I don't think that's an edited thumbnail. Think of it: If that was the thumbnail, why would they digitally remove something from it if that was going to appear in the episode anyway? Why not choose a different, less-spoilery frame in the episode that doesn't need editing?
In fact, that's already a pretty spoilery thumbnail, considering the kids are alright, from the looks of it. Weird decision from Disney, if I do say so...
Guess it all kind of depends, in all honesty it probably isnt edited in anyway. But Disney did give us that really spoiler-filled trailer before so its not like it isnt something they've done before, and making a spoiler-y image less spoiler-y but still a spoiler seems to fit their marketing lol
I'm honestly kind of getting emotional, re-listening to the tracks from Episode 7.
I'm really going to miss this show. It's so freakin' ne… moreat.
Christophe Beck had to make some weird music for that last sitcom ep. From spooky hijinks music to a hopeful drug ad to an amazing superhero theme. That episode had everything.
@DeliciousDeku @Poogers555
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I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of nerds suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
WandaVision is officially over!
Not the most perfect finale but I really enjoyed the episode! Got some really cool moments, more great dialogue from Vision, as well as a whole heaping of emotional ones that actually had me tearing up. Of course I can't praise Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany enough for their performances. Absolutely loved the series overall and am sad to see it go, but a thing isn't beautiful because it lasts! Thankfully, Falcon and The Winter Soldier will be out in just two weeks to fill the MCU void in my chest!
Big spoilery thoughts below
I love that the double Vision conflict ended with a philisophical argument between the two on who is the real Vision.
It's also pretty hilarious to me that a bunch of fan theories ended up not coming through lmao. No Fan4stic cameo, no Quicksilver, no Mephisto, etc. GGnore. Thankfully I didn't buy too into all the fan theories and just watched the show lol.
Seeing the bullets phase through Monica was really cool looking. She's really got quite an arsenal doesn't she?
The Scarlet Witch outfit looks so fuckin' sick, I love it!
Fun fact, the Darkhold also appears in season 4 of Agents of Shield but it looks completely different, so that about confirms the canonicity of AoS. RIP.
Wanda and Vision's goodbye had me tearing up man. Goddamn, Wanda cannot catch a break! Fuck me, Vision really does keep getting the best lines doesn't he?
I really like that less than a handful of people absolved Wanda for what she did to Westview. The citizens are absolutely terrified of her/hate her by the end.
With Agatha still alive by the end, I wonder if she'll pop up in Multiverse of Madness.
The same goes for White Vision. He's still around so looks like Paul Bettany gets to keep his job! I wonder when he'll pop up next.
Looks like the mid-credits scene is a direct lead up to Captain Marvel 2 with the Skrull lady asking her to go to space.
With the after-credits scene it looks like Wanda is doing that astral projecting thing that Strange did in his movie in order to study the Darkhold. It also seems like she's taking a peek into the multiverse and Doctor Strange 2 will be dealing with Wanda looking to bring her children back.
Just a warning, there is both a mid-credit and after-credits scene.
Fun fact, the Darkhold also appears in season 4 of Agents of Shield but it looks completely different, so that about confirms the canonicity of AoS. RIP.
I don't think a cover of a book is enough to uncanonize the show just yet. Last we saw it Ghost Rider took it to Hell, and well there it could've transformed into "the real deal". Others suggest that there are several copies of the darkhold but I'm not so sure about that.
Kevin Feige actually mentioned agents of shield pretty much the first time since it released recently. The man easily could've said it isn't canon anymore, but instead he defended the shows (also talking about the Netflix shows), and especially their fanbase. In the end, AoS is some of the highest rated and best received content Marvel has put out. I hope it's still canon because it truly is a fantastic show.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of nerds suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
WandaVision is … moreofficially over!
Not the most perfect finale but I really enjoyed the episode! Got some really cool moments, more great dialogue from Vision, as well as a whole heaping of emotional ones that actually had me tearing up. Of course I can't praise Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany enough for their performances. Absolutely loved the series overall and am sad to see it go, but a thing isn't beautiful because it lasts! Thankfully, Falcon and The Winter Soldier will be out in just two weeks to fill the MCU void in my chest!
Big spoilery thoughts below
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Just a warning, there is both a mid-credit and after-credits scene.
I do hope that it does end up being canon. They could probably come up with some kind of explanation like the book constantly changing form or something. Though I think it's more likely that the show will be canon to the multiverse rather than the main universe since AoS has a lot to unpack with the Inhumans and whatnot. I have heard some... things regarding casting which could be exciting if they turn out to be true.
Well I watched it and it was overall pretty good, but I would def say it left me with some disappointment.
There was a few beats I found really weird. One was def the part where the town is angry at Wanda, but Wanda's response has nothing to do with how she didn't meant to do it but instead starts saying she's protecting them? Bit weird. I felt it was kind of investable Evan Peter's Quicksilver wasn't going to be any kind of multiverse stuff but I'm also a bit lost on how he had Quicksilver's powers seeing how Agatha doesn't seem to be capable of giving people powers.
I also felt it was pointless to make Hayward a bad guy. Plot easily could've progressed just the same with him remaking Vision to free the people of Westview as he thinks Wanda is evil and give him some characterization to explain his chip on the shoulder about super heroes, instead of "I am bad guy who who is bad." I mean dude then goes "We're going into the Hex!" And then gets stopped in a car crash and that's the end of him. I guess his only actual purpose was to cause drama for people outside the hex.
Anyway, skipping way a head, the ending I felt wasn't as emotional as it was going for simply because we know White Vision has the original Vision's memories now, so there goes Vision again but now we know this other Vision actually knows of the real world and the life he had with Wanda so its hard to imagine Vision and Wanda don't get their happy ending one day.
But now I do really want to say this though. I'm not someone who makes fan theories and if they don't come true I am going to get mad and say something is bad. Some of the stuff people were saying was honestly insane like Ian McKellen was coming back as Magneto because Marvel wants to contract an 81 year old man to play a major character in the MCU for years, right? Like would it have been some bat shit crazy cool thing? Yeah, but if you actually thought it was happening I have no idea what to tell you. Now all that said, I am not a big fan of how a lot of the cast of this show would say X thing and then X thing was not comparable at all. The Skrull (Talos' wife I think?) telling Monica to go hang out with Nick Fury in space is not even remotely comparable to The Mandalorian finale cameo. Paul Bentley saying the final episode has some big secret actor in the show but it was actually himself does not help either. Monica's actress still saying the space engineer's identify is important when it wasn't, why even say it. Like was Richard's showing up likely? No, but the way it was all portrayed really seemed like it should've been someone we'd seen before. Anyway this is becoming more of a rant but basically just trying to say I found that to be pretty silly, as it became less about what the show was actually showing viewers and more so the cast feeding these ideas seemingly knowing how exaggerated it was. Anyway rant thing over.
Overall I think this was a really solid series, but I do wish the ending was a bit more "conclusive" if that makes sense to anyone. But this was a really good episode as a whole. I'm mostly just nitpicking the series as a whole here. Anyway, I'd give the entire series a solid 8/10, yes even after my annoying rant about the last episode.
But most importantly:
Justice for my fucking boy Agent Franklin, that dude is literally still stuck in those tunnels or some shit please save my boy everyone forgot about him what the fuck
Justice for my fucking boy Agent Franklin, that dude is literally still stuck in those tunnels or some shit please save my boy everyone forgot about him what the fuck
Clearly he's Mephisto. He just went back to Hell or something.
Well I watched it and it was overall pretty good, but I would def say it left me with some disappointment.
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Overall I think t… morehis was a really solid series, but I do wish the ending was a bit more "conclusive" if that makes sense to anyone. But this was a really good episode as a whole. I'm mostly just nitpicking the series as a whole here. Anyway, I'd give the entire series a solid 8/10, yes even after my annoying rant about the last episode.
But most importantly:
(Spoiler)
This was a very nice final episode for WandaVision.
There was a lot of great action, tension and some surprise twists.
The ending left me feeling (mostly) satisfied with how it's been wrapped up and it was a pretty emotional, near-tear-jerking ribbon to tie up the series.
Though, like others, I do wish it had a bit more finality to it. It feels like the real resolution to the conflict was cut short in the end.
The final moments of Wanda and Vision's time together was some heart-breaking stuff. I'd never have guessed this series would get me so invested in their relationship, as well as Wanda's kids. Pretty dark too, having the kids die in their sleep and having Agatha live under a permanent trance/illusion until she becomes useful to Wanda.
At the same time, the insinuation that Wanda's sacrifice outweighed the trauma she caused for the Westview citizens was pretty ridiculous. (With the line said by Monica:) "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them"... Ummm she had them under her robotic mind-control for weeks, some children were stuck in their rooms the whole time. That's pretty messed up, regardless of how sad Wanda's grief is.
I do feel like that ending's impact is kinda undercut with the idea that we've got White Vision somewhere out there, with all his memories unlocked as well as Wanda trying to recreate her perfect world again. Not sure if Wanda would take him to be Vision again, but that'll probably be explored at a letter time.
Hayward was a villain I really hope doesn't just dissappear. I do agree that him being one of the big bads in the end was a tad annoying (@Poogers555). I found it weird how he charges into the Hex and when Wanda's back is turned he feels the need to shoot her children. Wtf dude. I do like the idea of him being distrustful of Supers though, as well as his disdain for the people that survived the Snap. I hope the latter will also be explored later, either through him or other characters.
I agree with everyone here tho that it was really funny seeing all the reddit fan theories fall apart week after week. No mephisto, no multiverse -- not even tying into Spiderman 3 -- and really surprisingly, no Doctor Strange. (Now, I don't have much comic knowledge, but I'm still going to guess that Nightmare is going to appear through Wanda's actions in Dr. Strange 2.)
It was also pretty fun to have the final conflict between the two robots in the show be a philosophical debate about identity lol.
Overall, this was a really fun, creative show. Hopefully Falcon and Winter Soldier isn't too packed with action since I think I need to ease myself into the Marvel action realm (or they need better framing/choreography). That final battle went on a bit too long, IMO. (Also hopefully they have episodes longer than 25 minutes.)
Thanks for coming.
This was fun. Props to Matt Shakman, Jac Schaeffer, Elisabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany for their awesome acting chops and the rest of the team at Marvel.
Also I gotta say I am a bit disappointed that Evan Peters isn't going to continue being Quicksilver in the MCU. I said way back when that I thought it would turn into a fake out, but now that the show is over and its confirmed he is a random dude, I am pretty bummed that means he won't be Quicksilver in the MCU. Obviously the real quicksilver is dead and all that, but I always felt Quicksilver in Ultron both character and actor choice wasn't the best. Evan Peters was one of Fox X-Men that not only was a highlight of the even crappy X-Men movies, but the persona he brought with Quicksilver was way better than the MCU's, so a part of me was hoping they wanted to reintroduce Quicksilver back into the MCU in someway using Evan Peters, but now I dont realistically see that happening. Which kinda sucks.
That is a good point. I was worried he'd turn out to be some random Joe Schmoe that Agatha was mind-controlling, and unfortunately that's true. Considering this show's ending is so bleak for Wanda, I don't think it would have been fitting with the theme to have one of her family members -- whether of this universe or not -- survive. I'd be lying if I didn't say I'll miss him though. He had a lot of charisma as Quicksilver
What an amazing finale! I don't think I've been as excited for a series as I was for Wandavison.
There were some really really emotional parts, and I loved that Vision and White Vision were just talking it out. It felt pretty suiting for the character. The death of the Billy and Tommy, and Vision was very sad. And the appearance of a more comic accurate costume was a pretty neat addition since we did get a cheaper one as a gag. It's cool to see a legit one. Kind of disappointed that it wasn't really Pietro and just Agatha's husband. But, it makes sense. Overall, this was a really exciting series and I enjoyed it. Totally can't wait for Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
I love how after a Marvel film is out for like 2 weeks and now after a Marvel show finished, the marketing is just filled with spoilers as the narrator just tells you how much of a fucking loser you are if you haven't seen it yet lmfao
Lol I'm pretty sure they always give you until Monday to be all caught up. After that deadline, it's just spoilery promo after spoilery promo.
They've been doing this for every episode. The marketing department has no chill jeez.
By the way, can we talk about how supremely silly it is that Monica tried to give Wanda a pass for the whole Westview incident? I mean c'mon!
"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them". What?? She was holding people hostage, forcing them to experience her grief through the veil of a perfect life!This all happened because of what she created! Yes, it's sad, but that doesn't make it excusable. I'm so confused why the resident's issues are being glossed over like that.
I love how after a Marvel film is out for like 2 weeks and now after a Marvel show finished, the marketing is just filled with spoilers as the narrator just tells you how much of a fucking loser you are if you haven't seen it yet lmfao
There's a week break until the Falcon show, but there's still a bit of new Marvel content this Friday.
A special about the Making of/Behind-the-scenes on WandaVision is going to release. I'm excited about that, but worried it might just be a short promo for the show. Hopefully it's at least 10 minutes. Some of the featurettes released early in in the series look neat, but I just want more.
There's also episodes 3-6 of the Marvel Legends recap series coming out on Friday. Strangely, episode 3 and 4 (for Falcon & Winter Soldier) appeared already last week. I'm assuming the remaining two will be about Zemo and Sharon?
Final trailer for The Falcon and The Winter Soldier is out!
The shot of Sam at the Captain America exhibit and him giving a heartfelt speech makes me believe that the series will start with Steve's funeral. I'm gonna feel the big sad if it is since he's my favourite character in the MCU lol.
Just finished episode 1 of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier!
I thought it was really damn good. It's also a lot darker than I thought it'd be. It feels very much like Captain America: The Winter Soldier in terms of tone and action and it does a good job of expanding on Sam and Bucky as characters. This might actually be the best CGI action I've seen on a tv show. I'm really excited to see where this is headed.
Yoooo being an Avenger sucks ass. You save the world time and time again but you don't get paid?
Also hot damn did the government do Sam dirty. As soon as he gave the shield to them they turn around and give it to some white dude.
Overall it was pretty good but I dont think I will find it as engaging as WandaVision. Sam's family fishing boat adventures feel a bit out of place though, but I do think it is a good window to help show off how the blip is effecting regular people in the MCU. I did really like how the blip lead to things such as not being able to take a loan because your records say you made 0 income the last 5 years even though you didn't actually exist anymore in that time frame. Obviously that won't happen in the real world, but honestly if a "blip" did happen shit like that is exactly the type of treatment I would expect to happen to many people.
Oh and also The Cheadle in the house lets fucking GOOOOO
Got around to seeing Episode 1 tonight. I'm very interested in how this show is going to play out, given all the plot threads being juggled already. (though we do only have 6 episodes to deal with this time...)
I wonder what's up with that new evil super soldier. Did someone get their hands on the super-steroids?
Zemo. He's supposed to be in super-jail courtesy of Everett Ross (Martin Freeman), yet he's coming back for this show. Hopefully we see this break-out in real-time or in a flashback.
I also wonder how Bucky is going to tie into all this, especially with all these new relationships he's got. There's Yori (who I'm sure he'll tell about his son and might burn that bridge), this guy Unique, the bartender lady he's getting in with. Plus that therapist he's seeing (and I do not like her already. She doesn't seem... 'helpful' to Bucky.)
Happy to see Rhodey appear. Hope that's not the last of him for this show, maybe it is, ehhh.
Buncha cool action in this episode's opening. Bucky's flashback was cool. Excited to see how they use the budget for this series...
Buncha human moments too. Seeing Sam and his sister struggle to get a loan -- despite one being a superhero and also literally disappeared for 5 years, god that stings. Jeez. You could just feel the unconscious bias in that scene.
No post-credits scene. WandaVision having it for the last 3 episodes made me think that was a thing they were going to do for every MCU show, but I guess that was just meant to ease people away from the sitcom format back into an MCU format?
The ending seemed a bit abrupt, but I'm glad we're getting a 50-minute episode here.
Also... damn it, America! You had to go behind Sam's (and Steve's) back like that?! (Though, duh, of course they would ) I've got bad vibes from this new "Cap" already.
Disney is finally giving in to quarantine and pushing it to Disney+. Other films have been shifted around too.
Black Widow will not premiere on May 7. It will now premiere on July 9, in theatres and on Disney Plus for 30$.
The live-action origin story of Cruella (bleh) was supposed to premiere later this summer, but they've moved it up to May 29th. It will also release simultaneously in theatres and Disney Plus for 30$.
The Pixar film Luca is bypassing theatres entirely and will only premiere on Disney Plus. No menton of a price, so I guess that'll be included for free like Onward and Soul.
Shang Chi has also been pushed back from July to September.
Thinkin about how Shang Chi still has gotten 0 promo.
Im guessing now that they caved and went Disney plus they'll get back on track marketing wise, which funny enough means its probs just gonna be a dump of Marvel trailers every few weeks between TV Shows and movies.
The Black Widow release date got shifted yet again!
Disney is finally giving in to quarantine and pushing it to Disney+. Other films have… more been shifted around too.
* Black Widow will not premiere on May 7. It will now premiere on July 9, in theatres and on Disney Plus for 30$.
* The live-action origin story of Cruella (bleh) was supposed to premiere later this summer, but they've moved it up to May 29th. It will also release simultaneously in theatres and Disney Plus for 30$.
* The Pixar film Luca is bypassing theatres entirely and will only premiere on Disney Plus. No menton of a price, so I guess that'll be included for free like Onward and Soul.
* Shang Chi has also been pushed back from July to September.
Just finished episode 2. While it's a bit more lighthearted compared to the first episode, it definitely still has its darker moments, and is still really enjoyable just the same!
Loved the return of the Star Spangled Man With a Plan theme song!
Isaiah Bradley, who I immediately looked up after the end of the episode, makes his appearance! In the comics he was known as the first black Captain America and he has a similar backstory to the one given here, though it was WW2 instead of the Korean War.
Seems like his grandson is also the Patriot! A Young Avenger who was inspired by Captain America. This one I actually knew.
Of course Zemo appears at the end and it looks like he'll be giving our couple here a hand in defeating the Flag Smashers. I wonder if he'll turn on them by the end of the series or if he'll be an anti-hero of some kind, which would be a big departure from his comic book persona.
We also got that good old fashioned racism, with Sam being racially profiled by a cop and Isaiah's story of being forcefully imprisoned and experimented on by the US government. I wasn't sure if the series would touch on subject matter like this but I'm glad that the end of the previous episode and this proved me wrong.
I was actually kinda liking John Walker at the start, but by the end with how he speaks to Sam and Bucky, and how he carries himself, it's obvious that he doesn't deserve the shield. I hope Sam and Bucky just steal it from him lmao.
Just finished episode 2. While it's a bit more lighthearted compared to the first episode, it definitely still has its darker moments, and is still really enjoyable just the same!
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Way better than last week. Wasn't sure I would enjoy this show last week to be honest, because I thought the first episode was kinda meh mostly (except for some bits). But this week was really strong throughout. Very excited for next week
Liked this episode a lot more than last week, ball is actually rolling now. Overall though I still would say Im not as into as I was Wandavision, but I still enjoy it. After this episode I would say that I am a lot more "into it" though because now like I said, actually feels like a plot is forming unlike last week.
I'm liking how the show is moving along. The pace is speeding up, and I'm excited for next week.
Glad to see that Bucky and Sam seem to be headed off on their globe-trotting adventure now. I guess that means we won't be seeing Sam's sister or Bucky's therapy sessions for a bit. (They're a nice backdrop to more intimate moments with the characters, but not sure how they can juggle those in when the main quest just started.
My heart broke at the start seeing the cheery interview with fake Cap, cut with Depressed Bucky, alone, on the floor in his apartment. Jeez. To see your friend's whole legacy so unexpectedly given away like that. Someone give this man a hug!
I'm into Walker and Hoskins' friendly relationship. I'm not into Walker's taking up of the shield, no sir. He does not deserve it.
(Also, the costume is pretty cool, but the helmet it weird. When he's normal "John Walker", he's a pretty decent-looking guy, but when he's wearing the helmet he looks so goofy! I guess it's something about the shape.)
I'm a bit iffy on Sam and Bucky's whole uncertain-buddy dynamic. (The writing seems focused way more on silly banter and one-liners between the two), but it might grow on me. I liked Bucky's line "I read the Hobbit in 1937, when it first came out!" and the therapy session between the two at the end.
Wow, so it seems the Flag Smashers have an enemy of their own too, some Power Broker group.
Zemo arrives next week! I'm excited. They seem to be setting him up to kinda help the duo, but I'm a bit skeptical. (Though Zemo turning on them by the end would be pretty cliché.)
@lupinb0y
I wasn't sure if the series would touch on subject matter like this but I'm glad that the end of the previous episode and this proved me wrong.
Yeah, I'm a bit surprised how heavy the MCU is leaning into racial issues like this. The Bank scene and government turncoat in the last episode and this episode's stuff with Isaiah is uncomfortable as all hell (and that's the point), but it's cool to finally see the Film side of the MCU go into issues it's mostly overlooked so far.
Neat details about the comics, thanks.
@4k60fpsHDR
the episode really lost me and I'm not sure if I'll keep watching the series
It's only 6 episodes. If you're so turned off by it, wait 2 weeks, then come back and maybe the plot will get to a spot you're comfortable with. There's a lot of jumping around so far, but I think it'll smooth out soon.
I do feel some of the Sam and Bucky banter could use some work as it is a bit odd. Some works some don't.
For Walker I think they purposely made it so he looks a bit odd with the helmet because he is suppose to sort of feel like a knock off. Also I've seen a weird amount of people thinking Walker will become super generic bad guy but I don't think they'll go that route. His comic origins are a lot deeper than "Bad Captain America." He is basically suppose to be some guy who isn't a bad person, but his value's are not the same Steve Rogers and are by far much more violent and uncaring of long term consequences, just getting the job done. Already he has been given a lot more depth with how they are presenting him, so I think by the end of the series Sam becomes the real New Captain America and Walker becomes US Agent. Then again, it is always possible they do something lame with him like they did Hayward where he starts out seemingly like he can become a really complex character but then they just went "Eh idk hes just ultra bad and shit cuz he is."
I'm liking how the show is moving along. The pace is speeding up, and I'm excited for next week.
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@lupinb0y
I wasn't s… moreure if the series would touch on subject matter like this but I'm glad that the end of the previous episode and this proved me wrong.
Yeah, I'm a bit surprised how heavy the MCU is leaning into racial issues like this. The Bank scene and government turncoat in the last episode and this episode's stuff with Isaiah is uncomfortable as all hell (and that's the point), but it's cool to finally see the Film side of the MCU go into issues it's mostly overlooked so far.
Neat details about the comics, thanks.
@4k60fpsHDR
the episode really lost me and I'm not sure if I'll keep watching the series
It's only 6 episodes. If you're so turned off by it, wait 2 weeks, then come back and maybe the plot will get to a spot you're comfortable with. There's a lot of jumping around so far, but I think it'll smooth out soon.
Really enjoyed the latest episode, though I do think it's the weakest episode so far. Still good but didn't quite hit the highs that the previous episodes had. The episode had a very John Wick-eque vibe to it, the action was great and I was surprised at how violent the episode was despite the overall lighter tone. Lovin' the return of Zemo too. We're already halfway through the show. Looking forward to next week once again!
After looking it up, turns out that the episode was written by Derek Kolstad who wrote all the John Wick movies, which explains certain things.
I love that Zemo tries to re-activate Bucky with the Hydra code. I was thinking to myself just before they scene that it would be great if that happened, and lo and behold!
Zemo has officially become the Baron and we get to see his Sokovian death squad skills in action! I wonder how long this partnership with Zemo is going to last.
While it was a little jarring at first, I like the direction they took with Sharon with her feeling like she's been wronged by the Avengers after everything she did for them. I have a feeling she might be the Powerbroker.
The Madripoor scenes felt like something out of John Wick. Especially the part with the bounties being placed on the gang. Not to mention the scenes in the shipping yard with Sharon kicking ass.
I recognised those metal orbs at the end the instance I saw them! Cool to see the return of Ayo.
This was a pretty good episode. I'd say it's the weakest of the bunch so far, as the plot felt kinda shaky and rough, but it was nice.
I like the return of Zemo and there was some pretty brutal action here. Maybe I'm just used to the mostly-combat-averse WandaVision, but some of that choreography had me wincing in metaphorical pain. The dialogue between Sam and Bucky felt a bit better this time, and I loved the comedy in sneaking into Madripoor.
(And yeah, I agree with Lupin that this episode was very John Wick-ish. I'll get into that in the spoiler tag)
I do find it odd how they're suddenly taking Zemo's "Baron" title seriously. We didn't see any of these fancy clothes or private jets in Civil War. He just seemed like a normal guy whose family died and then wanted revenge on the Avengers.
Boy, the action was intense and pretty well-choreographed. A lot of the episode was also pretty similar in tone and style to the John Wick films (eerily so, and with good reason?)
The main writer, was, yes, Derek Kolstad. He's written all the JW movies and it shows here. We've got an episode all about a dark, neon-lit city. The main characters being hunted by literally everyone in the city (literally the plot of JW3), an ominous bike escort scene (also in JW3), a club scene (a JW staple), and smooth gun-kata and brutal combat.
The episode itself though felt a bit rough. We jumped around a lot. The club scene felt tacked-on, given we went from Sharon's house to the club, then a minute and a half later we're back out again for some reason. (we did get dancing Zemo tho, and idk if I think that's hilarious or freaky lol).
I am really mad at Marvel for backing away from making a Gray villain. The Flag Smashers so far have been pretty tame on the villainy scale. Would have been cool. But then they had to make Karli some "they got in our way/we need to send a message in blood" kind of villain. Damn it! They (and she) were a really interesting antagonist.
That end bit with Walker saying "we have to go off-the-books is a bit interesting. It doesn't seem like him to go behind his employer's back like that. (John Walker: Civil War inbound? )
Also ooooh Wakanda is getting into the mix of this show. Cool.
Gotta say I wish this series was a bit more interesting. I forgot the episode even came out this week. Now half way through it feels just kind of clunky. Not bad, not great, but I don't really want to say its good either. Really just decent entertainment. Kinda getting vibes this is going to end up on the low-tier end of Marvel stuff where after its done its pretty forgettable.
Honestly kind of crazy this was going to be the first show. I feel WandaVision was probably the best way to introduce MCU TV seeing how that show is literally about TV. This, not so much.
Still looking forward to see what happens next, but half way through and I feel like its missing a real hook. (Wish they were focusing more on the New Cap and Battlestar vs Sam and Bucky as I felt their rivalry in ep 2 was the more interesting part of the show. Looks like Ep 4 will probably give us more of that and I hope they do as I feel their rivially is a much better foil than the Flagsmashers they dont really interact with, with their leader who entered the generic baddie zone.)
Remember when Marvel made the 'Final Trailer' for Black Widow?
As for this new one... Yep, that's definitely a Marvel movie. (they really love that skydiving scene, don't they?)
Now we have to wait till July 9. If we're not careful, the editing team is gonna run out of footage for the trailers.
Remember when Marvel made the 'Final Trailer' for Black Widow?
As for this new one... Yep, that's definitely a Marvel movie. (they re… moreally love that skydiving scene, don't they?)
Now we have to wait till July 9. If we're not careful, the editing team is gonna run out of footage for the trailers.
The Russian avengers chorus is nice.
Don't worry about that, I'm sure plenty of Marvel Music Remix channels are scrambling to put out their own version of "Soviet Avengers Theme - EPIC Orchestral Version [1 Hour]", very, very soon...
Looks like it'll be a fun time! I wonder if any of the Avengers actors will be appearing in this as alternate reality versions of their characters. Also that really looks like Natasha in 2:06 sitting with Loki.
Now this looks like it'll be a return to fun, very interesting plots for Marvel TV.
So far, the Falcon and Winter Soldier has felt more like the usual Marvel action film split into 6 parts.
It doesn't take advantage of the TV format as well as it could.
There's no nail-biting cliffhangers
No episode focusing on side-characters that tie into the main plot at a future point.
No bottle episode
Granted, we're only halfway through, but with only 3 episodes left, I don't see much of that happening.
Loki looks like another weird, interesting look into the Marvel-verse.
Already, seeing Owen Wilson being a key player is flippin' mental, hehe.
Okay, after further re-watches of that trailer, I'm so on board with that Loki theme song. It's frantic and unsettling, really different from what we've recently heard from WandaVision, TF&WS or even Black Widow.
Trailer for the Loki series is out!
Looks like it'll be a fun time! I wonder if any of the Avengers actors will be appearing in this … moreas alternate reality versions of their characters. Also that really looks like Natasha in 2:06 sitting with Loki.
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I'm honestly kind of getting emotional, re-listening to the tracks from Episode 7.
I'm really going to miss this show. It's so freakin' neat.
Christophe Beck had to make some weird music for that last sitcom ep. From spooky hijinks music to a hopeful drug ad to an amazing superhero theme. That episode had everything.
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I don't think that's an edited thumbnail. Think of it: If that was the thumbnail, why would they digitally remove something from it if that was going to appear in the episode anyway? Why not choose a different, less-spoilery frame in the episode that doesn't need editing?
In fact, that's already a pretty spoilery thumbnail, considering the kids are alright, from the looks of it. Weird decision from Disney, if I do say so...
Guess it all kind of depends, in all honesty it probably isnt edited in anyway. But Disney did give us that really spoiler-filled trailer before so its not like it isnt something they've done before, and making a spoiler-y image less spoiler-y but still a spoiler seems to fit their marketing lol
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of nerds suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
WandaVision is officially over!
Not the most perfect finale but I really enjoyed the episode! Got some really cool moments, more great dialogue from Vision, as well as a whole heaping of emotional ones that actually had me tearing up. Of course I can't praise Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany enough for their performances. Absolutely loved the series overall and am sad to see it go, but a thing isn't beautiful because it lasts! Thankfully, Falcon and The Winter Soldier will be out in just two weeks to fill the MCU void in my chest!
Big spoilery thoughts below
I love that the double Vision conflict ended with a philisophical argument between the two on who is the real Vision.
It's also pretty hilarious to me that a bunch of fan theories ended up not coming through lmao. No Fan4stic cameo, no Quicksilver, no Mephisto, etc. GGnore. Thankfully I didn't buy too into all the fan theories and just watched the show lol.
Seeing the bullets phase through Monica was really cool looking. She's really got quite an arsenal doesn't she?
The Scarlet Witch outfit looks so fuckin' sick, I love it!
Fun fact, the Darkhold also appears in season 4 of Agents of Shield but it looks completely different, so that about confirms the canonicity of AoS. RIP.
Wanda and Vision's goodbye had me tearing up man. Goddamn, Wanda cannot catch a break! Fuck me, Vision really does keep getting the best lines doesn't he?
I really like that less than a handful of people absolved Wanda for what she did to Westview. The citizens are absolutely terrified of her/hate her by the end.
With Agatha still alive by the end, I wonder if she'll pop up in Multiverse of Madness.
The same goes for White Vision. He's still around so looks like Paul Bettany gets to keep his job! I wonder when he'll pop up next.
Looks like the mid-credits scene is a direct lead up to Captain Marvel 2 with the Skrull lady asking her to go to space.
With the after-credits scene it looks like Wanda is doing that astral projecting thing that Strange did in his movie in order to study the Darkhold. It also seems like she's taking a peek into the multiverse and Doctor Strange 2 will be dealing with Wanda looking to bring her children back.
Just a warning, there is both a mid-credit and after-credits scene.
I don't think a cover of a book is enough to uncanonize the show just yet. Last we saw it Ghost Rider took it to Hell, and well there it could've transformed into "the real deal". Others suggest that there are several copies of the darkhold but I'm not so sure about that.
Kevin Feige actually mentioned agents of shield pretty much the first time since it released recently. The man easily could've said it isn't canon anymore, but instead he defended the shows (also talking about the Netflix shows), and especially their fanbase. In the end, AoS is some of the highest rated and best received content Marvel has put out. I hope it's still canon because it truly is a fantastic show.
I do hope that it does end up being canon. They could probably come up with some kind of explanation like the book constantly changing form or something. Though I think it's more likely that the show will be canon to the multiverse rather than the main universe since AoS has a lot to unpack with the Inhumans and whatnot. I have heard some... things regarding casting which could be exciting if they turn out to be true.
YouTube has been quite the minefield today. Got 2 spoilers glued to my eyes.
My 9pm family watch party can't come soon enough.
Well I watched it and it was overall pretty good, but I would def say it left me with some disappointment.
There was a few beats I found really weird. One was def the part where the town is angry at Wanda, but Wanda's response has nothing to do with how she didn't meant to do it but instead starts saying she's protecting them? Bit weird. I felt it was kind of investable Evan Peter's Quicksilver wasn't going to be any kind of multiverse stuff but I'm also a bit lost on how he had Quicksilver's powers seeing how Agatha doesn't seem to be capable of giving people powers.
I also felt it was pointless to make Hayward a bad guy. Plot easily could've progressed just the same with him remaking Vision to free the people of Westview as he thinks Wanda is evil and give him some characterization to explain his chip on the shoulder about super heroes, instead of "I am bad guy who who is bad." I mean dude then goes "We're going into the Hex!" And then gets stopped in a car crash and that's the end of him. I guess his only actual purpose was to cause drama for people outside the hex.
Anyway, skipping way a head, the ending I felt wasn't as emotional as it was going for simply because we know White Vision has the original Vision's memories now, so there goes Vision again but now we know this other Vision actually knows of the real world and the life he had with Wanda so its hard to imagine Vision and Wanda don't get their happy ending one day.
But now I do really want to say this though. I'm not someone who makes fan theories and if they don't come true I am going to get mad and say something is bad. Some of the stuff people were saying was honestly insane like Ian McKellen was coming back as Magneto because Marvel wants to contract an 81 year old man to play a major character in the MCU for years, right? Like would it have been some bat shit crazy cool thing? Yeah, but if you actually thought it was happening I have no idea what to tell you. Now all that said, I am not a big fan of how a lot of the cast of this show would say X thing and then X thing was not comparable at all. The Skrull (Talos' wife I think?) telling Monica to go hang out with Nick Fury in space is not even remotely comparable to The Mandalorian finale cameo. Paul Bentley saying the final episode has some big secret actor in the show but it was actually himself does not help either. Monica's actress still saying the space engineer's identify is important when it wasn't, why even say it. Like was Richard's showing up likely? No, but the way it was all portrayed really seemed like it should've been someone we'd seen before. Anyway this is becoming more of a rant but basically just trying to say I found that to be pretty silly, as it became less about what the show was actually showing viewers and more so the cast feeding these ideas seemingly knowing how exaggerated it was. Anyway rant thing over.
Overall I think this was a really solid series, but I do wish the ending was a bit more "conclusive" if that makes sense to anyone. But this was a really good episode as a whole. I'm mostly just nitpicking the series as a whole here. Anyway, I'd give the entire series a solid 8/10, yes even after my annoying rant about the last episode.
But most importantly:
Justice for my fucking boy Agent Franklin, that dude is literally still stuck in those tunnels or some shit please save my boy everyone forgot about him what the fuck
Clearly he's Mephisto. He just went back to Hell or something.
This was a very nice final episode for WandaVision.
There was a lot of great action, tension and some surprise twists.
The ending left me feeling (mostly) satisfied with how it's been wrapped up and it was a pretty emotional, near-tear-jerking ribbon to tie up the series.
Though, like others, I do wish it had a bit more finality to it. It feels like the real resolution to the conflict was cut short in the end.
Overall, this was a really fun, creative show. Hopefully Falcon and Winter Soldier isn't too packed with action since I think I need to ease myself into the Marvel action realm (or they need better framing/choreography). That final battle went on a bit too long, IMO. (Also hopefully they have episodes longer than 25 minutes.)
Thanks for coming.
This was fun. Props to Matt Shakman, Jac Schaeffer, Elisabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany for their awesome acting chops and the rest of the team at Marvel.
Edit: oops. Forgot a spoiler tag. 😬
Also I gotta say I am a bit disappointed that Evan Peters isn't going to continue being Quicksilver in the MCU. I said way back when that I thought it would turn into a fake out, but now that the show is over and its confirmed he is a random dude, I am pretty bummed that means he won't be Quicksilver in the MCU. Obviously the real quicksilver is dead and all that, but I always felt Quicksilver in Ultron both character and actor choice wasn't the best. Evan Peters was one of Fox X-Men that not only was a highlight of the even crappy X-Men movies, but the persona he brought with Quicksilver was way better than the MCU's, so a part of me was hoping they wanted to reintroduce Quicksilver back into the MCU in someway using Evan Peters, but now I dont realistically see that happening. Which kinda sucks.
That is a good point. I was worried he'd turn out to be some random Joe Schmoe that Agatha was mind-controlling, and unfortunately that's true. Considering this show's ending is so bleak for Wanda, I don't think it would have been fitting with the theme to have one of her family members -- whether of this universe or not -- survive. I'd be lying if I didn't say I'll miss him though. He had a lot of charisma as Quicksilver
What an amazing finale! I don't think I've been as excited for a series as I was for Wandavison.
There were some really really emotional parts, and I loved that Vision and White Vision were just talking it out. It felt pretty suiting for the character. The death of the Billy and Tommy, and Vision was very sad. And the appearance of a more comic accurate costume was a pretty neat addition since we did get a cheaper one as a gag. It's cool to see a legit one. Kind of disappointed that it wasn't really Pietro and just Agatha's husband. But, it makes sense. Overall, this was a really exciting series and I enjoyed it. Totally can't wait for Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
I love how after a Marvel film is out for like 2 weeks and now after a Marvel show finished, the marketing is just filled with spoilers as the narrator just tells you how much of a fucking loser you are if you haven't seen it yet lmfao
Lol I'm pretty sure they always give you until Monday to be all caught up. After that deadline, it's just spoilery promo after spoilery promo.
They've been doing this for every episode. The marketing department has no chill jeez.
By the way, can we talk about how supremely silly it is that Monica tried to give Wanda a pass for the whole Westview incident? I mean c'mon!
"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them". What?? She was holding people hostage, forcing them to experience her grief through the veil of a perfect life! This all happened because of what she created! Yes, it's sad, but that doesn't make it excusable. I'm so confused why the resident's issues are being glossed over like that.
There's a week break until the Falcon show, but there's still a bit of new Marvel content this Friday.
The Making-of special is now out and it is 57 minutes long. Consider me surprised.
Creativity should not be squandered.
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Final trailer for The Falcon and The Winter Soldier is out!
The shot of Sam at the Captain America exhibit and him giving a heartfelt speech makes me believe that the series will start with Steve's funeral. I'm gonna feel the big sad if it is since he's my favourite character in the MCU lol.
Very excited for Friday!
Just finished episode 1 of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier!
I thought it was really damn good. It's also a lot darker than I thought it'd be. It feels very much like Captain America: The Winter Soldier in terms of tone and action and it does a good job of expanding on Sam and Bucky as characters. This might actually be the best CGI action I've seen on a tv show. I'm really excited to see where this is headed.
Yoooo being an Avenger sucks ass. You save the world time and time again but you don't get paid?
Also hot damn did the government do Sam dirty. As soon as he gave the shield to them they turn around and give it to some white dude.
Overall it was pretty good but I dont think I will find it as engaging as WandaVision. Sam's family fishing boat adventures feel a bit out of place though, but I do think it is a good window to help show off how the blip is effecting regular people in the MCU. I did really like how the blip lead to things such as not being able to take a loan because your records say you made 0 income the last 5 years even though you didn't actually exist anymore in that time frame. Obviously that won't happen in the real world, but honestly if a "blip" did happen shit like that is exactly the type of treatment I would expect to happen to many people.
Oh and also The Cheadle in the house lets fucking GOOOOO
Got around to seeing Episode 1 tonight. I'm very interested in how this show is going to play out, given all the plot threads being juggled already. (though we do only have 6 episodes to deal with this time...)
Also... damn it, America! You had to go behind Sam's (and Steve's) back like that?! (Though, duh, of course they would
me next year watching Tales from the Borderlands 2 announced by Gearbox with not a single person from the original creative team
The Black Widow release date got shifted yet again!
Disney is finally giving in to quarantine and pushing it to Disney+. Other films have been shifted around too.
Thinkin about how Shang Chi still has gotten 0 promo.
Im guessing now that they caved and went Disney plus they'll get back on track marketing wise, which funny enough means its probs just gonna be a dump of Marvel trailers every few weeks between TV Shows and movies.
Just finished episode 2. While it's a bit more lighthearted compared to the first episode, it definitely still has its darker moments, and is still really enjoyable just the same!
Loved the return of the Star Spangled Man With a Plan theme song!
Isaiah Bradley, who I immediately looked up after the end of the episode, makes his appearance! In the comics he was known as the first black Captain America and he has a similar backstory to the one given here, though it was WW2 instead of the Korean War.
Seems like his grandson is also the Patriot! A Young Avenger who was inspired by Captain America. This one I actually knew.
Of course Zemo appears at the end and it looks like he'll be giving our couple here a hand in defeating the Flag Smashers. I wonder if he'll turn on them by the end of the series or if he'll be an anti-hero of some kind, which would be a big departure from his comic book persona.
We also got that good old fashioned racism, with Sam being racially profiled by a cop and Isaiah's story of being forcefully imprisoned and experimented on by the US government. I wasn't sure if the series would touch on subject matter like this but I'm glad that the end of the previous episode and this proved me wrong.
I was actually kinda liking John Walker at the start, but by the end with how he speaks to Sam and Bucky, and how he carries himself, it's obvious that he doesn't deserve the shield. I hope Sam and Bucky just steal it from him lmao.
Oh yeah, these things come out at like 2pm for you, don't they? I'm jealous.
Around 6-7pm actually, but yeah I get it at a more reasonable time than the US and Canada
Even better for some late-night popcorn entertainment. Cool
Way better than last week. Wasn't sure I would enjoy this show last week to be honest, because I thought the first episode was kinda meh mostly (except for some bits). But this week was really strong throughout. Very excited for next week
Liked this episode a lot more than last week, ball is actually rolling now. Overall though I still would say Im not as into as I was Wandavision, but I still enjoy it. After this episode I would say that I am a lot more "into it" though because now like I said, actually feels like a plot is forming unlike last week.
I'm liking how the show is moving along. The pace is speeding up, and I'm excited for next week.
I'm into Walker and Hoskins' friendly relationship. I'm not into Walker's taking up of the shield, no sir. He does not deserve it.
(Also, the costume is pretty cool, but the helmet it weird. When he's normal "John Walker", he's a pretty decent-looking guy, but when he's wearing the helmet he looks so goofy! I guess it's something about the shape.)
I'm a bit iffy on Sam and Bucky's whole uncertain-buddy dynamic. (The writing seems focused way more on silly banter and one-liners between the two), but it might grow on me. I liked Bucky's line "I read the Hobbit in 1937, when it first came out!" and the therapy session between the two at the end.
Yeah, I'm a bit surprised how heavy the MCU is leaning into racial issues like this. The Bank scene and government turncoat in the last episode and this episode's stuff with Isaiah is uncomfortable as all hell (and that's the point), but it's cool to finally see the Film side of the MCU go into issues it's mostly overlooked so far.
Neat details about the comics, thanks.
It's only 6 episodes. If you're so turned off by it, wait 2 weeks, then come back and maybe the plot will get to a spot you're comfortable with. There's a lot of jumping around so far, but I think it'll smooth out soon.
I do feel some of the Sam and Bucky banter could use some work as it is a bit odd. Some works some don't.
For Walker I think they purposely made it so he looks a bit odd with the helmet because he is suppose to sort of feel like a knock off. Also I've seen a weird amount of people thinking Walker will become super generic bad guy but I don't think they'll go that route. His comic origins are a lot deeper than "Bad Captain America." He is basically suppose to be some guy who isn't a bad person, but his value's are not the same Steve Rogers and are by far much more violent and uncaring of long term consequences, just getting the job done. Already he has been given a lot more depth with how they are presenting him, so I think by the end of the series Sam becomes the real New Captain America and Walker becomes US Agent. Then again, it is always possible they do something lame with him like they did Hayward where he starts out seemingly like he can become a really complex character but then they just went "Eh idk hes just ultra bad and shit cuz he is."
Really enjoyed the latest episode, though I do think it's the weakest episode so far. Still good but didn't quite hit the highs that the previous episodes had. The episode had a very John Wick-eque vibe to it, the action was great and I was surprised at how violent the episode was despite the overall lighter tone. Lovin' the return of Zemo too. We're already halfway through the show. Looking forward to next week once again!
After looking it up, turns out that the episode was written by Derek Kolstad who wrote all the John Wick movies, which explains certain things.
I love that Zemo tries to re-activate Bucky with the Hydra code. I was thinking to myself just before they scene that it would be great if that happened, and lo and behold!
Zemo has officially become the Baron and we get to see his Sokovian death squad skills in action! I wonder how long this partnership with Zemo is going to last.
While it was a little jarring at first, I like the direction they took with Sharon with her feeling like she's been wronged by the Avengers after everything she did for them. I have a feeling she might be the Powerbroker.
The Madripoor scenes felt like something out of John Wick. Especially the part with the bounties being placed on the gang. Not to mention the scenes in the shipping yard with Sharon kicking ass.
I recognised those metal orbs at the end the instance I saw them! Cool to see the return of Ayo.
This was a pretty good episode. I'd say it's the weakest of the bunch so far, as the plot felt kinda shaky and rough, but it was nice.
I like the return of Zemo and there was some pretty brutal action here. Maybe I'm just used to the mostly-combat-averse WandaVision, but some of that choreography had me wincing in metaphorical pain. The dialogue between Sam and Bucky felt a bit better this time, and I loved the comedy in sneaking into Madripoor.
(And yeah, I agree with Lupin that this episode was very John Wick-ish. I'll get into that in the spoiler tag)
Also ooooh Wakanda is getting into the mix of this show. Cool.
Gotta say I wish this series was a bit more interesting. I forgot the episode even came out this week. Now half way through it feels just kind of clunky. Not bad, not great, but I don't really want to say its good either. Really just decent entertainment. Kinda getting vibes this is going to end up on the low-tier end of Marvel stuff where after its done its pretty forgettable.
Honestly kind of crazy this was going to be the first show. I feel WandaVision was probably the best way to introduce MCU TV seeing how that show is literally about TV. This, not so much.
Still looking forward to see what happens next, but half way through and I feel like its missing a real hook. (Wish they were focusing more on the New Cap and Battlestar vs Sam and Bucky as I felt their rivalry in ep 2 was the more interesting part of the show. Looks like Ep 4 will probably give us more of that and I hope they do as I feel their rivially is a much better foil than the Flagsmashers they dont really interact with, with their leader who entered the generic baddie zone.)
Remember when Marvel made the 'Final Trailer' for Black Widow?
As for this new one... Yep, that's definitely a Marvel movie. (they really love that skydiving scene, don't they?)
Now we have to wait till July 9. If we're not careful, the editing team is gonna run out of footage for the trailers.
The Russian avengers chorus is nice.
I want a full track of the soviet Avengers theme.
Don't worry about that, I'm sure plenty of Marvel Music Remix channels are scrambling to put out their own version of "Soviet Avengers Theme - EPIC Orchestral Version [1 Hour]", very, very soon...
Trailer for the Loki series is out!
Looks like it'll be a fun time! I wonder if any of the Avengers actors will be appearing in this as alternate reality versions of their characters. Also that really looks like Natasha in 2:06 sitting with Loki.
Now this looks like it'll be a return to fun, very interesting plots for Marvel TV.
So far, the Falcon and Winter Soldier has felt more like the usual Marvel action film split into 6 parts.
It doesn't take advantage of the TV format as well as it could.
Granted, we're only halfway through, but with only 3 episodes left, I don't see much of that happening.
Loki looks like another weird, interesting look into the Marvel-verse.
Already, seeing Owen Wilson being a key player is flippin' mental, hehe.
Okay, after further re-watches of that trailer, I'm so on board with that Loki theme song. It's frantic and unsettling, really different from what we've recently heard from WandaVision, TF&WS or even Black Widow.