Was Kenny right to kill Jane?
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MrX1H2
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To me there´s no right or wrong in this. I feel like they were both right but both wrong at the same time.
I hate Jane, but he didn't have to kill her... He could have just knocked her the fuck out.
Right? No. But were his actions forgivable? Maybe, depends on you.
For me personally, I couldn't shoot Kenny. I just couldn't do it. This is coming from someone who liked both Kenny and Jane (which seems to be quite uncommon around here). I knew Jane was lying (it was pretty obvious), and ultimately even if I didn't I'm not sure I would've been able to kill Kenny. I care far too much about him. So yeah, I'm pissed at him for what he did. But I'll still stick with him because him and Clem have been through so much together (and he's one of my favorite characters, haha). So yeah, in case you couldn't tell, I also chose him over Wellington.
Oh sure, Kenny has a right to kill anyone that makes him mad.
At the moment Kenny was wrong. But then when Kenny was right about Jane I could care less
Nope, because he just proved Jane right that he could kill/murder someone any moment in a psychotic rage. If written properly, that baby shoud've either already been dead, or was going to die, meaning psycho rage Kenny is guaranteed.
I love Kenny to death, but I also like Jane... of course it wasn't right for Kenny to kill Jane but he just did what was on his mind to release some anger, he wanted to raise AJ right and with Jane just taking that away from him without his consent or without a certain reason like, "He got bit" or "I dropped him and the walkers came onto us" she just said it was an accident, then later refers to"I knew you would" so Kenny did kind of have a right to kill Jane for taking something so close to him away to prove a fucking point...
Kenny had the right because "he just did what was on his mind to release some anger, he wanted to raise AJ right and with Jane just taking that away from him without his consent or without a certain reason"? Are you serious? They were in a damn blizzard, surrounded by walkers; her saying it was an accident is all he needed to hear to come to a reasonable conclusion is he was actually thinking coherently. Even if she did say what may have happened, do you think that in his anger that Kenny would've listened? Nope.
If he no longer wanted to travel with her, fine, then he should've just left, but to kill her because of an "accident" that occurred in a very hazardous area is him going off the deep end. So if Clem possibly has an accident with AJ, Kenny is in the right if he wants to kill her?
No, he is not!
Yes, Jane wanted to kill him too during their fight, but she didn't start it. If Kenny had any sense, at the time, he would've not engaged in senseless violence (still pissed as fuck, but not starting fights), then he would've proved Jane wrong about him. In the end, she was just as she said he was and just like she said the group dissolved, but because of Kenny.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great, developed character, but he was a DETRIMENT. Hell, he could've got people killed in the beginning of "In Harm's Way" because of his almost adamant refusal to think things thru.
Here's how my debates over the Kenny/Jane decision tend to go down:
*"I chose Kenny over Jane."
"Oh, so you're in favour of Kenny murdering Jane for no good reason at all, huh? All you Kenny cultists are the same."*
It's this "2 +2 = 7" logic that really infuriates me. Of COURSE I don't support Kenny murdering Jane. He was completely in the wrong, but his mind was so far gone, there was simply no way to prevent Kenny from taking Jane's life without killing him outright. He wouldn't stop until his rage was spent. Clem didn't have the means or the time to knock him out, and Jane refusing to back down didn't help. If you looked up the term "no-win scenario", you'd find this scene underlined directly beneath it. That's the point. Neither Kenny or Jane are completely innocent here, and you have to choose.
How I see it, no Kenny wasn't right for killing Jane. Killing bad no matter what, unless its in self-defense.
There's always some valid reason for people to choose one over the other, despite how hard it might be to see/understand why someone would do X over Y. It really comes down to how you've come to view Kenny and Jane at the end of episode 5. You either saw Kenny as someone who'd do anything to protect the ones he cared about or someone going off the deep end. You either saw Jane as someone who only cared for herself, or you saw her as someone who started changing for the better (in that 'being alone isn't the best option' or 'not to instantly give up on people') I think that's what it mostly came down to and given what's happen to make the final decision spark, it was up to the player to decide based on how you either saw the characters change (for better or worse) or saw them as no different than the first time you've met them. Hope that makes sense.
Jane deserved worse, come at me bitches.
No need, Kenny will do it for me.
He never killed Jane though. Clementine killed Kenny.
Over half the people put the "crusty piece of shit" out of his misery.
Everybody knows 2+2=6. Come one!
Kenny's rage is enough for him to be justified or at least nullify him from any and all responsibility. So, I guess murder is ok as long as you're as rabid as a dog when you plunge a knife into a woman's chest, thought never factored in so... you get off Scott-free. Good to know, if you'll excuse me, someone is looking at me funny and I've had a bad week. I'll just tell the judge I wasn't thinking.
No, but she had a gun. Which would deter Kenny from ever harming anyone again because he was a bit sore or grumpy or whatever it is you're getting at.
Why? Killing a man that never thinks and only acts isn't exactly what I'd call a "lose scenario." He was a threat to everyone's survival. He lost when he decided killing an innocent woman was preferable to listening to her explanation. That doesn't mean Clementine looses though, it means she won.
No, but Jane brought no harm to anyone. Now she did bring ill-intent, but not harm. Kenny wanted to kill her from the moment she returned, he just needed an excuse for his bloodlust (reminds me of Larry, actually).
No he wasnt, she was a dumb cow for starting the drama though
Kenny had no way of knowing what happened to AJ. You don't kill people because you "suspect" that they did something, especially when you have the means to investigate. Kenny didn't even "try" to investigate.
He didn't come back in and say "Where's the body. I want to see it." or anything like that. THAT would have been reasonable, but just attacking her like that with the intent to kill her? No, not reasonable. If Clem doesn't shoot Kenny to stop him then Kenny is guilty of murder.
That's how I see it anyway.
Pretty hard to do when she's wielding a knife and slashes your abdomen.
Either way, they both needed to die, in my opinion.
Now Kenny fanboys and whatever fans Jane has... pipe the hell down. Hear me out.
Kenny was getting more ruthless and ruthless, his pain turned into anger and not only is that dangerous, but it's putting Kenny through hell. I don't want to be the person that's treating Kenny like a sick dog (even though he kind of was), but I also didn't want him to suffer day after day, especially when he thinks that AJ is gone. That would completely tear him apart. And him beating the shit out of Arvo is the reason why he shot Clementine, and the reason why Mike (and Bonnie) decided to leave.
Jane, well, who the fuck cares about Jane. I'm trying not to let my biased side of me get out, but hiding a baby in a freezing cold car to show Clementine what 'monster' Kenny is, is just monstrious itself. It ends up getting her (determinately) killed.
They both have demons, and Clementine - or anyone, shouldn't be around to see them. That's why I let Kenny kill Jane, and then shot Kenny.
Well, that's what anger does. He was too blinded by rage that all he could think of was physically hurting Jane because he assumed she let him die. Not to mention the buttering up of the situation, Jane talking about Kenny's family and girlfriend in a disgusting manner.
Agreed.
Jane could've easily said, woah Kenny AJ is safe he's in a car down the road.. But no instead she decided to hide him in a fucking car and continue the fight, at any time she could've said chill Kenny he's fine but she didn't and that's why I think he wasn't in the wrong to kill Jane.
Your example with Clementine doing something with AJ and Kenny being in the right to kill her is a completely different topic because for one, Kenny actually likes Clementine and vise virsa and two Clementine wouldn't do anything to AJ on purpose to prove a fucking point, to prove that Kenny is a psychopath because Clementine already knows he is, from season 1 when he lost Katjaa and Duck the way he treated everyone in his group after that was fucking horrendous and she took that risk of staying with him until the end and having a choice of, killing someone really fucking close to her, or a girl that just hid a baby putting AJ at risk where a walker could easily get the baby at any time, and getting herself in a life or death situation while proving that Kenny is mental... It's stupid and what Jane did is stupid and what Kenny did was stupid but he had the right.
Anyway, I don't want to start an argrument.
How I see it is, Kenny was in the wrong stabbing Jane, and Jane was in the wrong taking AJ away from Kenny knowing he would go psycho
True, but he could have disarmed her or before she gouged his bad eye in he could have punched and knocked her out there.
Please stop with the Kenny and Jane stuff. There is already over 100 topics about this.
That happens when someone is jelly their ending is not well-written.
As Lee put it: "Killing people is bad no matter what."
'Nuff said.
I doubt anyone will listen. There's bias no matter where you look, not to mention immaturity.
The real question that we need to ask ourself is why did she not reveal that AJ was fine when she was about to lose the fight. I think she wanted to push Clem to kill Kenny
I chosed Jane, because Kenny turned out to be a psycho , as we see when, even after Jane said it was an accident, he still wanted to kill her.
She could stop everything by saying that he was fine.
You didn't make any case why Jane "needed" to die; just "I don't like Jane so fuck it" basically. Now that's cool, and your opinion, but to say "Hear me out", as if you were going to say something that proved that Jane needed to die and just say that...lol.
Yeah, she wanted Kenny to start the fight and push the situation where they were forced to kill him; that's why she backed down, and sheathed her knife. If he did, then she was right about him being a danger to Clem, but if he didn't then she was wrong, and she'd have to admit it, and show them where AJ was.
The whole point was that she didn't trust him around Clem, and that he wouldn't leave AJ to them, so he had to be killed. Yeah, it's fucked up, but it had to be done as Kenny's rage had already proven to be detrimental to their prolonged survival.
That wasn't what I meant, and you know it. Get back to me once you're done visiting the Land of the Straw Men.
Nope, she didn't, because Kenny had already proved her right: He was going psycho, and to keep him with them could endanger their lives.
So yeah, she tells him it was all ploy, and that AJ is alright, are they supposed to still travel with this man? The man just just tried to kill someone over a supposed accident (which was very plausible given they were in a blizzard with walker about, and she was carrying a newborn)? No, they shouldn't.
The moment Kenny proved that he was willing to senselessly kill to let out his frustrations (along with the fact that he simply refuses to work well in groups), he became expendable. Yes, the ZA fucked up his mind, but that can't be helped.
I let Kenny kill her and shot him as well, more because I wanted to see an S3 without either of them in it, but I also can't trust either of them to look after a pet rock at this point, let alone Clementine.
The rage directed at Clementine when Kenny realized she left the baby with Jane was enough proof that if Clementine ever got AJ killed accidentally, Kenny may snap. As for Jane, I think if Clem ever became depressed or otherwise in a hard situation, I have trouble believing Jane would stick around and take care of her. Neither of them needed to die because of that specifically, (Even though I did kill them both anyway.) but I don't want either of them to be around Clementine.
Kenny wasn't right to kill her because he had no evidence it was murder. There was a blizzard and walkers were everywhere, it is very easy to believe that Jane may have gotten AJ killed on accident but Kenny jumped to conclusions and tried to murder her based off his assumption, and to me that's a pretty inexcusable thing to do. Jane was an idiot for starting drama and constantly pushing him, as well as faking AJ's death, but I don't think she was deserving of losing her life for it.
"Hey Kenny, I killed a baby which everyone died for and the only thing keeping you sane other than Clem on ACCIDENT...Everything is cool, right?"
Somebody talking nasty to you has no effect on whether it is justifiable to kill them or not.
personally....yeah, yeah i think he was. Jane was literal scum. the fact she can live but sarah and nick cant still pisses me off
Mind to clarify what I said was "not what you meant?"
Cause your arguments are usually very flimsy, saying Kenny is nullified from any consequence because he "wasn't in control of his actions" is laughably bad and juvenile at best.