 Episode 1 - In the Drugstore:

    Kenny: Lee, you got a second?

    Lee: Sure.

    Kenny: Back on Hershel's farm...

    Lee: Yeah?

    Kenny: I panicked, you know. I'm not proud of it.

    Lee: It happens.

    Kenny: I guess, but I can't stop seeing him in my head.

    Lee: Yeah, that's...rough.

    Kenny: I killed that boy. We could've saved him together.

    Lee: You didn't have a choice.

    Kenny: ...

    Lee: You think you do, when you think back on it. But in a moment? When things are really out of control? You don't have any choice.

    Kenny: I guess.

    Lee: Try to let it go.

    Kenny will remember your loyalty.

    Kenny talks about it with Lee. Kenny knows what he has done, he feels guilty. I think it's great, that Kenny is honest with Lee.

    If Kenny forgives Ben, I think Hershel Greene has forgiven to Kenny. Both have lost their sons.

    tntlee2099 posted: »

    Oh, Kenny is such a great guy. Let's see.....in season 1 when you can choose to save Duck or Hershel's son, no matter what you pick, Kenny d

  • edited September 2014

    Second, if you leave with Kenny he has Clem to help him take care of AJ.

    Once again I'm sure he would go crazy trying to take care of a baby in a world full of zombies. Even in a group babies would still make living complicated and frustrating. Which are two things Kenny ain't good at dealing with.

    This is you saying: I can´t make proper arguments so I will spit out baseless shit.

    You mean to tell me that Kenny beating up Arvo didn't send off at least one alarm? If he'll beat up a crippled kid.......what's to keep him from harming Clem? Oh right he cares for her. I couldn't tell when he went off on her and refused to help Lee find her.

    Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?

    Yes........ANYONE WOULD. When you're living in a world with zombies who are attracted to sound a baby is a serious safety hazard.

    Kenny is not violent to those he cares about.

    LIES! He fought Lee and he lashed out on Clem.

    he had reasons for hitting Arvo that I have already explained in practically every thread.

    What ever twisted explanation you manage to concoct inside your sick psyche screw it! There's no explaining that. Kenny simply lost it because he can't handle "disrespect". ISIS have their reason for attacking Gaza but does that make it right? Simply because one has a reason?

    he thougth Jane had killed AJ.

    He had nothing to prove that. He jumped to conclusions. Jane never said the baby died.

    read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want.

    Screw you.

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    He's not a danger to Clem now. But who knows what could happen later on. This is you saying: I can´t make proper arguments so I will

  • Firstly Jane created the fight by making up a scenario, which would make most people do what Kenny did. I mean really, if someone who had been against this baby all along (she even implied to Becca that she should just get rid of it) then came up to you, and implied the baby was dead. First thought would be she killed it. The "He's..." confirms it.
    Would you really just let it go? Move on? Not react?
    Lets look at the fight shall we?

    "Where is he Jane?..."
    "He's...
    "What are you saying? No....NO!"
    Kenny runs off
    "No, not again,not again..."
    "Clem, no matter what - just stay out of it"
    "Stay out of what?"
    "You gotta trust me, youre gonna see what he really is."
    Kenny comes back
    "How could you kill a fucking child?!" takes swing
    "I didnt kill him, it was an accident Kenny!" Pulls knife "I wont back down from you Kenny"
    "Shut up!"
    "Clem, stay back"
    Jane puts knife away "Dont you come near me you son of a bitch!"
    Kenny pins Jane, reaches for knife
    Kenny ends up on ground, Jane pounces. If Clem pulls her off as soon as Kenny stands she tries to gut him. strong text Jane tries to Kill Kenny firststrong text
    Jane to Kenny "This is all your fucking fault!"
    "You piece of shit!"
    *Jane swings with the knife again - aiming for another kill stroke - the neck area

    Kenny blocks, goes down. Jane shove fingers in eye sockett
    "Hows that fucking feel, huh?"
    "Hes had enough!! LISTEN TO ME!" Jane doesnt stop
    "Get her off!"
    Clem pulls Jane off, Kenny goes for knife. Stabs her in leg strong text not a lethal attackstrong text Clem falls
    "You fucking baby killer!"
    "I didnt!"
    *Kenny has Jane pinned, knife at chest

    "I'll fucking kill you!"
    "I knew you would!"

    Jane instigated the fight...she wanted to show Clem that he was willing to kill someone. However IMO she got it wrong. She showed from the start clear intent to kill or maim him, far more than he did. AT ANY POINT she could have ended it, and said "AJ's alive" Especially when he had her pinned right at the end, about to kill her Instead, she continues the ruse "I knew you would..." Why didnt she say "Stop! Hes alive ok, He alive Kenny!" He would have stopped. He'd be pissed as hell, she'd tried to gut him and shoved her fingers in his eye socket. But he'd keep her alive because he'd want to know where the kid was. She'd have to prove it to him.
    He'd more than likely leave her behind after...tie her up and leave her to the zombies, maybe. But he wouldnt outright kill her knowing the kid was safe. That was his only reason for killing her. He had never killed someone on his team before, he had never willingly put someone in danger who was on his team.
    Even Ben, who he wished dead after causing the death of his entire family (again, a perfectly normal, human reaction) He still put his life on the line to save "That fucking shitbird Ben"
    Yes he disagreed with people, and he was very vocal in letting people know how he felt, but he'd still side with his group, even if he disagreed. He'd sulk like hell about it, and take offence that you didnt side with him. But again. Hes human!
    If mommy and daddy fight, and you pick a side, youre going to hurt one of them. Theyre going to be upset, and probably pissed off that you didnt side with them. No difference here at all!

    The anti Kenny people have 2 main arguments against him.
    1/ Hes volatile and dangerous... Hell yes hes volatile! Stress can do that to people. But dangerous? Kenny is fiercely protective of his allies, and would die for them (Ben) He would go even further for those he cares about. IMO thats one of the best human traits anyone can have. Protect the ones you love. At any cost.

    2/ He turns against you if you disagree with him... yeah, sometimes. Not always, he'll always react - hes never happy about it. But would you be? But he doesn't always leave you out to dry for disagreeing with him.
    The funny thing is, it that is exactly what the anti Kenny folks do. He has an opinion different to theirs, and they hate him when he disagrees!

    Kenny is not a bad guy. He was a million miles away from becoming someone like Carver, he LOVED Clem, and would do anything to protect her. Anything.
    If you take the leave Kenny option at Wellington you know that.
    I didnt, I stayed with him. Because I feel the only way my Clem will survive long in this world, is with people who would lay down their lives for her. People like Lee. People like Kenny.

    prink34320 posted: »

    If you were being pinned to a glass frame and possible being choked, wouldn't you use a weapon if you had one? You wouldn't know what you'd

  • Once again I'm sure he would go crazy trying to take care of a baby in a world full of zombies. Even in a group babies would still make living complicated and frustrating. Which are two things Kenny ain't good at dealing with.

    Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway.

    You mean to tell me that Kenny beating up Arvo didn't send off at least one alarm?

    Lol, nope.

    I couldn't tell when he went off on her and refused to help Lee find her.

    First of all, Clem had just caused the death of his wife. Second, refusing to help Lee find her is not only determinant but reasonable. If Lee´s doesn´t back it up in a grey morality choice, he fells distrusfull of him and guilty. Besides, his actitude quickly changes.
    "We are going to get that littel girl back, with or without you."

    Yes........ANYONE WOULD. When you're living in a world with zombies who are attracted to sound a baby is a serious safety hazard.

    Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway.

    LIES! He fought Lee and he lashed out on Clem.

    First of all, figthing with Lee is determinant and even in that case, Lee is the one that stars him. Besides, pulling a example when his son was as good as death and Kenny knew and it was heating up at him is unreasonable, stupid. What could you have done? And second, he lashes out at Clem after she causes the death of Sarita, genius. And besides, screaming is not being violent.

    Kenny simply lost it because he can't handle "disrespect".

    Lol, nope. To Kenny, Arvo is like Carver, just another bad guy. So he deserves it. Besides, did you forget that Arvo leaded its group to Clem´s group, caused the gun figth with them, and played a part in the death of Luke?

    He had nothing to prove that.

    It was plausible. First of all, Kenny knew Jane had that mentally, that others only drag you down. Second, he knew she was hostile to him. Third, she was not hurt in any way despite losing the child.

    Jane never said the baby died.

    Jane(souding like she is about to cry): He is...

    Kenny: What are you saying, what do you mean?... No, no, no.

    later.

    Jane: I didn´t kill him, it was a accident Kenny. (That is Jane confirming that AJ was death, in case you don´t get it)

    Screw you.

    I am sure the truth hurts, but don´t be like that.

    OmegaTise posted: »

    Second, if you leave with Kenny he has Clem to help him take care of AJ. Once again I'm sure he would go crazy trying to take care o

  • But by showing what he was capable of, killing someone in the heat of the moment. She sis the same thing. Infact hers was worse. Hers was premeditated.

    zykelator posted: »

    That was the whole fucking point... She wanted Clem to see what Kenny is capable of and that it isnt safe to be around him.

  • Thanks :-)

    Spot on. Take this like right now.

  • Are you forgetting what he did to the St Johns?

    Eguro posted: »

    Barring the fact that if it had been Lee instead of Kenny things never would have progressed to this state (on account of Lee not being a st

  • You can forgive a maniuplative murderer? Okay....

    Eguro posted: »

    I choose to forgive her as well. I think that's the moment when Jane comes full circle, and has returned to a more normal state, one where s

  • How many bodies has Kenny created? List them for me please.... how many has he purposefully gotten killed? Yes people have died because of his mistakes. As have they all....even Clementine "Sometimes people die because of me..."
    Honestly, I want to know. Because I cant think of one.
    And we can't count Larry. That guy was dead.

    Rockworm posted: »

    I wonder how many bodies Kenny is allowed before she's proven right. Trick question. Its Kenny he's allowed as many bodies as he wants.

  • Who else has he killed, other than Carver?

    prink34320 posted: »

    I know the feeling, I just couldn't let Kenny kill someone, I don't think he would've gotten better if he killed someone else.

  • Clementine: You're right. Opens door, lets walkers in

  • This was nothing to do with bullying....seriously. Who can blame Kenny if hes pissed at you for constantly siding against him.
    If someone sided against me all the time, Id be pissed at them too! Almost anyone would!

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    She already proved what she wanted to prove by that point, continuing the fight was unnecessary. Also running past Kenny towards the car and

  • List the deaths Kenny caused please

    zykelator posted: »

    Carver, very much like kenny, didnt act rationally. They were maniac dictators. Carver killed a man for silly mistake which wasnt even that

  • List them please

    zykelator posted: »

    Kenny got more people killed than Jane... Get your facts straight

  • Larry....a dead guy who was about to reanimate
    Ben....who he risked his life to save
    Arvo....who he smacked around after he almost got the entire group killed

    Youre telling me that
    A/ You'd rather deal with a walker, in a locked room, with no weapons
    B/ Would not be angry at someone who caused the death of your entire family
    C/ Would be fine with a guy who tried to get you all killed.

    Ok then!

    Rockworm posted: »

    Larry, Ben, Arvo No those don't count. Kenny's a fluffy puppy who never hurts anyone.

  • I still have yet to hear how Kenny puts everyone in danger. Its all I keep seeing, hes a danger. Hes racking up bodies all over the place. Hes crazy...

    I want someone to tell me what the crazy stuff is he says
    And how he puts them in danger.

    What he says may be unsavoury, but its always made sense. And hes not violent towards his own. He might shout, but thats being angry. Not violent.

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    The problem with saying this: The problem is that you missed that I put a (determinantly) in there, you know. thinking (determinantl

  • applauds

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    Yes I am serious Lol. Kenny never cares about Clem during season 1 That we are never show their interactions in season

  • Tell me about it....Im seriously considering walking from this group. If they cant prove you wrong, youre insulted. Ive never seen so many unreasonable, nasty, unpleasant people in one place before.

    Belan posted: »

    Seriously, I can't go every other discussion without someone blindly insulting my intelligence or implying that I'm too biased to reason with. Its so annoying.

  • Well since the cabin group BROKE UP HIS WHOLE FUCKING GROUP AFTER THEY GOT THEM ALL KILLED I dont quite see how Kenny breaks up groups...

    remorse667 posted: »

    Well, If Kenny appeared as some badass lone wolf instead of a raging asshole that breaks apart groups, then yes, I would shoot Jane.

  • No I dont. I see her in a bad light in the last 30 minutes of the game

    Rockworm posted: »

    Exactly... Jane "haters" have lost all credibility to me. They will always see Jane in a bad light, no matter what actually happens in the game. God do you guys even read what you type? the hypocrisy is pathetic.

  • He was violent to his enemies. Thats fine with me, he wasnt violent to anyone in the group.

    KCohere posted: »

    No, I'm not. But its not the same as being violent to the point where you scare everyone in your group off.

  • edited September 2014

    No, the ability to manipluale someone so well, then shoot his dick off and leave him to the walkers is what disturbs me.
    Get out of there, fine.
    Kill him, no problem.
    But to do that...to let him die that way....thats pretty fucking messed up!

    psu_eddie posted: »

    So wait, you're saying the prisoner (Jane) was the bad person and not Troy? Really? She was trying to escape and she used what she could to

  • Jane also shoves Clem if you tell her to back off

    Rockworm posted: »

    And... If you tell Kenny to back off he shoves you aside and says "No the time for talk is over I'm going to kill this bitch" he wants to kill Jane.

  • How...what does he say and do?

    Rockworm posted: »

    His actions even back in season 1 prove you wrong. Acts like a mad man... talks like a mad man... Its ok its just Kenny!

  • Amen!

    Aquell posted: »

    You are absolutely right. Jane was always thinking herself first and others second. Kenny was always thinking others first and it showed alr

  • \they werent dead when she intergrated herself into the group. Whos to say Carver didnt ask her to?

    Rockworm posted: »

    That makes literally no fucking sense whatsoever. She's a mole for a group of corpses?

  • He was angry at Ben, didnt take him long to get back to normal and sacrifice himself for the kid...

    psu_eddie posted: »

    Kenny wanted Lee to leave several people for dead. Ben and Omid in Season 1 come to mind.

  • Wow....you must have had a lot of fights to the death in your playthrough!
    He reached that breaking point once, and once only

    Rockworm posted: »

    Funny how he reached that "breaking point" a lot.

  • It amazes me that people have issues with Kenny disagreeing with the group. After all its not his group. This group got hi group killed. Hes with them because he has no choice, not because he wants to be, and people are surprised that hes angry?
    Shouting is neither violence or madness
    Having an opinion different to others is neither violence or madness
    Being angry at your situation is neither violence or madness
    I dont get how people dont see this. Under different circumstances, Kenny and Luke may well have been as close as he and Lee were, but circumstances change.

    Iacoucci77 posted: »

    How would you feel if you were Kenny. To have your wife kill her self and your son turn into a walker! Then yo risk your life trying to save

  • As someone who attempted suicide 16 years ago, there are people who help you regardless, and people who dont know how to deal with you, try and help and either succeed or fail. And people who dont know how to handle you and dont try.
    I dont know which one Jane was, but maybe all her sister needed was a different approach that day

    zykelator posted: »

    Her little sister was suicidal for months. Nothing she could have done to keep her alive.

  • Thank you :-)

    Dubz13 posted: »

    "You seemed to forget when Jane was about to shoot innocent Arvo on the deck, until you stopped her! Then she puts a gun to his head and threatens him" ALL jane lovers just got OWNED

  • Im not a fan of murder either, but if someone kills a baby, I believe they deserve the death penalty

    Rockworm posted: »

    Condone? No... Understand yes... Agree? Not at all. Not a "Kenny hater" either but I'm also not a big fan of murder. So I'm kind of strange like that.

  • You know, thanks for letting me remember that. The Kenny, Hershel and Hershel's son situation is similar to the Jane, Kenny and AJ.
    Except that Hershel had proof that his son got killed thanks to Kenny (Kenny didn't have any proof of Jane killing AJ), yet he doesn't try to beat the shit out of kenny.

    The Walking Dead Season 1 Episode 1 - In the Drugstore: Kenny: Lee, you got a second? Lee: Sure. Kenny: Back on Hershel's farm...

  • Brilliant :-)

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    The ending in which you kill Kenny doesn´t hold any weight. He can be either a depressed man that just got shot by what he considers his fos

    1. Shawn

    2. Larry

    3. Ben (determinant, indirect, out of mercy)

    4. Walter

    5. Alvin (determinant)

    6. Lee (indirect)

    7. The stranger

    8. The Strangers wife

    9. The Strangers daughter

    10. Rebecca (indirect)

    11. Jane (determinant)

    ALIENANGIE posted: »

    List the deaths Kenny caused please

  • There were walkers going after them and she couldnt hold them back. She didnt have time for different approach.

    ALIENANGIE posted: »

    As someone who attempted suicide 16 years ago, there are people who help you regardless, and people who dont know how to deal with you, try

  • edited September 2014

    Kenny doesn't need any proof of Jane killing AJ, because Jane has hinted, that AJ is dead.

    You know, thanks for letting me remember that. The Kenny, Hershel and Hershel's son situation is similar to the Jane, Kenny and AJ. Except

  • Yet you have no evidence to prove that her plan was to kill Kenny right from the start.

    ALIENANGIE posted: »

    But by showing what he was capable of, killing someone in the heat of the moment. She sis the same thing. Infact hers was worse. Hers was premeditated.

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