I didn't give water to the dying man.
If you mess up with Winston, Victor (water guy) is the one who tells him to "finish the girl" i.e. murder Clementine.
* All That Remains is underrated and the best episode of Season 2.
* People give Carver too much sympathy and act like episode 3 ruined h… moreim - he's a great villain, but not a likable charcter.
* Kenny's appearance in Season 2 devalues his death in the first season.
* Arvo deserves sympathy.
* Carlos sucks.
* Luke had one of the most dignified deaths in the Season.
* No Going Back may very well be the worst episode in the franchise.
* People are too hard on Clementine.
* Bonnie and Mike don't deserve blind hatred.
In terms of writing, Long Road Ahead is great, but I it's just overly long when it doesn't have to be and the train puzzle completely stops all the momentum that was building up to that point, that's why I don't like it at least.
And Episode 5 of Season 2 was, imo, the best episode of Season 2, followed by AHD and IHW at 2 and 3. I think these three are great episodes and IHW, while far from perfect, is still a great episode and one of my personal favorites, it doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
i actually think in harms way and a house divided were the only 2 great episodes in season 2, so you arent alone. and i dont like long road ahead either
I knew it was going down hill, when the game didn't give me the option to pick up my gun, before walking into the stall. I just knew, and then Clementine magically survives being tossed in a river, and washes up downstream unconscious.
What if Season two was all a dream, it would explain how Kenny came back to life, but why would Kenny become more evil? That is a question, if it was a dream, maybe Clementine subconsciously remembers Kenny that way, like when he smashed Larry's head in with a Salt Lick. So imo she would dream Kenny as this violent man.
That would explain to me a lot to me, if it was all a dream.
Like her kicking down a door.
Her surviving a gun shot,
Her Magically running into Wellington/Kenny/Carver the second time.
Here is what i don't get, say if i walked from one destination, to another for four day straight. I think that is how long the group walked for, how would Carver know what direction to go. Did he go north,South , West, East. It makes Absolutely no sense, that they ran into each other. For days of walking, right...
I wouldn't say it's the best of Season 2 for me, but it's immensely underrated, a great start to the season. I didn't enjoy it the first time I played it, but every time I go back, I enjoy it more and more.
People give Carver too much sympathy and act like episode 3 ruined him - he's a great villain, but not a likable charcter.
* All That Remains is underrated and the best episode of Season 2.
* People give Carver too much sympathy and act like episode 3 ruined h… moreim - he's a great villain, but not a likable charcter.
* Kenny's appearance in Season 2 devalues his death in the first season.
* Arvo deserves sympathy.
* Carlos sucks.
* Luke had one of the most dignified deaths in the Season.
* No Going Back may very well be the worst episode in the franchise.
* People are too hard on Clementine.
* Bonnie and Mike don't deserve blind hatred.
Is Nate still unpopular, he was when i liked him. I don't want him to be in Season three because i feel the writers would probably ruin his character, at this point.
Well since it seems likely Nick Breckon will return as head writer for S3, I doubt he could ruin his character since he helped write the 400 Days DLC.
* I find Clementine as a boring character, with little redeeming value. Season two pretty much killed my love for her.
* I liked Arvo, i … morethought he was a excellent villain, and hope to see more of him in the future. He used his manipulation skills to get what he wanted.
* I didn't care for Luke, his good boyness felt like a act, all the way up to the end. When he died, i actually laughed and compared it to titanic. LUKE NOOOoooooooooooooooooooo. LOL, who cares.
* I loved the part when Clementine gets Yelled at by Kenny/Bonnie, because it makes the characters imo feel more alive.
* I wanted an option to leave AJ behind in the car.
* When the shootout was over, everyone was crying over Rebecca. I was making jokes about sleeping in a tire, leaves you drunk and on fire.
* I was mad when Kenny came back. It felt "i got lucky, really lucky."
* I disliked Jane's character immensely. She felt so fake, it wasn't real. I felt … [view original content]
People give Carver too much sympathy and act like episode 3 ruined him - he's a great villain, but not a likable charcter.
IMO Carver was seen through a perspective, as a evil dude. People aren't evil. People are just people. I feel like we were robbed of a chance to get to know the character, and we were only shown one side of him. People aren't like that, i have many sides to my personality.
Sometimes the bad man comes out. I got to put him back in his cage, like the blind demon guys in Resident Evil four.
All That Remains is underrated
I wouldn't say it's the best of Season 2 for me, but it's immensely underrated, a great start to the … moreseason. I didn't enjoy it the first time I played it, but every time I go back, I enjoy it more and more.
People give Carver too much sympathy and act like episode 3 ruined him - he's a great villain, but not a likable charcter.
Carlos sucks.
So much this.
All That Remains is underrated and the best episode of Season 2.
I agree. I really liked it because playing as Clem felt like we were realistically playing as a young girl as opposed to later episodes where she's kicking down doors and getting shot without any real consequence. The first two episodes were pretty good...and then the game just got worse and never recovered.
* All That Remains is underrated and the best episode of Season 2.
* People give Carver too much sympathy and act like episode 3 ruined h… moreim - he's a great villain, but not a likable charcter.
* Kenny's appearance in Season 2 devalues his death in the first season.
* Arvo deserves sympathy.
* Carlos sucks.
* Luke had one of the most dignified deaths in the Season.
* No Going Back may very well be the worst episode in the franchise.
* People are too hard on Clementine.
* Bonnie and Mike don't deserve blind hatred.
What I liked about Carver was that, from my perspective, he epitomizes exactly what a world like this can turn people into. I don't believe that people are born evil, but due to the events that occur around them and the environment they live in, people can become evil and lose who they once were. That is exactly what happened to Carver, he represents that lost sense of humanity that can happen to people as a result of this world. Consumed by the power that he was given and the position he was put in, it led him to become this brutal dictator that feels he can get away with whatever he wants. However, he tries to justify his actions by saying it is for the good of the community. "Killing one in order to save many is part of survival." And we see in people like Bonnie that his people bought it and willfully submit to him as a result. He terrifies them, giving off the image that if they step one toe out of line and put the danger of this community at risk, he will not hesitate to kill them. That's just my perspective of him though.
People give Carver too much sympathy and act like episode 3 ruined him - he's a great villain, but not a likable charcter.
IMO Carve… morer was seen through a perspective, as a evil dude. People aren't evil. People are just people. I feel like we were robbed of a chance to get to know the character, and we were only shown one side of him. People aren't like that, i have many sides to my personality.
Sometimes the bad man comes out. I got to put him back in his cage, like the blind demon guys in Resident Evil four.
I wanted Lilly to come back, rather than Kenny.
It would have made a bit more sense, and she deserved a redemption story arc, where as Kenny's story was wrapped up in season 1.
IMO Carver was seen through a perspective, as a evil dude. People aren't evil. People are just people. I feel like we were robbed of a chance to get to know the character, and we were only shown one side of him.
To be fair, given that we're a bunch of prisoners and dissenting ex-members of his community, it makes sense that we would only really see him from that perspective. These characters have pretty much cemented themselves on his bad side.
People give Carver too much sympathy and act like episode 3 ruined him - he's a great villain, but not a likable charcter.
IMO Carve… morer was seen through a perspective, as a evil dude. People aren't evil. People are just people. I feel like we were robbed of a chance to get to know the character, and we were only shown one side of him. People aren't like that, i have many sides to my personality.
Sometimes the bad man comes out. I got to put him back in his cage, like the blind demon guys in Resident Evil four.
Clementine has become a character that I don't care a lot about, because she's become really bland
I think Season 2 was terrible overall, and looking back I only really like Episode 4&5
I didn't cry when Lee died, nor was I down for days. I did, however, weep a bit at the Wellington ending
I'm not looking forward to Season 3, only if it is a lot different from Season 2
TWD is utterly overrated. I used to love this game, and Season 1 is still one of my favourite game to this day. However, noone can say this game isn't overrated. I was very invested in Season 2 while it was running, and only now, after half a year, I realized how bad it really was. I think I was blinded by Season 1 a bit.
* I did not like Luke until Episode 5
* Clementine has become a character that I don't care a lot about, because she's become really blan… mored
* I think Season 2 was terrible overall, and looking back I only really like Episode 4&5
* I didn't cry when Lee died, nor was I down for days. I did, however, weep a bit at the Wellington ending
* I'm not looking forward to Season 3, only if it is a lot different from Season 2
* TWD is utterly overrated. I used to love this game, and Season 1 is still one of my favourite game to this day. However, noone can say this game isn't overrated. I was very invested in Season 2 while it was running, and only now, after half a year, I realized how bad it really was. I think I was blinded by Season 1 a bit.
Yeh something about Carver was likeable. I found his I don't give a shit bout nuthin attitude appealing. I liked how he saw Clem relatable to himself as well. Both are cunning characters.
I know the nature of the thread is opinion based, but do some people really like Troy? A guy that asked Sarah and Clementine if "everything came out all right" after they peed? Really? I would happily tear him to pieces. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
What I liked about Carver was that, from my perspective, he epitomizes exactly what a world like this can turn people into. I don't believe … morethat people are born evil, but due to the events that occur around them and the environment they live in, people can become evil and lose who they once were. That is exactly what happened to Carver, he represents that lost sense of humanity that can happen to people as a result of this world. Consumed by the power that he was given and the position he was put in, it led him to become this brutal dictator that feels he can get away with whatever he wants. However, he tries to justify his actions by saying it is for the good of the community. "Killing one in order to save many is part of survival." And we see in people like Bonnie that his people bought it and willfully submit to him as a result. He terrifies them, giving off the image that if they step one toe out of line and put the danger of this communi… [view original content]
Season 2 Clem is way more cute than season 1 Clem (I mean that)
I like Clem more than Lee
Lee was a boring character (Yay! Another game where we play as an adult. Like we don't have enough of them)
I almost like Ben more than Lee
All season 2 episodes were better than all season 1 episodes
I want Clem as season 3 main character (If not, no season 3)
^ I say this, because if Clem's story ends here, and we start with a brand new character, then it's like ending Rick's story in The Walking Dead TV-Show (and the comics) and then just start with a brand new character.
I dislike the people who says "I want Clem dead", "Clem's story has come to an end", "Clem is a boring and uninteresting character". I mean seriously? She's 11 years old! She doesn't have to be funny and interesting (as some of you don't think she is)
I like her being Badass / Sassy / The nice little girl. Well, I like her ALL the time.
The Walking Dead: SEASON TWO is one of my favorite games.
Clementine is my favorite character, and the only character I care about. (From all games I've ever played.
I think people overreacted when Kenny yelled at Clem.
I don't get why people like Luke. Ever since episode 1, I never got why he was so special. He was bland, weakly developed, and we basically didn't know the guy from a hole in the ground. It was the same throughout the entire season and overall, I couldn't care less when he died. Sure, he was a nice guy... But that was probably it for me. Didn't hate him... Didn't like him either.
Sorry, I went on far too long with the Luke thing. Every goddamn time someone says they love Luke I just- I just don't get it!
Anyway....
I actually liked Arvo. Sure, I was never actually nice to him in-game, but I can't hate him. I just can't. I don't know why. I respect him for shooting me, since I was a really big dick towards him. He took a stand, made his mark on Clem... Literally. You know, probably left a scar... Nvm. Just don't ever shoot her again, pls.
That's it, I think.
Oh, and I love Kenny. I think that counts since hatred towards him seems to stamp out the love towards him.
* I like Season 2 more than Season 1
* Luke had a good death scene
* I prefer Kenny vs. Jane over Kenny vs. Luke
* Molly was bland and ca… morertoonish, and I thought Jane was a much better character
* Starved For Help was only ok
* Doug > Carley
* Lee is overrated
I like Season 2 more than Season 1
Luke had a good death scene
I prefer Kenny vs. Jane over Kenny vs. Luke
Starved For Help was only ok
Yes to all this.
It's a good episode, but I just feel it's overrated. From the moment I saw them, I knew something was up with the St. John's, I didn't think it was cannibalism though until Brenda refused to let me see Mark. Speaking of Mark, he was only a character created just so no one from the group would be eaten. And in terms of overall plot, not much happens other than stealing from The Stranger's car and Larry's death. There were some nice Lee and Clem moments, but not that much really happens this episode. Overall, my 6th favorite episode.
I think that Clementine Should Have Been a Lesbian with Sarah. I Love Kenny and Jane, I rather have Clem die than luke, and I find episode 4 the most enjoyable episode of the franchise. Now If you'll excuse me, I'll be in my flame war bunker.
I think that Clementine Should Have Been a Lesbian with Sarah
Tha must be one of the most unpopular opinions i have heard in this forum, if you were even being serious
To me it felt like the episode was trying to show what would humans really do in a post- apocalyptic situation. The meat locker scene alone really demonstrated what pragmatism and pure fear will do to a man. In a nutshell, it was a giant "what would you do?" episode in a more extreme sense, and I thought it really fit the TWD universe. It also had great atmospheric pacing too. From peaceful calming moments with Clem and the group, to a big yet subtle barnyard showdown.
It's a good episode, but I just feel it's overrated. From the moment I saw them, I knew something was up with the St. John's, I didn't think… more it was cannibalism though until Brenda refused to let me see Mark. Speaking of Mark, he was only a character created just so no one from the group would be eaten. And in terms of overall plot, not much happens other than stealing from The Stranger's car and Larry's death. There were some nice Lee and Clem moments, but not that much really happens this episode. Overall, my 6th favorite episode.
* I find Clementine as a boring character, with little redeeming value. Season two pretty much killed my love for her.
* I liked Arvo, i … morethought he was a excellent villain, and hope to see more of him in the future. He used his manipulation skills to get what he wanted.
* I didn't care for Luke, his good boyness felt like a act, all the way up to the end. When he died, i actually laughed and compared it to titanic. LUKE NOOOoooooooooooooooooooo. LOL, who cares.
* I loved the part when Clementine gets Yelled at by Kenny/Bonnie, because it makes the characters imo feel more alive.
* I wanted an option to leave AJ behind in the car.
* When the shootout was over, everyone was crying over Rebecca. I was making jokes about sleeping in a tire, leaves you drunk and on fire.
* I was mad when Kenny came back. It felt "i got lucky, really lucky."
* I disliked Jane's character immensely. She felt so fake, it wasn't real. I felt … [view original content]
I thought Nick, Sarah and Mike were quite 'vanilla' characters and I wasn't that interested in them, I liked them (maybe not Mike so much af… moreter episode 5) but I didn't feel a connection with them
Also, my favourite character is Luke (not including Clem and Lee) which seems to be an unpopular opinion.
Weird obsession with him has been present for the last year and a bit, but now hared of him is becoming more common.
Mostly from newer users, which supports my theory about the fact that Kenny is determinant giving people the confidence to come to the forums having seen how brutal it used to be to anyone who questioned any decision Kenny made.
I like season 2 way more than season 1.
I thought Clem was a far more compelling protagonist than Lee.
The Jane endings in season 2 are far more thematically and emotionally truthful than the Kenny or solo endings.
I don't think a lot of people deny she is interesting and well written. Without those features, she wouldn't have the personality that made a lot of people hate her.
I don't think a lot of people deny she is interesting and well written. Without those features, she wouldn't have the personality that made a lot of people hate her.
I wouldn't necessarily say that, I think a well written character can also be defined on what players/viewers/readers think of them. I hate her personality, and to achieve that kind of reaction from someone she would naturally have to be well written.
I think she's well written because she's not actually remotely hateable when you dig beneath the surface.
If people knew she was well written they'd understand why hating on her is ridiculous.
I think she's well written because she's not actually remotely hateable when you dig beneath the surface.
If people knew she was well written they'd understand why hating on her is ridiculous.
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I prefer Kenny over Lee and Clementine.
I know that, (But didn't at the time) But some people have questioned me on that choice.
I want Christa to be dead!
Winner.
I thought Season 2 had a great start, but every episode since then has gotten steadily worse until it culminated in the trashy finale.
In terms of writing, Long Road Ahead is great, but I it's just overly long when it doesn't have to be and the train puzzle completely stops all the momentum that was building up to that point, that's why I don't like it at least.
And Episode 5 of Season 2 was, imo, the best episode of Season 2, followed by AHD and IHW at 2 and 3. I think these three are great episodes and IHW, while far from perfect, is still a great episode and one of my personal favorites, it doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
No Going Back is my favorite episode of S2, and my second favorite episode of the series overall
Around Every Corner is an underrated episode
I actually preferred Jane over Molly
I actually liked both Jane and Kenny, and found the choice of choosing between them to be difficult
Even though I tried to help Larry, I never held any of the hissy-fits Kenny threw towards me against him (leaving me under the door, etc)
I knew it was going down hill, when the game didn't give me the option to pick up my gun, before walking into the stall. I just knew, and then Clementine magically survives being tossed in a river, and washes up downstream unconscious.
What if Season two was all a dream, it would explain how Kenny came back to life, but why would Kenny become more evil? That is a question, if it was a dream, maybe Clementine subconsciously remembers Kenny that way, like when he smashed Larry's head in with a Salt Lick. So imo she would dream Kenny as this violent man.
That would explain to me a lot to me, if it was all a dream.
Like her kicking down a door.
Her surviving a gun shot,
Her Magically running into Wellington/Kenny/Carver the second time.
Here is what i don't get, say if i walked from one destination, to another for four day straight. I think that is how long the group walked for, how would Carver know what direction to go. Did he go north,South , West, East. It makes Absolutely no sense, that they ran into each other. For days of walking, right...
I wouldn't say it's the best of Season 2 for me, but it's immensely underrated, a great start to the season. I didn't enjoy it the first time I played it, but every time I go back, I enjoy it more and more.
So much this.
Well since it seems likely Nick Breckon will return as head writer for S3, I doubt he could ruin his character since he helped write the 400 Days DLC.
IMO Carver was seen through a perspective, as a evil dude. People aren't evil. People are just people. I feel like we were robbed of a chance to get to know the character, and we were only shown one side of him. People aren't like that, i have many sides to my personality.
Sometimes the bad man comes out. I got to put him back in his cage, like the blind demon guys in Resident Evil four.
I agree. I really liked it because playing as Clem felt like we were realistically playing as a young girl as opposed to later episodes where she's kicking down doors and getting shot without any real consequence. The first two episodes were pretty good...and then the game just got worse and never recovered.
What I liked about Carver was that, from my perspective, he epitomizes exactly what a world like this can turn people into. I don't believe that people are born evil, but due to the events that occur around them and the environment they live in, people can become evil and lose who they once were. That is exactly what happened to Carver, he represents that lost sense of humanity that can happen to people as a result of this world. Consumed by the power that he was given and the position he was put in, it led him to become this brutal dictator that feels he can get away with whatever he wants. However, he tries to justify his actions by saying it is for the good of the community. "Killing one in order to save many is part of survival." And we see in people like Bonnie that his people bought it and willfully submit to him as a result. He terrifies them, giving off the image that if they step one toe out of line and put the danger of this community at risk, he will not hesitate to kill them. That's just my perspective of him though.
And sorry, I never played Resident Evil.
I wanted Lilly to come back, rather than Kenny.
It would have made a bit more sense, and she deserved a redemption story arc, where as Kenny's story was wrapped up in season 1.
To be fair, given that we're a bunch of prisoners and dissenting ex-members of his community, it makes sense that we would only really see him from that perspective. These characters have pretty much cemented themselves on his bad side.
I did not like Luke until Episode 5
Clementine has become a character that I don't care a lot about, because she's become really bland
I think Season 2 was terrible overall, and looking back I only really like Episode 4&5
I didn't cry when Lee died, nor was I down for days. I did, however, weep a bit at the Wellington ending
I'm not looking forward to Season 3, only if it is a lot different from Season 2
TWD is utterly overrated. I used to love this game, and Season 1 is still one of my favourite game to this day. However, noone can say this game isn't overrated. I was very invested in Season 2 while it was running, and only now, after half a year, I realized how bad it really was. I think I was blinded by Season 1 a bit.
This game isn't overrated
There I just said it
I am breaking the RULES and LIVING ON THE EDGE
Yeh something about Carver was likeable. I found his I don't give a shit bout nuthin attitude appealing. I liked how he saw Clem relatable to himself as well. Both are cunning characters.
I know the nature of the thread is opinion based, but do some people really like Troy? A guy that asked Sarah and Clementine if "everything came out all right" after they peed? Really? I would happily tear him to pieces. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
Kenny is the most overrated character of all time.
I love Mike
I couldn't bring myself to like Luke that much, I only defended him because he wasn't Kenny.
I like Nick more than I like Lee and Clem.
I like season 2 MUCH more than season 1
I like season 2 Clem more than season 1 Clem
Season 2 Clem is way more cute than season 1 Clem (I mean that)
I like Clem more than Lee
Lee was a boring character (Yay! Another game where we play as an adult. Like we don't have enough of them)
I almost like Ben more than Lee
All season 2 episodes were better than all season 1 episodes
I want Clem as season 3 main character (If not, no season 3)
^ I say this, because if Clem's story ends here, and we start with a brand new character, then it's like ending Rick's story in The Walking Dead TV-Show (and the comics) and then just start with a brand new character.
I dislike the people who says "I want Clem dead", "Clem's story has come to an end", "Clem is a boring and uninteresting character". I mean seriously? She's 11 years old! She doesn't have to be funny and interesting (as some of you don't think she is)
I like her being Badass / Sassy / The nice little girl. Well, I like her ALL the time.
The Walking Dead: SEASON TWO is one of my favorite games.
Clementine is my favorite character, and the only character I care about. (From all games I've ever played.
I think people overreacted when Kenny yelled at Clem.
I don't get why people like Luke. Ever since episode 1, I never got why he was so special. He was bland, weakly developed, and we basically didn't know the guy from a hole in the ground. It was the same throughout the entire season and overall, I couldn't care less when he died. Sure, he was a nice guy... But that was probably it for me. Didn't hate him... Didn't like him either.
Sorry, I went on far too long with the Luke thing. Every goddamn time someone says they love Luke I just- I just don't get it!
Anyway....
I actually liked Arvo. Sure, I was never actually nice to him in-game, but I can't hate him. I just can't. I don't know why. I respect him for shooting me, since I was a really big dick towards him. He took a stand, made his mark on Clem... Literally. You know, probably left a scar... Nvm. Just don't ever shoot her again, pls.
That's it, I think.
Oh, and I love Kenny. I think that counts since hatred towards him seems to stamp out the love towards him.
Yes to all this.
I'm sorry but, how is Starved for Help only "ok"?
It's a good episode, but I just feel it's overrated. From the moment I saw them, I knew something was up with the St. John's, I didn't think it was cannibalism though until Brenda refused to let me see Mark. Speaking of Mark, he was only a character created just so no one from the group would be eaten. And in terms of overall plot, not much happens other than stealing from The Stranger's car and Larry's death. There were some nice Lee and Clem moments, but not that much really happens this episode. Overall, my 6th favorite episode.
Tha must be one of the most unpopular opinions i have heard in this forum, if you were even being serious
iunno i think it came off as pretty serious, and i hope it was. Because if it was he has serious balls, and kudos to him
To me it felt like the episode was trying to show what would humans really do in a post- apocalyptic situation. The meat locker scene alone really demonstrated what pragmatism and pure fear will do to a man. In a nutshell, it was a giant "what would you do?" episode in a more extreme sense, and I thought it really fit the TWD universe. It also had great atmospheric pacing too. From peaceful calming moments with Clem and the group, to a big yet subtle barnyard showdown.
ALSO
"Hey Lee, you know how to pick a lock right?" ; )
I find it funny that it's about someone being lesbian and you said he has serious balls.
That cracks me up.
I don't know why but this made me laugh so hard.
I'd probably do it just to see what happens.
Nick's probably the only one that really takes that 'ice' title though.
I think Luke is more of a cold character.
Weird obsession with him has been present for the last year and a bit, but now hared of him is becoming more common.
Mostly from newer users, which supports my theory about the fact that Kenny is determinant giving people the confidence to come to the forums having seen how brutal it used to be to anyone who questioned any decision Kenny made.
I disagree, I think the one where Clem enters wellington is okay (if a bit lame).
Jane's endings are the most 'Walking Dead', though, certainly.
I think Becca is an interesting and extremely well-written character,
I don't think a lot of people deny she is interesting and well written. Without those features, she wouldn't have the personality that made a lot of people hate her.
I think she's well written because she's not actually remotely hateable when you dig beneath the surface.
If people knew she was well written they'd understand why hating on her is ridiculous.
I wouldn't necessarily say that, I think a well written character can also be defined on what players/viewers/readers think of them. I hate her personality, and to achieve that kind of reaction from someone she would naturally have to be well written.
I actually completely agree with this, I don't understand why she's so hated (other than the personality which I don't really even mind)