Episode 3 Discussion (SPOILERS)
Aw nah that cliffhanger man.
So what do you guys think of episode 3? Personally, I think its the best episode so far. So many tough choices and plot revelations. Have to say, this game is looking up.
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Oh gods. Oh gods. That episode.
That episode was absolutely fantastic. Everything, everything. There isn't a single thing that I looked at and was like "well, that could have been done differently". Hell no.
And that twist? Vicky? Really? Holy hell I did NOT see that coming. And then, when I thought about previous interactions with her, it makes so much sense!
One thing I truly loved was that we had a choice to just be nice to Oswald. That was great because he is the kind of person that just want to get on your nerves, and when you smile and pretend you are happy for him he is so disappointed! I love that!
Can we get Emily to write more episodes?
It was great, the start was kinda slow though, but the story started to move along nicely after Oz was introduced to be the new CEO.
I found Oz as the new head a touch ridiculous. So they wiped his record in Gotham, and then gave buddies as his references. What the hell kind of HR department do they have at Wayne Enterprises.
I loved this episode so much. These series are getting better and better. There's a lot to talk about.
Vicky Vale as Lady Arkham.
Ok, so the first thing I have to say about this is... I CALLED IT xD! Plenty of her actions indicated that she was acting against Bruce:
Now, I don't know Vicky's original character. I've never seen or read any of the Batman's movies or comics. But this seems like a really original twist on her original character, and let me tell you, this seems promissing. I'm very interested in figuring her out. What exactly are her motivations? For how long does she hold a grudge against Wayne, Hill and Falcone? How long has she been planning all of this? How did she manage to get everyone who was involved in the Arkham Asylum monstrosities dead? How did The Children of Arkham founded? Did she start it? So many questions!!! And so far we've got:
... to go on. Which isn't much. Anyways, really looking forward to see more of Lady Arkham.
Thomas and Martha's Wayne killing exaplained!
Thank god they took their time to get this explained! Tt was one of my major "Wtf" 's from episode two. Hill ordering a hit because he had a change of heart? Yeah, sure! But seriously, I cannot appreciate this clarification enough. Thank you, Telltale.
Harvey
One of my many fears is that just because I saved Harvey, I wouldn't get to see his bipolar character side. Thankfully, it is there anyways and it is being made right. The paranoia about the debate, the fear of the Children of Arkham spying and trying to kill him, the betrayal from Selina and Bruce... it's all adding up, and as we see in the 'Next Time On', he's breaking and going aginst us.
It's also worth noting how his Batman fanatism (that he only shows if you save him twice, I think?) was hinted in episode 2:
Selina & CatBat
I'm liking their dynamic. I admit, seeing a sex scene in the Telltale engine was... odd. I... cringed... a lot. But the good cinematography and good chemestry between them two ofuscated all of that.
I really liked their interactions. I hope she accepts Bruce's offer and moves permanently to the mansion. Obviously she seems to take no interest to pursue a serious relationship if you didn't save her, but I hope we still have a shot.
And by the way, I think it's pretty clear that Selina and Harvey weren't in a serious/established relationship...
... I mean, Harvey might've though so...
... Or maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better...
Episode 4's theme irony
I just wanted to point out how ironic it is that Bruce Wayne, son of Thomas Wayne, the man who psychologically tortured countless people in Arkham, ends up in Arkham. I think it'll be an interesting prespective and I can't wait to see how Telltale will manage to make the next episode with Bruce in lockdown.
While in this topic, I must say that our vilain's beef with Bruce isn't as unjustified as it seems. Sure, Bruce never did anything, yet 'the money spends'. Bruce's entire comfy whealthy life was 'built on corpses'. How do you make an innocent yet guilty person pay? Very intriguing...
Erin Yvette
Just wanted to add that it'll be really cool to see Erin portray a vilain. I already loved her performance during the last scene.
We've seen her portray 'good gals' (Molly, Snow White and Sasha), gray characters (Bonnie), a protagonist (Bonnie) and now she'll be a vilain! I'm looking forward to more scenes with her. This character is hyping me way too much.
I found vale being the main bad even more ridiculous then the penguin stuff.
So is this version of Vicky a trained skilled fighter as well? Lols (face palm)
Yeah, I didn't see that twist coming either! Surprised me, but as you said, looking back on Vicky's actions it makes sense.
A corrupt one?
There is for sure, a lot to talk about following this episode. Definitely one of the best ones yet, out of any Telltale game I have played!
Yeah, and those rocket boots and that force staff that Vicky has for her "Lady Arkham" outfit. Seems a bit out of place.
I can safely say this was my reaction:
Yeah big time face Palm moment, seemed to sacrifice what made logical sense for a twist.
Unless they revamp her entire background and somehow she learnt how to be a great fighter... inbeetwen her journalism lol
I like that better than being paranoid about a character for a year and watching everyone shipping him with one of the main character who you are sure he is going to betray because it is so obvious (cough Game of Thrones cough).
Or worse, for the reveal to be absurd for the sake of being shocking, and looking back it makes no sense (cough Game of Thrones again cough).
The Vicky twist is a twist done right.
I did not see Vicki as the Children of Arkham leader coming. In other words, so it was Ms. Vale that drugged Montoya. And I was hoping that it was a Child of Arkham impersonating a cop.
That was a turn...Never saw the ending coming...I had a hunch, why she wanted to meet in the park...Alfred with the rifle though...I hope and pray....I was literally shocked...well done telltale....well done!! Hardly any performance issues on iPad Pro 12.9 either
That was a great episode, there were some really great twists that I didn't see coming, but ended up working really well. Like with Oz, Telltale has taken some liberties with the character of Vicki Vale, but it works in the game's favor, it's nice to see her be more than just a love interest, which always seems to be what she's relegated to in comics/movies. Her being the villain I was not expecting, but based on what we've seen, it makes sense, and I can't wait to learn what her motivations are and what the Wayne's, Hill, and Falcone did to make her do this. Travis Willingham was great as Harvey/Two Face in this episode, you can really tell when Harvey was talking and when Two Face took control, even if you chose to save Harvey over Selina in episode 2 (wonder if Troy gave him some tips when it came to this, considering how he was Two Face in the Arkham series). The choices in this episode were great, both in how previous ones impacted the game and the ones that we had to make in this episode. I really wanted to be a dick to Oz when he was revealed to be the new CEO, or reveal that he was part of the Children of Arkham, but to try and save face and think about the long term affects, I chose not to, but they were some hard ones to make, especially since the game presented you with numerous opportunities to do something along those lines. Overall, it was a fantastic episode.
Best Episode by far. Glad I got to bang Selena. I have to say that plot twist was great and it's also cool seeing Harvey plunge deeper into madness. But I feel like him seeing me with Selena made his mental state much worse though and it hit me like a ton of bricks.
I truly did not expect Vicky to be the Leader of the Children of Arkham. I guess I was too used to Vicky being the love interest to suspect that she was in fact the villain. But I do suspect the Leader to be someone we know, because it wouldn't have been as effective if it was some random guy.
This twist took me completely off guard.
I will say the whole Oz thing doesnt make sense in a real world situation, they dont just go, Oh jeez, just become CEO buddy! However, who says that Regina isnt part of the Children?
I'm definitely going to have to replay the first two episodes, because outside of what we saw this episode with her "somehow" being able to get an interview with the leader, I don't remember there being ANY clues for it at all.
My feeling is that in this world there was no "Vikki Vale" before she took the position at the Gotham Gazette, that it's an entire fiction that she created to be able to comfortably watch the people in power and pull strings where she could.
What's funny is that before I started playing episode 3, I heard someone online say that there's a twist on who the leader is, and when I saw all the tech the Arkham leader had, my guess was Lucius Fox.
I just hope Alfred's a good shot with that rifle...he might actually get the first shot off as he was expecting Harvey...or secretly batman/selina is hiding ready to 'pounce'.. get it.. 'pou.... I'll see myself out.
Hmm maybe so...it's intriguing...anything could happen.
I'm actually the designer. @nicole_m wrote the episode
I feel so terribly sad for Harvey...He is just a very unlucky guy who didn't deserve all this pain and trauma. Excellent voice acting by Travis, he managed to make Harvey both immensely sympathic and terrifying as Two-Face.
When we all joked about Telltale having a sex scene and they did it
I think Bruce killing Oswald would also make for a great opening scene for Episode 4. Everything happens in slow motion. The episode starts a few seconds after where it left off, with the camera's POV focusing on the panicking journalists and civilians screaming, running and calling help. Then it focus on security rushing towards the podium. And finally we're shown Bruce (again, everything in slow-mo) punching Cobblepot's face repeatedly, slowly smashing it into a pulp, with blood on his hands (literally and figurativelly xD).
Obviously this would be terribly hard on Bruce, giving his no-kill policy, which would make a great inner struggle... Buuuut, I guess Oz is still needed for something.
I think the biggest one was her being at the police station right after the shooting.
But most of the hints can be attributed to her being a reporter, and that's why it is so good. Her actions do not dictate that she necessarily had to be the leader, she could just be a regular reporter! It is the other way round: Her being the leader is as good of a reason for her to act like she did as being a reporter is.
Oh yeah, it's completely different. In the comics and the movies she's in (biggest one being the 1989 Batman movie starring Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson), she's very different. She was basically created to be Batman's Lois Lane -- a potential love interest who Bruce had to duck around to make sure she never found out his secret identity.
It's such a weird, out of left field twist for the character that I'm not 100% sure I like yet, but I have to admit it's probably the most interesting the character has been in years.
I just saw the scene with Harvey in the mayor office. While he still have the split personality, there are differences.
Unscarred, Harvey is more stable but also quite paranoid. The paranoia, the stress and responsibility of working as mayor seems be what is causing his Two-Face side to come out. But it is far more subtle.
Scarred on the other, it is no doubt clear that Harvey has a split personality and using his coin more often. But he is oddly less paranoid. It is like the paranoia and cruelty is in his Two-Face side while Harvey has some laid-backness.
It's almost like your choices mater and we paid attention. CRAZY, I know.
Well then I hope we get to see more stuff by both of you, because I'm totally hyped right now.
This episode taught me a valuable life lesson: DON'T. TRUST. REPORTERS.
I get what you are saying, but I would not articulate it as "less paranoid." I would describe it as him being further lost in his delusions from Two-Face, to the point where his aggressive Two-Face side's personality overrides and suppresses the vulnerable sides of Harvey. The paranoia from the less scared/non burnt version of Harvey is more pronounced because the normal version of Harvey's personality is able to scratch to the surface.
So what was the consequence of not saving Selina? I saved her obviously and got two face. So what of you guys who chose not to save her?
Telltale weren't kidding when they said they wanted a realistic version of Batman, were they?
I still got my chance to sleep with her. Although there are no doubt some dialogue difference.
Due to events that happen in Episode 3 (and the debate from Episode 2), he still gets somewhat paranoid due to the Children of Arkham spying on him as well as the attempted attack, but it is much less pronounced in stuff like his dialogue. The normal Harvey still manages to come out a lot more often if you saved him in Episode 2.
This. Probably full of other Children of Arkham.
No, they weren't.
This game is the reason I don't trust reporters.