Mike and Bonnie Defense Thread

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  • edited February 2015

    No it doesn't, it shows that Vince was telling Becca to stop. I don't know where you get the feeling that it's a regular occurrence over just that.

    I find it very unlikely that Becca, the mean-spirited jerk, was perfectly lovely to Bonnie except in this one scene.

    That's not improbable at all, there have been multiple times in TWD universe where an entire group or the majority of it's members are pure evil.

    True enough, but we saw with Reggie, Bonnie, and to some extent Shel (she defends Sarah when Becca berates her) that this wasn't the case with this community. Seems to me the writers simply forgot about this moral dilemma, as it is NEVER addressed. Even if the whole community minus those three people were pure evil, you'd think Clem or Sarah or someone would at least mention how they doomed an entire community. Even Bonnie telling Clem "oh don't worry Clem, everyone there were jerks" would've sufficed rather than glossing the issue over.

    No. "Kenny's a crazy ass psycho, and if they were to try to escape, they shouldn't take Clem or AJ with them."

    Why shouldn't they take Clem or AJ with them? What, were they worried that Kenny would somehow track them down and kill them with no food or vehicle?

    It's not forgetting lol. They probably realized they were being stupid about it the entire time. After Clem came running back to the cabin after Pete got bit, they would have no reason to distrust her or be mean to her after that since she could have just cut and run at that point.

    If that was the case, a good writer would've made that clear.

    Carlos: I'm sorry for doubting you Clem, you've more than earned our trust. Please, I need you to look after Sarah.

    And you really weren't puzzled by Rebecca never ever bringing up the blackmail ever again?

    Green613 posted: »

    Vince's wary "That;s enough Becca!" when she's taunting Bonnie implies this was a regular occurrence. No it doesn't, it shows that V

  • I think I'm done arguing here since I can see this argument is going nowhere but I have to point out one thing.

    Why shouldn't they take Clem or AJ with them? What, were they worried that Kenny would somehow track them down and kill them with no food or vehicle?

    Did we forget that someone else did that in a certain game that came before this one?

    COUGH No Time Left COUGH. ;]

    No it doesn't, it shows that Vince was telling Becca to stop. I don't know where you get the feeling that it's a regular occurrence over jus

  • The stranger had a working vehicle though...

    The reason people hate Mike and Bonnie is that Clem would've surely died if they took all the food and the vehicle. So it's not unreasonable to assume Kenny would've died as well if they took everything.

    Green613 posted: »

    I think I'm done arguing here since I can see this argument is going nowhere but I have to point out one thing. Why shouldn't they tak

  • Stockholm syndrome? The guy's lost his arm, and it's quite possible that Carver actually cut it off. Being forced to rely on your captors tends to breed dependency.

    It was said that Mike cut off Reggie's arm and Mike was a prisoner at Howes, like the cabin group.

    Reggie's a nice guy based off his behavior towards the girls in the greenhouse. He frickin' tries to pat Clem on the head (why did that offend her?!) and his last words are "thanks for the help, girls."

    He was putting on a face to be nice and obedient, anyone can clearly see that. Pattin' Clem's head was just a funny way of expressing how nice it was for Clem to be working slave labor without causing a fuss.

    Bokor posted: »

    Stockholm syndrome? The guy's lost his arm, and it's quite possible that Carver actually cut it off. Being forced to rely on your captors

  • edited February 2015

    The stranger had a working vehicle though...

    A working vehicle that was left on for who knows how long till he found it. And with how little gas it probably had in it how did he make it to Savannah faster than the main group did with a damn train? Lol.

    The stranger had a working vehicle though... The reason people hate Mike and Bonnie is that Clem would've surely died if they took all th

  • Magic? The stranger was admittedly the most contrived part of Season 1, much as I love it. More importantly, he actually knew exactly where Clem was headed. Kenny would've known Bonnie and Mike took the kids "somewhere around Texas", I guess?

    Green613 posted: »

    The stranger had a working vehicle though... A working vehicle that was left on for who knows how long till he found it. And with ho

  • Getting away from Carver seemed more important to Clem, since it wasn't really safe at Howes. He killed Reggie over fucking blue-berries for crying out loud. After escaping I'm sure it was in everyone's best interest, even Clem's, to focus on her current situation instead of mourning the nameless, faceless, assholes that did nothing for her.

    So Clem thought the people in the compound who were like Reggie, completely nice but brainwashed, deserved to die horribly? I suppose that m

  • I'm not asking Clem to hold a memorial for people she never even met. I just find it very out of character for Clem, who used to be Season 1's moral compass, to not even think about the dozens of people who likely died, not even mention it in passing.

    DoubleJump posted: »

    Getting away from Carver seemed more important to Clem, since it wasn't really safe at Howes. He killed Reggie over fucking blue-berries for

  • edited February 2015

    Probably because they associated themselves with Carver and he was terrible to Clem. Why would she care about them, even a little, when focusing on herself is way more important. Did you really think when playing episode 4 that Clem should complain, to the people that just escaped Howes, about how Carver's people died back there?

    I'm not asking Clem to hold a memorial for people she never even met. I just find it very out of character for Clem, who used to be Season 1

  • Maybe if people didn't have 12-13 play-throughs under their belt, they wouldn't over-analyze this and many other decisions so much. Character inconsistency arguments? Because in real life, people aren't allowed to do unreasonable things in extreme conditions, right? I don't understand how the Mike/Bonnie/Arvo escape could catch anyone off guard. Did you actually play the game or just skim through it?

  • Defense Thread :D. But nah fuck them, I usually agree with ya, George but I don't know about this. Why would I risk my life for a young man who almost got me killed and got a member of my group killed hardly even a day prior as for Bonnie you already know

  • edited February 2015

    Game of Thrones is actually not doing that bad, I just checked and its actually in the mid-70s on Metascore which isn't bad at all. Also, a lot of other reviews are giving it a 8/10 or higher which is good score.

    Also, I agree with @zeke10. Laugh at most reviews, a lot of them are just bullshit .

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    You want to know something funny. I just was on metacritic, and noticed that the Metascore for each TTG is getting progressively worse. I

  • I'm pretty surprised too, but I agree that it is facing a tougher crowd. Its not getting bad scores at all though, like I said in my other comment.

    dojo32161 posted: »

    Nah, Tales from the Borderlands is doing as well as the other games on Metacritic. Don't know why Game of Thrones is getting lower reviews it's good as well, I guess it's facing a tougher crowd.

  • I hope on season 3 find arvo bonnie and mike and i kill all of them

  • I agree. No discussion, no compromise, just shoot the bstrds. I bet though we won't get the chance.

    CHRISPS4 posted: »

    I hope on season 3 find arvo bonnie and mike and i kill all of them

  • leave it to George to defend the two most treacherous people that Clementine has encountered.

    Arvo deserved the beating...at least the first one initially following the shootout....I was actually with Kenny when he wanted to kill him right there...or tie him to a tree ad leave (so he couldn't follow)---can't take him, but can't let him leave----the subsequent beatings were a wee bit excessive, but everyone wanted keep Arvo around.

    The fact that Bonnie and Mike were going to leave them without ANY supplies shows their true character....yeah, lets take all the supplies even though we know this will mean certain death for Aj....

    I don't care that bonnie yelled at Clementine. She blamed "Clementine." for not making the choice she wanted, that to me is 100 percent natural reasoning

    it may be natural reasoning, but it's not validly sound reasoning....

  • I still love Mike, Bonnie can go fuck herself, and I'm gonna kill Arvo.

    What they all did, it was bad. Yes. They should have left supplies. But for Mike and Bonnie to deserve death? That's stupid. Arvo deserves death though.

  • I disagree , if you get about 100 people reviewing a game, and the average score is a 5. It might give you pause before buying it.

    Game of Thrones is actually not doing that bad, I just checked and its actually in the mid-70s on Metascore which isn't bad at all. Also, a

  • Do you really think one bag of food would make a difference. I think that it was the writing really, why would mike just leave Clementine/AJ behind. Why wouldn't they take her with em.

    It makes no sense. Maybe because of Arvo's "hatred." but maybe that was written in just to explain his actions of shooting Clementine later in the episode.

    Lilacsbloom posted: »

    Put yourself in their situation, you see a old man beating the hell out of a cripple kid, what would you do? I think these characters get WA

  • edited February 2015

    I think I've calmed down enough to not just blow their heads off, first chance I get. They definitely have no redemption value, for me at least. If Clem never sees them again, I'd be cool with that. But bringing them back is only gonna make me mad again. Because every time I think of what Bonnie said after Luke, what Arvo did to Clementine, and what Mike didn't do, it just angers me to a point where I can't think straight, and I just think "Fuck em, they're dead".

  • Haven't seen a 5.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I disagree , if you get about 100 people reviewing a game, and the average score is a 5. It might give you pause before buying it.

  • edited February 2015

    There haven't been any 5's. The average score is around a 7.5, which is actually a fairly good score you know.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I disagree , if you get about 100 people reviewing a game, and the average score is a 5. It might give you pause before buying it.

  • Do you really think one bag of food would make a difference.

    Yes! Because it shows they still gave a damn, and one bag of food might've been more than enough for Clem's group to get somewhere to find more than just pretty much leaving them for dead and resulting in that stupid showdown we got with Kenny and Jane.

    And it doesn't matter if it's poor writing, they still did a shitty thing; I'm not forgiving Mike and Bonnie for that.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Do you really think one bag of food would make a difference. I think that it was the writing really, why would mike just leave Clementine/

  • If I were in their position I would have just left. I would have taken nothing and left in the dead of night without telling anyone.

  • Welcome to TWD season 2. Everyone is a piece of shit, whether written to be plot-fodder to make Kenny look good or not. The fact of the matter is that Bonnie and Mike both tried to fuck over a young girl, newborn (which oddly I don't hear people talking about AJ being plot-fodder), and a woman who was pretty much targeted by Kenneth since the beginning for no reason whatsoever.

    What I'm trying to say is that No Going Back was plot-fodder and shitty one at that. I'd like to think that everything that transpired in the episode was an elaborate dream sequence.

  • I share your anxiety Amid The Ruins and No Going Back were REAALLLY bad dreams

    Welcome to TWD season 2. Everyone is a piece of shit, whether written to be plot-fodder to make Kenny look good or not. The fact of the matt

  • NOt Literal, i was using 5 as a example. 7.5 Is shit, look at Rockstar.

    There haven't been any 5's. The average score is around a 7.5, which is actually a fairly good score you know.

  • CrazyGeorgeCrazyGeorge Banned
    edited February 2015

    Seems kind of petty imo. I mean what is one bag of food going to do for you, get you maybe another day or so. . I'm not going to hate mike for taking that food, or Bonnie for yelling at Clementine when she was upset.

    Another point is the whole food situation, the food was Arvo's in the first place. Kenny technically strong armed him into giving his food up, then he took it back during his escape attempt. Why would Arvo leave food for Kenny/Clementine/Jane. He would not.

    I guess i find it funny how the TWDG fans can be so fickle. I mean first they loved mike in episode four, then they hated him in episode five, because they blame him for Clementine getting shot, i think. People do things in life, that you may approve or dislike, that doesn't mean you have to stop liking them as a person, to each his own.

    Lilacsbloom posted: »

    Do you really think one bag of food would make a difference. Yes! Because it shows they still gave a damn, and one bag of food might

  • REAALLLY bad dreams

    Nightmares.

    Clemenem posted: »

    I share your anxiety Amid The Ruins and No Going Back were REAALLLY bad dreams

  • 7.5 honestly isn't shit bro, Metacritic labels 7 as "generally favorable reviews", so basically its good. Also, 7.5 is average whereas most of the reviews are 8/10 and above, which are great scores.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    NOt Literal, i was using 5 as a example. 7.5 Is shit, look at Rockstar.

  • leave it to George to defend the two most treacherous people that Clementine has encountered.

    Everyone needs a friend, sometimes.

    You should of been here when i made Nate defense posts, and pretty much me, and one other guy liked Nate.

    I'm fighter for the underdog.

    Aerie88 posted: »

    leave it to George to defend the two most treacherous people that Clementine has encountered. Arvo deserved the beating...at least the fi

  • One day? It was a big duffle bag! There might've lots of food in there. It would've lasted more much longer than a few days if it was the case, especially if it was rationed.

    And I don't hate them. I just can't forgive them.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Seems kind of petty imo. I mean what is one bag of food going to do for you, get you maybe another day or so. . I'm not going to hate mike

  • I was just generalizing the food was such a small amount it shouldn't of been the reason to "dislike" Mike/Bonnie imo, technically it was Arvo's in the first place, and if he didn't want to share with Kenny/Jane/Clementine...

    Why can't you forgive them? Forgiveness starts from within.

    Lilacsbloom posted: »

    One day? It was a big duffle bag! There might've lots of food in there. It would've lasted more much longer than a few days if it was the case, especially if it was rationed. And I don't hate them. I just can't forgive them.

  • And me

    Natetion

    FUCKTHEHATERS

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    leave it to George to defend the two most treacherous people that Clementine has encountered. Everyone needs a friend, sometimes.

  • Troy treated Clem.

    Troy was a impressionable fool, he wasn't a evil person, just very influential. He saved Clementine's life. He didn't have to safe her life, he could of let her die, if he wanted to. He didn't. He chose to save her.

    Green613 posted: »

    She clearly hated Becca What? How would you even know that? I'm pretty sure they had like 3 lines of dialogue towards each other at

  • CrazyGeorgeCrazyGeorge Banned
    edited February 2015

    7.5 honestly isn't shit bro,

    You know what, you are right. However, its still not game of the Year Material, its not going to get even a honorable mention at 7.5.

    I know TTG is capable of making great games, i just want them to step up their game before they end up like THQ or lesser degree SquareSoft.

    7.5 honestly isn't shit bro, Metacritic labels 7 as "generally favorable reviews", so basically its good. Also, 7.5 is average whereas most of the reviews are 8/10 and above, which are great scores.

  • edited February 2015

    technically it was Arvo's in the first place, and if he didn't want to share with Kenny/Jane/Clementine...

    To be fair, I'm pretty sure Arvo was supposed to take them to the food in exchange for his life, so I don't think it belonged to solely him anymore. But then again, Kenny and determinantly Clementine are the only ones who can advocate to kill him in the first place and I think the whole group would have to be on board with a deal like that for it to be official so idk.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I was just generalizing the food was such a small amount it shouldn't of been the reason to "dislike" Mike/Bonnie imo, technically it was A

  • Because that small amount of food might mean the difference between the live and death of a little kid, and inevitably the baby if there's nobody left alive to care for it. If they were nice enough to free Arvo and escape, then they should've been nice enough to consider the life of the two other kids in that group. For example if you stranded me out in the desert after making off with all the food and water in the night, you honestly think I'm going to say 'no hard feelings, bro' the next time I see you? And this isn't even including the part about me getting shot and left bleeding out on the sands because the big scary rattle snakes scared you off.

    I've nothing left to say or explain, because I've explained it clear enough. The characters get no sympathy from me because they just went and proved themselves no longer trustworthy, and Clementine would be utterly stupid to trust them again. The End.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I was just generalizing the food was such a small amount it shouldn't of been the reason to "dislike" Mike/Bonnie imo, technically it was A

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited February 2015

    I'd definitely forgive Mike in particular. Not so much Bonnie, though.

  • The ZA is a dog-eat-dog world. Once you separate from the group, their survival is none of your concern.

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