I wonder why many feel Clem being in a relationship is odd. Isn't it a part of growing up and being human? My best guess is that many people are used to seeing her as a child.
It's weird.
Our culture objectifies men and women all the time, particularly women in american advertising (not that men arent sometimes)… more, and there's a big focus on straight men trying to 'win' sex with women or being a player for getting laid or whatever.
And yet, when it's someone they know, they don't want them to have sex....ever.
The same's true with daughters. It highlights the interesting juxtapositional double-standard between 'mm boobies' and 'my 16 year old daughter better not be having sex'
Sorry, off-topic for LGBT stuff, but just some observations I've gleaned from this thread.
Honestly, look at Clementine, she's a fucking MAN(mentally). Any relationship she gets into, She's the one that would be running it. I think it would be more like a type of thing that she's a teaser, not a A.S.(apocalyptic s^&*)
Some people like being 'lonely' or rather like being alone, but that doesn't mean they like to feel unwanted. Being alone and being unwanted are two completely different things. Clem can be lonely if we choose her to be. But it's a basic human want to feel wanted by others, to feel like people need us. Ultimately its up to the person to decide if they want to feel wanted in a romantic sense or in a familial friendly sense. No one has to have a lover, romantic partner, etc. We can survive without them. And Clem has proven she can survive without anyone it seems, even if it is lonely. People don't have to pair off, I guess that's what I'm getting at. It just makes more sense to me that Clem stays alone in the romantic sense.
It helped me to learn what real love might feel like. But in the end, he rejected me because I didn't want to have sex with him right off th… moree bat.
I wasn't worth the effort. Could you say I fell for a sleaze bag?
His loss. People are immature, I've done some things I'm not particularly proud of, but only recently like in the last maybe ten months I'm been "trying" to become a better person. Its not easy because there is a lot of anger and resentment inside me. Every day i struggle, some days i just revert to becoming who i was, it would be easier to just close yourself off from the outside world.
but i find it a lonely existence.
But it's also, in a way, very understandable. Think back to all she's lost, her trust levels have to be at an all time low. And no telling what her mental instability mixed with hormones will cause as the effect...
How is that disturbing? Unless you're assuming some people are fantasizing about that.
The 'apocalyptic slut' seems to be pretty common in media about the post-apocalyptic world. Part of the whole male-fantasy package.
Anything's a possibility. But from what we've seen, I don't think it's likely.
What I do hope for is that, at the very end of however many seasons, at least she finds somebody to be with, and they'll be able to live together. It's awfully lonely being on your own most of your life.
Doesn't seem too likely that she'll find someone that can give her the kind of emotional stability she needs.
I personally think she'll end up like Revy from Black Lagoon. Living a life devoid of many people, building up a shell that'll undoubtedly ward off many people.
Anything's a possibility. But from what we've seen, I don't think it's likely.
What I do hope for is that, at the very end of however man… morey seasons, at least she finds somebody to be with, and they'll be able to live together. It's awfully lonely being on your own most of your life.
In Big Business, it's always about money.
And the idea that it's all about the customer, is just a facade.
Yes, they do have to keep their customers happy by providing merchandise that is of good quality, and that is appealing to a diverse group of people, but at the same time their going to charge the hell out of their customers for whatever product they cook up.
Seriously WTF WHY?
So? What's your point? Are saying you had a problem with Ellie possibly being a lesbian? Why?
Her being a l… moreesbian doesn't change anything about the story, it was a mindless SJW cash in, nothing else. If you wrote a character where homosexuality defined who they were, and the story was about then yeah, it would make sense that she was a lesbian. However they just threw that in there to copy Gone Home. Another SJW shit game, hoping that SJW reviewers would praise it for its "kiss scene."
To sell more copies. Don't you get it. Its always about money.
A person's sexual preferences do define them.
As people our actions define who we are.
But what we decide to do everyday either makes us good people, or it doesn't.
A persons sexuality does not define who they are. A character should'nt have homosexuality or heterosexuality define them.
Sexual preferenc… moree has nothing to do with personality, there is no "lesbian personality" that Ellie could have even had. Just how someone's race doesn't define them as a character/person, sexuality doesn't either. Ellie being a lesbian was completely fine, it wasn't pandering to anyone.
If Ellie had kissed a boy, would you say the game was just pandering to anti- gay right wing extremists? No.
Her sexuality doesn't define - or label her, so it really doesn't matter what she is. I seriously doubt they'd implement romance between her and someone considering they won't take that far of a time-skip.
And if they need to make Clementine romantically involved with someone to get sales, her character would be failing to begin with.
Well I'm asexual =D I'd kill to see a character in a game be asexual because I've just never seen it in anything except for this one vague m… moreention in a show and that's it. If Clem ever turned out to be that, I'd support it [plus there's all different sorts too.].
Doesn't mean she can't have a romance though, still it is odd to think of Clementine like that. If Telltale ever did do that, I just hope it wouldn't feel forced having her in a relationship, like 'oh look here's your love interest Clem, make goo goo eyes at each other, exchange flowers and chocolates because that's what chu do when you're in wuv.' I keep imagining a clueless Duck kid showing up and it terrifies me o_o
And then there's a difference between a young teen/adult and a grown caring father. YA's wouldn't care about another man's daughter like her father would
It's weird.
Our culture objectifies men and women all the time, particularly women in american advertising (not that men arent sometimes)… more, and there's a big focus on straight men trying to 'win' sex with women or being a player for getting laid or whatever.
And yet, when it's someone they know, they don't want them to have sex....ever.
The same's true with daughters. It highlights the interesting juxtapositional double-standard between 'mm boobies' and 'my 16 year old daughter better not be having sex'
Sorry, off-topic for LGBT stuff, but just some observations I've gleaned from this thread.
It'd be funny if Clem turned out to have a preference for girls over boys. But I know the devs would NEVER go down that route. Too 'risky'… more for them.
Homosexuality's apparently scarier than the rotten remains of human beings turning into soulless cannibals.
You honestly think they did this just to sell copies?
A persons sexuality doesn't define a person or a character
So what did their kiss add to the overall story. Absolutely nothing.
What did you expect them to turn Ellie into a fucking stereotype just because she kissed a girl
Didn't you play the DLC. They did that.
It made complete sense.
Yeah it does, with the way media is today, they're going to promote their game for cause to get more sales. Its called business. Why do you think that pos game Gone home got such a good review, don't sit here and tell me that game is good. Because i know it isn't.
But her loving Riley does change the story, because what Riley says to her in the final scene of Left behind factors into Ellie's mindset when keeping Joel alive in winter.
No, she had no impact on the entire game. No one cared about Riley, until after the DLC. When they gave her a cause to fight for.
I'm absolutely disgusted by this post. You honestly think they did this just to sell copies? A persons sexuality doesn't define a person or … morea character. What did you expect them to turn Ellie into a fucking stereotype just because she kissed a girl? It made complete sense. Riley being the only companionship she's ever had it makes sense that she would be attracted to her.
Her being a lesbian doesn't change anything about the story,
It's not supposed to be a "OMG SHE'S A LESBIAN" moment.
But her loving Riley does change the story, because what Riley says to her in the final scene of Left behind factors into Ellie's mindset when keeping Joel alive in winter.
Some people like being 'lonely' or rather like being alone, but that doesn't mean they like to feel unwanted. Being alone and being unwanted… more are two completely different things. Clem can be lonely if we choose her to be. But it's a basic human want to feel wanted by others, to feel like people need us. Ultimately its up to the person to decide if they want to feel wanted in a romantic sense or in a familial friendly sense. No one has to have a lover, romantic partner, etc. We can survive without them. And Clem has proven she can survive without anyone it seems, even if it is lonely. People don't have to pair off, I guess that's what I'm getting at. It just makes more sense to me that Clem stays alone in the romantic sense.
Did you just use the phrase 'un-human' to describe asexuality? Asexuality IS human and humans CAN have 0 sexual attraction for any gender, it's actually more common than you think. You should never use 'un-human' to describe any sexual orientation - I'm not asexual myself but I imagine it would offend many asexuals who might read that. To answer your question, yes, Clem would not experience sexual attraction for males or females if she was asexual. She wouldn't have sexual attraction to agender people (people who are neither male or female) or genderfluid people (people who are both genders) either, since asexuality is sexual attraction for literally no gender, which includes others apart from male/female.
You've never spoken to another asexual? :O I have met a couple over my years on this internet. (Never anybody in real life though, most people don't even know what asexuality is...)
Woo! =D I've never spoke to another asexual before! Where have you been sis?
[sings] And we are living in an over sexual world, and we are asexual girls!
I'm absolutely disgusted by this post.
You honestly think they did this just to sell copies?
A persons sexuali… morety doesn't define a person or a character
So what did their kiss add to the overall story. Absolutely nothing.
What did you expect them to turn Ellie into a fucking stereotype just because she kissed a girl
Didn't you play the DLC. They did that.
It made complete sense.
Yeah it does, with the way media is today, they're going to promote their game for cause to get more sales. Its called business. Why do you think that pos game Gone home got such a good review, don't sit here and tell me that game is good. Because i know it isn't.
But her loving Riley does change the story, because what Riley says to her in the final scene of Left behind factors into Ellie's mindset when keeping Joel alive in winter.
No, she had no impact on the entire game. No one cared about Riley, until after the DLC. When they gave her a cause to fight for.
Honestly, look at Clementine, she's a fucking MAN(mentally). Any relationship she gets into, She's the one that would be running it. I think it would be more like a type of thing that she's a teaser, not a A.S.(apocalyptic s^&*)
It is fucked up.
But it's also, in a way, very understandable. Think back to all she's lost, her trust levels have to be at an all time low. And no telling what her mental instability mixed with hormones will cause as the effect...
I wonder why many feel Clem being in a relationship is odd. Isn't it a part of growing up and being human? My best guess is that many people are used to seeing her as a child.
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I wonder why many feel Clem being in a relationship is odd. Isn't it a part of growing up and being human? My best guess is that many people are used to seeing her as a child.
Honestly, look at Clementine, she's a fucking MAN(mentally). Any relationship she gets into, She's the one that would be running it. I think it would be more like a type of thing that she's a teaser, not a A.S.(apocalyptic s^&*)
Some people like being 'lonely' or rather like being alone, but that doesn't mean they like to feel unwanted. Being alone and being unwanted are two completely different things. Clem can be lonely if we choose her to be. But it's a basic human want to feel wanted by others, to feel like people need us. Ultimately its up to the person to decide if they want to feel wanted in a romantic sense or in a familial friendly sense. No one has to have a lover, romantic partner, etc. We can survive without them. And Clem has proven she can survive without anyone it seems, even if it is lonely. People don't have to pair off, I guess that's what I'm getting at. It just makes more sense to me that Clem stays alone in the romantic sense.
Yes! Are you!? O.O
I would hope she feels repulsed and apprehensive to start any romantic relationship after losing so many people she cares for.
It is fucked up.
But it's also, in a way, very understandable. Think back to all she's lost, her trust levels have to be at an all time low. And no telling what her mental instability mixed with hormones will cause as the effect...
Forget the "male-fantasy package" for a minute.
Is it a possibility that Clementine could become that "apocalyptic slut" you're referring to?
Indeed!
I'm just stating my opinion...
Anything's a possibility. But from what we've seen, I don't think it's likely.
What I do hope for is that, at the very end of however many seasons, at least she finds somebody to be with, and they'll be able to live together. It's awfully lonely being on your own most of your life.
Doesn't seem too likely that she'll find someone that can give her the kind of emotional stability she needs.
I personally think she'll end up like Revy from Black Lagoon. Living a life devoid of many people, building up a shell that'll undoubtedly ward off many people.
In Big Business, it's always about money.
And the idea that it's all about the customer, is just a facade.
Yes, they do have to keep their customers happy by providing merchandise that is of good quality, and that is appealing to a diverse group of people, but at the same time their going to charge the hell out of their customers for whatever product they cook up.
A person's sexual preferences do define them.
As people our actions define who we are.
But what we decide to do everyday either makes us good people, or it doesn't.
Her sexuality doesn't define - or label her, so it really doesn't matter what she is. I seriously doubt they'd implement romance between her and someone considering they won't take that far of a time-skip.
And if they need to make Clementine romantically involved with someone to get sales, her character would be failing to begin with.
Woo! =D I've never spoke to another asexual before! Where have you been sis?
[sings] And we are living in an over sexual world, and we are asexual girls!
Cough dumbledore cough
And then there's a difference between a young teen/adult and a grown caring father. YA's wouldn't care about another man's daughter like her father would
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"People don't always make sense"
-Lee Everett
Wait, I thought Dumbledore was into men. o.o isn't that what J.K.Rowling said?
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I wasn't really referring to you, i was referring to this.
So what did their kiss add to the overall story. Absolutely nothing.
Didn't you play the DLC. They did that.
Yeah it does, with the way media is today, they're going to promote their game for cause to get more sales. Its called business. Why do you think that pos game Gone home got such a good review, don't sit here and tell me that game is good. Because i know it isn't.
No, she had no impact on the entire game. No one cared about Riley, until after the DLC. When they gave her a cause to fight for.
Not me, if i didn't have my dog, not sure how i would react. Most likely in a very angry way.
Did you just use the phrase 'un-human' to describe asexuality? Asexuality IS human and humans CAN have 0 sexual attraction for any gender, it's actually more common than you think. You should never use 'un-human' to describe any sexual orientation - I'm not asexual myself but I imagine it would offend many asexuals who might read that. To answer your question, yes, Clem would not experience sexual attraction for males or females if she was asexual. She wouldn't have sexual attraction to agender people (people who are neither male or female) or genderfluid people (people who are both genders) either, since asexuality is sexual attraction for literally no gender, which includes others apart from male/female.
I'm down for asexual Clementine, anyone else.
You've never spoken to another asexual? :O I have met a couple over my years on this internet. (Never anybody in real life though, most people don't even know what asexuality is...)
[sings along]
Wow, you actually just made yourself look like even more of an ignorant shit than you already were. Congratulations.
13 years and the only companion you've ever had, you're gonna be attracted to them, boy or girl it doesn't matter.
She had a big impact on Ellie's character arc, who is the game's most important character. Therefore she clearly does have some impact.
I almost threw up.
Since when are all men mentally invincible?
She'll probably end up as a Lee / Kenny / Jane / Carver kind-of-person.
unless she finds someone interesting and nice, or someone finds her.. uh interesting? :l
I just hope they won't follow "The Last Of Us"s trail.
No romantic Clem. Hell yes.
She'll end up as a Kenny, Jane, Carver kind-of-person. Trust me. In season 3, they will change her personality. drastically.
Couldn't agree more.
worst. comment. ever.
wow. just wan't to bring this to the surface; You're way too obsessed with the website "tumblr" and everything associated with it.
Are you suggesting that you would like to see Clementine maimed and sterilized?!
No, I mean that she would be like me. Don't love or sex with anyone, just have friends.
What the...absolutely not. What do you think being asexual is exactly? It means she's not attracted romantically or sexually to anyone.
Thats people like me.