worst guardian
i have been reading the Jane guardian thread so i'm just putting this here who do you think is the worst guardian that clem has had it can be anyone that taught her something or tried to guide her in someway like carver seeing her being like him
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Jane was awful because on top of all the other shit she pulled she ended up killing herself after just a short time taking care of the kids. Selfish and irresponsible until the end.
Honorable mentions: Vernon would've been terrible if he got his way and took Clem off of Lee's hands. The guy could barely take care of his group of old people. He was a hypocrite and didn't actually care about Clem.
The stranger would've been horrible because he was deranged and would probably have been abusive towards Clem if she didn't comply with his replacement family delusion.
Jane
I'm voting for Jane as well.
I don't think she's bad as a person, but she's definitely flawed. She left AJ alone in a car just to "test" Kenny. She decides to commit suicide even though there's a child taking care of an infant in her care. Clementine was better off with Kenny, even though he's a little unstable he has accountability and he's responsible. He knows what it's like to be a father and to know how much a child needs a parent.
Well this should prove an interesting waste of fire. From my understanding, we're choosing from: Diana, Ed, Sandra, Lee, Christa, Omid, Kenny, Jane, and Edith.
So, Jane by default. Though to be honest, I don't think Jane was really ever supposed to be guardian material to begin with.
Well I mean, bias aside, it would need to be Jane.
So far on the care taker scale for Clem in terms of time, it would go:
Kenny - About 2 years (24+ Months)
Christa - Assuming Christa was about 3 months pregnant in S1 and about 6 months later when S2 Ep 1 starts, then the 16 month skip, Christa took care of Clem for about 22 months
Lee - About 3 or 4 months
Jane - Like 2 weeks
Besides the fact that Jane basically said she would never abandon Clem and would do anything for her, just to kill herself is already why she was the worst guardian. Not to mention that we can assume she only took care of Clem for about 2 weeks. If lets say it was Luke's baby, a few days pasted until the Kenny v Jane fight, then 9 days later. So its already creeping up on 2 weeks peregrinate. By the time Jane seems to notice that she is and takes a test it would be about week 3 of her pregnancy, and second week of being Clem's solo carer. However, I blame poor writing for her being such a weak guardian for the most part.
Jane. Never liked her from the beginning. They tried to show her as a "strong" character, but she really wasn't at all throughout season 2. She was pretty annoying and super ready to give up on everybody really fast. Not to mention she purposely tried to get Kenny to fight her, by pretending to have killed AJ then provoking Kenny into a rage. Then she kills herself after finding out she was pregnant. She was never one I thought that I could trust, especially with Clem or AJ's life, which is why I stayed with Kenny because I knew that he would definitely sacrifice himself for Clem and AJ without a second's hesitation.
This entire thread is already turning into "Jane Sucks" part two. I mean, come on... we get it.
Ben
oh i can see it now it would be opposite Clementine would be taking care of Ben
Being unbiased Jane because she was around d for the least amount of time to take care of AJ and Clementine
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1)jane
2)kenny
3)luke
Well jane haters need to show how going with her and shooting kenny was a bad choice.if they didn't do that, they will never be able to sleep at night. So let them do
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No one is perfect, but Sandra was definitely the worst.
Oh, I knew I forgot someone!
Everyone keeps saying Jane based off of 2 objectively bad actions that she's done when everyone's overlooking the REAL worst guardian in TWD...
Ayyy
Why do you say that? For all we know she died saving Clem or something.
I never thought Carlos was Clementine's guardian,though he was probably intended to be at one point during the original story concept.
Definitely Carlos. He really should have taught his daughter to...at least protect herself. Hell, it's been, what, 2 years or so into the apocalypse and he sounded like he treated like it was still the first week or so! Just like the characters in FTWD.
I was just saying guardian in general really.
Ayyy, you get it my dude.
Hell, Clementine technically parented Sarah better than the whole cabin group combined.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS. You complete me on these forums my dude.
Ayyy.
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That's pretty damn sad.
Yeah, it really is.
;_;
Well, my comment was more of a joke, but I'll go with it.
I highly doubt that. Sandra probably wandered off trying to figure out what was going on, and got bitten somewhere in their neighborhood. Then she died and turned in Clementine's home (upstairs I think, since Lee didn't see her while exploring the house), what caused Clem to hide inside the tree house for 3 (?) days.
I think Sandra was just a plot device and never got a chance to get lucky, real lucky, but still, realistic point of view makes me say she should've been more careful, especially with a child under her care.
Well, let's not be all negative. Sandra turned out to be a good babysitter after all, she straight up confronted a stranger who entered the house uninvited and started having personal conversation with a little girl. I'm glad Sandra had some guts to stop it. (pun intended)
I'm going to say, in terms of the people Clementine has been with - Kenny, why?
I still dislike the flashbacks for practically overriding Jane's character development, giving Kenny an odd death and not giving Edith an actual character.
This is my opinion of course, I understand why people pick Jane as the worst guardian for committing suicide but I still think Kenny is - he might've protected Clementine till his death in the Kenny route but prior to that, Jane did more for her in a smaller span of time and arguably her decision may have been less about abandoning Clementine and more about making sure that her and AJ would have better survival odds. Though I still feel it's out of character.
Jane was one of the best.
She was not selfish in hanging herself. I IN NO WAY SUPPORT SUICIDE, MIND YOU!!! Now, AJ was still a baby and by the time Jane would've had her kid, he would still technically be a baby. Jane didn't want to have Clementine worrying about her and her child, as they were already low on food and trying to survive with two kids would drain resources. I wasn't happy with what Jane did, but think about it.
Because they also didn't have the proper medical equipment and medicine to help with her birth, there was a chance she would end up the same way Rebecca did and then Clementine would have TWO babies to take care of. You can't do that on your own - you have to eat too, or else you're all dead.
Jane was thinking about what was best for Clementine.
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^Didn't want to reply to two comments with the same post, so let me make separate one.
Well, I think Carlos is underrated as a character, so let me speed-defense-post him real quick, to show ya'll more detailed picture of his relationship with Sarah.
First, he was a single father. Sarah's never mentioned her mother, which might be a sight of Carlos raising her alone even before the apocalypse.
It's implied they had lived within Carver's community for a longer time, presumably since the outbreak started, which would explain why the Cabin Group was so inexperienced and reckless when it came to surviving away from Howe's walls. Sarah's unpreparedness was not an individual case, the whole group was like this. Whoever's been responsible for it fucked that up. Perhaps CG wasn't allowed to get a proper apocalypse training or less likely, they were sheltered from what was happening (like repeatedly assured of everything being fine).
Carlos as a doctor (kind of) was very important to Carver, which is easy to see in S2Ep3. Judging by how Carver-Carlos relation looked like, I would say he was threatened and forced to work - notice his absence for most of Ep3 - and I'm 100% sure Carver was using Sarah as an assurance of Carlos' good behaving and overall reliability.
Carlos was like Lee. He knew about Sarah's condition and knew what symptoms/signs of her "getting worse" were. This makes me think that Carlos tried to accustom Sarah with the reality, but failed at it and never tried it again. Like Lee, he convinced himself that girl can't be hurt if he's around to protect her. Well, he didn't live long enough to meet his Chuck, but at Sarah's case, Clementine gun treatment might simply not work. Sarah's illness/condition could be her very blockade, which wouldn't be possible to skip with shooting a bottle.
He has obviously neglected Sarah in many ways, but considering all he had to deal with, it's understandable that he failed. He's realistic, well-written character; you just have to look at it from a different perspective.
Open for discussion here.
I don't think that's the only reason, but it definitely added to the number of people who do.
I've honestly been kinda tied on this general notion for a while now. At the very least, I think you should post this in the under/over-rated thread as well and I might even considered reviving/replacing my oldest thread for a similar purpose.
Actually, I've recently come to the conclusion that she may have been killed not too long ago, which likely ties into Carlos and Sarah's behavior in the face of danger.
Agreed. It's just that Sarah(and Nick)'s case was the most played up and substantial.
And vice versa, in a way, going by certain undertones.
That's the point.
Too bad it was never tested out, for whatever reason...
Eh...I'm not even sure if that's debatable because, despite being one ofthe only Cabin Group members to have a redeeming/"cool" moment, Carlos suffered the worst from the derailed story.