It's a perfectly good example, it's you and your family against anyone who dares hurt you and your family. Soldiers consider each other brothers, and will fight and kill to protect their family. If my friend indirectly caused my other friend's whole family to die, I would understand why he wanted to leave that person behind, even though that person was my friend.
I don't want to offend anyone who has been through situations like this, but I liken it to soldiers who go into war together, even if they d… moreidn't know each other, they shared a bond because they were surviving alongside one another and shared that bond, it's camaraderie in presence of one another.
Poor example, considering that soldiers with against common enemy, while in za, people fight each other and walkers. Kenny wanted to leave behind Ben and i dont think i could be friends with someone after they wanted to let my friend die.
Poor example, considering that soldiers with against common enemy, while in za, people fight each other and walkers. Kenny wanted to leave behind Ben and i dont think i could be friends with someone after they wanted to let my friend die.
Walkers were the main enemy, they all worked together to survive through those. Bandits were also a common enemy they fought. So yeah, they worked together against a common enemy.
I don't want to offend anyone who has been through situations like this, but I liken it to soldiers who go into war together, even if they d… moreidn't know each other, they shared a bond because they were surviving alongside one another and shared that bond, it's camaraderie in presence of one another.
Poor example, considering that soldiers with against common enemy, while in za, people fight each other and walkers. Kenny wanted to leave behind Ben and i dont think i could be friends with someone after they wanted to let my friend die.
I could have linked a better article but this is what I got from a simple google search since I don't need to find super deep peer reviewed papers about something everyone should understand from living on planet earth for at least 10+ years.
I don't want to offend anyone who has been through situations like this, but I liken it to soldiers who go into war together, even if they d… moreidn't know each other, they shared a bond because they were surviving alongside one another and shared that bond, it's camaraderie in presence of one another.
Poor example, considering that soldiers with against common enemy, while in za, people fight each other and walkers. Kenny wanted to leave behind Ben and i dont think i could be friends with someone after they wanted to let my friend die.
Anyone could have stayed there three more seconds and put a bullet in the kid's head. However, Kenny showed the kind of man he truly is and tried to get him out of there until there was truly no way out. Instead of going "Oh well, you're done" and point blank shooting him, he got out of there with the freedom to say "I did all I could."
I was about to reply with something along those lines, but you beat me to it. I completely agree.
Anyone could have stayed there three more seconds and put a bullet in the kid's head. However, Kenny showed the kind of man he truly is and … moretried to get him out of there until there was truly no way out. Instead of going "Oh well, you're done" and point blank shooting him, he got out of there with the freedom to say "I did all I could."
he seemed a bit suicidal.
That's debatable, to say the least. Unless you have a formidable argument ready for me explaining how someone who wants to die can escape 30 walkers or so.
Except from Clementines pov, Kenny wanted to abandon/kill her friend and Clementine was only 8. You cant expect someone at that age to understand such thing. And like i've said many times before, they didnt talk with each other pretty much at all, as far as we know it and the dialogues in the lodge are just proving this. Just being around someone doesnt automatically make you their close friend.
It's a perfectly good example, it's you and your family against anyone who dares hurt you and your family. Soldiers consider each other brot… morehers, and will fight and kill to protect their family. If my friend indirectly caused my other friend's whole family to die, I would understand why he wanted to leave that person behind, even though that person was my friend.
She didn't understand at first, but after two years on the run with Christa, I think she has matured enough to understand why Kenny was so angry with Ben. They were at the motel for 3 months, TTG can't show us every single interaction, a lot happened off screen most likely. Also, Lee was the main character, we really only saw his interactions. If he wasn't interacting with someone, you didn't see that person. If you have survived together for that long, and have known each other since the apocalypse began, you would definitely feel close to that person, even if you didn't talk all the time.
Except from Clementines pov, Kenny wanted to abandon/kill her friend and Clementine was only 8. You cant expect someone at that age to under… morestand such thing. And like i've said many times before, they didnt talk with each other pretty much at all, as far as we know it and the dialogues in the lodge are just proving this. Just being around someone doesnt automatically make you their close friend.
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However, Kenny showed the kind of man he truly is and tried to get him out of there until there was truly no way out.
He gave up on the kid long before there was no time to escape
He spent the time he could use to escape by talking with Lee. After he locked the door, walker came to him and he just started beating and and then he went to Ben and shot him. There was literally no reason to do so.
Unless you have a formidable argument ready for me explaining how someone who wants to die can escape 30 walkers or so.
He locks the door and says "Lee...Lee It's okay", with im ready to die voice. Dont you think that Kenny surviving that situation was complete bs? The one where he saved Christa was possible to survive, but the one in that alley, there was no way. Writers...
Anyone could have stayed there three more seconds and put a bullet in the kid's head. However, Kenny showed the kind of man he truly is and … moretried to get him out of there until there was truly no way out. Instead of going "Oh well, you're done" and point blank shooting him, he got out of there with the freedom to say "I did all I could."
he seemed a bit suicidal.
That's debatable, to say the least. Unless you have a formidable argument ready for me explaining how someone who wants to die can escape 30 walkers or so.
And every moment in game is not every moment with Clementine. It's every moment with Lee. There are plenty of chances for them to hav e had a relationship, even a minor one, off camera. That you lack the imagination doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened.
Clementine not knowing Kenny well is not something you get to decide on behalf of everyone, the choice of saying he's a old friend is just a… mores valid as saying you don't know him that well.
Why would the writers put option for Clementine to be honest and say that she doesnt actually know Kenny that well? Every moment we see in the game, they dont talk with each other. Only conversation i can think of is when Kenny wanted to leave Ben behind and Clementine stepped up and defended her friend. This scene is of course determinant, since Clementine can stay at the house.
So, he gave up on Ben after sacrificing his life and then escaped a massive horde even though he wanted to die. I'm sorry, I can't follow your pattern.
He was fighting off the walkers. Was he supposed to just sit next to Ben or stupidly continue his attempts at trying to un-stuck him? Kenny already knew that wasn't gonna work, not with that many walkers on top of them.
He says that because he thought it was it for him. Why would you mistake someone giving their final goodbye with wanting to die? If you're locked in an alley and see about 30 dead bodies walking towards you it's completely logical to think you ran out of luck. Even if it was BS, it has little to nothing to do with what we're talking about.
However, Kenny showed the kind of man he truly is and tried to get him out of there until there was truly no way out.
He gave up on … morethe kid long before there was no time to escape
He spent the time he could use to escape by talking with Lee. After he locked the door, walker came to him and he just started beating and and then he went to Ben and shot him. There was literally no reason to do so.
Unless you have a formidable argument ready for me explaining how someone who wants to die can escape 30 walkers or so.
He locks the door and says "Lee...Lee It's okay", with im ready to die voice. Dont you think that Kenny surviving that situation was complete bs? The one where he saved Christa was possible to survive, but the one in that alley, there was no way. Writers...
Yeah, but when something happens when you are a kid, it can easily traumatize you, or you just remember it. Lion king? Iron giant? I still remember those and the tears i shed.
Still, Clementine can admit that she doesnt actually know Kenny that well, implying that they didnt talk at all or not much.
She didn't understand at first, but after two years on the run with Christa, I think she has matured enough to understand why Kenny was so a… morengry with Ben. They were at the motel for 3 months, TTG can't show us every single interaction, a lot happened off screen most likely. Also, Lee was the main character, we really only saw his interactions. If he wasn't interacting with someone, you didn't see that person. If you have survived together for that long, and have known each other since the apocalypse began, you would definitely feel close to that person, even if you didn't talk all the time.
You can't base an assumption to have a relationship make sense, it doesn't work like that, and besides, there's no evidence after you come back to Kenny and Clem in a few episodes when you were off doing something else.
And every moment in game is not every moment with Clementine. It's every moment with Lee. There are plenty of chances for them to hav e had … morea relationship, even a minor one, off camera. That you lack the imagination doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened.
So, he gave up on Ben after sacrificing his life and then escaped a massive horde even though he wanted to die. I'm sorry, I can't follow yo… moreur pattern.
He was fighting off the walkers. Was he supposed to just sit next to Ben or stupidly continue his attempts at trying to un-stuck him? Kenny already knew that wasn't gonna work, not with that many walkers on top of them.
He says that because he thought it was it for him. Why would you mistake someone giving their final goodbye with wanting to die? If you're locked in an alley and see about 30 dead bodies walking towards you it's completely logical to think you ran out of luck. Even if it was BS, it has little to nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Even if they weren't friends, they shared a bond nonetheless. Even if it was forced, there is still some sort of connection between them. If you want to hate Kenny and have your Clem hate Kenny, then fine, do it. But other people have their way of playing this game and they choose to care about their bond.
Except from Clementines pov, Kenny wanted to abandon/kill her friend and Clementine was only 8. You cant expect someone at that age to under… morestand such thing. And like i've said many times before, they didnt talk with each other pretty much at all, as far as we know it and the dialogues in the lodge are just proving this. Just being around someone doesnt automatically make you their close friend.
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And every moment in game is not every moment with Clementine. It's every moment with Lee. There are plenty of chances for them to hav e had … morea relationship, even a minor one, off camera. That you lack the imagination doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened.
Even if they weren't friends, they shared a bond nonetheless. Even if it was forced, there is still some sort of connection between them. If… more you want to hate Kenny and have your Clem hate Kenny, then fine, do it. But other people have their way of playing this game and they choose to care about their bond.
No I'm not, I'm saying that Clementine saying he's a old friend is just as much of an admission. Your choice is not "the right one" any more than mine.
You can't base an assumption to have a relationship make sense, it doesn't work like that, and besides, there's no evidence after you come back to Kenny and Clem in a few episodes when you were off doing something else.
He could have easily shot Ben and come to safety, but instead he stays there and "dies". It was uncessesary "sacrifice" and not heroic, just… more stupid.
But honestly, i cant use logic or reasoning for that scene anymore, since the writers fucked it up so badly with season 2 Kenny.
You dont just bond with others simply by being around them, but never actually talk with them. By your logic, everyone in school (or work) class should be the best friends after 9 years of school, simply because they were around each other. But reality of course shows otherwise
Even if they weren't friends, they shared a bond nonetheless. Even if it was forced, there is still some sort of connection between them. If… more you want to hate Kenny and have your Clem hate Kenny, then fine, do it. But other people have their way of playing this game and they choose to care about their bond.
There is no way we can know every single thing that happened in Season 1. We have time skips, things happened between them. For all we know, they did interact with one another and had a bond to share. Don't we also have an implied relationship between Lee and Carley? Did we ever seen anything romantic happen between them? Aside from the things we can derteminently do or say?
Look. I don't have evidence to prove that Kenny and Clem have a 'friendship', and I doubt anything is going to change your mind anyways. But I have every right to feel that they did and they do, and just because you don't want others to feel a bond with Kenny doesn't mean you have to go out and try and devalidate their opinion of him and Clem.
You want to know the reason that Clem can says she doesn't like Kenny and she doesn't trust him? Because TellTale gave us that chance to have our Clem feel that way. This forced relationship that happens is from then on Kenny's action. In the end, you can still fucking kill Kenny. How much more is it forced at this point?
You dont just bond with others simply by being around them, but never actually talk with them. By your logic, everyone in school (or work) c… morelass should be the best friends after 9 years of school, simply because they were around each other. But reality of course shows otherwise
[Hug Kenny] is there for people who were happy to see Kenny again, I was one of those people, and Clem did have a big relationship with Katjaa and Duck, so seeing him reminds her of better times with Lee.
We have had at least two threads about this saying the same exact things, not really sure why you felt like making a new one.You did see those threads.. right?
What is so unbearably difficult to understand that there* was likely an off screen relationship? Clementine didn't visibly really interact with anyone outside of Lee. According to your logic that would mean no one cared about her at all, outside of Lee.
You don't survive under the circumstances that they did with one another over a period of months and not form some kind of relationship. That is just unrealistic. You can care about someone and not openly show it. Heck, even Vernon cared about Clementine, to the extent that he wanted to take her with him. He hadn't once interacted with her on screen before expressing this desire.
He could have easily shot Ben and come to safety, but instead he stays there and "dies". It was uncessesary "sacrifice" and not heroic, just… more stupid.
But honestly, i cant use logic or reasoning for that scene anymore, since the writers fucked it up so badly with season 2 Kenny.
Because Telltale keep insisting that Kenny and Clem must have this father daughter bond and make his death more emotional and tragic than other characters deaths.
There is no way we can know every single thing that happened in Season 1. We have time skips, things happened between them. For all we know,… more they did interact with one another and had a bond to share. Don't we also have an implied relationship between Lee and Carley? Did we ever seen anything romantic happen between them? Aside from the things we can derteminently do or say?
Look. I don't have evidence to prove that Kenny and Clem have a 'friendship', and I doubt anything is going to change your mind anyways. But I have every right to feel that they did and they do, and just because you don't want others to feel a bond with Kenny doesn't mean you have to go out and try and devalidate their opinion of him and Clem.
You want to know the reason that Clem can says she doesn't like Kenny and she doesn't trust him? Because TellTale gave us that chance to have our Clem feel that way. This forced relationship that happens is from then on Kenny'… [view original content]
Because Telltale keep insisting that Kenny and Clem must have this father daughter bond and make his death more emotional and tragic than other characters deaths.
No I'm not, I'm saying that Clementine saying he's a old friend is just as much of an admission. Your choice is not "the right one" any more than mine.
There is no way we can know every single thing that happened in Season 1. We have time skips, things happened between them. For all we know,… more they did interact with one another and had a bond to share. Don't we also have an implied relationship between Lee and Carley? Did we ever seen anything romantic happen between them? Aside from the things we can derteminently do or say?
Look. I don't have evidence to prove that Kenny and Clem have a 'friendship', and I doubt anything is going to change your mind anyways. But I have every right to feel that they did and they do, and just because you don't want others to feel a bond with Kenny doesn't mean you have to go out and try and devalidate their opinion of him and Clem.
You want to know the reason that Clem can says she doesn't like Kenny and she doesn't trust him? Because TellTale gave us that chance to have our Clem feel that way. This forced relationship that happens is from then on Kenny'… [view original content]
We have had at least two threads about this saying the same exact things, not really sure why you felt like making a new one.You did see tho… morese threads.. right?
What is so unbearably difficult to understand that there* was likely an off screen relationship? Clementine didn't visibly really interact with anyone outside of Lee. According to your logic that would mean no one cared about her at all, outside of Lee.
You don't survive under the circumstances that they did with one another over a period of months and not form some kind of relationship. That is just unrealistic. You can care about someone and not openly show it. Heck, even Vernon cared about Clementine, to the extent that he wanted to take her with him. He hadn't once interacted with her on screen before expressing this desire.
That's not for you to decide for anyone but yourself; yes she can state that, but she can also not.
It's a player choice, therefore it is completely up to the player to decide how much they think Clementine felt for Kenny. The point of it, of a telltale game, is that it is our choice.
What is so unbearably difficult to understand that their was likely an off screen relationship?
Simply because she can say that she doesnt actually know Kenny that well, implying that they didnt talk at all, or much? As far as we know, there is only 3 times Kenny and Clementine even talked with each other, 2 of them being group conversations. First one in the car at Strangers supplies, 2nd at the train, 3rd at Crawford.
Kenny also wanted to leave/kill her friend Ben, so i cant see why she would have too friendly connection to him.
We have had at least two threads about this saying the same exact things, not really sure why you felt like making a new one.You did see tho… morese threads.. right?
What is so unbearably difficult to understand that there* was likely an off screen relationship? Clementine didn't visibly really interact with anyone outside of Lee. According to your logic that would mean no one cared about her at all, outside of Lee.
You don't survive under the circumstances that they did with one another over a period of months and not form some kind of relationship. That is just unrealistic. You can care about someone and not openly show it. Heck, even Vernon cared about Clementine, to the extent that he wanted to take her with him. He hadn't once interacted with her on screen before expressing this desire.
[Hug Kenny] is there for people who were happy to see Kenny again, I was one of those people, and Clem did have a big relationship with Katjaa and Duck, so seeing him reminds her of better times with Lee.
I'd imagine that everything that has happened since Lee first met Clem has traumatized her and forced her to grow up. There wasn't much anyone could do to protect her innocence without condemning her to death.(like Duck or Sarah) Her trauma was inevitable.
She still knew him as an adult in her life that was protecting her and the group, and she played with his son for a while too. It'd be a bit odd if Clem just strolled over to strike up a conversation with Kenny. Same if it was reversed, because Lee was Clem's guardian at the time, not Kenny.
Yeah, but when something happens when you are a kid, it can easily traumatize you, or you just remember it. Lion king? Iron giant? I still r… moreemember those and the tears i shed.
Still, Clementine can admit that she doesnt actually know Kenny that well, implying that they didnt talk at all or not much.
In the end, you can still fucking kill Kenny. How much more is it forced at this point?
Exactly. You can put a bullet in the man... … moreyet somehow this relationship is still considered "forced"?
Even before that, you can openly act out against Kenny. You are never really forced to openly return his trust and affection.
We have had at least two threads about this saying the same exact things, not really sure why you felt like making a new one.You did see tho… morese threads.. right?
What is so unbearably difficult to understand that there* was likely an off screen relationship? Clementine didn't visibly really interact with anyone outside of Lee. According to your logic that would mean no one cared about her at all, outside of Lee.
You don't survive under the circumstances that they did with one another over a period of months and not form some kind of relationship. That is just unrealistic. You can care about someone and not openly show it. Heck, even Vernon cared about Clementine, to the extent that he wanted to take her with him. He hadn't once interacted with her on screen before expressing this desire.
Well, in my game Kenny was kind to Clem no matter what he thought of Lee, he helped me find Clem and was going sacrifice himself to put a kid out of his misery, that was very noble and heroic of him, and I respect him for that.
"You can care about someone and not openly show it."
Give me some proper, solid evidence of Clem holding back her feelings for Kenny in season 1, then we'll talk. The picture doesn't count because it's more of a tribute to Kenny's family than Kenny himself considering Kat and Duck died. The "Duck is sick " line doesn't count because it's concern for Duck than for Kenny
"even Vernon cared about Clementine, to the extent that he wanted to take her with him. He hadn't once interacted with her on screen before expressing this desire."
But it's like not he's suddenly shows up and acts like Clem was always his daughter and suddenly cares about her like a daughter, That's the problem with Kenny, there's really no concrete, solid evidence that the two had a friendship bond in the first season, there was nothing there at all, and even after the time skip, and the times you weren't around, there's no evidence that there was* likely *any bond between those two.
"Clementine didn't visibly really interact with anyone outside of Lee."
Wrong, she interacted with Katjaa, and according to Duck and Clem herself, she interacted with Duck, she also interacts with Ben, but only in Starved For Help. Kenny though? Nope, not even a mention of interaction.
We have had at least two threads about this saying the same exact things, not really sure why you felt like making a new one.You did see tho… morese threads.. right?
What is so unbearably difficult to understand that there* was likely an off screen relationship? Clementine didn't visibly really interact with anyone outside of Lee. According to your logic that would mean no one cared about her at all, outside of Lee.
You don't survive under the circumstances that they did with one another over a period of months and not form some kind of relationship. That is just unrealistic. You can care about someone and not openly show it. Heck, even Vernon cared about Clementine, to the extent that he wanted to take her with him. He hadn't once interacted with her on screen before expressing this desire.
Honestly, I didn't feel a father daughter bond was in play until the Wellington ending. Kenny was more of a father figure to AJ in that one episode than he ever was to Clem. I always thought that Kenny viewed Clem as a child, but a competent one at that, and he had a child, so yeah, he may have treated Clem like he would've treated his own child. But there's no telling whether or not Kenny even reciprocates such a feeling of being her 'father figure' or if Clem views Kenny in such a way.
If your problem is with how the writers wrote their relationship then that's fine. I still like the relationship my Clem and Kenny have, because it's not perfect, but it's still something I care about.
Because Telltale keep insisting that Kenny and Clem must have this father daughter bond and make his death more emotional and tragic than other characters deaths.
Your logic really doesnt make any sense. She can state atleast those 2 facts when Luke/their table asks about Kenny. Yes, Kenny was her old friend. Yes, she didnt not know him that well.
Its not up to the player to decide how well Clementine knew Kenny.
That's not for you to decide for anyone but yourself; yes she can state that, but she can also not.
It's a player choice, therefore it is… more completely up to the player to decide how much they think Clementine felt for Kenny. The point of it, of a telltale game, is that it is our choice.
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It's a perfectly good example, it's you and your family against anyone who dares hurt you and your family. Soldiers consider each other brothers, and will fight and kill to protect their family. If my friend indirectly caused my other friend's whole family to die, I would understand why he wanted to leave that person behind, even though that person was my friend.
Walkers were the main enemy, they all worked together to survive through those. Bandits were also a common enemy they fought. So yeah, they worked together against a common enemy.
Yeah sure, surprised, but [hug Kenny]? No.
Nope, best example. Everyone knows that humans bond through hard times.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-stress-of-disaster-brings-people-together/
I could have linked a better article but this is what I got from a simple google search since I don't need to find super deep peer reviewed papers about something everyone should understand from living on planet earth for at least 10+ years.
I was about to reply with something along those lines, but you beat me to it. I completely agree.
Except from Clementines pov, Kenny wanted to abandon/kill her friend and Clementine was only 8. You cant expect someone at that age to understand such thing. And like i've said many times before, they didnt talk with each other pretty much at all, as far as we know it and the dialogues in the lodge are just proving this. Just being around someone doesnt automatically make you their close friend.
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She didn't understand at first, but after two years on the run with Christa, I think she has matured enough to understand why Kenny was so angry with Ben. They were at the motel for 3 months, TTG can't show us every single interaction, a lot happened off screen most likely. Also, Lee was the main character, we really only saw his interactions. If he wasn't interacting with someone, you didn't see that person. If you have survived together for that long, and have known each other since the apocalypse began, you would definitely feel close to that person, even if you didn't talk all the time.
He gave up on the kid long before there was no time to escape
He spent the time he could use to escape by talking with Lee. After he locked the door, walker came to him and he just started beating and and then he went to Ben and shot him. There was literally no reason to do so.
He locks the door and says "Lee...Lee It's okay", with im ready to die voice. Dont you think that Kenny surviving that situation was complete bs? The one where he saved Christa was possible to survive, but the one in that alley, there was no way. Writers...
And every moment in game is not every moment with Clementine. It's every moment with Lee. There are plenty of chances for them to hav e had a relationship, even a minor one, off camera. That you lack the imagination doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened.
So, he gave up on Ben after sacrificing his life and then escaped a massive horde even though he wanted to die. I'm sorry, I can't follow your pattern.
He was fighting off the walkers. Was he supposed to just sit next to Ben or stupidly continue his attempts at trying to un-stuck him? Kenny already knew that wasn't gonna work, not with that many walkers on top of them.
He says that because he thought it was it for him. Why would you mistake someone giving their final goodbye with wanting to die? If you're locked in an alley and see about 30 dead bodies walking towards you it's completely logical to think you ran out of luck. Even if it was BS, it has little to nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Yeah, but when something happens when you are a kid, it can easily traumatize you, or you just remember it. Lion king? Iron giant? I still remember those and the tears i shed.
Still, Clementine can admit that she doesnt actually know Kenny that well, implying that they didnt talk at all or not much.
You can't base an assumption to have a relationship make sense, it doesn't work like that, and besides, there's no evidence after you come back to Kenny and Clem in a few episodes when you were off doing something else.
He could have easily shot Ben and come to safety, but instead he stays there and "dies". It was uncessesary "sacrifice" and not heroic, just stupid.
But honestly, i cant use logic or reasoning for that scene anymore, since the writers fucked it up so badly with season 2 Kenny.
Even if they weren't friends, they shared a bond nonetheless. Even if it was forced, there is still some sort of connection between them. If you want to hate Kenny and have your Clem hate Kenny, then fine, do it. But other people have their way of playing this game and they choose to care about their bond.
You are ignoring the fact that Clementine can admit she doesnt know Kenny that well.
Even if their bond is forced and doesn't feel natural or make any sense.
No I'm not, I'm saying that Clementine saying he's a old friend is just as much of an admission. Your choice is not "the right one" any more than mine.
That's your opinion and if that's how you perceived then fine.
What?
I already explained that.
Okidoki.
You dont just bond with others simply by being around them, but never actually talk with them. By your logic, everyone in school (or work) class should be the best friends after 9 years of school, simply because they were around each other. But reality of course shows otherwise
There is no way we can know every single thing that happened in Season 1. We have time skips, things happened between them. For all we know, they did interact with one another and had a bond to share. Don't we also have an implied relationship between Lee and Carley? Did we ever seen anything romantic happen between them? Aside from the things we can derteminently do or say?
Look. I don't have evidence to prove that Kenny and Clem have a 'friendship', and I doubt anything is going to change your mind anyways. But I have every right to feel that they did and they do, and just because you don't want others to feel a bond with Kenny doesn't mean you have to go out and try and devalidate their opinion of him and Clem.
You want to know the reason that Clem can says she doesn't like Kenny and she doesn't trust him? Because TellTale gave us that chance to have our Clem feel that way. This forced relationship that happens is from then on Kenny's action. In the end, you can still fucking kill Kenny. How much more is it forced at this point?
[Hug Kenny] is there for people who were happy to see Kenny again, I was one of those people, and Clem did have a big relationship with Katjaa and Duck, so seeing him reminds her of better times with Lee.
We have had at least two threads about this saying the same exact things, not really sure why you felt like making a new one.You did see those threads.. right?
What is so unbearably difficult to understand that there* was likely an off screen relationship? Clementine didn't visibly really interact with anyone outside of Lee. According to your logic that would mean no one cared about her at all, outside of Lee.
You don't survive under the circumstances that they did with one another over a period of months and not form some kind of relationship. That is just unrealistic. You can care about someone and not openly show it. Heck, even Vernon cared about Clementine, to the extent that he wanted to take her with him. He hadn't once interacted with her on screen before expressing this desire.
It's okay, we'll do it for you
Because Telltale keep insisting that Kenny and Clem must have this father daughter bond and make his death more emotional and tragic than other characters deaths.
What is this father-daughter bond you keep speaking of? Such a thing wasn't really apparent at all.
Its not matter of Clementines opinion...Yes, Kenny is her old friend, but she doesnt actually know him that well as she can state.
Exactly. You can put a bullet in the man... yet somehow this relationship is still considered "forced"?
Even before that, you can openly act out against Kenny. You are never really forced to openly return his trust and affection.
Exactly what I've been trying to say.
That's not for you to decide for anyone but yourself; yes she can state that, but she can also not.
It's a player choice, therefore it is completely up to the player to decide how much they think Clementine felt for Kenny. The point of it, of a telltale game, is that it is our choice.
Simply because she can say that she doesnt actually know Kenny that well, implying that they didnt talk at all, or much? As far as we know, there is only 3 times Kenny and Clementine even talked with each other, 2 of them being group conversations. First one in the car at Strangers supplies, 2nd at the train, 3rd at Crawford.
Kenny also wanted to leave/kill her friend Ben, so i cant see why she would have too friendly connection to him.
Not an excuse to hug a guy who wanted to murder your friend and who you didnt know well.
I'd imagine that everything that has happened since Lee first met Clem has traumatized her and forced her to grow up. There wasn't much anyone could do to protect her innocence without condemning her to death.(like Duck or Sarah) Her trauma was inevitable.
She still knew him as an adult in her life that was protecting her and the group, and she played with his son for a while too. It'd be a bit odd if Clem just strolled over to strike up a conversation with Kenny. Same if it was reversed, because Lee was Clem's guardian at the time, not Kenny.
It was forced hard from very begining and slow and steady later. Jane's started more realistically but ended up being same forced shit as Kenny's.
I played twdg today, so didnt have that much time to check the forums.
Well, in my game Kenny was kind to Clem no matter what he thought of Lee, he helped me find Clem and was going sacrifice himself to put a kid out of his misery, that was very noble and heroic of him, and I respect him for that.
"You can care about someone and not openly show it."
Give me some proper, solid evidence of Clem holding back her feelings for Kenny in season 1, then we'll talk. The picture doesn't count because it's more of a tribute to Kenny's family than Kenny himself considering Kat and Duck died. The "Duck is sick " line doesn't count because it's concern for Duck than for Kenny
"even Vernon cared about Clementine, to the extent that he wanted to take her with him. He hadn't once interacted with her on screen before expressing this desire."
But it's like not he's suddenly shows up and acts like Clem was always his daughter and suddenly cares about her like a daughter, That's the problem with Kenny, there's really no concrete, solid evidence that the two had a friendship bond in the first season, there was nothing there at all, and even after the time skip, and the times you weren't around, there's no evidence that there was* likely *any bond between those two.
"Clementine didn't visibly really interact with anyone outside of Lee."
Wrong, she interacted with Katjaa, and according to Duck and Clem herself, she interacted with Duck, she also interacts with Ben, but only in Starved For Help. Kenny though? Nope, not even a mention of interaction.
Honestly, I didn't feel a father daughter bond was in play until the Wellington ending. Kenny was more of a father figure to AJ in that one episode than he ever was to Clem. I always thought that Kenny viewed Clem as a child, but a competent one at that, and he had a child, so yeah, he may have treated Clem like he would've treated his own child. But there's no telling whether or not Kenny even reciprocates such a feeling of being her 'father figure' or if Clem views Kenny in such a way.
If your problem is with how the writers wrote their relationship then that's fine. I still like the relationship my Clem and Kenny have, because it's not perfect, but it's still something I care about.
Your logic really doesnt make any sense. She can state atleast those 2 facts when Luke/their table asks about Kenny. Yes, Kenny was her old friend. Yes, she didnt not know him that well.
Its not up to the player to decide how well Clementine knew Kenny.