That we are never show their interactions in season 1 doesn´t mean Kenny does not care about her.
Kenny: "We are getting that little girl back, with or withouth you." (And no, this line of dialogue is not determinant)
but we can't ever act on it.
Okay, I give you that.
He should've protected Duck, Katjaa and Sarita - but he failed massively.
You are heartless. No, seriously, you are. How the hell can you say that? Duck was bitten in the bandid attack, Katjaa killed herself and he lost sign of Sarita in the walker herd. What the hell could he have done, genius?
Jane protected her sister for months, until she couldn't do anything to protect her, because her sister wouldn't do the tiniest thing to protect herself.
Of course, is perfectly okay for Jane to give up of her sister and tell her 'You can have what you want' before letting her be eaten alive, but Kenny fails massively. Sure, whatever.
Jane also saves the group from the Arvo peeps
Is her fucking fault in the first place.
find some food for the baby you claim to care about
'Hur dur dur Kenny thought Wellington was better and a more long therm solution for the baby instead of going back to Howe´s, and Howe´s is a fucking mess but I going to ignore that anyway, so he is eViL'
he yelled at me to stop embarrassing him, he yelled at an 11 year old girl to stop embarrassing him,
Do i have to tell you the laundry list of shit he had pilled up on him just in this season or you can figure out that for yourself? Do I have to tell you that he was felling hurt and betrayed because he was doing the looking for Wellington thing for Clem in the first place?
Yes I am serious.
Kenny never cares about Clem during season 1 - albeit determinately, but he didn't come to rescue her at the end, so he… more can fuck off.
Sure we can express a dislike for Kenny - but we can't ever act on it. We can't say "Fuck you Kenny. Leave me alone you selfish prick" - because if we could, then we couldn't get to this ending.
And Kenny isn't better at protecting than Jane. He should've protected Duck, Katjaa and Sarita - but he failed massively.
Jane protected her sister for months, until she couldn't do anything to protect her, because her sister wouldn't do the tiniest thing to protect herself. Jane also saves the group from the Arvo peeps. And she saves Clem and Rebecca in the herd.
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to shoot Kenny to make sure he does not come back for season 3.
Well this certainly factored in to my decision making. Only a small part though - the joy of shooting Kenny was reward enough in itself.
Oh, Kenny is such a great guy. Let's see.....in season 1 when you can choose to save Duck or Hershel's son, no matter what you pick, Kenny d… moreoes not come back to help you. Kenny is automatically an asshole upon going into the store/pharmacy. Always arguing with Lily. Kills her father, without letting Lee and Lily try to revive him first. Knows his son is dying but instead of spending what time Duck does have with his wife and son, he decides to distance himself from them and "drive" the train. He doesn't want Lee to help Ben, just let him die. Then he gets the boat suggestion and that is all he wants, he doesn't listen anyone else's ideas.
Season 2 besides from not liking Luke,Nick, Jane and Mike at the very start, he also is an asshole to Clem if you do not agree with him all the time. He snaps then later it is all "Oh Clem, I'm sorry." He went off the deep end in season 1 and continued to slide and be a jerk in season 2. I was glad when I was able to put him down.
Second, if you leave with Kenny he has Clem to help him take care of AJ.
Once again I'm sure he would go crazy trying to take care of a baby in a world full of zombies. Even in a group babies would still make living complicated and frustrating. Which are two things Kenny ain't good at dealing with.
This is you saying: I can´t make proper arguments so I will spit out baseless shit.
You mean to tell me that Kenny beating up Arvo didn't send off at least one alarm? If he'll beat up a crippled kid.......what's to keep him from harming Clem? Oh right he cares for her. I couldn't tell when he went off on her and refused to help Lee find her.
Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?
Yes........ANYONE WOULD. When you're living in a world with zombies who are attracted to sound a baby is a serious safety hazard.
Kenny is not violent to those he cares about.
LIES! He fought Lee and he lashed out on Clem.
he had reasons for hitting Arvo that I have already explained in practically every thread.
What ever twisted explanation you manage to concoct inside your sick psyche screw it! There's no explaining that. Kenny simply lost it because he can't handle "disrespect". ISIS have their reason for attacking Gaza but does that make it right? Simply because one has a reason?
he thougth Jane had killed AJ.
He had nothing to prove that. He jumped to conclusions. Jane never said the baby died.
read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want.
He's not a danger to Clem now. But who knows what could happen later on.
This is you saying: I can´t make proper arguments so I will… more spit out baseless shit.
I'm sure Kenny would go crazy trying to take of Aj.
dafuq? Are you serious? First of all, if Clem stays am Wellington he doesn´t have to take care of AJ, because AJ is with Clem. Second, if you leave with Kenny he has Clem to help him take care of AJ.
Taking care of a baby ain't easy. Imagine trying to do it in an with zombies around.
And? Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?
Spoiler alert: nope, nope.
Yes Kenny is violent. Did you not see him beat up a crippled kid? Did you not see him attack Jane? The man is dangerous.
First of all, Kenny is not violent to those he cares about. Second, he had reasons for hitting Arvo that I have already explained in practically every thread. Third, he thougth Jane had killed AJ. Four, read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want.
Firstly Jane created the fight by making up a scenario, which would make most people do what Kenny did. I mean really, if someone who had been against this baby all along (she even implied to Becca that she should just get rid of it) then came up to you, and implied the baby was dead. First thought would be she killed it. The "He's..." confirms it.
Would you really just let it go? Move on? Not react?
Lets look at the fight shall we?
"Where is he Jane?..."
"He's...
"What are you saying? No....NO!" Kenny runs off
"No, not again,not again..."
"Clem, no matter what - just stay out of it"
"Stay out of what?"
"You gotta trust me, youre gonna see what he really is." Kenny comes back
"How could you kill a fucking child?!" takes swing
"I didnt kill him, it was an accident Kenny!" Pulls knife "I wont back down from you Kenny"
"Shut up!"
"Clem, stay back" Jane puts knife away "Dont you come near me you son of a bitch!" Kenny pins Jane, reaches for knife Kenny ends up on ground, Jane pounces. If Clem pulls her off as soon as Kenny stands she tries to gut him. strong text Jane tries to Kill Kenny firststrong text
Jane to Kenny "This is all your fucking fault!"
"You piece of shit!"
*Jane swings with the knife again - aiming for another kill stroke - the neck area Kenny blocks, goes down. Jane shove fingers in eye sockett
"Hows that fucking feel, huh?"
"Hes had enough!! LISTEN TO ME!" Jane doesnt stop
"Get her off!" Clem pulls Jane off, Kenny goes for knife. Stabs her in leg strong text not a lethal attackstrong text Clem falls
"You fucking baby killer!"
"I didnt!"
*Kenny has Jane pinned, knife at chest
"I'll fucking kill you!"
"I knew you would!"
Jane instigated the fight...she wanted to show Clem that he was willing to kill someone. However IMO she got it wrong. She showed from the start clear intent to kill or maim him, far more than he did. AT ANY POINT she could have ended it, and said "AJ's alive" Especially when he had her pinned right at the end, about to kill her Instead, she continues the ruse "I knew you would..." Why didnt she say "Stop! Hes alive ok, He alive Kenny!" He would have stopped. He'd be pissed as hell, she'd tried to gut him and shoved her fingers in his eye socket. But he'd keep her alive because he'd want to know where the kid was. She'd have to prove it to him.
He'd more than likely leave her behind after...tie her up and leave her to the zombies, maybe. But he wouldnt outright kill her knowing the kid was safe. That was his only reason for killing her. He had never killed someone on his team before, he had never willingly put someone in danger who was on his team.
Even Ben, who he wished dead after causing the death of his entire family (again, a perfectly normal, human reaction) He still put his life on the line to save "That fucking shitbird Ben"
Yes he disagreed with people, and he was very vocal in letting people know how he felt, but he'd still side with his group, even if he disagreed. He'd sulk like hell about it, and take offence that you didnt side with him. But again. Hes human!
If mommy and daddy fight, and you pick a side, youre going to hurt one of them. Theyre going to be upset, and probably pissed off that you didnt side with them. No difference here at all!
The anti Kenny people have 2 main arguments against him.
1/ Hes volatile and dangerous... Hell yes hes volatile! Stress can do that to people. But dangerous? Kenny is fiercely protective of his allies, and would die for them (Ben) He would go even further for those he cares about. IMO thats one of the best human traits anyone can have. Protect the ones you love. At any cost.
2/ He turns against you if you disagree with him... yeah, sometimes. Not always, he'll always react - hes never happy about it. But would you be? But he doesn't always leave you out to dry for disagreeing with him.
The funny thing is, it that is exactly what the anti Kenny folks do. He has an opinion different to theirs, and they hate him when he disagrees!
Kenny is not a bad guy. He was a million miles away from becoming someone like Carver, he LOVED Clem, and would do anything to protect her. Anything.
If you take the leave Kenny option at Wellington you know that.
I didnt, I stayed with him. Because I feel the only way my Clem will survive long in this world, is with people who would lay down their lives for her. People like Lee. People like Kenny.
If you were being pinned to a glass frame and possible being choked, wouldn't you use a weapon if you had one? You wouldn't know what you'd … moredo unless you actually get into the exact same situation. So you're saying that just because one used a weapon that the fight couldn't have been ended? Either of them could've tried to end the fight, but obviously neither of them refused to do so. Daryl got shot in the head by Andrea, how did he react? You think either Jane or Kenny wanted to do so? They both try to tell Clementine that they never meant for the other to get killed. There're no mistakes in a decision if you think before you act, at least not for me. I actually see your points and understand them, but I can't agree when you automatically seem to think that Kenny is the better individual, without thinking of Jane's experiences and possible intentions.
Once again I'm sure he would go crazy trying to take care of a baby in a world full of zombies. Even in a group babies would still make living complicated and frustrating. Which are two things Kenny ain't good at dealing with.
Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway.
You mean to tell me that Kenny beating up Arvo didn't send off at least one alarm?
Lol, nope.
I couldn't tell when he went off on her and refused to help Lee find her.
First of all, Clem had just caused the death of his wife. Second, refusing to help Lee find her is not only determinant but reasonable. If Lee´s doesn´t back it up in a grey morality choice, he fells distrusfull of him and guilty. Besides, his actitude quickly changes.
"We are going to get that littel girl back, with or without you."
Yes........ANYONE WOULD. When you're living in a world with zombies who are attracted to sound a baby is a serious safety hazard.
Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway.
LIES! He fought Lee and he lashed out on Clem.
First of all, figthing with Lee is determinant and even in that case, Lee is the one that stars him. Besides, pulling a example when his son was as good as death and Kenny knew and it was heating up at him is unreasonable, stupid. What could you have done? And second, he lashes out at Clem after she causes the death of Sarita, genius. And besides, screaming is not being violent.
Kenny simply lost it because he can't handle "disrespect".
Lol, nope. To Kenny, Arvo is like Carver, just another bad guy. So he deserves it. Besides, did you forget that Arvo leaded its group to Clem´s group, caused the gun figth with them, and played a part in the death of Luke?
He had nothing to prove that.
It was plausible. First of all, Kenny knew Jane had that mentally, that others only drag you down. Second, he knew she was hostile to him. Third, she was not hurt in any way despite losing the child.
Jane never said the baby died.
Jane(souding like she is about to cry): He is...
Kenny: What are you saying, what do you mean?... No, no, no.
later.
Jane: I didn´t kill him, it was a accident Kenny. (That is Jane confirming that AJ was death, in case you don´t get it)
Screw you.
I am sure the truth hurts, but don´t be like that.
Second, if you leave with Kenny he has Clem to help him take care of AJ.
Once again I'm sure he would go crazy trying to take care o… moref a baby in a world full of zombies. Even in a group babies would still make living complicated and frustrating. Which are two things Kenny ain't good at dealing with.
This is you saying: I can´t make proper arguments so I will spit out baseless shit.
You mean to tell me that Kenny beating up Arvo didn't send off at least one alarm? If he'll beat up a crippled kid.......what's to keep him from harming Clem? Oh right he cares for her. I couldn't tell when he went off on her and refused to help Lee find her.
Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?
Yes........ANYONE WOULD. When you're living in a world with zombies who are attracted to sound a baby is a serious safety hazard.
Kenny is not violent to those he cares about.
LIES! He fought Lee and he lashed out on Clem.
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But by showing what he was capable of, killing someone in the heat of the moment. She sis the same thing. Infact hers was worse. Hers was premeditated.
Barring the fact that if it had been Lee instead of Kenny things never would have progressed to this state (on account of Lee not being a st… moreubborn, violent bully), then no I don't think Lee would've acted similarly at all.
Lee's first thought would be to see if perhaps the baby could still be saved. If you dropped him on accident, then he's still out there. We can still save him.
Lee did what was necessary, but he never relished the violence, he didn't become more and more uncontrollably violent. He could dish out the hurt, but only when it was necessary. The worst thing Lee would've done to Jane was to abandon her, like he abandoned Lilly.
This is probably just my version of Lee of course
I choose to forgive her as well. I think that's the moment when Jane comes full circle, and has returned to a more normal state, one where s… morehe can bond with people and slowly trust them, instead of being stuck in her loner mentality because of her sister.
How many bodies has Kenny created? List them for me please.... how many has he purposefully gotten killed? Yes people have died because of his mistakes. As have they all....even Clementine "Sometimes people die because of me..."
Honestly, I want to know. Because I cant think of one.
And we can't count Larry. That guy was dead.
This was nothing to do with bullying....seriously. Who can blame Kenny if hes pissed at you for constantly siding against him.
If someone sided against me all the time, Id be pissed at them too! Almost anyone would!
She already proved what she wanted to prove by that point, continuing the fight was unnecessary. Also running past Kenny towards the car and… more open the door is hardly backing down. Face it; she wanted to kill Kenny just as much Kenny wanted to kill her.
Carver, very much like kenny, didnt act rationally. They were maniac dictators. Carver killed a man for silly mistake which wasnt even that … morebig deal. And Kenny had caused so many deaths also. Kenny didnt give a shit about other people, he only cared about himself and people very close to him. He didnt care about ben, omid, crista, random lady surrounded by walkers, Alvin, Larry, Walter, Jane and the list goes on... Problem with Kenny fans, is that they are blind to all the shit Kenny has done. (and i dont think any sane person would be on kennys side, after getting all the facts straight)
If you side with Kenny, you side Lilly and all the idiots who murder others for no rational reason.
Larry....a dead guy who was about to reanimate
Ben....who he risked his life to save
Arvo....who he smacked around after he almost got the entire group killed
Youre telling me that
A/ You'd rather deal with a walker, in a locked room, with no weapons
B/ Would not be angry at someone who caused the death of your entire family
C/ Would be fine with a guy who tried to get you all killed.
I still have yet to hear how Kenny puts everyone in danger. Its all I keep seeing, hes a danger. Hes racking up bodies all over the place. Hes crazy...
I want someone to tell me what the crazy stuff is he says
And how he puts them in danger.
What he says may be unsavoury, but its always made sense. And hes not violent towards his own. He might shout, but thats being angry. Not violent.
The problem with saying this:
The problem is that you missed that I put a (determinantly) in there, you know. thinking (determinantl… morey) that she knew better that Clem despite only knowing him for lest that a week
including Clementine.
I call bullshit, sir. Because is bullshit.
. He's dangerous because he does things without thinking through the consequences and some times these consequences are bad
What? The rambo your way out of the truck thing? Yes, that was stupid. And looking for Wellington? Nope, dude. That was the best chance anyone-not just AJ- had of surviving, and he took it.
he is unstable
He is not unstable. Leaving aside that is stupid to call him unstable for being pushed over the edge. Could he have reacted better? Yes, of course, but it was Jane there, not anybody else. Kenny doesn´t trust her. He has no reason to trust her.
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Yes I am serious
Lol.
Kenny never cares about Clem during season 1
That we are never show their interactions in season… more 1 doesn´t mean Kenny does not care about her.
Kenny: "We are getting that little girl back, with or withouth you." (And no, this line of dialogue is not determinant)
but we can't ever act on it.
Okay, I give you that.
He should've protected Duck, Katjaa and Sarita - but he failed massively.
You are heartless. No, seriously, you are. How the hell can you say that? Duck was bitten in the bandid attack, Katjaa killed herself and he lost sign of Sarita in the walker herd. What the hell could he have done, genius?
Jane protected her sister for months, until she couldn't do anything to protect her, because her sister wouldn't do the tiniest thing to protect herself.
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Tell me about it....Im seriously considering walking from this group. If they cant prove you wrong, youre insulted. Ive never seen so many unreasonable, nasty, unpleasant people in one place before.
Seriously, I can't go every other discussion without someone blindly insulting my intelligence or implying that I'm too biased to reason with. Its so annoying.
Exactly... Jane "haters" have lost all credibility to me. They will always see Jane in a bad light, no matter what actually happens in the game.
God do you guys even read what you type?
the hypocrisy is pathetic.
No, the ability to manipluale someone so well, then shoot his dick off and leave him to the walkers is what disturbs me.
Get out of there, fine.
Kill him, no problem.
But to do that...to let him die that way....thats pretty fucking messed up!
So wait, you're saying the prisoner (Jane) was the bad person and not Troy? Really? She was trying to escape and she used what she could to … moretry to get out. But in your world, Troy was the good guy being manipulated by the woman he was holding captive? Interesting view on life.
You are absolutely right. Jane was always thinking herself first and others second. Kenny was always thinking others first and it showed alr… moreeady during the season 1. Yes he is a hot headed redneck asshole sometimes but he always cares about the people who show him to be trustworthy. What finally really shifted my allegiance to Kenny in the last episode was the talk when Clem tried to get Jane and Kenny to join others at the fire. Jane really showed what kind of person she is at there. And I was really feeling sorry for taking the sip of rum from her. Even there Kenny was thinking the best of Clem like he always have. A great guy, little short tempered but a good one. And Arvo really deserved the asskicking he got from him. And again it was Kenny who was right about who to trust...
It amazes me that people have issues with Kenny disagreeing with the group. After all its not his group. This group got hi group killed. Hes with them because he has no choice, not because he wants to be, and people are surprised that hes angry?
Shouting is neither violence or madness
Having an opinion different to others is neither violence or madness
Being angry at your situation is neither violence or madness
I dont get how people dont see this. Under different circumstances, Kenny and Luke may well have been as close as he and Lee were, but circumstances change.
How would you feel if you were Kenny. To have your wife kill her self and your son turn into a walker! Then yo risk your life trying to save… more someone and end up being separated! Then months later a group comes to a chalet you are staying in and you find Clementine again and you are so happy and proud to see her. Then you are surprised to find that this group is being tracked by some crazy guy who invades your chalet and kills your friend Walter! Then when they take you back to their camp which you have no business being there, you almost get beat to death for covering for Clementine! Then when you all try and escape the camp he loses Sarita who he has fallen in love with! Again he had no business being in any of this. Then you get a little ticked off WHO THE HELL WOULDNT!!!!!! Then the group talks behind your back without confronting you and you know what's going on. Then the people you thought you could trust try to leave with all your suppli… [view original content]
As someone who attempted suicide 16 years ago, there are people who help you regardless, and people who dont know how to deal with you, try and help and either succeed or fail. And people who dont know how to handle you and dont try.
I dont know which one Jane was, but maybe all her sister needed was a different approach that day
"You seemed to forget when Jane was about to shoot innocent Arvo on the deck, until you stopped her! Then she puts a gun to his head and threatens him"
ALL jane lovers just got OWNED
You know, thanks for letting me remember that. The Kenny, Hershel and Hershel's son situation is similar to the Jane, Kenny and AJ.
Except that Hershel had proof that his son got killed thanks to Kenny (Kenny didn't have any proof of Jane killing AJ), yet he doesn't try to beat the shit out of kenny.
The Walking Dead Season 1 Episode 1 - In the Drugstore:
Kenny: Lee, you got a second?
Lee: Sure.
Kenny: Back on Hershel's farm...
… more Lee: Yeah?
Kenny: I panicked, you know. I'm not proud of it.
Lee: It happens.
Kenny: I guess, but I can't stop seeing him in my head.
Lee: Yeah, that's...rough.
Kenny: I killed that boy. We could've saved him together.
Lee: You didn't have a choice.
Kenny: ...
Lee: You think you do, when you think back on it. But in a moment? When things are really out of control? You don't have any choice.
Kenny: I guess.
Lee: Try to let it go.
Kenny will remember your loyalty.
Kenny talks about it with Lee. Kenny knows what he has done, he feels guilty. I think it's great, that Kenny is honest with Lee.
If Kenny forgives Ben, I think Hershel Greene has forgiven to Kenny. Both have lost their sons.
The ending in which you kill Kenny doesn´t hold any weight. He can be either a depressed man that just got shot by what he considers his fos… moreter daughter because he was trying to kill somebody that he had reasons to think had killed AJ, or somebody saying it for Clementines sake so she doesn´t have to keep on living with guilt. Unlike Jane´s actions, which are pretty clear and don’t hold reason for debate. She lies about the baby´s death when Kenny had just lost Sarita less that two days ago fully knowing it could provoke him into a fight, which she could have stopped but didn´t, and was the first one to go for the kill by slashing Kenny´s stomach.
In your third paragraph you are basically saying that those that didn´t shoot Kenny are wrong because if every single detail of the situation was different it could have be unjustifiably. Your logic disturbs me.
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As someone who attempted suicide 16 years ago, there are people who help you regardless, and people who dont know how to deal with you, try … moreand help and either succeed or fail. And people who dont know how to handle you and dont try.
I dont know which one Jane was, but maybe all her sister needed was a different approach that day
You know, thanks for letting me remember that. The Kenny, Hershel and Hershel's son situation is similar to the Jane, Kenny and AJ.
Except … morethat Hershel had proof that his son got killed thanks to Kenny (Kenny didn't have any proof of Jane killing AJ), yet he doesn't try to beat the shit out of kenny.
But by showing what he was capable of, killing someone in the heat of the moment. She sis the same thing. Infact hers was worse. Hers was premeditated.
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Lol.
That we are never show their interactions in season 1 doesn´t mean Kenny does not care about her.
Kenny: "We are getting that little girl back, with or withouth you." (And no, this line of dialogue is not determinant)
Okay, I give you that.
You are heartless. No, seriously, you are. How the hell can you say that? Duck was bitten in the bandid attack, Katjaa killed herself and he lost sign of Sarita in the walker herd. What the hell could he have done, genius?
Of course, is perfectly okay for Jane to give up of her sister and tell her 'You can have what you want' before letting her be eaten alive, but Kenny fails massively. Sure, whatever.
Is her fucking fault in the first place.
'Hur dur dur Kenny thought Wellington was better and a more long therm solution for the baby instead of going back to Howe´s, and Howe´s is a fucking mess but I going to ignore that anyway, so he is eViL'
Do i have to tell you the laundry list of shit he had pilled up on him just in this season or you can figure out that for yourself? Do I have to tell you that he was felling hurt and betrayed because he was doing the looking for Wellington thing for Clem in the first place?
N.O.T.H.I.N.G.
The Walking Dead Season 1 Episode 1 - In the Drugstore:
Kenny: Lee, you got a second?
Lee: Sure.
Kenny: Back on Hershel's farm...
Lee: Yeah?
Kenny: I panicked, you know. I'm not proud of it.
Lee: It happens.
Kenny: I guess, but I can't stop seeing him in my head.
Lee: Yeah, that's...rough.
Kenny: I killed that boy. We could've saved him together.
Lee: You didn't have a choice.
Kenny: ...
Lee: You think you do, when you think back on it. But in a moment? When things are really out of control? You don't have any choice.
Kenny: I guess.
Lee: Try to let it go.
Kenny will remember your loyalty.
Kenny talks about it with Lee. Kenny knows what he has done, he feels guilty. I think it's great, that Kenny is honest with Lee.
If Kenny forgives Ben, I think Hershel Greene has forgiven to Kenny. Both have lost their sons.
Once again I'm sure he would go crazy trying to take care of a baby in a world full of zombies. Even in a group babies would still make living complicated and frustrating. Which are two things Kenny ain't good at dealing with.
You mean to tell me that Kenny beating up Arvo didn't send off at least one alarm? If he'll beat up a crippled kid.......what's to keep him from harming Clem? Oh right he cares for her. I couldn't tell when he went off on her and refused to help Lee find her.
Yes........ANYONE WOULD. When you're living in a world with zombies who are attracted to sound a baby is a serious safety hazard.
LIES! He fought Lee and he lashed out on Clem.
What ever twisted explanation you manage to concoct inside your sick psyche screw it! There's no explaining that. Kenny simply lost it because he can't handle "disrespect". ISIS have their reason for attacking Gaza but does that make it right? Simply because one has a reason?
He had nothing to prove that. He jumped to conclusions. Jane never said the baby died.
Screw you.
Firstly Jane created the fight by making up a scenario, which would make most people do what Kenny did. I mean really, if someone who had been against this baby all along (she even implied to Becca that she should just get rid of it) then came up to you, and implied the baby was dead. First thought would be she killed it. The "He's..." confirms it.
Would you really just let it go? Move on? Not react?
Lets look at the fight shall we?
"Where is he Jane?..."
"He's...
"What are you saying? No....NO!"
Kenny runs off
"No, not again,not again..."
"Clem, no matter what - just stay out of it"
"Stay out of what?"
"You gotta trust me, youre gonna see what he really is."
Kenny comes back
"How could you kill a fucking child?!" takes swing
"I didnt kill him, it was an accident Kenny!" Pulls knife "I wont back down from you Kenny"
"Shut up!"
"Clem, stay back"
Jane puts knife away "Dont you come near me you son of a bitch!"
Kenny pins Jane, reaches for knife
Kenny ends up on ground, Jane pounces. If Clem pulls her off as soon as Kenny stands she tries to gut him. strong text Jane tries to Kill Kenny firststrong text
Jane to Kenny "This is all your fucking fault!"
"You piece of shit!"
*Jane swings with the knife again - aiming for another kill stroke - the neck area
Kenny blocks, goes down. Jane shove fingers in eye sockett
"Hows that fucking feel, huh?"
"Hes had enough!! LISTEN TO ME!" Jane doesnt stop
"Get her off!"
Clem pulls Jane off, Kenny goes for knife. Stabs her in leg strong text not a lethal attackstrong text Clem falls
"You fucking baby killer!"
"I didnt!"
*Kenny has Jane pinned, knife at chest
"I'll fucking kill you!"
"I knew you would!"
Jane instigated the fight...she wanted to show Clem that he was willing to kill someone. However IMO she got it wrong. She showed from the start clear intent to kill or maim him, far more than he did. AT ANY POINT she could have ended it, and said "AJ's alive" Especially when he had her pinned right at the end, about to kill her Instead, she continues the ruse "I knew you would..." Why didnt she say "Stop! Hes alive ok, He alive Kenny!" He would have stopped. He'd be pissed as hell, she'd tried to gut him and shoved her fingers in his eye socket. But he'd keep her alive because he'd want to know where the kid was. She'd have to prove it to him.
He'd more than likely leave her behind after...tie her up and leave her to the zombies, maybe. But he wouldnt outright kill her knowing the kid was safe. That was his only reason for killing her. He had never killed someone on his team before, he had never willingly put someone in danger who was on his team.
Even Ben, who he wished dead after causing the death of his entire family (again, a perfectly normal, human reaction) He still put his life on the line to save "That fucking shitbird Ben"
Yes he disagreed with people, and he was very vocal in letting people know how he felt, but he'd still side with his group, even if he disagreed. He'd sulk like hell about it, and take offence that you didnt side with him. But again. Hes human!
If mommy and daddy fight, and you pick a side, youre going to hurt one of them. Theyre going to be upset, and probably pissed off that you didnt side with them. No difference here at all!
The anti Kenny people have 2 main arguments against him.
1/ Hes volatile and dangerous... Hell yes hes volatile! Stress can do that to people. But dangerous? Kenny is fiercely protective of his allies, and would die for them (Ben) He would go even further for those he cares about. IMO thats one of the best human traits anyone can have. Protect the ones you love. At any cost.
2/ He turns against you if you disagree with him... yeah, sometimes. Not always, he'll always react - hes never happy about it. But would you be? But he doesn't always leave you out to dry for disagreeing with him.
The funny thing is, it that is exactly what the anti Kenny folks do. He has an opinion different to theirs, and they hate him when he disagrees!
Kenny is not a bad guy. He was a million miles away from becoming someone like Carver, he LOVED Clem, and would do anything to protect her. Anything.
If you take the leave Kenny option at Wellington you know that.
I didnt, I stayed with him. Because I feel the only way my Clem will survive long in this world, is with people who would lay down their lives for her. People like Lee. People like Kenny.
Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway.
Lol, nope.
First of all, Clem had just caused the death of his wife. Second, refusing to help Lee find her is not only determinant but reasonable. If Lee´s doesn´t back it up in a grey morality choice, he fells distrusfull of him and guilty. Besides, his actitude quickly changes.
"We are going to get that littel girl back, with or without you."
Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway.
First of all, figthing with Lee is determinant and even in that case, Lee is the one that stars him. Besides, pulling a example when his son was as good as death and Kenny knew and it was heating up at him is unreasonable, stupid. What could you have done? And second, he lashes out at Clem after she causes the death of Sarita, genius. And besides, screaming is not being violent.
Lol, nope. To Kenny, Arvo is like Carver, just another bad guy. So he deserves it. Besides, did you forget that Arvo leaded its group to Clem´s group, caused the gun figth with them, and played a part in the death of Luke?
It was plausible. First of all, Kenny knew Jane had that mentally, that others only drag you down. Second, he knew she was hostile to him. Third, she was not hurt in any way despite losing the child.
Jane(souding like she is about to cry): He is...
Kenny: What are you saying, what do you mean?... No, no, no.
later.
Jane: I didn´t kill him, it was a accident Kenny. (That is Jane confirming that AJ was death, in case you don´t get it)
I am sure the truth hurts, but don´t be like that.
But by showing what he was capable of, killing someone in the heat of the moment. She sis the same thing. Infact hers was worse. Hers was premeditated.
Thanks :-)
Are you forgetting what he did to the St Johns?
You can forgive a maniuplative murderer? Okay....
How many bodies has Kenny created? List them for me please.... how many has he purposefully gotten killed? Yes people have died because of his mistakes. As have they all....even Clementine "Sometimes people die because of me..."
Honestly, I want to know. Because I cant think of one.
And we can't count Larry. That guy was dead.
Who else has he killed, other than Carver?
Clementine: You're right. Opens door, lets walkers in
This was nothing to do with bullying....seriously. Who can blame Kenny if hes pissed at you for constantly siding against him.
If someone sided against me all the time, Id be pissed at them too! Almost anyone would!
List the deaths Kenny caused please
List them please
Larry....a dead guy who was about to reanimate
Ben....who he risked his life to save
Arvo....who he smacked around after he almost got the entire group killed
Youre telling me that
A/ You'd rather deal with a walker, in a locked room, with no weapons
B/ Would not be angry at someone who caused the death of your entire family
C/ Would be fine with a guy who tried to get you all killed.
Ok then!
I still have yet to hear how Kenny puts everyone in danger. Its all I keep seeing, hes a danger. Hes racking up bodies all over the place. Hes crazy...
I want someone to tell me what the crazy stuff is he says
And how he puts them in danger.
What he says may be unsavoury, but its always made sense. And hes not violent towards his own. He might shout, but thats being angry. Not violent.
applauds
Tell me about it....Im seriously considering walking from this group. If they cant prove you wrong, youre insulted. Ive never seen so many unreasonable, nasty, unpleasant people in one place before.
Well since the cabin group BROKE UP HIS WHOLE FUCKING GROUP AFTER THEY GOT THEM ALL KILLED I dont quite see how Kenny breaks up groups...
No I dont. I see her in a bad light in the last 30 minutes of the game
He was violent to his enemies. Thats fine with me, he wasnt violent to anyone in the group.
No, the ability to manipluale someone so well, then shoot his dick off and leave him to the walkers is what disturbs me.
Get out of there, fine.
Kill him, no problem.
But to do that...to let him die that way....thats pretty fucking messed up!
Jane also shoves Clem if you tell her to back off
How...what does he say and do?
Amen!
\they werent dead when she intergrated herself into the group. Whos to say Carver didnt ask her to?
He was angry at Ben, didnt take him long to get back to normal and sacrifice himself for the kid...
Wow....you must have had a lot of fights to the death in your playthrough!
He reached that breaking point once, and once only
It amazes me that people have issues with Kenny disagreeing with the group. After all its not his group. This group got hi group killed. Hes with them because he has no choice, not because he wants to be, and people are surprised that hes angry?
Shouting is neither violence or madness
Having an opinion different to others is neither violence or madness
Being angry at your situation is neither violence or madness
I dont get how people dont see this. Under different circumstances, Kenny and Luke may well have been as close as he and Lee were, but circumstances change.
As someone who attempted suicide 16 years ago, there are people who help you regardless, and people who dont know how to deal with you, try and help and either succeed or fail. And people who dont know how to handle you and dont try.
I dont know which one Jane was, but maybe all her sister needed was a different approach that day
Thank you :-)
Im not a fan of murder either, but if someone kills a baby, I believe they deserve the death penalty
You know, thanks for letting me remember that. The Kenny, Hershel and Hershel's son situation is similar to the Jane, Kenny and AJ.
Except that Hershel had proof that his son got killed thanks to Kenny (Kenny didn't have any proof of Jane killing AJ), yet he doesn't try to beat the shit out of kenny.
Brilliant :-)
Shawn
Larry
Ben (determinant, indirect, out of mercy)
Walter
Alvin (determinant)
Lee (indirect)
The stranger
The Strangers wife
The Strangers daughter
Rebecca (indirect)
Jane (determinant)
There were walkers going after them and she couldnt hold them back. She didnt have time for different approach.
Kenny doesn't need any proof of Jane killing AJ, because Jane has hinted, that AJ is dead.
Yet you have no evidence to prove that her plan was to kill Kenny right from the start.