"Do you feel safe around Kenny, knowing that he's basically a ticking time bomb and could very well get us killed by not getting his already-out-of-control emotions under check?"
I think Jane believed that she couldn't convince Clementine to abandon Kenny, or at least that's what I think.
Anyway, your post was great to read and gave real criticism about the character. (The other user gave a good example of misinformation.)
My problem with Jane is that for a pragmatic survivor, she's not as cunning as she likes to think she is, and she ultimately causes more tro… moreuble and deaths just to make a point. She's ultimately responsible for risking the safety of the entire group, and indirectly causing Sarah's death, as well as endangering a baby's life just to prove a point that a clearly unstable man is...unstable.
She's the cause of Sarah's death in two paths, by encouraging Clementine to abandon a vulnerable and scared girl to the walkers, in a situation that Clementine, Jane, and Luke indirectly created by inadvertently luring them in the trailer while rescuing Sarah and Luke. She also ends up distracting Luke with the proposition of sex instead of letting him do his job as a scout, which ends up getting Sarah killed, and thus undoing all of your hard work in saving her the first time. In fact, had Sarah not noticed the walkers (which was Luke's job), the walkers … [view original content]
"Do you feel safe around Kenny, knowing that he's basically a ticking time bomb and could very well get us killed by not getting his already… more-out-of-control emotions under check?"
I think Jane believed that she couldn't convince Clementine to abandon Kenny, or at least that's what I think.
Anyway, your post was great to read and gave real criticism about the character. (The other user gave a good example of misinformation.)
My problem with Jane is that for a pragmatic survivor, she's not as cunning as she likes to think she is, and she ultimately causes more tro… moreuble and deaths just to make a point. She's ultimately responsible for risking the safety of the entire group, and indirectly causing Sarah's death, as well as endangering a baby's life just to prove a point that a clearly unstable man is...unstable.
She's the cause of Sarah's death in two paths, by encouraging Clementine to abandon a vulnerable and scared girl to the walkers, in a situation that Clementine, Jane, and Luke indirectly created by inadvertently luring them in the trailer while rescuing Sarah and Luke. She also ends up distracting Luke with the proposition of sex instead of letting him do his job as a scout, which ends up getting Sarah killed, and thus undoing all of your hard work in saving her the first time. In fact, had Sarah not noticed the walkers (which was Luke's job), the walkers … [view original content]
My problem with Jane is that for a pragmatic survivor, she's not as cunning as she likes to think she is, and she ultimately causes more tro… moreuble and deaths just to make a point. She's ultimately responsible for risking the safety of the entire group, and indirectly causing Sarah's death, as well as endangering a baby's life just to prove a point that a clearly unstable man is...unstable.
She's the cause of Sarah's death in two paths, by encouraging Clementine to abandon a vulnerable and scared girl to the walkers, in a situation that Clementine, Jane, and Luke indirectly created by inadvertently luring them in the trailer while rescuing Sarah and Luke. She also ends up distracting Luke with the proposition of sex instead of letting him do his job as a scout, which ends up getting Sarah killed, and thus undoing all of your hard work in saving her the first time. In fact, had Sarah not noticed the walkers (which was Luke's job), the walkers … [view original content]
It's Kenny lovers self-defense. Deep inside they know he was dangerous maniac, but they want to silence the voice of reason. That's why they are demonizing Jane and exaggerating her deeds or words.
Walkers can hardly break house windows let alone smash car windows, which are made very strong on purpose.
Well, I'm sure that's a fault on Telltale's part considering we've seen walkers take down grown men and even they struggle.
Who was Clem a friend with non-determinantly, strong enough that she'd never ever ever even consider leaving them, regardless of how the player plays her character?
Didn't mean it as "friends 4eva woo!" I'm talking about her group, and trying to teach Clementine that everyone around her is a burden and she should go on her own.
Right, because we know exactly what happened.
Luke literally said "she made an offer." She asked him if he wanted to have with her.
Where he's vulnerable to walkers smashing the window?
Walkers can hardly break house windows let alone smash car windows, which are … moremade very strong on purpose.
Trying to get Clementine to ditch her ** friends**????
Who was Clem a friend with non-determinantly, strong enough that she'd never ever ever even consider leaving them, regardless of how the player plays her character?
Asking an emotionally raw man to have sex with her?????
Right, because we know exactly what happened.
Because it's a shitty character that caters to feminist tumblrinas with braindead ideologies. How else is Telltale going to be hailed as a p… morerogressive company if it isn't by having a black kid be raised by two moms.
Pierre Shorette, Ph.D in Women's Studies and Basket Weaving.
See this is one of the illogical reasons for hating Jane.
She shows constantly that she doesn't only care about herself. If she only care… mored about herself she would have abandoned the group as soon as she escaped Howe's.
Jane rescues Clem from the water, and runs, carrying her, on a frozen lake that is breaking up, putting her life significantly at risk. She then puts clem right in front of the fire and immediately tries to light it.
She also saves Kenny's life.
She clearly does care.
The only reason this cause for dislike is ever given now is because it's what Kenny says in the car, and parroting what Kenny says is a favourite of his fans. His reason for saying that is not based on logic - he was pissed off and made up a reason to dislike her in desperation.
It wasn't only his physical perception which was damaged after losing his eye.
Where he's vulnerable to walkers smashing the window?
Walkers have been shown to smash broken windows (I can't attest to the drugstore windows as I'm not sure if they're cracked), but even if walkers can break glass, it's a blizzard outside and if you remember the walkers are basically frozen at this point, barely moving at all, they don't have the strength at this point.
I can not understand all this hatred against her ...
Are we going to forget that she hid a baby in a freezing cold car? Where he's v… moreulnerable to walkers smashing the window? Glass in his eyes/skin??? Trying to get Clementine to ditch her friends???? Asking an emotionally raw man to have sex with her?????
???????
Where he's vulnerable to walkers smashing the window?
Walkers have been shown to smash broken windows (I can't attest to the drugsto… morere windows as I'm not sure if they're cracked), but even if walkers can break glass, it's a blizzard outside and if you remember the walkers are basically frozen at this point, barely moving at all, they don't have the strength at this point.
That's exactly the point I tried to make clear to clemintime in my first response. Nearly every character has their own reasons for committing a morally questionable or reprehensible act in this game, including the well-liked ones. For whatever personal reason to Everyone'sClemInTime, Jane and Lily can do no wrong, even though objectively they've committed acts just as bad, (or in some cases worse) than Kenny's.
Also why is Lily the 'poor, grieving daughter' when she herself murdered an innocent person, and didn't even think her life was in danger at… more the time?
Didn't lee do the same thing to the man sleeping with his wife?
Do you think liking Lee is justifiable?
but why are her flaws more reasonable than Kenny's?
You're moving in circles. Look at the post above to see as to why she is more re… moreasonable.
◾Kenny suggested Lee drop Ben from the tower, after it was revealed that he had betrayed them at the motel.
First, Ben didn't betray anyone. He fucked up trying to help by means of a stupid ideal and never addressed it. Second, it was more Kenny's fault that his family died than Ben. He was rushing to get into the RV and potentially leave behind Lilly, and was more concerned with that than getting his family to safety.
◾Lily, many could argue was a bully herself; she lowered moral, murdered Doug/Carley and consistently put the group in danger for a father who was an even bigger bully, as well as a liability with a heart condition
She didn't lower morale at all, in fact it was again Kenny constantly butting heads with her and bitching about her not liking him... Yeah,… [view original content]
"One thing wrong" was sarcasm, I'm saying if her character does anything wrong she becomes hated. You can argue the same with Kenny, but lik… moree I said his is a consistent stream of negative actions.
I'm not saying Jane is really any better than him, but the minimal amount of actions she's performed compared to the amount of hate she gets is staggering.
Yeah, I do think that Jane is denintly a No-brainer for survival, and She's a better person than kenny, But I see a LOT more Kenny hate then Jane hate, and I just think Jane hate is from the 13% of people in the world who thought Kenny deserved to live in constant agony, Instead of Being with Katjaa, sarita, duck, and Lee. That's what Jane haters are, People who think Kenny shouldn't have peace.
No cause she did not want the baby around she also would have told the truth if she cared she was only thinking of herself kenny was one who cared about clem and alvain
See this is one of the illogical reasons for hating Jane.
She shows constantly that she doesn't only care about herself. If she only care… mored about herself she would have abandoned the group as soon as she escaped Howe's.
Jane rescues Clem from the water, and runs, carrying her, on a frozen lake that is breaking up, putting her life significantly at risk. She then puts clem right in front of the fire and immediately tries to light it.
She also saves Kenny's life.
She clearly does care.
The only reason this cause for dislike is ever given now is because it's what Kenny says in the car, and parroting what Kenny says is a favourite of his fans. His reason for saying that is not based on logic - he was pissed off and made up a reason to dislike her in desperation.
It wasn't only his physical perception which was damaged after losing his eye.
Can't murder a dead guy. He wasn't unconscious, he heart had stopped and he probably saved the entire group. Ben was partially responsible for the attack on the motel, and Duck being bitten which resulted in the death of his son, and wife. Jane blew off a guys balls, leaving him to be eaten alive. She left Sarah in the trailer to die, and didn't even help.
The worse thing Jane did: Left a baby in a car while she tried to get rid of a dangerous man from further indirectly harming said baby and C… morelementine. A stupid plan from the beginning, but one that at least has qualities of redeemable characteristics.
The worse thing Kenny did: Savagely murdered an unconscious man in front of his scarred daughter and a eight year old child on a hunch, then constantly bullied the same grieving daughter with malicious precision and unflinching confidence that he must be in the right simply 'cause. And of course, that one tragic event spun out into even more general evilness from him like suggesting Lee drop Ben from the tower rather than help aid him. A bit harder to feel compassion for him than Jane.
That's why people hate Ken. People only hate Jane cause she raised her voice to Kenny that one time and challenged his "authority." And none of the super sensitive Kenny hype-men can have his character called into question within the universe.
Actually the people who criticize him for being a douche usually have such strong opinions I can't help but think they are a lot like him. He believes he's right, and others are wrong.... Sounds a lot like those who hate him. They are right, they are justified, and he's a horrible human being because they have judged him so.
Actually the people who criticize him for being a douche usually have such strong opinions I can't help but think they are a lot like him. … moreHe believes he's right, and others are wrong.... Sounds a lot like those who hate him. They are right, they are justified, and he's a horrible human being because they have judged him so.
Whoa. My mind is blown by this sudden realization. You, Kennyftw, have changed my mind by your compelling argument. Let it be known here and now that Kenny is now a good guy... neigh the best guy because of Kennyftw's "can't murder a dead guy" argument. I have never been able to properly process the thought that if someone was dead, they can't be murdered again. And here I had thought that people could be killed nine times like fucking cats or twice like fucking our lord and savior Kenny.
Can't murder a dead guy... I'm sorry, I just need a moment to realize what else I've never thought of in my short 21 years here on this earth.
Can't murder a dead guy. He wasn't unconscious, he heart had stopped and he probably saved the entire group. Ben was partially responsible… more for the attack on the motel, and Duck being bitten which resulted in the death of his son, and wife. Jane blew off a guys balls, leaving him to be eaten alive. She left Sarah in the trailer to die, and didn't even help.
Can't murder a dead guy
Whoa. My mind is blown by this sudden realization. You, Kennyftw, have changed my mind by your compelling ar… moregument. Let it be known here and now that Kenny is now a good guy... neigh the best guy because of Kennyftw's "can't murder a dead guy" argument. I have never been able to properly process the thought that if someone was dead, they can't be murdered again. And here I had thought that people could be killed nine times like fucking cats or twice like fucking our lord and savior Kenny.
Can't murder a dead guy... I'm sorry, I just need a moment to realize what else I've never thought of in my short 21 years here on this earth.
I don't hate Jane. I didn't like her in the beginning and I was split 50/50 for a while, but I don't feel that way anymore. I think she's a character with a lot of promise, but just wasn't well written at times. Her personality is inconsist because her character was inconsistent throughout the episodes [to one extreme she's cold saying 'rubs these guts on yourself or you can die it doesn't matter to me' and then an episode later suddenly BOOM she's opening up to this little kiddo and wanting to hide babies for her...that kinda creeped out a little bit o_o Also can we talk about the fact Jane shot Troy without batting an eyelid but killing the Russian attempting to murder her friends like Troy might've done is suddenly too much?]
Despite Jane's best intentions at heart, I wasn't able to agree with some of the things she said. I remember being really mad at Jane for implying Clementine should abandon her group and that she was saying this to a little girl. I don't care how well trained and sassy Clem is, she's a little girl, not Rambo as the game tries to depict her as, but also it also challenged what I viewed important to Clem's survival: trust and friendship, and for Jane to say no to that in going solo ticked me off because I agreed more with Clementine's reasoning that 'without someone there, there's nobody to watch your back'.
So when Jane wanted to gain Clementine's trust through the finale, sadly I couldn't bring myself to believe in her enough after she'd spent the episode before the finale teaching my Clem to abandon her friends and that people like Sarah would put her in danger, and even if it was true on the whole weak/strong business, I couldn't do that, even for A.J as much as I can't stand that plot baby. Like with Kenny, I understood where he was coming from, but I didn't agree with him, maybe why I struggle to enjoy the finale; I can't agree with anybody! x_x not even the game justifying a kid surviving alone with a baby; ask anybody who's had kids or taken care of babies, and they'll tell you how friggin difficult that is!
But for me, I just saw Jane putting too much of her past experience with what happened to Jaime onto Clem, like peer pressure, when it probably wasn't all that Clem needed to hear, especially when she's not weak, meanwhile a character like Sarah was in a closer frame of mind to Jaime, which is why I'm kinda surprised Jane didn't attach herself to Sarah instead, somebody who might've reminded her of her sister more and might've benefited from that older sister support after losing her dad. But it could've been also that and both parties to benefit from it, as in Sarah being Jane's second chance to redeem herself for leaving Jaime behind, but that's all a matter of opinion really.
If Jane was with the cabin group from the beginning and the game had allowed us to gradually get used to Jane, rather than shoving her into the plot in last few episodes like a tightly wedged Jaime sandwich...although I might still disagree with her, her role within the game would sit much better to me. But as it is, all I see is a character that wasn't handled properly like several others within Season 2 weren't. So I don't hate Jane, it's more that I'm annoyed by how Telltale treated her rather than me disliking the character, which I don't...that said, I HATE the color of her jacket x_x sue me.
Okay...that's fine. At least you didn't say something super terrib--
I HATE the color of her jacket x_x sue me
WHATTTT HOW DARE YOUUUU?!?! You'll hear from my lawyer, Lilacsbloom!!! You'll wish you had a jacket, because I'm gonna sue your pants off!...And then you'll be cold...and, y'know, a jacket would keep you warm...yeah. >.< :shakes fist: Curse youuuu!!!!
...but yeah, the rest of that stuff's fair tho. xp
I don't hate Jane. I didn't like her in the beginning and I was split 50/50 for a while, but I don't feel that way anymore. I think she's a … morecharacter with a lot of promise, but just wasn't well written at times. Her personality is inconsist because her character was inconsistent throughout the episodes [to one extreme she's cold saying 'rubs these guts on yourself or you can die it doesn't matter to me' and then an episode later suddenly BOOM she's opening up to this little kiddo and wanting to hide babies for her...that kinda creeped out a little bit o_o Also can we talk about the fact Jane shot Troy without batting an eyelid but killing the Russian attempting to murder her friends like Troy might've done is suddenly too much?]
Despite Jane's best intentions at heart, I wasn't able to agree with some of the things she said. I remember being really mad at Jane for implying Clementine should abandon her group and that she was saying this to… [view original content]
I changed my mind , that speech about her sister made me want to drink. I barley know her and she is opening up to Clementine as manipulation and I saw it for what it always was, bullshit.
Then she talked shit about everybody, my mind thinks
.. If if she'll talk shit with me, she will talk about me.
Then she shot Troy in the Toolbox, at that moment I hated her guts. She is a lying manipulating character.
She hated on Sarah, a special needs girl who loses her father, then spends the walk home trying to convince everyone it was OK to abandon her, because she "won't make it. "
As a Jane lover (and no offense to the OP or anyone really; sorry if I do offend), I'm just tired of the only things on this entire forum being discussed about Jane to be "I hate Jane because..." or "I don't hate Jane because...." and that's literally it. I'd prefer to theorize about her, and discuss how she became like she did rather than have the same ol' tired conversations over and over defending/criticizing her. If anyone wants to talk about something like that, hit me up via PM. Byeeeee.
As a Jane lover (and no offense to the OP or anyone really; sorry if I do offend), I'm just tired of the only things on this entire forum be… moreing discussed about Jane to be "I hate Jane because..." or "I don't hate Jane because...." and that's literally it. I'd prefer to theorize about her, and discuss how she became like she did rather than have the same ol' tired conversations over and over defending/criticizing her. If anyone wants to talk about something like that, hit me up via PM. Byeeeee.
I do. I think you may have made a thread at one point saying that you didn't right? But yeah I do think Jaime was real. Just from Jane's body language depicted in the game (not necessarily just her words) and also her vocal intonations, I don't think Jane was lying about her. I don't think she had it in her to lie about something so clearly traumatizing her, whatever it may be, although I have to agree with you that when Jane tells Clem and Luke about Jaime it was ham-fisted as hell. The only explanation (besides rushed writing) I can think of of Jane suddenly spilling her guts out to these two pretty much strangers--and I think you mentioned once before about how she was alone for a very long time and people who are alone with only their thoughts for company for so long don't think the same as others--is that, yes, she was alone for such a long time with only her thoughts about losing Jaime, and she'd been beating herself up over it for possibly months and months or years, and the one time it was semi-sorta-appropriate to talk about the experience with two people she had deemed "trustworthy enough" to talk to in that hellhole of a world, she just blurted out a bit too much. And when you blurt things out, usually it's the truth that comes out, not lies. And yeah, she just kept talking about Jaime every chance she could get, but that was because no one had ever been there to listen before.
Maybe she was being manipulative when she was talking about Jaime. I mean, I think in cases like Jane's, people may act in at least a slightly manipulative manner unconsciously because they just need a little bit of sympathy, even if she didn't consciously want said sympathy, or she didn't consciously want to act in a manipulative way. E.g. don't we all sometimes whine a little bit when we're slightly sick, fishing for someone to say, "Aw, that sucks you're not feeling well. Hope you feel better"? She was just hurting, and she was hurting hard, and it was the first time she could even begin to express it to other human beings. You may see it differently, but like I said, from her body language (which is a lot harder to fake than words I think), I believed her.
I was thinking of saying something, but a lot of people here are getting kinda pissy. Within reason of course, but still. Anyway, simply put, I don't hate Jane or Kenny, for different reasons.
I do. I think you may have made a thread at one point saying that you didn't right? But yeah I do think Jaime was real. Just from Jane's bod… morey language depicted in the game (not necessarily just her words) and also her vocal intonations, I don't think Jane was lying about her. I don't think she had it in her to lie about something so clearly traumatizing her, whatever it may be, although I have to agree with you that when Jane tells Clem and Luke about Jaime it was ham-fisted as hell. The only explanation (besides rushed writing) I can think of of Jane suddenly spilling her guts out to these two pretty much strangers--and I think you mentioned once before about how she was alone for a very long time and people who are alone with only their thoughts for company for so long don't think the same as others--is that, yes, she was alone for such a long time with only her thoughts about losing Jaime, and she'd been beating herself up over it for poss… [view original content]
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I think Jane believed that she couldn't convince Clementine to abandon Kenny, or at least that's what I think.
Anyway, your post was great to read and gave real criticism about the character. (The other user gave a good example of misinformation.)
Thank you for your input.
A pity that she could have at least tried to ask that one question instead of using her own initiative...
I love you, Rich. You always bring up the best arguments that I couldn't word any better myself.
It's Kenny lovers self-defense. Deep inside they know he was dangerous maniac, but they want to silence the voice of reason. That's why they are demonizing Jane and exaggerating her deeds or words.
But what about those of us that don't like Kenny or Jane?
SHE LIED THAT THE BABY DIED CAUSING KENNY'S DEATH (determinate)
what do you mean by "right people"?
Because she's a dumb stupid idiot
Just try to refute this argument, I dare you
I had too XD
Dumb, stupid, idiots can't light a fire with a nail file.
Boom, refuted.
Well, I'm sure that's a fault on Telltale's part considering we've seen walkers take down grown men and even they struggle.
Didn't mean it as "friends 4eva woo!" I'm talking about her group, and trying to teach Clementine that everyone around her is a burden and she should go on her own.
Luke literally said "she made an offer." She asked him if he wanted to have with her.
"kill em al1!!"
Aw, boo hoo. That's not even the case, but if it was, then of course! Screw Telltale for making a female character who only thinks about herself!
It's not like they didn't do that with male characters, too.
No she really did care for her self she lied about alvain saying that she accident killed alvain jane no good person
Walkers have been shown to smash broken windows (I can't attest to the drugstore windows as I'm not sure if they're cracked), but even if walkers can break glass, it's a blizzard outside and if you remember the walkers are basically frozen at this point, barely moving at all, they don't have the strength at this point.
That's true, there is that factor.
That's exactly the point I tried to make clear to clemintime in my first response. Nearly every character has their own reasons for committing a morally questionable or reprehensible act in this game, including the well-liked ones. For whatever personal reason to Everyone'sClemInTime, Jane and Lily can do no wrong, even though objectively they've committed acts just as bad, (or in some cases worse) than Kenny's.
Because I dislike characters like her
She didn't come back for the group, she came back for Clementine. She could care less about anyone in the group, she just wanted to by Clem's side.
I guess there's nothing wrong with that, though.
I feel like Kenny is just such a massive douche bag, that when he actually does do something kind, it really stands out to some players.
Yeah, I do think that Jane is denintly a No-brainer for survival, and She's a better person than kenny, But I see a LOT more Kenny hate then Jane hate, and I just think Jane hate is from the 13% of people in the world who thought Kenny deserved to live in constant agony, Instead of Being with Katjaa, sarita, duck, and Lee. That's what Jane haters are, People who think Kenny shouldn't have peace.
No cause she did not want the baby around she also would have told the truth if she cared she was only thinking of herself kenny was one who cared about clem and alvain
Can't murder a dead guy. He wasn't unconscious, he heart had stopped and he probably saved the entire group. Ben was partially responsible for the attack on the motel, and Duck being bitten which resulted in the death of his son, and wife. Jane blew off a guys balls, leaving him to be eaten alive. She left Sarah in the trailer to die, and didn't even help.
Actually the people who criticize him for being a douche usually have such strong opinions I can't help but think they are a lot like him. He believes he's right, and others are wrong.... Sounds a lot like those who hate him. They are right, they are justified, and he's a horrible human being because they have judged him so.
That pretty much describes literally every character in the Walking Dead.
Whoa. My mind is blown by this sudden realization. You, Kennyftw, have changed my mind by your compelling argument. Let it be known here and now that Kenny is now a good guy... neigh the best guy because of Kennyftw's "can't murder a dead guy" argument. I have never been able to properly process the thought that if someone was dead, they can't be murdered again. And here I had thought that people could be killed nine times like fucking cats or twice like fucking our lord and savior Kenny.
Can't murder a dead guy... I'm sorry, I just need a moment to realize what else I've never thought of in my short 21 years here on this earth.
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I don't hate her but she's not one of my favorite character's either.
K.
Selfish, ableist, manipulative human incarnation of Crawford.
I don't hate Jane. I didn't like her in the beginning and I was split 50/50 for a while, but I don't feel that way anymore. I think she's a character with a lot of promise, but just wasn't well written at times. Her personality is inconsist because her character was inconsistent throughout the episodes [to one extreme she's cold saying 'rubs these guts on yourself or you can die it doesn't matter to me' and then an episode later suddenly BOOM she's opening up to this little kiddo and wanting to hide babies for her...that kinda creeped out a little bit o_o Also can we talk about the fact Jane shot Troy without batting an eyelid but killing the Russian attempting to murder her friends like Troy might've done is suddenly too much?]
Despite Jane's best intentions at heart, I wasn't able to agree with some of the things she said. I remember being really mad at Jane for implying Clementine should abandon her group and that she was saying this to a little girl. I don't care how well trained and sassy Clem is, she's a little girl, not Rambo as the game tries to depict her as, but also it also challenged what I viewed important to Clem's survival: trust and friendship, and for Jane to say no to that in going solo ticked me off because I agreed more with Clementine's reasoning that 'without someone there, there's nobody to watch your back'.
So when Jane wanted to gain Clementine's trust through the finale, sadly I couldn't bring myself to believe in her enough after she'd spent the episode before the finale teaching my Clem to abandon her friends and that people like Sarah would put her in danger, and even if it was true on the whole weak/strong business, I couldn't do that, even for A.J as much as I can't stand that plot baby. Like with Kenny, I understood where he was coming from, but I didn't agree with him, maybe why I struggle to enjoy the finale; I can't agree with anybody! x_x not even the game justifying a kid surviving alone with a baby; ask anybody who's had kids or taken care of babies, and they'll tell you how friggin difficult that is!
But for me, I just saw Jane putting too much of her past experience with what happened to Jaime onto Clem, like peer pressure, when it probably wasn't all that Clem needed to hear, especially when she's not weak, meanwhile a character like Sarah was in a closer frame of mind to Jaime, which is why I'm kinda surprised Jane didn't attach herself to Sarah instead, somebody who might've reminded her of her sister more and might've benefited from that older sister support after losing her dad. But it could've been also that and both parties to benefit from it, as in Sarah being Jane's second chance to redeem herself for leaving Jaime behind, but that's all a matter of opinion really.
If Jane was with the cabin group from the beginning and the game had allowed us to gradually get used to Jane, rather than shoving her into the plot in last few episodes like a tightly wedged Jaime sandwich...although I might still disagree with her, her role within the game would sit much better to me. But as it is, all I see is a character that wasn't handled properly like several others within Season 2 weren't. So I don't hate Jane, it's more that I'm annoyed by how Telltale treated her rather than me disliking the character, which I don't...that said, I HATE the color of her jacket x_x sue me.
Hmmm :reads Lilac's post as a Jane lover... :
Okay...that's fine. At least you didn't say something super terrib--
WHATTTT HOW DARE YOUUUU?!?! You'll hear from my lawyer, Lilacsbloom!!! You'll wish you had a jacket, because I'm gonna sue your pants off!...And then you'll be cold...and, y'know, a jacket would keep you warm...yeah. >.< :shakes fist: Curse youuuu!!!!
...but yeah, the rest of that stuff's fair tho. xp
I changed my mind , that speech about her sister made me want to drink. I barley know her and she is opening up to Clementine as manipulation and I saw it for what it always was, bullshit.
Then she talked shit about everybody, my mind thinks
.. If if she'll talk shit with me, she will talk about me.
Then she shot Troy in the Toolbox, at that moment I hated her guts. She is a lying manipulating character.
She hated on Sarah, a special needs girl who loses her father, then spends the walk home trying to convince everyone it was OK to abandon her, because she "won't make it. "
As a Jane lover (and no offense to the OP or anyone really; sorry if I do offend), I'm just tired of the only things on this entire forum being discussed about Jane to be "I hate Jane because..." or "I don't hate Jane because...." and that's literally it. I'd prefer to theorize about her, and discuss how she became like she did rather than have the same ol' tired conversations over and over defending/criticizing her. If anyone wants to talk about something like that, hit me up via PM. Byeeeee.
I don't blame you. Think her sister Jamie was real?
I do. I think you may have made a thread at one point saying that you didn't right? But yeah I do think Jaime was real. Just from Jane's body language depicted in the game (not necessarily just her words) and also her vocal intonations, I don't think Jane was lying about her. I don't think she had it in her to lie about something so clearly traumatizing her, whatever it may be, although I have to agree with you that when Jane tells Clem and Luke about Jaime it was ham-fisted as hell. The only explanation (besides rushed writing) I can think of of Jane suddenly spilling her guts out to these two pretty much strangers--and I think you mentioned once before about how she was alone for a very long time and people who are alone with only their thoughts for company for so long don't think the same as others--is that, yes, she was alone for such a long time with only her thoughts about losing Jaime, and she'd been beating herself up over it for possibly months and months or years, and the one time it was semi-sorta-appropriate to talk about the experience with two people she had deemed "trustworthy enough" to talk to in that hellhole of a world, she just blurted out a bit too much. And when you blurt things out, usually it's the truth that comes out, not lies. And yeah, she just kept talking about Jaime every chance she could get, but that was because no one had ever been there to listen before.
Maybe she was being manipulative when she was talking about Jaime. I mean, I think in cases like Jane's, people may act in at least a slightly manipulative manner unconsciously because they just need a little bit of sympathy, even if she didn't consciously want said sympathy, or she didn't consciously want to act in a manipulative way. E.g. don't we all sometimes whine a little bit when we're slightly sick, fishing for someone to say, "Aw, that sucks you're not feeling well. Hope you feel better"? She was just hurting, and she was hurting hard, and it was the first time she could even begin to express it to other human beings. You may see it differently, but like I said, from her body language (which is a lot harder to fake than words I think), I believed her.
I was thinking of saying something, but a lot of people here are getting kinda pissy. Within reason of course, but still. Anyway, simply put, I don't hate Jane or Kenny, for different reasons.
I love this paragraph ^