Ohhh, okay that makes sense. From an in-game perspective the situation was pretty desperate though. They had to make a decision quickly and Kenny argument came through louder
In my opinion, they were as prepared as were ever going to be
The only one who is sounding like a idiot is the one who is trying to start insults. I knew that you were trying to reflect but the fact tha… moret you did that was unoriginal to me and basically is just copying my comeback. The only thing idiotic is what you just said, especially the last sentence, you really don't understand that what I meant is throwing janes body to the walkers would be double revenge? I wouldn't have even said "body" if I wasn't stating shes already dead, but throwing her to the walkers would just be a good final act for someone who tried to do that to Kenny. Try reading the own words you type, and read over someone's words before you try to right even a bad reply. neither Kenny or jane is anything but a fictional character so I think you need to stop getting angry over nonsense of other peoples opinions (unless you are replying to someone who gets on your nerves about it) because if this is the stuff you take offense by, all… [view original content]
He WAS a hero in the end though, and you know it
…that is an opinion, not a fact. Kenny doesn't turn into a hero for everyone just because he was one of your favorites. He is just a person. Not even, he's just a character.
If we took every Kenny post on this forum, we'd have enough posts to make an entire novel series out of it
We're talking like a big continuous novel series here, like 7+ books
Doesn't actually prove she doesn't care about AJ, otherwise why would she suggest risking her own skin by going back to Howe's just cause they know there's baby formula there? I think Jane didn't like AJ at first because she felt he would be more of a liability than anything but grew to like him later on in Episode 5, that's just my own perspective of Jane and AJ's relationship.
Just wanted to let you know, Jane never says she killed or abandoned AJ, I believe she said "I didn't kill him" when Kenny accuses her of do… moreing so
she also said "it was an accident Kenny" in which he didn't believe her and i can't blame him not believing her to be honest because of her past discussions about not wanting the baby around. She also refers to AJ as an "it" and not a he which I didn't like and further makes me feel she didn't care about him deep down
I'm not stopping with Emojis sorry, it's not against Forum Rules and the OP of the Thread has not made a request for no Emojis.
Yes, overall as I said, I found Jane's ending more emotional, that's the truth, do you want me to lie just to please you and make you feel like you were right in your claims of Kenny's ending being objectively more emotional? You don't have to show tears to have an emotional scene, there are more emotions than Sadness.
There you go again, trying to be that person who thinks their opinions are facts ^-^ I'm sorry but you have no right to tell other individuals their own subjective opinions are wrong, laugh all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it's still a subjective matter, argue all you want, I'll just keep telling you the truth - your opinion is merely subjective, please stop trying to tell me what I know because only I know that.
Please stop with the emojees. Overall you know which one is more emotional when Kennys ending everyone was crying and in janes ending not on… moree tear was shed. Opinions are opinions but some opinions I just laugh at because they are overly wrong its pityfull. Just, Lol.
Prink no offence but it's dodgy and subtly aggressive comments like that, that get people arguing in the first place. If his fans wanna call him god then let them. I'm sure they are just joking around.
And Kcohere, from what i've seen, you seem to be in the mix of the fighting as much as anyone if you don't mind me saying lol. I tend to join the party a bit late when shit goes down :P
Eh, maybe they would but they would probably piss off other members at the same time. I mean, I see Kenny as being really similar to Abraham, and, while he didn't exactly get along with Rick, they weren't totally hostile with eachother. I think that if they met Kenny they would have probably just fought a bunch and parted ways later on.
Im back, but only to come back to yet another reply... and the things I say are actually quite kind and opinionated as I have not been rude to you although I can be but I won't be, it seems like you are taking any little thing I say and making it in to a whole insult that I "apparently" said, and yes, crying does show emotion... its literally common knowledge... basicly what I am seeing here is telling someone my opinion but obviously they dont want to accept it or even think about it, instead they are trying to make me seem like Im insulting you. you telling ME that I should not be telling you what you know clearly is hypocritical because you just stated yourself what you don't want others to do. be carefull with some of the things you say, prink, this is the reason why most people who like kenny 100 percent dislike jane, because of the edgy jane comments. I don't hate either of them because honestly my favorite character is the one I play as which is Clem but overall Kenny made up for all the annoying things he did when I chose to save him at the last second and Im glad I chose his ending. and your quite welcome but I dont spend alot of times on the forums so this whole conversation seems pointless to me as Im barely even reading any of the responses now and clearly trying to stop this chat.
I'm not stopping with Emojis sorry, it's not against Forum Rules and the OP of the Thread has not made a request for no Emojis.
Yes, over… moreall as I said, I found Jane's ending more emotional, that's the truth, do you want me to lie just to please you and make you feel like you were right in your claims of Kenny's ending being objectively more emotional? You don't have to show tears to have an emotional scene, there are more emotions than Sadness.
There you go again, trying to be that person who thinks their opinions are facts ^-^ I'm sorry but you have no right to tell other individuals their own subjective opinions are wrong, laugh all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it's still a subjective matter, argue all you want, I'll just keep telling you the truth - your opinion is merely subjective, please stop trying to tell me what I know because only I know that.
~Thanks!
I thought that to and was about to say it if I spent 24/7 responding or reading any of the other biased comments, lately the ones I get notifications from are just funny. But this whole kennyvsjane thing is just getting boring. People who call kenny god is just.. terrible, I have known many who would call jane that too. Stop talking about Kenny will help some of it, but STOP talking about jane and it will help all of it, its not just a one person thing.
Prink no offence but it's dodgy and subtly aggressive comments like that, that get people arguing in the first place. If his fans wanna call… more him god then let them. I'm sure they are just joking around.
And Kcohere, from what i've seen, you seem to be in the mix of the fighting as much as anyone if you don't mind me saying lol. I tend to join the party a bit late when shit goes down :P
I do mind since I try to make a point not to get into fights. I criticize Kenny when I feel like he deserves it, but I try not to personally attack other fans. In any case, if people would stop talking about Kenny, none of us would be fighting over or about him. I believe that was the point I was trying to make.
Prink no offence but it's dodgy and subtly aggressive comments like that, that get people arguing in the first place. If his fans wanna call… more him god then let them. I'm sure they are just joking around.
And Kcohere, from what i've seen, you seem to be in the mix of the fighting as much as anyone if you don't mind me saying lol. I tend to join the party a bit late when shit goes down :P
Fair enough. I don't think that people are gonna just stop talking about him. He's far too big a character for that to happen. I think one of the main reasons some of the more heated arguments happen is that deep down one side can't stand the fact that he is loved by many, whilst deep down the fans on the other side of the argument can't stand that he is hated by many.
I do mind since I try to make a point not to get into fights. I criticize Kenny when I feel like he deserves it, but I try not to personally… more attack other fans. In any case, if people would stop talking about Kenny, none of us would be fighting over or about him. I believe that was the point I was trying to make.
Because the whole group only learned that same day that people who die actually come back as walkers and Kenny wasn't even there when it happened, I don't think he would know enough about how a person looks before reanimating, or even how long it should take. They also would be unable to restrain him long enough to bring over a saltlick without running the risk of having someone bit because Larry was the strongest member of the group. The saltlick would be hard to throw or hit with because of its weight, so the only "safe" option was the brutal one that sadly left no time to check for revivability: to kill him while he isn't moving and on the ground.
Also, on the subject of if Katjaa was in the same situation: I think it is clear that he would have been unable to do the same thing, seeing how he reacted when Duck was bit. However, I do think that Lily would be the one to use the saltlick in that scenario, just like how she wanted to protect the group earlier in the episode by leaving the school members behind.
No, we do know he was able to be resucitated. I've explained it countless times.
His mouth moves if you push on his chest enough times wh… moreen helping Lilly. This only happens if you push on the chest enough times - if you don't it stays still.
Pushing on someone's chest wouldn't speed up reanimation, nor would it cause twitching that would not otherwise have occurred according to any biology I've studied.
It was therefore only a breath/regaining of bodily.
However, the fact that Larry was revivable is arguably irrelevant, since Kenny couldn't have known this. His mistake was thus understandable, but he could and should have acted more sensibly - as the Greg situation showed us, it's pretty obvious when someone reanimates in the game, so he could have held the saltlick next to his head (or put it on the ground till needed) to first see if he was indeed revivable.
Thus Kenny's actions are understandable, and even arguably right, de… [view original content]
I apologize, I wasn't being entirely serious(should start labeling my sarcasm on the internet since you can't tell a post's tone). And yeah, fans are allowed to call him God if they want and it's not like the glorification of characters hasn't started arguments in itself but I see your point.
Prink no offence but it's dodgy and subtly aggressive comments like that, that get people arguing in the first place. If his fans wanna call… more him god then let them. I'm sure they are just joking around.
And Kcohere, from what i've seen, you seem to be in the mix of the fighting as much as anyone if you don't mind me saying lol. I tend to join the party a bit late when shit goes down :P
I don't think it's really general discussions of Kenny but allot of these fights are conflicts in opinions, the worst part is those who feel their opinion is objective and try to tell you yours is wrong but that's not just something you get exclusively from fans of just Kenny, there are others as well.
I do mind since I try to make a point not to get into fights. I criticize Kenny when I feel like he deserves it, but I try not to personally… more attack other fans. In any case, if people would stop talking about Kenny, none of us would be fighting over or about him. I believe that was the point I was trying to make.
"Opinions are opinions but some opinions I just laugh at because they are overly wrong its pityfull" that's your idea of being kind? Saying you laugh at other peoples' opinions because you yourself feel they're overly wrong thus thinking it's pitiful?
My comments are responses to yours, all of you to do is read your own comment if you don't believe you typed anything I referred to down and I'm not taking anything you say as an insult, this is a discussion where I'm mostly trying to tell you that which ending is better or more emotional is subjective but you persist in trying to tell me I'm wrong about my own opinion.
Yes, crying does show emotion but it's not the only way to express emotion and doesn't mean a scene is more emotional for every individual just if a person or character cries in the scene. never once said that crying didn't show emotion.
What do I not want others to do? Please show me where I said I don't accept your opinion or more so where you felt as if I said as such. All I've been telling you is that you're wrong in your statement that one of the ending is objectively better because it's all dependent on perspective which makes it a subjective topic.
So basically disliking a character based on the comments made about those characters? Personally, I don't see how comments about characters have much to do with the actual characters themselves, people have written subjectively 'edgy' Kenny comments, if you saw those and thought the same would you dislike Kenny?
Well then, what's the point in replying? You don't bother to read my comments(as you've stated) and you accuse me of saying things I have not said(without even showing an example from any of my comments) but at least you finally stopped telling that Kenny's ending is better objectively or regardless of opinion, so there's some improvement
Im back, but only to come back to yet another reply... and the things I say are actually quite kind and opinionated as I have not been rude … moreto you although I can be but I won't be, it seems like you are taking any little thing I say and making it in to a whole insult that I "apparently" said, and yes, crying does show emotion... its literally common knowledge... basicly what I am seeing here is telling someone my opinion but obviously they dont want to accept it or even think about it, instead they are trying to make me seem like Im insulting you. you telling ME that I should not be telling you what you know clearly is hypocritical because you just stated yourself what you don't want others to do. be carefull with some of the things you say, prink, this is the reason why most people who like kenny 100 percent dislike jane, because of the edgy jane comments. I don't hate either of them because honestly my favorite character is the one I play a… [view original content]
We are still seriously talking about whether or not Telltale is fair? When you have juxtaposed characters, of course you're going to have to choose between them. It just makes sense..Personally, I'm surprised Kenny even survived to the final episode. I thought he'd be dead by episode 3. So I'm glad it ended up the way it did.
If the name Kenny disappeared from the forum members's vocabulary, I cant say I would mind. At least all the fighting would stop.
Um im pretty sure the same could be said if the name "Jane" disappeared from here as well there would be equally less fighting because if someone was to make a negative comment about Jane, 9 times out of 10 (on this site anyway) a Jane fan is going to hit back at the post in defence of Jane.
When someone mentions the word Kenny or Jane an argument is bound to start so I don't think it's fair to just say getting rid of the word Kenny would stop arguments
When Katjaa and duck died in season 1 he lost it a little and when lee has the option to fight him it makes Kenny realize that it is over for them and when Ben tells Kenny he goes off on him but that was because Kenny was done blaming himself for their deaths and in season 2 when sarita died he had Clem to blame just as he did with Ben but then when Jane fakes Alvie's death he feels like going crazy a third time but if you let him kill jane then he insta calms at the sight if Alvie and he seems to feel bad for killing jane and he says he would never hurt Clem and that's why he never hurt her and the scene in the tent with Clem and Kenny if you choose to be rough on him then most likely he will be reminded of when lee knocked some sense into him and he goes back to calm so therefore Kenny is not a monster
I don't believe Kenny became a monster, because there's a lot worse people to be calling someone that. I think the issue with Kenny is that … morehe simply isn't mentally strong willed like Clementine. Kat and Duck were his world and then that world fell apart and we see the aftermath of that for many episodes afterwards. We see that he isn't coping and is more than happy enough to let Ben die when he learns the teenager was an indirect cause, only to get a moment of redemption when he tries to save Ben in the finale [whom by that point spilled about his whole missing family, which seemed to talk sense into Kenny to at least lay off.]
By Season 2 a few years on it's still apparent Kenny hasn't healed while others who have lost family are moving on or at least coping better. Sarita's the few things holding him together since she found him when he was in a bad way, and brought him back from the brink, likewise how Clementine's appearance helps him… [view original content]
I skimmed over your comment. Theres no other way of explaining it to you, well actually there is, but that would be no point of me trying as your not going to even see a little bit of what I am talking about. and you want me to change my opinion, and yet you got angry because I apparently told you that you couldnt have one? do you read your own words? My opinion is not changing. More then likely if you did not hate kenny you would see then, but your literally going against common knowledge if you don't think that kenny forcing himself to leave clem behind, all of them were crying including the lady at wellignton, and either they seperate or they walk off in to the sunset together, instead of just jane meeting a group of survivors OR chasing them out (wtf), that ending sounds more to me like a episode ending, Kennys ending felt to me like a season ending, because everything was cleared out and it ending with a bright light in wellignton when clem walked in to show a new life, while janes literally just ended, I believe one youtuber called pewdiepie mentioned that too when he played both endings, he hated janes. Also I only told you to stop using emojees since I was helping you, because it makes you sound like a 10 year old who is trying to keep cool but is about to have a tantrum. I cant take people seriously when they have to add emojees to every sentence or paragraph. Anyways, (I could care less if you choose to answer this question) are you a boy or a girl? Im just researching something and so far Im still correct.
"Opinions are opinions but some opinions I just laugh at because they are overly wrong its pityfull" that's your idea of being kind? Saying … moreyou laugh at other peoples' opinions because you yourself feel they're overly wrong thus thinking it's pitiful?
My comments are responses to yours, all of you to do is read your own comment if you don't believe you typed anything I referred to down and I'm not taking anything you say as an insult, this is a discussion where I'm mostly trying to tell you that which ending is better or more emotional is subjective but you persist in trying to tell me I'm wrong about my own opinion.
Yes, crying does show emotion but it's not the only way to express emotion and doesn't mean a scene is more emotional for every individual just if a person or character cries in the scene. never once said that crying didn't show emotion.
What do I not want others to do? Please show me where I said I don't accept your op… [view original content]
Yeah, food was short, but then again it is an apocalypse. And yeah, the group shattered, then again, it always was since Howe's, you can't blame Kenny for that though, he had his heart set on Wellington, M/B on south, Jane on Howe's. The best thing would have been to sit down and discuss a solution. Sadly, Mike + Bonnie had no respect for Kenny after Arvo, and Jane was dwindling on respect, he knew he was outvoted, hence his aggressive stance on Wellington
Just ironic. To many jane worshipers and kenny worshipers on this kinds of forums (although on this forum its more jane worshipers). Generally I think I hate both of them lately
If the name Kenny disappeared from the forum members's vocabulary, I cant say I would mind. At least all the fighting would stop.
Um… more im pretty sure the same could be said if the name "Jane" disappeared from here as well there would be equally less fighting because if someone was to make a negative comment about Jane, 9 times out of 10 (on this site anyway) a Jane fan is going to hit back at the post in defence of Jane.
When someone mentions the word Kenny or Jane an argument is bound to start so I don't think it's fair to just say getting rid of the word Kenny would stop arguments
Kenny comes up a lot more and in a lot more different contexts and people's reactions to him are a lot more varied and strong, so I dont think the same thing can be said about Jane. Her character is not as impactful.
If the name Kenny disappeared from the forum members's vocabulary, I cant say I would mind. At least all the fighting would stop.
Um… more im pretty sure the same could be said if the name "Jane" disappeared from here as well there would be equally less fighting because if someone was to make a negative comment about Jane, 9 times out of 10 (on this site anyway) a Jane fan is going to hit back at the post in defence of Jane.
When someone mentions the word Kenny or Jane an argument is bound to start so I don't think it's fair to just say getting rid of the word Kenny would stop arguments
Just ironic. To many jane worshipers and kenny worshipers on this kinds of forums (although on this forum its more jane worshipers). Generally I think I hate both of them lately
I wasn't responding to you so no I was not calling you one, you should know if your one or not but I was calling the majority of people on forums like these are jane fans, some taking it to far which would be jane worshipers, there are less kenny fans and less kenny worshipers especially on this forum but maybe they are stopping, so jane fans/worshipers should know to stop as well. So far everyone commenting right now in this section are jane fans, obviously, except me and maybe one other person. I see jane much more then kenny lately, MUCH more, and you as well as anyone else should know that getting rid of just "one" side of the arguement, kenny fans, is rather unfair to say just because you like jane more, you would rather the other side to stop, but TRUTHFULLY both need stop if this cancer is to end, not just the kenny side that janes want to go away.
"Nevertheless, it still doesn't warrant her death by the hands of Kenny." Yep, Jane didn't deserve to die. Which is why it's so bewildering to me that she couldn't just at least attempt to save her own life by admitting that the baby was in fact safe in the car. If Kenny had then spared her, she probably still would have gotten Clementine to see how dangerous he was WITHOUT anyone having to die in the process, seeing as it became obvious to Clementine that Kenny was going to kill her. She could have saved her life though if she'd just told Kenny the truth at the last moment. He'd probably then have started frantically searching for AJ (his reason for existing at this point) and forgotten all about killing her. And even if he did kill her after she told him the truth, that would prove beyond a doubt that Kenny was insane. In any case, I believe that Jane could have proved her point to Clementine without waiting until someone was dead for the truth to be revealed. That withholding of the truth is what I believe proves that JANE was the crazy one. It was unnecessary and resulted in either her or Kenny being killed over nothing, which just isn't justifiable at all.
As for Kenny killing Jane being wrong, as far as both parties were concerned, they were both trying to kill the other out of self defence as much as anything. Seeing as in this fight BOTH were completely determined not to stop until the other was dead. But there would never have been a fight AT ALL had it not been for JANE.
That is why I'm personally siding with Kenny on this one.
Her line was "No, Clem, it's time to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery". There was no 'finally' in her line, which implies mor… moree that she did not want to kill him to begin with, right up until he was actively trying to kill her.
She sabotaged Kenny's plan to go to Wellington for the right reasons, but in the wrong way. Kenny didn't know where to go, the air was getting colder, there were no supplies, Clementine was just shot in the shoulder, and the baby had only just a blanket on him. By all rights, the plan to go to Wellington in this condition with no sense of direction was suicidal, and had it not been for a ridiculous stroke of luck, everyone involved would have either starved, froze to death, or been eaten by walkers.
Jane dealt with the issue the wrong way, which was to hide the baby and lie to Kenny. She only had to ask Clementine whether she was safe around Kenny, if she trusts him, and if she did want to go to Wel… [view original content]
So you insult me, try to tell me your opinion is objective and my opinion is wrong, make accusations without evidence to back them up, tell me to stop using emojis for your own personal preference and even choose not to acknowledge allot of what I've said, allot of your responses clearly show you haven't even read what I've written and you even say this yourself multiple times, so, since you don't want to even try to read my comments and I'm not giving you any personal information, go find it yourself as I've commented my gender on the forums before , I'm going to stop it here, this discussion is overdue to end, so goodbye and have a nice day
I skimmed over your comment. Theres no other way of explaining it to you, well actually there is, but that would be no point of me trying as… more your not going to even see a little bit of what I am talking about. and you want me to change my opinion, and yet you got angry because I apparently told you that you couldnt have one? do you read your own words? My opinion is not changing. More then likely if you did not hate kenny you would see then, but your literally going against common knowledge if you don't think that kenny forcing himself to leave clem behind, all of them were crying including the lady at wellignton, and either they seperate or they walk off in to the sunset together, instead of just jane meeting a group of survivors OR chasing them out (wtf), that ending sounds more to me like a episode ending, Kennys ending felt to me like a season ending, because everything was cleared out and it ending with a bright light in wellignton when … [view original content]
Doesn't actually prove she doesn't care about AJ, otherwise why would she suggest risking her own skin by going back to Howe's just cause they know there's baby formula there?
Nope it doesn't prove that. You're right, but im basing it on my view of her towards AJ. Would Jane have took AJ back to Howes for the baby formula if Clem wasn't around/with her? She might but im not so sure which i'll mention in a moment
i think Jane didn't like AJ at first because she felt he would be more of a liability than anything but grew to like him later on in Episode 5, that's just my own perspective of Jane and AJ's relationship.
During a conversation with Rebecca in episode 4, she implied (at least it certainly did to me) that Rebecca should get rid of it. She said "what are you going to do with it" and made remarks how it's going to be a problem because it's noisy. This is true and i could see what she means but I didn't agree with the attitude towards him before he was even born and even when born still referring to him as an "it". But like you said she may have grown to like him throughout Ep5 through Clementine also and that's fine that it is from your perspective. But I would honestly not be so sure if she'd take care of him if Clem wasn't around but that's just from my perspective.
Doesn't actually prove she doesn't care about AJ, otherwise why would she suggest risking her own skin by going back to Howe's just cause th… moreey know there's baby formula there? I think Jane didn't like AJ at first because she felt he would be more of a liability than anything but grew to like him later on in Episode 5, that's just my own perspective of Jane and AJ's relationship.
Im back, Yeah, you say you want to end it and yet I said that since the beginning that you need to stop. and I am only asking your gender since every girl on here g seem to be jane lovers, and over all you sound like a girl. The only one your offending is yourself honestly, your freaking out over nothing, especially over virtual characters. If you REALLY wanted it to end, you would have stopped at the very beginning when I told you that Im ending it, but nope. Over ironic. Good bye
So you insult me, try to tell me your opinion is objective and my opinion is wrong, make accusations without evidence to back them up, tell … moreme to stop using emojis for your own personal preference and even choose not to acknowledge allot of what I've said, allot of your responses clearly show you haven't even read what I've written and you even say this yourself multiple times, so, since you don't want to even try to read my comments and I'm not giving you any personal information, go find it yourself as I've commented my gender on the forums before , I'm going to stop it here, this discussion is overdue to end, so goodbye and have a nice day
Never said it did, as I said it's my own perspective.
You don't have to agree with her perspective at the possible threat AJ could have due to the group and I entirely disagreed with her on any stance she had on not wanting AJ to live but she can still have her own opinion, it makes me think that Jane could be more so scared of babies rather than dislike them but that's also up to perspective. She might not have taken care of him without Clementine at the start I think but I personally see it as being less likely after the Howe's ending but again, just my own perspective ^-^
Doesn't actually prove she doesn't care about AJ, otherwise why would she suggest risking her own skin by going back to Howe's just cause th… moreey know there's baby formula there?
Nope it doesn't prove that. You're right, but im basing it on my view of her towards AJ. Would Jane have took AJ back to Howes for the baby formula if Clem wasn't around/with her? She might but im not so sure which i'll mention in a moment
i think Jane didn't like AJ at first because she felt he would be more of a liability than anything but grew to like him later on in Episode 5, that's just my own perspective of Jane and AJ's relationship.
During a conversation with Rebecca in episode 4, she implied (at least it certainly did to me) that Rebecca should get rid of it. She said "what are you going to do with it" and made remarks how it's going to be a problem because it's noisy. This is true and i could see what she means but I didn't agree with th… [view original content]
I don't think Kenny is a monster at all. He's lost a lot. After his family died, he lost all hope to survive and that's why he turned to alcohol. When we thought he died, he ended up being alive. They're must have been something that kept him alive to find Sarita. Then when he found Clem again, he found the reason to why he fought to stay alive. So to answer the question, I don't think Kenny is a monster, he handled grief in a violent way. Which in a world they live in who wouldn't go that way? We see they way people handle grief in the world of the walking dead and that's through violence. Kenny isn't a monster. Even though he's done bad things. At the end of season 2 I couldn't have him killed.
Look how Rick acted after Lori's death on the show, (I have no idea how he acted in those comics as I've never read them)!
Look how Tyreese reacted when his girlfriend was killed at the prison!
Look how Abraham reacted when he found out that Eugene had lied about everything - he damn near beat him to death in a few quick hard punches!
The point is is that these men are and were decent men, but when beset by severe loss and pain, they lashed out at the people around them.
So why shouldn't Kenny be given the same benefit of the doubt?
Now of course, this is all just in the realm of fiction. But the reason why I think this issue, and others like it keep coming up on this website, other then it is a website about Telltale Games and The Walking Dead, is the principles and ethics surrounding it. Plus, there's always that "what would you do in this type of scenario" question that looms over the over these types of discussions. I think as human beings, we all like to imagine how he would react to these types of scenarios, or we imagine how we would like to react. but the truth is is that nobody ever knows for sure how they're going to react to situations like this until they are faced with them!
Incidentally, I did not intend for this to become a Kenny vs Jane discussion. So to ANYONE who reads this comment, I would ask that we please steer away from that as much as possible. I don't want this thread to be closed because people start becoming rude to each other, and all over these scenarios that happened was in a video game. So to all who read this comment, let's please try to keep things civil from here on out. Thank you!
I don't think Kenny is a monster at all. He's lost a lot. After his family died, he lost all hope to survive and that's why he turned to alc… moreohol. When we thought he died, he ended up being alive. They're must have been something that kept him alive to find Sarita. Then when he found Clem again, he found the reason to why he fought to stay alive. So to answer the question, I don't think Kenny is a monster, he handled grief in a violent way. Which in a world they live in who wouldn't go that way? We see they way people handle grief in the world of the walking dead and that's through violence. Kenny isn't a monster. Even though he's done bad things. At the end of season 2 I couldn't have him killed.
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Well, they lacked proper clothing, but other than that, they were good to go, but most of the group didnt want to go there so...
Maybe you shouldn't start fights if you don't want insults to be thrown at you.
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Alright guys, let's start acting civil and stay on topic, please. Thanks.
Sorry for going off - topic ,Blind.
If we took every Kenny post on this forum, we'd have enough posts to make an entire novel series out of it
We're talking like a big continuous novel series here, like 7+ books
Unfortunately, that hasn't stopped the Kenny-haters from viewing their opinions as fact for YEARS.
If the name Kenny disappeared from the forum members's vocabulary, I cant say I would mind. At least all the fighting would stop.
Doesn't actually prove she doesn't care about AJ, otherwise why would she suggest risking her own skin by going back to Howe's just cause they know there's baby formula there? I think Jane didn't like AJ at first because she felt he would be more of a liability than anything but grew to like him later on in Episode 5, that's just my own perspective of Jane and AJ's relationship.
I'm not stopping with Emojis sorry, it's not against Forum Rules and the OP of the Thread has not made a request for no Emojis.
Yes, overall as I said, I found Jane's ending more emotional, that's the truth, do you want me to lie just to please you and make you feel like you were right in your claims of Kenny's ending being objectively more emotional? You don't have to show tears to have an emotional scene, there are more emotions than Sadness.
There you go again, trying to be that person who thinks their opinions are facts ^-^ I'm sorry but you have no right to tell other individuals their own subjective opinions are wrong, laugh all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it's still a subjective matter, argue all you want, I'll just keep telling you the truth - your opinion is merely subjective, please stop trying to tell me what I know because only I know that.
~Thanks!
Might need to censor out 'God' too considering some individuals don't call Kenny by his name...
Prink no offence but it's dodgy and subtly aggressive comments like that, that get people arguing in the first place. If his fans wanna call him god then let them. I'm sure they are just joking around.
And Kcohere, from what i've seen, you seem to be in the mix of the fighting as much as anyone if you don't mind me saying lol. I tend to join the party a bit late when shit goes down :P
Eh, maybe they would but they would probably piss off other members at the same time. I mean, I see Kenny as being really similar to Abraham, and, while he didn't exactly get along with Rick, they weren't totally hostile with eachother. I think that if they met Kenny they would have probably just fought a bunch and parted ways later on.
Im back, but only to come back to yet another reply... and the things I say are actually quite kind and opinionated as I have not been rude to you although I can be but I won't be, it seems like you are taking any little thing I say and making it in to a whole insult that I "apparently" said, and yes, crying does show emotion... its literally common knowledge... basicly what I am seeing here is telling someone my opinion but obviously they dont want to accept it or even think about it, instead they are trying to make me seem like Im insulting you. you telling ME that I should not be telling you what you know clearly is hypocritical because you just stated yourself what you don't want others to do. be carefull with some of the things you say, prink, this is the reason why most people who like kenny 100 percent dislike jane, because of the edgy jane comments. I don't hate either of them because honestly my favorite character is the one I play as which is Clem but overall Kenny made up for all the annoying things he did when I chose to save him at the last second and Im glad I chose his ending. and your quite welcome but I dont spend alot of times on the forums so this whole conversation seems pointless to me as Im barely even reading any of the responses now and clearly trying to stop this chat.
I thought that to and was about to say it if I spent 24/7 responding or reading any of the other biased comments, lately the ones I get notifications from are just funny. But this whole kennyvsjane thing is just getting boring. People who call kenny god is just.. terrible, I have known many who would call jane that too. Stop talking about Kenny will help some of it, but STOP talking about jane and it will help all of it, its not just a one person thing.
I do mind since I try to make a point not to get into fights. I criticize Kenny when I feel like he deserves it, but I try not to personally attack other fans. In any case, if people would stop talking about Kenny, none of us would be fighting over or about him. I believe that was the point I was trying to make.
Fair enough. I don't think that people are gonna just stop talking about him. He's far too big a character for that to happen. I think one of the main reasons some of the more heated arguments happen is that deep down one side can't stand the fact that he is loved by many, whilst deep down the fans on the other side of the argument can't stand that he is hated by many.
Because the whole group only learned that same day that people who die actually come back as walkers and Kenny wasn't even there when it happened, I don't think he would know enough about how a person looks before reanimating, or even how long it should take. They also would be unable to restrain him long enough to bring over a saltlick without running the risk of having someone bit because Larry was the strongest member of the group. The saltlick would be hard to throw or hit with because of its weight, so the only "safe" option was the brutal one that sadly left no time to check for revivability: to kill him while he isn't moving and on the ground.
Also, on the subject of if Katjaa was in the same situation: I think it is clear that he would have been unable to do the same thing, seeing how he reacted when Duck was bit. However, I do think that Lily would be the one to use the saltlick in that scenario, just like how she wanted to protect the group earlier in the episode by leaving the school members behind.
I apologize, I wasn't being entirely serious(should start labeling my sarcasm on the internet since you can't tell a post's tone). And yeah, fans are allowed to call him God if they want and it's not like the glorification of characters hasn't started arguments in itself but I see your point.
I don't think it's really general discussions of Kenny but allot of these fights are conflicts in opinions, the worst part is those who feel their opinion is objective and try to tell you yours is wrong but that's not just something you get exclusively from fans of just Kenny, there are others as well.
"Opinions are opinions but some opinions I just laugh at because they are overly wrong its pityfull" that's your idea of being kind? Saying you laugh at other peoples' opinions because you yourself feel they're overly wrong thus thinking it's pitiful?
My comments are responses to yours, all of you to do is read your own comment if you don't believe you typed anything I referred to down and I'm not taking anything you say as an insult, this is a discussion where I'm mostly trying to tell you that which ending is better or more emotional is subjective but you persist in trying to tell me I'm wrong about my own opinion.
Yes, crying does show emotion but it's not the only way to express emotion and doesn't mean a scene is more emotional for every individual just if a person or character cries in the scene. never once said that crying didn't show emotion.
What do I not want others to do? Please show me where I said I don't accept your opinion or more so where you felt as if I said as such. All I've been telling you is that you're wrong in your statement that one of the ending is objectively better because it's all dependent on perspective which makes it a subjective topic.
So basically disliking a character based on the comments made about those characters? Personally, I don't see how comments about characters have much to do with the actual characters themselves, people have written subjectively 'edgy' Kenny comments, if you saw those and thought the same would you dislike Kenny?
Well then, what's the point in replying? You don't bother to read my comments(as you've stated) and you accuse me of saying things I have not said(without even showing an example from any of my comments) but at least you finally stopped telling that Kenny's ending is better objectively or regardless of opinion, so there's some improvement
We are still seriously talking about whether or not Telltale is fair? When you have juxtaposed characters, of course you're going to have to choose between them. It just makes sense..Personally, I'm surprised Kenny even survived to the final episode. I thought he'd be dead by episode 3. So I'm glad it ended up the way it did.
Um im pretty sure the same could be said if the name "Jane" disappeared from here as well there would be equally less fighting because if someone was to make a negative comment about Jane, 9 times out of 10 (on this site anyway) a Jane fan is going to hit back at the post in defence of Jane.
When someone mentions the word Kenny or Jane an argument is bound to start so I don't think it's fair to just say getting rid of the word Kenny would stop arguments
Who are you talking to? I'm not the Kenny hater
When Katjaa and duck died in season 1 he lost it a little and when lee has the option to fight him it makes Kenny realize that it is over for them and when Ben tells Kenny he goes off on him but that was because Kenny was done blaming himself for their deaths and in season 2 when sarita died he had Clem to blame just as he did with Ben but then when Jane fakes Alvie's death he feels like going crazy a third time but if you let him kill jane then he insta calms at the sight if Alvie and he seems to feel bad for killing jane and he says he would never hurt Clem and that's why he never hurt her and the scene in the tent with Clem and Kenny if you choose to be rough on him then most likely he will be reminded of when lee knocked some sense into him and he goes back to calm so therefore Kenny is not a monster
I skimmed over your comment. Theres no other way of explaining it to you, well actually there is, but that would be no point of me trying as your not going to even see a little bit of what I am talking about. and you want me to change my opinion, and yet you got angry because I apparently told you that you couldnt have one? do you read your own words? My opinion is not changing. More then likely if you did not hate kenny you would see then, but your literally going against common knowledge if you don't think that kenny forcing himself to leave clem behind, all of them were crying including the lady at wellignton, and either they seperate or they walk off in to the sunset together, instead of just jane meeting a group of survivors OR chasing them out (wtf), that ending sounds more to me like a episode ending, Kennys ending felt to me like a season ending, because everything was cleared out and it ending with a bright light in wellignton when clem walked in to show a new life, while janes literally just ended, I believe one youtuber called pewdiepie mentioned that too when he played both endings, he hated janes. Also I only told you to stop using emojees since I was helping you, because it makes you sound like a 10 year old who is trying to keep cool but is about to have a tantrum. I cant take people seriously when they have to add emojees to every sentence or paragraph. Anyways, (I could care less if you choose to answer this question) are you a boy or a girl? Im just researching something and so far Im still correct.
Yeah, food was short, but then again it is an apocalypse. And yeah, the group shattered, then again, it always was since Howe's, you can't blame Kenny for that though, he had his heart set on Wellington, M/B on south, Jane on Howe's. The best thing would have been to sit down and discuss a solution. Sadly, Mike + Bonnie had no respect for Kenny after Arvo, and Jane was dwindling on respect, he knew he was outvoted, hence his aggressive stance on Wellington
Just ironic. To many jane worshipers and kenny worshipers on this kinds of forums (although on this forum its more jane worshipers). Generally I think I hate both of them lately
Kenny comes up a lot more and in a lot more different contexts and people's reactions to him are a lot more varied and strong, so I dont think the same thing can be said about Jane. Her character is not as impactful.
I hope your not calling me a Jane worshipper. I dont worship any of the characters.
I wasn't responding to you so no I was not calling you one, you should know if your one or not but I was calling the majority of people on forums like these are jane fans, some taking it to far which would be jane worshipers, there are less kenny fans and less kenny worshipers especially on this forum but maybe they are stopping, so jane fans/worshipers should know to stop as well. So far everyone commenting right now in this section are jane fans, obviously, except me and maybe one other person. I see jane much more then kenny lately, MUCH more, and you as well as anyone else should know that getting rid of just "one" side of the arguement, kenny fans, is rather unfair to say just because you like jane more, you would rather the other side to stop, but TRUTHFULLY both need stop if this cancer is to end, not just the kenny side that janes want to go away.
"Nevertheless, it still doesn't warrant her death by the hands of Kenny." Yep, Jane didn't deserve to die. Which is why it's so bewildering to me that she couldn't just at least attempt to save her own life by admitting that the baby was in fact safe in the car. If Kenny had then spared her, she probably still would have gotten Clementine to see how dangerous he was WITHOUT anyone having to die in the process, seeing as it became obvious to Clementine that Kenny was going to kill her. She could have saved her life though if she'd just told Kenny the truth at the last moment. He'd probably then have started frantically searching for AJ (his reason for existing at this point) and forgotten all about killing her. And even if he did kill her after she told him the truth, that would prove beyond a doubt that Kenny was insane. In any case, I believe that Jane could have proved her point to Clementine without waiting until someone was dead for the truth to be revealed. That withholding of the truth is what I believe proves that JANE was the crazy one. It was unnecessary and resulted in either her or Kenny being killed over nothing, which just isn't justifiable at all.
As for Kenny killing Jane being wrong, as far as both parties were concerned, they were both trying to kill the other out of self defence as much as anything. Seeing as in this fight BOTH were completely determined not to stop until the other was dead. But there would never have been a fight AT ALL had it not been for JANE.
That is why I'm personally siding with Kenny on this one.
So you insult me, try to tell me your opinion is objective and my opinion is wrong, make accusations without evidence to back them up, tell me to stop using emojis for your own personal preference and even choose not to acknowledge allot of what I've said, allot of your responses clearly show you haven't even read what I've written and you even say this yourself multiple times, so, since you don't want to even try to read my comments and I'm not giving you any personal information, go find it yourself as I've commented my gender on the forums before
, I'm going to stop it here, this discussion is overdue to end, so goodbye and have a nice day 
Nope it doesn't prove that. You're right, but im basing it on my view of her towards AJ. Would Jane have took AJ back to Howes for the baby formula if Clem wasn't around/with her? She might but im not so sure which i'll mention in a moment
During a conversation with Rebecca in episode 4, she implied (at least it certainly did to me) that Rebecca should get rid of it. She said "what are you going to do with it" and made remarks how it's going to be a problem because it's noisy. This is true and i could see what she means but I didn't agree with the attitude towards him before he was even born and even when born still referring to him as an "it". But like you said she may have grown to like him throughout Ep5 through Clementine also and that's fine that it is from your perspective. But I would honestly not be so sure if she'd take care of him if Clem wasn't around but that's just from my perspective.
Im back, Yeah, you say you want to end it and yet I said that since the beginning that you need to stop. and I am only asking your gender since every girl on here g seem to be jane lovers, and over all you sound like a girl. The only one your offending is yourself honestly, your freaking out over nothing, especially over virtual characters. If you REALLY wanted it to end, you would have stopped at the very beginning when I told you that Im ending it, but nope. Over ironic. Good bye
Never said it did, as I said it's my own perspective.
You don't have to agree with her perspective at the possible threat AJ could have due to the group and I entirely disagreed with her on any stance she had on not wanting AJ to live but she can still have her own opinion, it makes me think that Jane could be more so scared of babies rather than dislike them but that's also up to perspective. She might not have taken care of him without Clementine at the start I think but I personally see it as being less likely after the Howe's ending but again, just my own perspective ^-^
I don't think Kenny is a monster at all. He's lost a lot. After his family died, he lost all hope to survive and that's why he turned to alcohol. When we thought he died, he ended up being alive. They're must have been something that kept him alive to find Sarita. Then when he found Clem again, he found the reason to why he fought to stay alive. So to answer the question, I don't think Kenny is a monster, he handled grief in a violent way. Which in a world they live in who wouldn't go that way? We see they way people handle grief in the world of the walking dead and that's through violence. Kenny isn't a monster. Even though he's done bad things. At the end of season 2 I couldn't have him killed.
Look how Rick acted after Lori's death on the show, (I have no idea how he acted in those comics as I've never read them)!
Look how Tyreese reacted when his girlfriend was killed at the prison!
Look how Abraham reacted when he found out that Eugene had lied about everything - he damn near beat him to death in a few quick hard punches!
The point is is that these men are and were decent men, but when beset by severe loss and pain, they lashed out at the people around them.
So why shouldn't Kenny be given the same benefit of the doubt?
Now of course, this is all just in the realm of fiction. But the reason why I think this issue, and others like it keep coming up on this website, other then it is a website about Telltale Games and The Walking Dead, is the principles and ethics surrounding it. Plus, there's always that "what would you do in this type of scenario" question that looms over the over these types of discussions. I think as human beings, we all like to imagine how he would react to these types of scenarios, or we imagine how we would like to react. but the truth is is that nobody ever knows for sure how they're going to react to situations like this until they are faced with them!
Incidentally, I did not intend for this to become a Kenny vs Jane discussion. So to ANYONE who reads this comment, I would ask that we please steer away from that as much as possible. I don't want this thread to be closed because people start becoming rude to each other, and all over these scenarios that happened was in a video game. So to all who read this comment, let's please try to keep things civil from here on out. Thank you!
Yes he is,he's the reason why the group splintered due to his selfishness and emotional instability. He's also indirectly caused Clem to get shot.
Maybe if Clem didn't shoot Arvo's reanimated sis in the first plaace this wouldn't have happened so yeah she getting shot was completely on her.