Oh, that's true that Clem does volunteer. But he didn't know how to do it in the first place and somehow Clem does? Still doesn't make any sense to me.
Your second point is exactly what I'm talking about- the conflict between people's expectations of her versus Clem's actual character. That was one of the very few times anyone even called her a little girl, and then after that it all just disappeared. If that could've happened more often then it would've been more interesting, I agree completely.
I can't agree with your final point though- Jane herself could've been taken up (I'm assuming she's light enough to get up there, and size doesn't actually matter that much when it comes to hiding- it's more about knowing were to hide, blending in, and Jane with her experience could have done that easily. And you also have to remember that Clem doesn't volunteer for that thing- everyone just comically slowly turns towards her.
I disagree about the wind turbine thing....Carlos didn't tell her to do it. Carlos asks if anyone knows what to do and Clementine actually v… moreolunteers to do it...now whether she should've done it or been allowed to whatever...that's a different story, but as you said, that's not really any fault of her character
and Carlos does protest when Luke wants Clementine to check the bridge with him, but Clementine says that she can do it. But that could've offered an interesting dynamic if they had pushed it more.
and when they're escaping Howe's, the herd idea was Jane's...getting the walkie talkies....I think Clem was the best option for the endeavor...she's the smallest so she would have an easier time sneaking around unnoticed, being able to hide behind things better...And i think having her go in the vent in the meat locker to find a way out was way more dangerous given her inexperience.
Clem's story shouldn't be ambiguous, no way. And TT themselves would be idiots to do such a thing- they can take the story in so many directions, so suddenly getting rid of Clem would be a waste of potential.
I think that TT did the right thing doing the DLC though. What I can't understand is why so many people think they were "wasted potential": Bonnie had her time in the light (and for all we know she might appear in S3); Vince was cool but otherwise didn't have that much depth and a backstory that pretty much mirrored Lee's; Russell was just one of those characters who doesn't have any real depth (though I agree that they did underuse Nate and I'd love to see him in the proper series); Wyatt's story was interesting enough but otherwise there's not much you could do with it and neither characters actually have any depth at all. I'll admit, Becca was the only one they could've done something with but then if TT had used Becca there'd be a million and one people shouting about what happened to Clem.
Clementine is a much better character as you form a bond with her, the foundations being built in S1 were the whole plot of the game is basically to protect Clem, and then in S2. And besides, Clem is obviously younger than Becca- Becca's character is more or less fixed as a kid messed up by the apocalypse (for some reason she reminds of how Jane might have been when she was younger), whilst Clem's character is still developing and getting to be a part of that process is a lot more interesting.
Simple: Clementine's story would be left ambiguous with the epilogue of Season 1, and Season 2 would focus on the cast of 400 Days. No need for off-screen deaths.
Clementine is obviously not a typical 11 year old girl. At one point she was a typical 8 year old girl, but that was before the dead started… more to walk, remember? Clementines character is perfectly written as far as I'm concerned. She's years developed in a zombie apocalypse. Why would she have some sort of emotional breakdown caused by name calling, when's she's been slashing adult sized zombies over the head with a hatchet for the past two years?
Good thread here. I take it as a character analysis of both. Becca is older and going through her teen years thats why she has the attitude and edgyness as you call it. Clementine was an innocent angel when we first met her and was a symbol of innocence and purity throughout S2 she lost a lot of that. She still hasn't gone through teen years thus hadn't had the cynicism and cold attitude Becca does
Clementine is obviously not a typical 11 year old girl. At one point she was a typical 8 year old girl, but that was before the dead started… more to walk, remember? Clementines character is perfectly written as far as I'm concerned. She's years developed in a zombie apocalypse. Why would she have some sort of emotional breakdown caused by name calling, when's she's been slashing adult sized zombies over the head with a hatchet for the past two years?
If they hadn't decided to return to Clem for Season 2, then 400 Days would be a sign of the series' new direction: Focusing on an entirely new cast each season. Much like how George Romero's zombie films are all stand-alone stories rather than direct sequels.
I think Telltale realized they were way in over their head with writing a child protagonist, hence why they planned early on to use Kenny as a crutch.
The problem is that a cold, wannabe-tough girl like Becca would actually be a much better fit for the role Season 2 Clementine is in.
Pretty sure you say that because like so many others on the forum, you see the 400 days characters as "wasted potential", right?
I'm star… moreting to think maybe Telltale shouldn't have done the DLC, so as to stop the water works. Leaving Clementines story ambiguous? Lets be honest, everyone wanted to know what happens next, not switch protagonist, but since Clems story I assume left a bad taste in your mouth, you feel we should've just tried our hand at Becca instead? Becca would die as protagonist or if she were to survive, she'd have the role of deuteragonist, maybe even tritagonist since everyone likes to argue realism so much..
If they hadn't decided to return to Clem for Season 2, then 400 Days would be a sign of the series' new direction: Focusing on an entirely n… moreew cast each season. Much like how George Romero's zombie films are all stand-alone stories rather than direct sequels.
I think Telltale realized they were way in over their head with writing a child protagonist, hence why they planned early on to use Kenny as a crutch.
The problem is that a cold, wannabe-tough girl like Becca would actually be a much better fit for the role Season 2 Clementine is in.
The problem with 400 Days is that we were told our choices there would significantly affect S2...Bonnie goes with Tavia no matter how you play her...that's why she's able to have a bigger part...b/c she's not actually determinant like the other characters...and if the other characters make it to Howes there are no chances to interact with them. Them being in Howes could've had a bigger impact on ep. 3
Clem's story shouldn't be ambiguous, no way. And TT themselves would be idiots to do such a thing- they can take the story in so many direct… moreions, so suddenly getting rid of Clem would be a waste of potential.
I think that TT did the right thing doing the DLC though. What I can't understand is why so many people think they were "wasted potential": Bonnie had her time in the light (and for all we know she might appear in S3); Vince was cool but otherwise didn't have that much depth and a backstory that pretty much mirrored Lee's; Russell was just one of those characters who doesn't have any real depth (though I agree that they did underuse Nate and I'd love to see him in the proper series); Wyatt's story was interesting enough but otherwise there's not much you could do with it and neither characters actually have any depth at all. I'll admit, Becca was the only one they could've done something with but then if TT had used Becca there'd be a… [view original content]
they had said that the latter couldn't hold someone much bigger than Clementine. Knowing where to hide helps, but that's not gonna matter if you can't fit behind or underneath something...Clem doesn't volunteer to do it, but the latter will break if anyone else does it so she's kinda left with no choice if they want to get the chirpers
Oh, that's true that Clem does volunteer. But he didn't know how to do it in the first place and somehow Clem does? Still doesn't make any s… moreense to me.
Your second point is exactly what I'm talking about- the conflict between people's expectations of her versus Clem's actual character. That was one of the very few times anyone even called her a little girl, and then after that it all just disappeared. If that could've happened more often then it would've been more interesting, I agree completely.
I can't agree with your final point though- Jane herself could've been taken up (I'm assuming she's light enough to get up there, and size doesn't actually matter that much when it comes to hiding- it's more about knowing were to hide, blending in, and Jane with her experience could have done that easily. And you also have to remember that Clem doesn't volunteer for that thing- everyone just comically slowly turns towards her.
Well Clementine did lose pretty much everything:
Parents she saw dead
Babysitter dead
Killed Lee/Saw Lee Die
Saw Carley get murd… moreered
Killed/saw Stranger get killed
Saw Lee kill the st. John's(s)
Saw Omid get killed
So it takes a toll on the mind of a human fictional or not.
Becca still has her sister. Which is not much but you can tell how close they are.
And if Clementine couldn't control herself it makes everything that Lee told her about being strong in Season 1 meaningless.
Clementine is obviously not a typical 11 year old girl. At one point she was a typical 8 year old girl, but that was before the dead started… more to walk, remember? Clementines character is perfectly written as far as I'm concerned. She's years developed in a zombie apocalypse. Why would she have some sort of emotional breakdown caused by name calling, when's she's been slashing adult sized zombies over the head with a hatchet for the past two years?
they had said that the latter couldn't hold someone much bigger than Clementine. Knowing where to hide helps, but that's not gonna matter if… more you can't fit behind or underneath something...Clem doesn't volunteer to do it, but the latter will break if anyone else does it so she's kinda left with no choice if they want to get the chirpers
Yea. I would've liked it if you could've interacted with the 400 Days characters more and then chose which one to put your trust in and reveal the plan to escape to them. That would've been really good- instead we just got stuck with that traitor Bonnie >:(
The problem with 400 Days is that we were told our choices there would significantly affect S2...Bonnie goes with Tavia no matter how you pl… moreay her...that's why she's able to have a bigger part...b/c she's not actually determinant like the other characters...and if the other characters make it to Howes there are no chances to interact with them. Them being in Howes could've had a bigger impact on ep. 3
Clementine is obviously not a typical 11 year old girl.
You are right. SHe is not a believable character at all. She is a robot. As someone that went through darkness in my own life, not a fucking chance.
Clementine is obviously not a typical 11 year old girl.
You are right. SHe is not a believable character at all. She is a robot. As someone that went through darkness in my own life, not a fucking chance.
You are right. SHe is not a believable character at all.
Because all 11 year old girls are the same? This comment is pure ignorance.… more
As someone that went through darkness in my own life, not a fucking chance.
You haven't experienced anything nearly as cryptic as a zombie apocalypse. Stop trying to liken yourself to a video game character.
I love Clementine's Emotional inconsistencies, she cried when Kenny leaves Wellington, but not shooting Kenny, Luke, whoever, dying or anyone else. BUT KENNY leaving her in Wellington, that was the emotional breakthrough.
Becca is full of edginess and Clementine is not, therefore Becca is a better written character than Clementine
Only in these forums … moreyou would hear such nonsense.
"Oh man I've seen the entire human population be wiped out, lost my childhood and most of my loved ones, even had to shoot the most important person in my life!, I've been very very hungry for the past 2 years so I'm gonna cry like a baby cuz a random girl was mean to me"
Good thread here. I take it as a character analysis of both. Becca is older and going through her teen years thats why she has the attitude … moreand edgyness as you call it. Clementine was an innocent angel when we first met her and was a symbol of innocence and purity throughout S2 she lost a lot of that. She still hasn't gone through teen years thus hadn't had the cynicism and cold attitude Becca does
I understand this, however the way she is written is unrealistic to me. To me i find it it would be illogical to think that she hasn't suffered emotional damage. You would think she would have trust issues, attachment issues, self esteem, everything, addictive personality. She isn't taking any medication, and those illnesses don't get better in time, they get worse.
If they don't write clementine as a drunk as the next season, it just isn't realistic to me. I'm sorry, she would find a way to deal with it.
Well Clementine did lose pretty much everything:
Parents she saw dead
Babysitter dead
Killed Lee/Saw Lee Die
Saw Carley get murd… moreered
Killed/saw Stranger get killed
Saw Lee kill the st. John's(s)
Saw Omid get killed
So it takes a toll on the mind of a human fictional or not.
Becca still has her sister. Which is not much but you can tell how close they are.
And if Clementine couldn't control herself it makes everything that Lee told her about being strong in Season 1 meaningless.
oh yeah, it's convenient, but they had to do that so that the player is the one who goes to look for the talkies...Clem can voice her annoyance at that too and say "why is it always me?"...and the writers allow Clem to voice her opinion about having to do everything all the time a few times(at Howes and Parker's Run)....so the writers are aware of this...and Lee is the one who does everything in S1...yes, he's an adult and was physically able to do everything...was everyone else just completely stupid? No, Lee just had to do everything because he's the PC...same thing with Clementine...they just make the circumstances fit her situation..whether she's 11 or 21, Clementine is the one getting the walkie talkies
ALL ELEVEN YEAR OLD GIRLS ACT LIKE ROBOTS. That is what you are saying right?
How the hell did you convert that from my post? The only person talking about "robots" was you.
Children act like children. Hence some of the responses in this thread.
Clementine's a video game character who is a contrast of "everyday children" because of her own life experiences. That's clearly something you have trouble understanding.
YOU WIN. Happy. Have a cookie.
You open a discussion then give up when bombarded with common sense. Good job. Clementine doesn't have to be a whiny coward to be a believable character. If Telltale was oblivious on how to write-in scared, "believable" children how in the hell do you think season one Clementine, Sarah or Duck were created? Clementine isn't like them, Jane said it, Carver knew it. Anyone who played this game with any sort of awareness knew it.
Btw, I like how you called some response(s) childish then ended your posting with "Happy, have a cookie". I literally ain't said anything similar to that since I was 12. Kids say that to conclude arguments.. when they're wrong.
Because all 11 year old girls are the same? This comment is pure ignorance.
ALL ELEVEN YEAR OLD GIRLS ACT LIKE ROBOTS. That is what … moreyou are saying right? Children act like children. Hence some of the responses in this thread.
You haven't experienced anything nearly as cryptic as a zombie apocalypse. Stop trying to liken yourself to a video game character.
LOL i'm nothing like Clementine, I don't even know what to say to this statement. YOU WIN. Happy. Have a cookie.
I love Clementine's Emotional inconsistencies, she cried when Kenny leaves Wellington, but not shooting Kenny, Luke, whoever, dying or anyon… moree else. BUT KENNY leaving her in Wellington, that was the emotional breakthrough.
LOL GOOD CHARACTER Development.
I love Clementine's Emotional inconsistencies, she cried when Kenny leaves Wellington, but not shooting Kenny, Luke, whoever, dying or anyon… moree else. BUT KENNY leaving her in Wellington, that was the emotional breakthrough.
LOL GOOD CHARACTER Development.
Hilarious, common sense tells me a child wouldn't act like Clementine.
. Clementine doesn't have to be a whiny coward to be a believable character
No , you are right. She has to have emotion, and show weakness to be a realistic believable character.
Clementine isn't like them,
SHE IS A ROBOT. Not really, but she plays like one.
Btw, I like how you called some response(s) childish then ended your posting with "Happy, have a cookie". I literally ain't said anything similar to that since I was 12. Kids say that to conclude arguments..
What was the point of telling me that if you are so mature and smarter than i? Is it to show how self righteous you are? Shit smells no matter what direction it is thrown. I let you win, and you still pushed it, want to see how far this will get , keep pushing it.
ALL ELEVEN YEAR OLD GIRLS ACT LIKE ROBOTS. That is what you are saying right?
How the hell did you convert that from my post? The on… morely person talking about "robots" was you.
Children act like children. Hence some of the responses in this thread.
Clementine's a video game character who is a contrast of "everyday children" because of her own life experiences. That's clearly something you have trouble understanding.
YOU WIN. Happy. Have a cookie.
You open a discussion then give up when bombarded with common sense. Good job. Clementine doesn't have to be a whiny coward to be a believable character. If Telltale was oblivious on how to write-in scared, "believable" children how in the hell do you think season one Clementine, Sarah or Duck were created? Clementine isn't like them, Jane said it, Carver knew it. Anyone who played this game with any sort of awareness knew it.
Btw, I like how you called some respon… [view original content]
What was the point of telling me that if you are so mature and smarter than i? Is it to show how self righteous you are?
Well since you asked, I found your contradiction amusing considering it was made in the exact same post. And I appreciate that you acknowledge me as someone who is more mature and smarter than you because I literally said nothing at all about it.
Shit smells no matter what direction it is thrown. I let you win, and you still pushed it, want to see how far this will get , keep pushing it.
You didn't "let me win", there's no game being played here. You simply have no decent counter argument. Fool post a topic, states in the very first reply for anyone who agrees/disagree to "start a discussion" and now Fool is upset, I don't understand.
bombarded with common sense
Hilarious, common sense tells me a child wouldn't act like Clementine.
. Clementine doesn't have t… moreo be a whiny coward to be a believable character
No , you are right. She has to have emotion, and show weakness to be a realistic believable character.
Clementine isn't like them,
SHE IS A ROBOT. Not really, but she plays like one.
Btw, I like how you called some response(s) childish then ended your posting with "Happy, have a cookie". I literally ain't said anything similar to that since I was 12. Kids say that to conclude arguments..
What was the point of telling me that if you are so mature and smarter than i? Is it to show how self righteous you are? Shit smells no matter what direction it is thrown. I let you win, and you still pushed it, want to see how far this will get , keep pushing it.
So Arvo, Bonnie, and Mike get away with being shitty characters cause of the writers but Clementine doesn't?
You hound on Clem a lot for being inconsistent but say "He (Arvo) shoots Clementine for plot." And that's your defense for his character making a 180 degree turn? If Arvo gets to get off being plot-fodder, why not Clementine's "emotional inconsistencies?" Is it cause disliking her seems more against the grain? I'm trying to understand.
I get what your saying. I know they had to include the player, but maybe they could have made differences to the plot so it didn't actually OVER-INCLUDE Clem so much.
oh yeah, it's convenient, but they had to do that so that the player is the one who goes to look for the talkies...Clem can voice her annoya… morence at that too and say "why is it always me?"...and the writers allow Clem to voice her opinion about having to do everything all the time a few times(at Howes and Parker's Run)....so the writers are aware of this...and Lee is the one who does everything in S1...yes, he's an adult and was physically able to do everything...was everyone else just completely stupid? No, Lee just had to do everything because he's the PC...same thing with Clementine...they just make the circumstances fit her situation..whether she's 11 or 21, Clementine is the one getting the walkie talkies
yeah, but so was Lee and no one really complains how unrealistic is was to expect Lee to do everything. at the motor inn he almost single-handedly kills all the walkers there...he did have an assist from Carley...at the St. Johns..Lee is the one that kills the three of them, determinantly...on the train, Lee has to figure out how to start it and to uncouple it when Ben and Chuck are capable of helping out...at Crawford Lee ends up having to help get the medicine and the car battery...when the bandits attack the motel, Lee has to save everyone...no matter who the PC is they're going to be over-included just b/c they're the PC...
I get what your saying. I know they had to include the player, but maybe they could have made differences to the plot so it didn't actually OVER-INCLUDE Clem so much.
I love Clementine's Emotional inconsistencies, she cried when Kenny leaves Wellington, but not shooting Kenny, Luke, whoever, dying or anyon… moree else. BUT KENNY leaving her in Wellington, that was the emotional breakthrough.
LOL GOOD CHARACTER Development.
No, she doesn't. She was amazing in Season 1, but she was still a child. She needs to be a child. Being a child doesn't always mean being immature. It means you don't have the majority of the answers. Clementine is treated as if she knows as much as anyone else. That's some BS.
No, she doesn't. She was amazing in Season 1, but she was still a child. She needs to be a child. Being a child doesn't always mean being im… moremature. It means you don't have the majority of the answers. Clementine is treated as if she knows as much as anyone else. That's some BS.
Ok, fair enough. But a child WOULDN'T have all the answers. No matter how much you talked to them, or trained them. Not at 11 years old. However, I don't believe a child at her age is capable of taking on responsibilities as she did, either. She's not a developed human being, no matter how much shit she goes through.
Season 2 had a number of issues, and one of the big ones was that the writers didn't seem to know how to handle a little girl as the protagonist, so they kind of just shrugged and acted as if she were an adult the entire season. I don't care how mature she acts: no group of adults would send a little girl into danger as regularly, and unhesitatingly, as the adults do here. Nor would any little girl this side of a full-blown sociopath handle all the horrible shit that was thrown at Clem this season as casually as she seems to take it.
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Oh, that's true that Clem does volunteer. But he didn't know how to do it in the first place and somehow Clem does? Still doesn't make any sense to me.
Your second point is exactly what I'm talking about- the conflict between people's expectations of her versus Clem's actual character. That was one of the very few times anyone even called her a little girl, and then after that it all just disappeared. If that could've happened more often then it would've been more interesting, I agree completely.
I can't agree with your final point though- Jane herself could've been taken up (I'm assuming she's light enough to get up there, and size doesn't actually matter that much when it comes to hiding- it's more about knowing were to hide, blending in, and Jane with her experience could have done that easily. And you also have to remember that Clem doesn't volunteer for that thing- everyone just comically slowly turns towards her.
Clem's story shouldn't be ambiguous, no way. And TT themselves would be idiots to do such a thing- they can take the story in so many directions, so suddenly getting rid of Clem would be a waste of potential.
I think that TT did the right thing doing the DLC though. What I can't understand is why so many people think they were "wasted potential": Bonnie had her time in the light (and for all we know she might appear in S3); Vince was cool but otherwise didn't have that much depth and a backstory that pretty much mirrored Lee's; Russell was just one of those characters who doesn't have any real depth (though I agree that they did underuse Nate and I'd love to see him in the proper series); Wyatt's story was interesting enough but otherwise there's not much you could do with it and neither characters actually have any depth at all. I'll admit, Becca was the only one they could've done something with but then if TT had used Becca there'd be a million and one people shouting about what happened to Clem.
Clementine is a much better character as you form a bond with her, the foundations being built in S1 were the whole plot of the game is basically to protect Clem, and then in S2. And besides, Clem is obviously younger than Becca- Becca's character is more or less fixed as a kid messed up by the apocalypse (for some reason she reminds of how Jane might have been when she was younger), whilst Clem's character is still developing and getting to be a part of that process is a lot more interesting.
Exactly.
Good thread here. I take it as a character analysis of both. Becca is older and going through her teen years thats why she has the attitude and edgyness as you call it. Clementine was an innocent angel when we first met her and was a symbol of innocence and purity throughout S2 she lost a lot of that. She still hasn't gone through teen years thus hadn't had the cynicism and cold attitude Becca does
Apples and Oranges, imo.
If they hadn't decided to return to Clem for Season 2, then 400 Days would be a sign of the series' new direction: Focusing on an entirely new cast each season. Much like how George Romero's zombie films are all stand-alone stories rather than direct sequels.
I think Telltale realized they were way in over their head with writing a child protagonist, hence why they planned early on to use Kenny as a crutch.
The problem is that a cold, wannabe-tough girl like Becca would actually be a much better fit for the role Season 2 Clementine is in.
I actually agree with this. Becca would've worked better for pretty much every scene in Season 2.
The problem with 400 Days is that we were told our choices there would significantly affect S2...Bonnie goes with Tavia no matter how you play her...that's why she's able to have a bigger part...b/c she's not actually determinant like the other characters...and if the other characters make it to Howes there are no chances to interact with them. Them being in Howes could've had a bigger impact on ep. 3
they had said that the latter couldn't hold someone much bigger than Clementine. Knowing where to hide helps, but that's not gonna matter if you can't fit behind or underneath something...Clem doesn't volunteer to do it, but the latter will break if anyone else does it so she's kinda left with no choice if they want to get the chirpers
Or Doug. And she also saw Mark legless , Doug/Carley getting eaten alive and Larry getting saltlicked.
You are right. SHe is not a believable character at all. She is a robot. As someone that went through darkness in my own life, not a fucking chance.
I know, the situation fits Clem perfectly- which annoys me as well since its pretty co-incidental that no one but her can go.
Yea. I would've liked it if you could've interacted with the 400 Days characters more and then chose which one to put your trust in and reveal the plan to escape to them. That would've been really good- instead we just got stuck with that traitor Bonnie >:(
But everyone deals with there own personal demons in there own why, such as Clementine in this case.
Because all 11 year old girls are the same? This comment is pure ignorance.
You haven't experienced anything nearly as cryptic as a zombie apocalypse. Stop trying to liken yourself to a video game character.
ALL ELEVEN YEAR OLD GIRLS ACT LIKE ROBOTS. That is what you are saying right? Children act like children. Hence some of the responses in this thread.
LOL i'm nothing like Clementine, I don't even know what to say to this statement. YOU WIN. Happy. Have a cookie.
I love Clementine's Emotional inconsistencies, she cried when Kenny leaves Wellington, but not shooting Kenny, Luke, whoever, dying or anyone else. BUT KENNY leaving her in Wellington, that was the emotional breakthrough.
LOL GOOD CHARACTER Development.
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i agree, it would of been actually more believable if Becca ran into Kenny instead of Clementine.
That shit was so bad it gave me indigestion.
I understand this, however the way she is written is unrealistic to me. To me i find it it would be illogical to think that she hasn't suffered emotional damage. You would think she would have trust issues, attachment issues, self esteem, everything, addictive personality. She isn't taking any medication, and those illnesses don't get better in time, they get worse.
If they don't write clementine as a drunk as the next season, it just isn't realistic to me. I'm sorry, she would find a way to deal with it.
oh yeah, it's convenient, but they had to do that so that the player is the one who goes to look for the talkies...Clem can voice her annoyance at that too and say "why is it always me?"...and the writers allow Clem to voice her opinion about having to do everything all the time a few times(at Howes and Parker's Run)....so the writers are aware of this...and Lee is the one who does everything in S1...yes, he's an adult and was physically able to do everything...was everyone else just completely stupid? No, Lee just had to do everything because he's the PC...same thing with Clementine...they just make the circumstances fit her situation..whether she's 11 or 21, Clementine is the one getting the walkie talkies
How the hell did you convert that from my post? The only person talking about "robots" was you.
Clementine's a video game character who is a contrast of "everyday children" because of her own life experiences. That's clearly something you have trouble understanding.
You open a discussion then give up when bombarded with common sense. Good job. Clementine doesn't have to be a whiny coward to be a believable character. If Telltale was oblivious on how to write-in scared, "believable" children how in the hell do you think season one Clementine, Sarah or Duck were created? Clementine isn't like them, Jane said it, Carver knew it. Anyone who played this game with any sort of awareness knew it.
Btw, I like how you called some response(s) childish then ended your posting with "Happy, have a cookie". I literally ain't said anything similar to that since I was 12. Kids say that to conclude arguments.. when they're wrong.
It's the writers' fault, just like when you made the Arvo defense thread and stated it wasn't him as much as the writers' fault... right?
Or how she never cried for her dead parents, but for a guy she knew for 3 months.
Deflection...
I won't fall for such games, either respond to what i said, or don't.
Hilarious, common sense tells me a child wouldn't act like Clementine.
No , you are right. She has to have emotion, and show weakness to be a realistic believable character.
SHE IS A ROBOT. Not really, but she plays like one.
What was the point of telling me that if you are so mature and smarter than i? Is it to show how self righteous you are? Shit smells no matter what direction it is thrown. I let you win, and you still pushed it, want to see how far this will get , keep pushing it.
Becca keeps trying to be a hardass, keeps trying to act older than she is.
I like that Clem still can keep her childish features(some at least).
Well since you asked, I found your contradiction amusing considering it was made in the exact same post. And I appreciate that you acknowledge me as someone who is more mature and smarter than you because I literally said nothing at all about it.
You didn't "let me win", there's no game being played here. You simply have no decent counter argument. Fool post a topic, states in the very first reply for anyone who agrees/disagree to "start a discussion" and now Fool is upset, I don't understand.
So Arvo, Bonnie, and Mike get away with being shitty characters cause of the writers but Clementine doesn't?
You hound on Clem a lot for being inconsistent but say "He (Arvo) shoots Clementine for plot." And that's your defense for his character making a 180 degree turn? If Arvo gets to get off being plot-fodder, why not Clementine's "emotional inconsistencies?" Is it cause disliking her seems more against the grain? I'm trying to understand.
Becca is a brat.
Clementine is a badass.
The end.
and she never cries over Christa Omid...when Christa kept her alive for over a year by herself
I get what your saying. I know they had to include the player, but maybe they could have made differences to the plot so it didn't actually OVER-INCLUDE Clem so much.
yeah, but so was Lee and no one really complains how unrealistic is was to expect Lee to do everything. at the motor inn he almost single-handedly kills all the walkers there...he did have an assist from Carley...at the St. Johns..Lee is the one that kills the three of them, determinantly...on the train, Lee has to figure out how to start it and to uncouple it when Ben and Chuck are capable of helping out...at Crawford Lee ends up having to help get the medicine and the car battery...when the bandits attack the motel, Lee has to save everyone...no matter who the PC is they're going to be over-included just b/c they're the PC...
Obvious troll post is obvious.
So I guess those are just fake tears amiright?
No, she doesn't. She was amazing in Season 1, but she was still a child. She needs to be a child. Being a child doesn't always mean being immature. It means you don't have the majority of the answers. Clementine is treated as if she knows as much as anyone else. That's some BS.
Being an adult isn't about having all the answers. It's about taking on responsibilities while being responsible for one's self as well
Ok, fair enough. But a child WOULDN'T have all the answers. No matter how much you talked to them, or trained them. Not at 11 years old. However, I don't believe a child at her age is capable of taking on responsibilities as she did, either. She's not a developed human being, no matter how much shit she goes through.
Season 2 had a number of issues, and one of the big ones was that the writers didn't seem to know how to handle a little girl as the protagonist, so they kind of just shrugged and acted as if she were an adult the entire season. I don't care how mature she acts: no group of adults would send a little girl into danger as regularly, and unhesitatingly, as the adults do here. Nor would any little girl this side of a full-blown sociopath handle all the horrible shit that was thrown at Clem this season as casually as she seems to take it.