yeah maybe but jane was going for blood that was for sure provocing him in the car about everything and everyone he cared about... and then … moreshe lied about AJ being dead and leaving him in the car she pulled clem right in and kenny didn't want her to be around for that
and jane fans come with but kenny said she was nothing
and apparently then its all oke because kenny said something that kids say in school and jane says something that no adult ever want to hear.... think about that
So that just applies on Kenny right? Why doesn't that apply on Jane too?
She's been almost the whole ZA, and you got Kenny shouting on her she's worth nothing and she doesn't care about anybody, yet she saved Kenny's life a few hours ago against the russians. We could say she was "sad" too, so if you justify Kenny then you must justify Jane too.
What Lee said in Clementine's dream?
Kenny was sad, that can make people angry sometimes. People don't always make sense. 'Cause bad thin… moregs happen to everyone. And it's hard to keep bein' yourself after they do. It's not like math. Sometimes there just isn't a right answer. Part of growing up is doing what's best for the people you care about... even if sometimes... that means hurting someone else.
But Lee hasnt lost family. Every character in the game must have some form of PTSD by now. Now imagine being in almost the same situation as season 1 - whilst suffering from PTSD. Kenny loses the woman he loves, again. Hes with the same girl he helped protect 2 years ago, and now he has a baby to look after. Because no-one else is interested, by default he is a father again.
Can you think what that would do to anyone, the fear of losing it all a second time.
If Lee had lost a wife, or a child. Or even Clem in season 1. Then was faced with an eerily similar situation 2 years later. He'd probably have trouble keeping his emotions in check too!
Kenny has suffered a different kind of pain to the rest of the group. Im not saying a worse pain. But a different one.
He lost a child, no-one else did, and you cant compare the loss of a friend, a relative or a parent to losing a child.
Its something many people never recover from, so personally I think Kenny is holding his shit together better than most would!
Well I think Lee would've turned into a fighter jet and flown them all to the moon!
Of course all my previous statements about Lee were m… morey opinion of it - based on the Lee I had played as. Of course I can't say for sure what a fictional character would do in a situation that he's never presented as being in.
Most likely he would do what the writers wrote him as doing.
All I was trying to do was look at what I think he would have done, based on previous games.
And based on that, I really just don't see Lee beating up a bound teenage kid. How you even compare that to coming home and finding your beloved wife banging some random guy, I don't even know.
Going back to St. John - when he has almost been killed by Andy and then subsequently started beating him up, that situation might - just might - be comparable to the situation with his wife and her lover. It was someone who had hurt him (albeit in widely different ways), and who ha… [view original content]
No-one knows that, she dies on the same log in the same place no matter which option you chose. The fact is, in the days before hospitals and modern medicine, giving birth was life threatening for the woman. And thats what it is in the ZA. Think back to what happened to Lori on the TV show
We can speculate all we want on the matter, but Im not talking about how Jane handled her in just that moment, Im talking about the time leading up to it in the minutes before
Because she already was caughing and it was freezing ?
and how do you know that she wouldn't die? Because it was not long after aj was bor… moren that she died and that was because of complications dying anyway
and you're a troll driuving people away with your BS reasons why you're always right
We can speculate all we want on the matter, but Im not talking about how Jane handled her in just that moment, Im talking about the time leading up to it in the minutes before
You could have atleast come up with some kind of explanation other than "you don't pay attention." When has Kenny ever showed that he can handle frustration?
He can hadle frustration just fine. Except, you know, when the writers start pilling shit on him. Besides:
Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?
Spoiler alert: nope, nope.
He knew she was as good as dead. All Clem did was chop off the arm of a dead woman.
Remember Reggie? You know, the bitten guy who got his arm cut and survived?
No seriously how in the hell is that reasonable!?
If you don´t help him kill Larry, regardless of whatever else you chose, Kenny distrust of Lee plus is own guilt make him refuse. If you help him kill Larry, but you don´t back him and his family, he will also refuse. I think is pretty clear why. Kenny character is centered on family-literally everything he does is centered on family.
Kenny:…You didn´t help my family, so excuse me if I don´t bend backwards for you.
Apart for that, you can´t really say that Kenny refusing to help Lee makes him bad or something like that. Is just one impulsive decision. Is attitude quickly changes when Lee returns-having time to cool down-, and he shows that regardless of what he thinks of Lee Kenny is not the type of person who could stand by idly when a child suffers.
Kenny: We are going to get that little girl back, with or without you.
That made no sense. A crippled kid = a bad guy...........
TO Kenny, Arvo is just like Carver, just another bad guy. Arvo leaded his group to Clem´s group, nearly had all of them killed, and he was increasingly certain that he was just lying to save his own skin. Plus, you know, the part Arvo played in the death of Luke.
That does not make sense. Kenny felt that she abandoned the child out of spite towards him. That makes no sense.
I did not say that. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
That right there should have told him something wasn't right. No seriously she was un injured and there's a blizzard going on which slows down the zombies. Why would she abandon the baby?
He came to the only logical conclusion. Jane was unharmed despite losing the child, so she abandoned it because a baby, in a snowstorm persued by zombies, is only a libiality.
What was an accident?
AJ supposed death.
How is that confirmation?
That is confirming that AJ is death.
I read your post well enough and if you have a problem with me quoting what you said then screw you. xD.
Once again, read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want.
"Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway"
… more You could have atleast come up with some kind of explanation other than "you don't pay attention." When has Kenny ever showed that he can handle frustration?
"Lol, nope."
Then that means you don't pay attention to his character.
"First of all, Clem had just caused the death of his wife."
He knew she was as good as dead. All Clem did was chop off the arm of a dead woman.
"Second, refusing to help Lee find her is not only determinant but reasonable."
No seriously how in the hell is that reasonable!? He cares for her but he could've cared less if she was found or not? You're reason is stupid. And why would Kenny think Lee has his back when he has let Lee down multiple times?
"Besides, his attitude quickly changes."
That is what worries me. His attitude does change rather quick which is why … [view original content]
well she insulted him with everyone and everything he loved and he said she is nothing.... not quite the same I say
she just wanted him to snap if she did that to nick or clem then nick would shoot her too and you would still choose janes side , i hope she dies in the first 5 minutes of season 3 and gets what she deserves... an zombie abush with no getting away an clem beeing able to say "thats for Kenny"
So Jane throws around insults = Nobody wants to hear that. It's too rough. It's about the family. What a bitch!
Kenny throws around insults = Come on Jane, grow some thicker skin. She can't take a little truth? What a bitch!
and it was a big risk with a baby and a child , luckily there were no walkers but it could have ben crawling with them
wellington was cold an walkers can hardly move
Which shows that Jane did not start the fight - she did not instigate the violence. Had she been wrong about Kenny - had he not been a hothe… moreaded violent crazy person - her plan falls apart, and she would be forced to admit that Kenny isn't a danger to Clementine.
That's how it could have gone down! But Kenny acted precisely as predicted, proving Jane's point and proving the virtue of her plan (albeit extreme).
kenny stayed to guard the boat in S1 so whats your point?
Kenny did what almost everyone would do in the same situation except maybe the trolling jane fans who can't have a argument without saying kenny is a psycho(forgetting jane didn't want to stop when outside an was going for THE KILL) kenny was protecting himself and if in the game jane didn't talk to clem first so we wouldn't know her plan then maybe i would've chosen her but no she made clear that she kills very easily leaves everyone behind who nees stimulation and if you stand up to her you will have to fight for your life ...
But NO its all kenny... facepalm
"Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway"
… more You could have atleast come up with some kind of explanation other than "you don't pay attention." When has Kenny ever showed that he can handle frustration?
"Lol, nope."
Then that means you don't pay attention to his character.
"First of all, Clem had just caused the death of his wife."
He knew she was as good as dead. All Clem did was chop off the arm of a dead woman.
"Second, refusing to help Lee find her is not only determinant but reasonable."
No seriously how in the hell is that reasonable!? He cares for her but he could've cared less if she was found or not? You're reason is stupid. And why would Kenny think Lee has his back when he has let Lee down multiple times?
"Besides, his attitude quickly changes."
That is what worries me. His attitude does change rather quick which is why … [view original content]
Jane probably shot her sister in the leg, causing the walkers to come towards them. Jane then escaped to the roof, but was surprised that her - now wounded - sister was able to follow her.
Seeing that this wouldn't do, she started shouting loudly whilst beating up her sister - thus luring the walkers to the roof whilst making sure her sister couldn't possibly escape.
Or were you trying to imply something else? I get confused easily, so it's entirely possible.
You're so right!
Jane probably shot her sister in the leg, causing the walkers to come towards them. Jane then escaped to the roof, but w… moreas surprised that her - now wounded - sister was able to follow her.
Seeing that this wouldn't do, she started shouting loudly whilst beating up her sister - thus luring the walkers to the roof whilst making sure her sister couldn't possibly escape.
Or were you trying to imply something else? I get confused easily, so it's entirely possible.
I was trying to reply to @ALIENANGIE - since he seemed to be implying that, since we haven't heard a minute description of all that happened, we have grounds to believe that Jane did something horrible
EDIT: But thanks for the name-calling, makes me feel all fuzzy!
If some one is trying to kill you what would you do? Kenny didn't want the fight to stop either when they were outside so whats YOUR point? She tried to kill someone who wanted to kill her. I find that extremely funny a kenny fiend would have problem with this. Did Kenny not do the same thing when he killed a certain someone with a salt lick? Kenny stayed to guard the boat. He did a real good too. #sarcasm.
Kenny jumped on Jane because he was trying to protect himself...............sheathing knife and saying stay away from me = assault in Kenny world, right? The fight was all Kenny's fault. Like it or not.
kenny stayed to guard the boat in S1 so whats your point?
Kenny did what almost everyone would do in the same situation except maybe the tr… moreolling jane fans who can't have a argument without saying kenny is a psycho(forgetting jane didn't want to stop when outside an was going for THE KILL) kenny was protecting himself and if in the game jane didn't talk to clem first so we wouldn't know her plan then maybe i would've chosen her but no she made clear that she kills very easily leaves everyone behind who nees stimulation and if you stand up to her you will have to fight for your life ...
But NO its all kenny... facepalm
"He can hadle frustration just fine. Except, you know, when the writers start pilling shit on him."
Those two sentences contradict each other. Ooops my bad I forgot to say spoiler alert.........oh well.
"Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?"
When you apply enough pressure to anything it will snap. Nuff said.
"Remember Reggie? You know, the bitten guy who got his arm cut and survived?" Spoiler alert: THAT'S WHY CLEM CUT OFF HER ARM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR
Besides, Reggie's situation was different. He was not surrounded by a herd of zombies. She was as good as dead.
"Kenny:…You didn´t help my family, so excuse me if I don´t bend backwards for you."
Yeah I found that's statement from Kenny very hilarious. Lee did something for Duck that Kenny was too much of a wuss to do. He put the boy out of his misery. So yeah Kenny should have bend backwards and then some because Lee took care of his son. That's still in my opinion is not a good reason to pretty much say eff Clem. Which is what Kenny did when you think about it. And you honestly want us to believe this psycho cares about Clem. I don't believe it.
"TO Kenny, Arvo is just like Carver"
Which is why allot of people are saying Kenny lost it.
"Arvo leaded his group to Clem´s group"
Did Arvo have a choice in the matter? Ask yourself that.
"nearly had all of them killed"
No the people with the guns nearly had all of them killed. Arvo tried to stop it before it got out of hand.
"he was increasingly certain that he was just lying to save his own skin."
But Kenny was wrong. Everything Arvo said his group had was 100% true. Yes he did infact tell them about it to save his skin though.....but what human being, who is face to face with a psycho, wouldn't?
"Plus, you know, the part Arvo played in the death of Luke."
You're soooo right. Now that you mentioned it I remember seeing Arvo turn around and use the force on the ice where Luke was standing.
"I did not say that. Please stop putting words in my mouth."
This is what you said: "First of all, Kenny knew Jane had that mentally, that others only drag you down. Second, he knew she was hostile to him. Third, she was not hurt in any way despite losing the child."
Let's get a close up
"Second, he knew she was hostile to him."
Closer Second, he knew she was hostile to him.
I did not put any word in your mouth sir. Maybe you should be cautious about how you word your statements.
"a baby, in a snowstorm persued by zombies, is only a libiality."
Snowstorms slow zombies down. They would not have been able nor where they able to follow Jane. Kenny should have realized that when he made it to that building.
"AJ supposed death."
Jane never said what the accident was.
"That is confirming that AJ is death."
No it don't. The only thing that was confirmed was Aj's absence.
"Once again, read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want."
Once again screw you.
You could have atleast come up with some kind of explanation other than "you don't pay attention." When has Kenny ever showed that he can ha… morendle frustration?
He can hadle frustration just fine. Except, you know, when the writers start pilling shit on him. Besides:
Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?
Spoiler alert: nope, nope.
He knew she was as good as dead. All Clem did was chop off the arm of a dead woman.
Remember Reggie? You know, the bitten guy who got his arm cut and survived?
No seriously how in the hell is that reasonable!?
If you don´t help him kill Larry, regardless of whatever else you chose, Kenny distrust of Lee plus is own guilt make him refuse. If you help him kill Larry, but you don´t back him and his family, he will also refuse. I think is pretty clear why. Kenny character is centered on family-literally everything he does is centered on family.
Kenny:…You didn´t help my family, so… [view original content]
No, I'm saying that we don't know what happened. We only know what Jane said happened, yet everyone is automatically saying she din the right thing.
From the way she handled Sarah, whether you leave her to be eaten, or save her. She is very, very quick to suggest leaving her to save her own skin. She doent even try to help her, even though there was time and she could be helped. First playthrough I believed Jane and I left her. When I realised she could be saved, I was disgusted with Jane and myself.
We have no way of knowing if she did the same with her sister or not.
Sure, she hates what she did. But we dont know what happened.
All I know is, is that she has no problem at all sacrificing others to save herself.
If I replied to you, then I did it wrong 0.o
I was trying to reply to @ALIENANGIE - since he seemed to be implying that, since we haven't… more heard a minute description of all that happened, we have grounds to believe that Jane did something horrible
EDIT: But thanks for the name-calling, makes me feel all fuzzy!
Well it aint Sixflags it the zombie apocalypse where "normal" people can't be trusted an the others try to eat you alive so I guess its normal to be paranoid in that scenario...
When outide he is defending himself because jane won't stop and won't shed the knife again and she already cut him badly.. (he doen't die of it because the ending takes place 9 days later)
Jane started it because of the "death"of AJ and attacking averyone/everything he loved, and than after he said she's nothing she wants to run again, Kenny: Running again huh? Well there's a fucking shocker...
If some one is trying to kill you what would you do? Kenny didn't want the fight to stop either when they were outside so whats YOUR point?… more She tried to kill someone who wanted to kill her. I find that extremely funny a kenny fiend would have problem with this. Did Kenny not do the same thing when he killed a certain someone with a salt lick? Kenny stayed to guard the boat. He did a real good too. #sarcasm.
Kenny jumped on Jane because he was trying to protect himself...............sheathing knife and saying stay away from me = assault in Kenny world, right? The fight was all Kenny's fault. Like it or not.
If some one is trying to kill you what would you do? Kenny didn't want the fight to stop either when they were outside so whats YOUR point?… more She tried to kill someone who wanted to kill her. I find that extremely funny a kenny fiend would have problem with this. Did Kenny not do the same thing when he killed a certain someone with a salt lick? Kenny stayed to guard the boat. He did a real good too. #sarcasm.
Kenny jumped on Jane because he was trying to protect himself...............sheathing knife and saying stay away from me = assault in Kenny world, right? The fight was all Kenny's fault. Like it or not.
Those two sentences contradict each other. Ooops my bad I forgot to say spoiler alert.........oh well.
Actually, nope. He can handle frustration just fine… Then Duck and Katjaa get killed off. He can hadle frustration just fine… Then Sarita gets killed off.
When you apply enough pressure to anything it will snap. Nuff said.
Is not enough pressure for Kenny.
Spoiler alert: THAT'S WHY CLEM CUT OFF HER ARM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR Besides, Reggie's situation was different. He was not surrounded by a herd of zombies. She was as good as dead.
SHE DID NOT HAVE TO BE STUPID ENOUGTH TO CUT THE ARM OFF IN A WALKER HERD DUUUUUUUUUUUUUR, WHICH LEADS TO SARITA´S DEATH, WHICH MAKES IT CLEM´S FAULT DUUUUUUUUUUUUUR.
Yeah I found that's statement from Kenny very hilarious.
If you don´t help him kill Larry, regardless of whatever else you chose, Kenny distrust of Lee plus is own guilt make him refuse. If you help him kill Larry, but you don´t back him and his family, he will also refuse. How is hard to understand that? Besides, is just one impulsive decision. Is attitude quickly changes when Lee returns-having time to cool down-, and he shows that regardless of what he thinks of Lee Kenny is not the type of person who could stand by idly when a child suffers.
Which is why allot of people are saying Kenny lost it.
Arvo=Bad guy.
Carver=Bad guy.
Did Arvo have a choice in the matter? Ask yourself that.
Did Kenny know that? Lol, nope. Besides, you are ignoring that is very probable that regardless of what you do he comes back for revenge.
No the people with the guns nearly had all of them killed. Arvo tried to stop it before it got out of hand.
When he saw they had a baby. Before then he was just fine with it. Besides, you are ignoring that thief´s are slow killers. Robbing Clem´s group is the same as killing Clem´s group.
But Kenny was wrong.
And?
You're soooo right. Now that you mentioned it I remember seeing Arvo turn around and use the force on the ice where Luke was standing.
Who got him shoot in the first place? Who ran across the lake?
I did not put any word in your mouth sir. Maybe you should be cautious about how you word your statements.
Maybe you should not jump to conclusions, sir. Which you did. That I say that he knew she was hostile to him does not mean I say she abandoned the baby out of spite.
" Snowstorms slow zombies down. They would not have been able nor where they able to follow Jane.
They were moving. Did you miss that part in which Jane runs off, leaving Clem in the car, because Walkers were pursuing her or what?
Jane never said what the accident was. No it don't. The only thing that was confirmed was Aj's absence.
She says she did not kill AJ, that it was accident. Which means that AJ had died, but it was accident, not a killing. How is hard to understand that? Are you serious or just trolling?
"He can hadle frustration just fine. Except, you know, when the writers start pilling shit on him."
Those two sentences contradict each oth… moreer. Ooops my bad I forgot to say spoiler alert.........oh well.
"Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?"
When you apply enough pressure to anything it will snap. Nuff said.
"Remember Reggie? You know, the bitten guy who got his arm cut and survived?" Spoiler alert: THAT'S WHY CLEM CUT OFF HER ARM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR
Besides, Reggie's situation was different. He was not surrounded by a herd of zombies. She was as good as dead.
"Kenny:…You didn´t help my family, so excuse me if I don´t bend backwards for you."
Yeah I found that's statement from Kenny very hilarious. Lee did something for Duck that Kenny was too much of a wuss to do. He put the boy out of his misery. So yeah Kenny should have bend backwards and then some because Lee took care of his son. That's still in my opinion is not a good … [view original content]
Well that's pretty much how Jane has become after the incident with first her group and next her sister. It doesn't mean that she just left her sister, it means that leaving her sister left her so broken that this is her first instinct.
I left Sarah to die, and I don't regret that decision. Luke had been trying for hours to get some reaction from her - nothing. I'm not going to risk my life on the narcissistic assumption that "I am special, so therefore I can save her".
The way Jane was, and the things she has experienced, I wasn't even expecting her help finding Luke and Sarah. But she did. And seeing Sarah her first instinct was to leave her, but she didn't just up and go. She stayed with Luke and Clem to try and save their lives. You may argue that she was wrong in that attempt - that their lives weren't at risk or that there was plenty of time. But Jane had experienced the car-incident - the guy stuck under the car, 3 (I think) group members die to save him, and then he was bit anyway and kills an old lady. She had literally seen member after member of her previous group die, in a futile attempt to save someone who was already dead. Coupled with how Sarah must remind her of her sister on that roof, and I think it's highly understandable what Jane did.
No, I'm saying that we don't know what happened. We only know what Jane said happened, yet everyone is automatically saying she din the righ… moret thing.
From the way she handled Sarah, whether you leave her to be eaten, or save her. She is very, very quick to suggest leaving her to save her own skin. She doent even try to help her, even though there was time and she could be helped. First playthrough I believed Jane and I left her. When I realised she could be saved, I was disgusted with Jane and myself.
We have no way of knowing if she did the same with her sister or not.
Sure, she hates what she did. But we dont know what happened.
All I know is, is that she has no problem at all sacrificing others to save herself.
he almost lost it when duck and kat died. he almost lost it when sarita died. kenny was slowly getting closer and closer to the edge. he snapped when he beat up a crippled kid. i would have did what jane did and tried to make Clem see that kenny is at the point of no return.
its not enough pressure for kenny!? take your head out of kenny's imaginary ass. maybe then you'll see what kind of broken man he became.
you can't honestly expect a child to make a wise choice in that situation. Even if you don't cut off her arm she still dies DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR so she was a dead woman either way! It is not Clem's fault that idiot got bit. All she had to do was keep moving forward slowly. SHE COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT!!!!
Kenny should've helped Lee because put Duck out of his misery. Kenny even thanks Lee for doing it.
Arvo was neutral even though he hated Ken and Clem. He didn't pose a threat to the group so no he was a "bad" guy.
Did Kenny know it!? What kind of stupid question is that? He was crippled, wimpy, and he didn't have. That should have been a dead give away. But I'm guessing Ken don't pay attention details. Especially the details that stand out.
Arvo come back for revenge.......what in the hell can he do to harm them? he had no weapon, theres no way he would've been able to track the group in the snow storm. Plus he can hardly run so he would be too occupied trying to avoid zombies. Kenny was simply paranoid. Yeah the man lost it.
And Arvo wasn't almost robbed? Also again did Arvo have a choice in the matter? Was he not forced to lead his sister and those guys to Clem's group? It should have been obvious that his sister was the one in charge.
How did Arvo get Luke shot? It was Luke's fault. He had a safe position until he decided to move. Arvo had nothing to do with the shooting. Now how did Arvo running have anything to do with the ice breaking where Luke was standing?
And?.......Kenny was wrong.......what else needs to be said?
I didn't to anything. I read what you said and threw your own words back at you. Be careful of your words from now on.
Did you miss the part when you walking Clem through the storm? They were standing still. As you can see they didn't pursue Jane to the car where she hid Aj so that means they stopped chasing her.
Yes she said she didn't kill Aj which means what? That she didn't abandon him.
Those two sentences contradict each other. Ooops my bad I forgot to say spoiler alert.........oh well.
Actually, nope. He can handle… more frustration just fine… Then Duck and Katjaa get killed off. He can hadle frustration just fine… Then Sarita gets killed off.
When you apply enough pressure to anything it will snap. Nuff said.
Is not enough pressure for Kenny.
Spoiler alert: THAT'S WHY CLEM CUT OFF HER ARM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR Besides, Reggie's situation was different. He was not surrounded by a herd of zombies. She was as good as dead.
SHE DID NOT HAVE TO BE STUPID ENOUGTH TO CUT THE ARM OFF IN A WALKER HERD DUUUUUUUUUUUUUR, WHICH LEADS TO SARITA´S DEATH, WHICH MAKES IT CLEM´S FAULT DUUUUUUUUUUUUUR.
Yeah I found that's statement from Kenny very hilarious.
If you don´t help him kill Larry, regardless of whatever else you chose, Kenny distrust of Lee plus is own guilt make him refuse. If you help … [view original content]
When outide he is defending himself because jane won't stop and won't shed the knife again and she already cut him badly.. (he doen't die of… more it because the ending takes place 9 days later)
Jane started it because of the "death"of AJ and attacking averyone/everything he loved, and than after he said she's nothing she wants to run again, Kenny: Running again huh? Well there's a fucking shocker...
They were going to look for another town/village in that boat, they could go to shore anywhere so and its safe in that boat...
Its still safer then roaming the streets, it was 1 of the safest options
But I guess you are what this topic is all about....
Arvo was not just a crippled kid. He was the same one that nearly had all of Clem´s group killed. A bad guy, a enemy, whatever you want to call it.
Take your head out of kenny's imaginary ass. maybe then you'll see what kind of broken man he became.
He is broken, yes, so what? Like I said, in the only scenario where he ends up taking care of AJ by the end of season 2, he has Clem to help her.
you can't honestly expect a child to make a wise choice in that situation.
And? Leaving aside that Clem is far for a normal child, making a choice means you are responsible for the consequences. And said consequence was Sarita´s death, so her death was Clem´s fault.
Even if you don't cut off her arm she still dies DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR so she was a dead woman either way!
Clem could have killed the walker, help Sarita, and once they were not sorruoded by walkers explain and cut her arm off. And she did not do it.
Kenny should've helped Lee because put Duck out of his misery. Kenny even thanks Lee for doing it.
If you don´t help him kill Larry, regardless of whatever else you chose, Kenny distrust of Lee plus is own guilt make him refuse. If you help him kill Larry, but you don´t back him and his family, he will also refuse. I think is pretty clear why. Kenny character is centered on family-literally everything he does is centered on family.Besides, is just one impulsive decision. Is attitude quickly changes when Lee returns-having time to cool down-, and he shows that regardless of what he thinks of Lee Kenny is not the type of person who could stand by idly when a child suffers.
Arvo was neutral even though he hated Ken and Clem. He didn't pose a threat to the group so no he was a "bad" guy.
No a threath? The gun figth with the Russians was mostly Arvo´s fault. Of course he was a fucking threat. And he was perfectly okay with the Russians robbing Clem´s group, which could have killed then. Besides, Arvo was no neutral. He glares and Clem at the unfished house, while she is about to freeze to death, because she did not die. He hated Clem.
He was crippled,
And?
wimpy,
Yes. With all the Russians were dead and Arvo did not have the advantage anymore.
and he didn't have
So what? The attempted robbery and the gun figth with the Russians was mostly Arvo´s fault.
Arvo come back for revenge......
I am talking about Amid The Ruins, when you have the choice to rob him or not. Is very probable that regardless of what you do he comes back for revenge.
And Arvo wasn't almost robbed?
And? You are pulling shit that does not even have to do with this.
Also again did Arvo have a choice in the matter? Was he not forced to lead his sister and those guys to Clem's group?
Is pretty clear he was far for forced. He blamed Clem´s group for the meds he stole for his sister, and nearly got Clem´s group killed because of that.
It should have been obvious that his sister was the one in charge.
First of all, Buricko seemed to be the one in charge. Second, his sister was not in charge. Third, Clem´s group does not know Russian.
How did Arvo get Luke shot?
The gun figth was his fault, so yes, Arvo got Luke shot.
Now how did Arvo running have anything to do with the ice breaking where Luke was standing?
Did him running worsen the situation? Yes, it did.
And?.......Kenny was wrong.......what else needs to be said?
That you are talking about him like a madmad, and I am saying that his thougth process on those times was pretty clear and reasonable.
I didn't to anything. I read what you said and threw your own words back at you. Be careful of your words from now on.
I am going to repeat myself: Maybe you should not jump to conclusions, sir. Which you did. That I say that he knew she was hostile to him does not mean I say she abandoned the baby out of spite.
Did you miss the part when you walking Clem through the storm?
Because they could not hear her in the snowstorm, not because they were frozen. If you get close enougth to them, they move and kill Clem. Besides, the snowstorm is much less intense near the Rest Stop.
Yes she said she didn't kill Aj which means what? That she didn't abandon him.
No, it means the baby was death but it was not deliberate, but a accident.
he almost lost it when duck and kat died. he almost lost it when sarita died. kenny was slowly getting closer and closer to the edge. he sna… morepped when he beat up a crippled kid. i would have did what jane did and tried to make Clem see that kenny is at the point of no return.
its not enough pressure for kenny!? take your head out of kenny's imaginary ass. maybe then you'll see what kind of broken man he became.
you can't honestly expect a child to make a wise choice in that situation. Even if you don't cut off her arm she still dies DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR so she was a dead woman either way! It is not Clem's fault that idiot got bit. All she had to do was keep moving forward slowly. SHE COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT!!!!
Kenny should've helped Lee because put Duck out of his misery. Kenny even thanks Lee for doing it.
Arvo was neutral even though he hated Ken and Clem. He didn't pose a threat to the group so no he was a "bad" guy.
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Be fair, they were being horrible to each other, so they should get equal treatment for the things they said.
see the likes baby,they shows whose decisions mean nothing
So that just applies on Kenny right? Why doesn't that apply on Jane too?
She's been almost the whole ZA, and you got Kenny shouting on her she's worth nothing and she doesn't care about anybody, yet she saved Kenny's life a few hours ago against the russians. We could say she was "sad" too, so if you justify Kenny then you must justify Jane too.
But Lee hasnt lost family. Every character in the game must have some form of PTSD by now. Now imagine being in almost the same situation as season 1 - whilst suffering from PTSD. Kenny loses the woman he loves, again. Hes with the same girl he helped protect 2 years ago, and now he has a baby to look after. Because no-one else is interested, by default he is a father again.
Can you think what that would do to anyone, the fear of losing it all a second time.
If Lee had lost a wife, or a child. Or even Clem in season 1. Then was faced with an eerily similar situation 2 years later. He'd probably have trouble keeping his emotions in check too!
Kenny has suffered a different kind of pain to the rest of the group. Im not saying a worse pain. But a different one.
He lost a child, no-one else did, and you cant compare the loss of a friend, a relative or a parent to losing a child.
Its something many people never recover from, so personally I think Kenny is holding his shit together better than most would!
No-one knows that, she dies on the same log in the same place no matter which option you chose. The fact is, in the days before hospitals and modern medicine, giving birth was life threatening for the woman. And thats what it is in the ZA. Think back to what happened to Lori on the TV show
We can speculate all we want on the matter, but Im not talking about how Jane handled her in just that moment, Im talking about the time leading up to it in the minutes before
i just mentioned the best way to be happy at the end of the game
see the likes.they mean something
First of all, im not a troll. Second, i am just speculating about Rebeccas survival if they gave her enough time to recover.
She gave us pretty good idea what happened. They escaped bunch of walkers to the roof and her sister refused to jump to next roof.
He can hadle frustration just fine. Except, you know, when the writers start pilling shit on him. Besides:
Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?
Spoiler alert: nope, nope.
Remember Reggie? You know, the bitten guy who got his arm cut and survived?
If you don´t help him kill Larry, regardless of whatever else you chose, Kenny distrust of Lee plus is own guilt make him refuse. If you help him kill Larry, but you don´t back him and his family, he will also refuse. I think is pretty clear why. Kenny character is centered on family-literally everything he does is centered on family.
Kenny:…You didn´t help my family, so excuse me if I don´t bend backwards for you.
Apart for that, you can´t really say that Kenny refusing to help Lee makes him bad or something like that. Is just one impulsive decision. Is attitude quickly changes when Lee returns-having time to cool down-, and he shows that regardless of what he thinks of Lee Kenny is not the type of person who could stand by idly when a child suffers.
Kenny: We are going to get that little girl back, with or without you.
TO Kenny, Arvo is just like Carver, just another bad guy. Arvo leaded his group to Clem´s group, nearly had all of them killed, and he was increasingly certain that he was just lying to save his own skin. Plus, you know, the part Arvo played in the death of Luke.
I did not say that. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
He came to the only logical conclusion. Jane was unharmed despite losing the child, so she abandoned it because a baby, in a snowstorm persued by zombies, is only a libiality.
AJ supposed death.
That is confirming that AJ is death.
Once again, read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want.
well she insulted him with everyone and everything he loved and he said she is nothing.... not quite the same I say
she just wanted him to snap if she did that to nick or clem then nick would shoot her too and you would still choose janes side , i hope she dies in the first 5 minutes of season 3 and gets what she deserves... an zombie abush with no getting away an clem beeing able to say "thats for Kenny"
What have you done? you have just made the Kenny vs Jane war raise the flames HIGHER! You fool!
and it was a big risk with a baby and a child , luckily there were no walkers but it could have ben crawling with them
wellington was cold an walkers can hardly move
saying she did not start the fight.... lol
and i'm out of here
kenny stayed to guard the boat in S1 so whats your point?
Kenny did what almost everyone would do in the same situation except maybe the trolling jane fans who can't have a argument without saying kenny is a psycho(forgetting jane didn't want to stop when outside an was going for THE KILL) kenny was protecting himself and if in the game jane didn't talk to clem first so we wouldn't know her plan then maybe i would've chosen her but no she made clear that she kills very easily leaves everyone behind who nees stimulation and if you stand up to her you will have to fight for your life ...
But NO its all kenny... facepalm
Constantly, from the minute they woke that day?
Anyone else think Kenny and Jane were both good peolpe but were morally flawed in some ways?
So you expect person like Jane to tell about her past to strangers?
You're so right!
Jane probably shot her sister in the leg, causing the walkers to come towards them. Jane then escaped to the roof, but was surprised that her - now wounded - sister was able to follow her.
Seeing that this wouldn't do, she started shouting loudly whilst beating up her sister - thus luring the walkers to the roof whilst making sure her sister couldn't possibly escape.
Or were you trying to imply something else? I get confused easily, so it's entirely possible.
I was implying that she wouldnt just share her past with complete strangers... Are you stupid or just a troll?
If I replied to you, then I did it wrong 0.o
I was trying to reply to @ALIENANGIE - since he seemed to be implying that, since we haven't heard a minute description of all that happened, we have grounds to believe that Jane did something horrible
EDIT: But thanks for the name-calling, makes me feel all fuzzy!
If some one is trying to kill you what would you do? Kenny didn't want the fight to stop either when they were outside so whats YOUR point? She tried to kill someone who wanted to kill her. I find that extremely funny a kenny fiend would have problem with this. Did Kenny not do the same thing when he killed a certain someone with a salt lick? Kenny stayed to guard the boat. He did a real good too. #sarcasm.
Kenny jumped on Jane because he was trying to protect himself...............sheathing knife and saying stay away from me = assault in Kenny world, right? The fight was all Kenny's fault. Like it or not.
"He can hadle frustration just fine. Except, you know, when the writers start pilling shit on him."
Those two sentences contradict each other. Ooops my bad I forgot to say spoiler alert.........oh well.
"Does this mean Kenny is going to snap?"
When you apply enough pressure to anything it will snap. Nuff said.
"Remember Reggie? You know, the bitten guy who got his arm cut and survived?" Spoiler alert: THAT'S WHY CLEM CUT OFF HER ARM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR
Besides, Reggie's situation was different. He was not surrounded by a herd of zombies. She was as good as dead.
"Kenny:…You didn´t help my family, so excuse me if I don´t bend backwards for you."
Yeah I found that's statement from Kenny very hilarious. Lee did something for Duck that Kenny was too much of a wuss to do. He put the boy out of his misery. So yeah Kenny should have bend backwards and then some because Lee took care of his son. That's still in my opinion is not a good reason to pretty much say eff Clem. Which is what Kenny did when you think about it. And you honestly want us to believe this psycho cares about Clem. I don't believe it.
"TO Kenny, Arvo is just like Carver"
Which is why allot of people are saying Kenny lost it.
"Arvo leaded his group to Clem´s group"
Did Arvo have a choice in the matter? Ask yourself that.
"nearly had all of them killed"
No the people with the guns nearly had all of them killed. Arvo tried to stop it before it got out of hand.
"he was increasingly certain that he was just lying to save his own skin."
But Kenny was wrong. Everything Arvo said his group had was 100% true. Yes he did infact tell them about it to save his skin though.....but what human being, who is face to face with a psycho, wouldn't?
"Plus, you know, the part Arvo played in the death of Luke."
You're soooo right. Now that you mentioned it I remember seeing Arvo turn around and use the force on the ice where Luke was standing.
"I did not say that. Please stop putting words in my mouth."
This is what you said: "First of all, Kenny knew Jane had that mentally, that others only drag you down. Second, he knew she was hostile to him. Third, she was not hurt in any way despite losing the child."
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"Second, he knew she was hostile to him."
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Second, he knew she was hostile to him.
I did not put any word in your mouth sir. Maybe you should be cautious about how you word your statements.
"a baby, in a snowstorm persued by zombies, is only a libiality."
Snowstorms slow zombies down. They would not have been able nor where they able to follow Jane. Kenny should have realized that when he made it to that building.
"AJ supposed death."
Jane never said what the accident was.
"That is confirming that AJ is death."
No it don't. The only thing that was confirmed was Aj's absence.
"Once again, read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want."
Once again screw you.
No, I'm saying that we don't know what happened. We only know what Jane said happened, yet everyone is automatically saying she din the right thing.
From the way she handled Sarah, whether you leave her to be eaten, or save her. She is very, very quick to suggest leaving her to save her own skin. She doent even try to help her, even though there was time and she could be helped. First playthrough I believed Jane and I left her. When I realised she could be saved, I was disgusted with Jane and myself.
We have no way of knowing if she did the same with her sister or not.
Sure, she hates what she did. But we dont know what happened.
All I know is, is that she has no problem at all sacrificing others to save herself.
Well it aint Sixflags it the zombie apocalypse where "normal" people can't be trusted an the others try to eat you alive so I guess its normal to be paranoid in that scenario...
Isn't it ironic that I shot Kenny.
When outide he is defending himself because jane won't stop and won't shed the knife again and she already cut him badly.. (he doen't die of it because the ending takes place 9 days later)
Jane started it because of the "death"of AJ and attacking averyone/everything he loved, and than after he said she's nothing she wants to run again, Kenny: Running again huh? Well there's a fucking shocker...
Yeah I would let them shoot me defending the boat that would help... facepalm
Actually, nope. He can handle frustration just fine… Then Duck and Katjaa get killed off. He can hadle frustration just fine… Then Sarita gets killed off.
Is not enough pressure for Kenny.
SHE DID NOT HAVE TO BE STUPID ENOUGTH TO CUT THE ARM OFF IN A WALKER HERD DUUUUUUUUUUUUUR, WHICH LEADS TO SARITA´S DEATH, WHICH MAKES IT CLEM´S FAULT DUUUUUUUUUUUUUR.
If you don´t help him kill Larry, regardless of whatever else you chose, Kenny distrust of Lee plus is own guilt make him refuse. If you help him kill Larry, but you don´t back him and his family, he will also refuse. How is hard to understand that? Besides, is just one impulsive decision. Is attitude quickly changes when Lee returns-having time to cool down-, and he shows that regardless of what he thinks of Lee Kenny is not the type of person who could stand by idly when a child suffers.
Arvo=Bad guy.
Carver=Bad guy.
Did Kenny know that? Lol, nope. Besides, you are ignoring that is very probable that regardless of what you do he comes back for revenge.
When he saw they had a baby. Before then he was just fine with it. Besides, you are ignoring that thief´s are slow killers. Robbing Clem´s group is the same as killing Clem´s group.
And?
Who got him shoot in the first place? Who ran across the lake?
Maybe you should not jump to conclusions, sir. Which you did. That I say that he knew she was hostile to him does not mean I say she abandoned the baby out of spite.
They were moving. Did you miss that part in which Jane runs off, leaving Clem in the car, because Walkers were pursuing her or what?
She says she did not kill AJ, that it was accident. Which means that AJ had died, but it was accident, not a killing. How is hard to understand that? Are you serious or just trolling?
Well that's pretty much how Jane has become after the incident with first her group and next her sister. It doesn't mean that she just left her sister, it means that leaving her sister left her so broken that this is her first instinct.
I left Sarah to die, and I don't regret that decision. Luke had been trying for hours to get some reaction from her - nothing. I'm not going to risk my life on the narcissistic assumption that "I am special, so therefore I can save her".
The way Jane was, and the things she has experienced, I wasn't even expecting her help finding Luke and Sarah. But she did. And seeing Sarah her first instinct was to leave her, but she didn't just up and go. She stayed with Luke and Clem to try and save their lives. You may argue that she was wrong in that attempt - that their lives weren't at risk or that there was plenty of time. But Jane had experienced the car-incident - the guy stuck under the car, 3 (I think) group members die to save him, and then he was bit anyway and kills an old lady. She had literally seen member after member of her previous group die, in a futile attempt to save someone who was already dead. Coupled with how Sarah must remind her of her sister on that roof, and I think it's highly understandable what Jane did.
he almost lost it when duck and kat died. he almost lost it when sarita died. kenny was slowly getting closer and closer to the edge. he snapped when he beat up a crippled kid. i would have did what jane did and tried to make Clem see that kenny is at the point of no return.
its not enough pressure for kenny!? take your head out of kenny's imaginary ass. maybe then you'll see what kind of broken man he became.
you can't honestly expect a child to make a wise choice in that situation. Even if you don't cut off her arm she still dies DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR so she was a dead woman either way! It is not Clem's fault that idiot got bit. All she had to do was keep moving forward slowly. SHE COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT!!!!
Kenny should've helped Lee because put Duck out of his misery. Kenny even thanks Lee for doing it.
Arvo was neutral even though he hated Ken and Clem. He didn't pose a threat to the group so no he was a "bad" guy.
Did Kenny know it!? What kind of stupid question is that? He was crippled, wimpy, and he didn't have. That should have been a dead give away. But I'm guessing Ken don't pay attention details. Especially the details that stand out.
Arvo come back for revenge.......what in the hell can he do to harm them? he had no weapon, theres no way he would've been able to track the group in the snow storm. Plus he can hardly run so he would be too occupied trying to avoid zombies. Kenny was simply paranoid. Yeah the man lost it.
And Arvo wasn't almost robbed? Also again did Arvo have a choice in the matter? Was he not forced to lead his sister and those guys to Clem's group? It should have been obvious that his sister was the one in charge.
How did Arvo get Luke shot? It was Luke's fault. He had a safe position until he decided to move. Arvo had nothing to do with the shooting. Now how did Arvo running have anything to do with the ice breaking where Luke was standing?
And?.......Kenny was wrong.......what else needs to be said?
I didn't to anything. I read what you said and threw your own words back at you. Be careful of your words from now on.
Did you miss the part when you walking Clem through the storm? They were standing still. As you can see they didn't pursue Jane to the car where she hid Aj so that means they stopped chasing her.
Yes she said she didn't kill Aj which means what? That she didn't abandon him.
............what?
............again.....what? the boat was a horrible idea. How were they suppose to survive in that tiny thing?
They were going to look for another town/village in that boat, they could go to shore anywhere so and its safe in that boat...
Its still safer then roaming the streets, it was 1 of the safest options
But I guess you are what this topic is all about....
Arvo was not just a crippled kid. He was the same one that nearly had all of Clem´s group killed. A bad guy, a enemy, whatever you want to call it.
He is broken, yes, so what? Like I said, in the only scenario where he ends up taking care of AJ by the end of season 2, he has Clem to help her.
And? Leaving aside that Clem is far for a normal child, making a choice means you are responsible for the consequences. And said consequence was Sarita´s death, so her death was Clem´s fault.
Clem could have killed the walker, help Sarita, and once they were not sorruoded by walkers explain and cut her arm off. And she did not do it.
If you don´t help him kill Larry, regardless of whatever else you chose, Kenny distrust of Lee plus is own guilt make him refuse. If you help him kill Larry, but you don´t back him and his family, he will also refuse. I think is pretty clear why. Kenny character is centered on family-literally everything he does is centered on family.Besides, is just one impulsive decision. Is attitude quickly changes when Lee returns-having time to cool down-, and he shows that regardless of what he thinks of Lee Kenny is not the type of person who could stand by idly when a child suffers.
No a threath? The gun figth with the Russians was mostly Arvo´s fault. Of course he was a fucking threat. And he was perfectly okay with the Russians robbing Clem´s group, which could have killed then. Besides, Arvo was no neutral. He glares and Clem at the unfished house, while she is about to freeze to death, because she did not die. He hated Clem.
And?
Yes. With all the Russians were dead and Arvo did not have the advantage anymore.
So what? The attempted robbery and the gun figth with the Russians was mostly Arvo´s fault.
I am talking about Amid The Ruins, when you have the choice to rob him or not. Is very probable that regardless of what you do he comes back for revenge.
And? You are pulling shit that does not even have to do with this.
Is pretty clear he was far for forced. He blamed Clem´s group for the meds he stole for his sister, and nearly got Clem´s group killed because of that.
First of all, Buricko seemed to be the one in charge. Second, his sister was not in charge. Third, Clem´s group does not know Russian.
The gun figth was his fault, so yes, Arvo got Luke shot.
Did him running worsen the situation? Yes, it did.
That you are talking about him like a madmad, and I am saying that his thougth process on those times was pretty clear and reasonable.
I am going to repeat myself: Maybe you should not jump to conclusions, sir. Which you did. That I say that he knew she was hostile to him does not mean I say she abandoned the baby out of spite.
Because they could not hear her in the snowstorm, not because they were frozen. If you get close enougth to them, they move and kill Clem. Besides, the snowstorm is much less intense near the Rest Stop.
No, it means the baby was death but it was not deliberate, but a accident.