And with the little star in the center of his armor , that represents his patriotism to the loyal and honorable whitehill .Loyal to the one true king Joffrey Baratheon and serving the benevolent folks from house Bolton .Such a shame he died ! It's outrageous !
He did some shitty things, yes. But the Forresters were his enemies and nothing he did was terribly evil. He's served the Whitehills for some time now and both Ludd and Ortengryn imply there was a recent Forrester-Whitehill conflict started by Thorren the Bold leading to the bankruptcy and ruin of House Whitehill. Harys is an older character and his presence implies he's been in Ludd's service for some time (he has expensive plate armour with Whitehill decorations and rides alongside Ludd and Gryff, and he's trusted to lead the siege while Ludd and Gryff are in camp) so it's likely he has animosity towards the Forresters due to Thorren's War.
TL;DR: Thorren the Bold caused Ludd and Hary's animosity towards the Forresters and he's done nothing particularly evil (dick-ish, yes absolutely). The Forresters are his enemies and he treated them as such. You don't get a title like Thorren the Bold by getting along peacefully with your neighbors.
And with the little star in the center of his armor , that represents his patriotism to the loyal and honorable whitehill .Loyal to the one… more true king Joffrey Baratheon and serving the benevolent folks from house Bolton .Such a shame he died ! It's outrageous !
The Beast was there to cause him and his fellow brave soldiers harm, that's not even mentioning that the Beast and other pitfighters were bl… moreood-thirsty murderers who needed to be put down for the good of Westeros. Elissa attacked first as he was bravely and honourably carrying out his lawful duties.
Harys is a goddamn hero.
I personally loved that he was the only person in the series to wear decent armour
I swung at him all day with the forrester great sword and he was just lol you achieve nothing, stabbed through my armour in one thrust and basically killed me.
That is why we wear armour. Asher has an excuse because he came from a dinner party (still could've pulled a Roose and worn mail under it though)
Rodrik's armour was so terrible it's embarrassing.
To be honest, I admit that when I charged at Ludd and clicked the QTE I was laughing madly and ready to finish this thing, then when Harys reared up out of nowhere I almost missed the QTEs I was so shocked. Very well played.
I'm still surprised that a minor Whitehill goon character landed such damage on two POV characters. TBH I feel like he was put in to give us a good fight because Gryff's a fucking weed and Ludd's a fat piece o' shit.
I'm still surprised that a minor Whitehill goon character landed such damage on two POV characters. TBH I feel like he was put in to give us a good fight because Gryff's a fucking weed and Ludd's a fat piece o' shit.
Right? It was weird seeing Gregor and Rodrik wearing their crap leather armour instead of chainmail, plate, scale, or really anything that isn't just leather. Especially when it's implied they are very wealthy from the Ironwood trade. I liked that someone actually put some to use
Yes, and No.
He did some shitty things, yes. But the Forresters were his enemies and nothing he did was terribly evil. He's served the Wh… moreitehills for some time now and both Ludd and Ortengryn imply there was a recent Forrester-Whitehill conflict started by Thorren the Bold leading to the bankruptcy and ruin of House Whitehill. Harys is an older character and his presence implies he's been in Ludd's service for some time (he has expensive plate armour with Whitehill decorations and rides alongside Ludd and Gryff, and he's trusted to lead the siege while Ludd and Gryff are in camp) so it's likely he has animosity towards the Forresters due to Thorren's War.
TL;DR: Thorren the Bold caused Ludd and Hary's animosity towards the Forresters and he's done nothing particularly evil (dick-ish, yes absolutely). The Forresters are his enemies and he treated them as such. You don't get a title like Thorren the Bold by getting along peacefully with your neighbors.
Woah, I don't joke about the deaths of brave and honourable heroes. Harys should be praised for his loyalty and courage. His honour cost him his life; he payed the ultimate price in his attempt to bring peace and justice to the North.
I'm still surprised that a minor Whitehill goon character landed such damage on two POV characters. TBH I feel like he was put in to give us a good fight because Gryff's a fucking weed and Ludd's a fat piece o' shit.
Y'know.... as much as people joke about Harys not being bad and fighting for his family etc - they're probably not wrong to be honest. Like Gryff says in whichever episode it is, the forresters used to look down on the whitehills, Rodrik especially, something which was only recently changed in the whitehill's favour. Turn the in-game clock, (so to speak), backwards fifty years or so and we might have the same story but with the whitehills as the plucky underdogs instead of the forresters...
and besides, there is now no one who can defeat Alduin. So thanks for that Rodrik/Asher.
You bring up a good point as Harys does seem more loyal than your average sellsword or thug as he willingly risked his life for Gryff/Ludd . Maybe he was a victim of The Forresters' bigotry
Y'know.... as much as people joke about Harys not being bad and fighting for his family etc - they're probably not wrong to be honest. Like … moreGryff says in whichever episode it is, the forresters used to look down on the whitehills, Rodrik especially, something which was only recently changed in the whitehill's favour. Turn the in-game clock, (so to speak), backwards fifty years or so and we might have the same story but with the whitehills as the plucky underdogs instead of the forresters...
and besides, there is now no one who can defeat Alduin. So thanks for that Rodrik/Asher.
I was kind of disappointed by gryff's fighting style to be honest - moreso in ashers story. He seemed too disciplined when I was hoping he'd just swing wildly like a beserker.
We definitely dont know the whole story - who knows? Harys may well have been a Ryon/Gared position 30 years or so ago, more than enough reason to hate the forresters.
You bring up a good point as Harys does seem more loyal than your average sellsword or thug as he willingly risked his life for Gryff/Ludd . Maybe he was a victim of The Forresters' bigotry
Agreed. I absolutley hate Harys' guts, but I can only see it from the Forrester perspective of things. Harys serves their sworn enemies, so obviously he won't be all sunshine and flowers towards the Forresters. And it's not like the Forresters were completely innocent either.
My guess is that the Houses were working together hand in hand once, but the Whitehills became less and less important to the Forresters because their skill was just no match to them, so House Forrester decided to get rid of them. I don't think that Ludd was only exaggerating when he said that House Forrester wasn't exactly friendly towards House Whitehill. They even seem to have been at war only some years prior to Robert's Rebellion, as Gregor's father Torrhen took back a river valley then. Remember, he could have been a right prick and we wouldn't know. Someone who only knows Tommen might think highly of his brother aswell, since Tommen is so kind. Of course this is not true, Joffrey was a monster, and it is foolish to assume that all Forresters ever were as nice as Gregor. The title Torrhen the Bold doesn't exactly speak in favor of the Forresters either.
In the end, Harys just served his lord. He only got super violent after, mind you, the Forresters betrayed them (in Asher's story). Maybe he also lost some folks to a prior Lord Forrester, who knows? All I know is that both Houses definitley don't have clean wests in this. We only relate to the Forresters more because we play as them, and the Whitehills are villainised for the sake of the plot.
Yes, and No.
He did some shitty things, yes. But the Forresters were his enemies and nothing he did was terribly evil. He's served the Wh… moreitehills for some time now and both Ludd and Ortengryn imply there was a recent Forrester-Whitehill conflict started by Thorren the Bold leading to the bankruptcy and ruin of House Whitehill. Harys is an older character and his presence implies he's been in Ludd's service for some time (he has expensive plate armour with Whitehill decorations and rides alongside Ludd and Gryff, and he's trusted to lead the siege while Ludd and Gryff are in camp) so it's likely he has animosity towards the Forresters due to Thorren's War.
TL;DR: Thorren the Bold caused Ludd and Hary's animosity towards the Forresters and he's done nothing particularly evil (dick-ish, yes absolutely). The Forresters are his enemies and he treated them as such. You don't get a title like Thorren the Bold by getting along peacefully with your neighbors.
Yeah that did surprise me.
I was kind of disappointed by gryff's fighting style to be honest - moreso in ashers story. He seemed too disciplined when I was hoping he'd just swing wildly like a beserker.
Yeah, kind of. In Asher's plotline he dies making sure, that his father can escape (unless you poison him). In Rodrik's he fights for his house until the end, yes, he cries and begs then, but I don't see anything wrong in that. For me he is a hero, same as Harys, who died protecting either Ludd or Gryff.
It was weird seeing Gryff get rekt by Rodrik in seconds then begging for mercy, but then in Asher's playthrough he holds his own in a prolonged fight and dies defiantly.
Yeah that did surprise me.
I was kind of disappointed by gryff's fighting style to be honest - moreso in ashers story. He seemed too disciplined when I was hoping he'd just swing wildly like a beserker.
Yes. It'd probably be a major tear-jerker though, because of the intense heroism and courage it would contain. It would be sad playing it because we'd see the heroic and kind actions of Harys while we know of his tragic fate.
Harys served to house that was loyal to King Tommen the Usurper.
Everyone who doesnt stand with one true king of Westeros is an enemy and he deserves death.
It would be wise to bend your knee to me, Stannis Baratheon, the one true king.
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I hope so.
And with the little star in the center of his armor , that represents his patriotism to the loyal and honorable whitehill .Loyal to the one true king Joffrey Baratheon and serving the benevolent folks from house Bolton .Such a shame he died ! It's outrageous !
What's wrong with Argonians? I should've expected such a racist statement from a Nord!
Yes, and No.
He did some shitty things, yes. But the Forresters were his enemies and nothing he did was terribly evil. He's served the Whitehills for some time now and both Ludd and Ortengryn imply there was a recent Forrester-Whitehill conflict started by Thorren the Bold leading to the bankruptcy and ruin of House Whitehill. Harys is an older character and his presence implies he's been in Ludd's service for some time (he has expensive plate armour with Whitehill decorations and rides alongside Ludd and Gryff, and he's trusted to lead the siege while Ludd and Gryff are in camp) so it's likely he has animosity towards the Forresters due to Thorren's War.
TL;DR: Thorren the Bold caused Ludd and Hary's animosity towards the Forresters and he's done nothing particularly evil (dick-ish, yes absolutely). The Forresters are his enemies and he treated them as such. You don't get a title like Thorren the Bold by getting along peacefully with your neighbors.
It's good to see more people with such wisdom! It takes wise people to see and appreciate Harys loyalty and honour.
Harys wearing that helmet was moment I swore that I would kill him no questions asked. Nobody that scummy can wear my Dragonborn Helmet and live.
I personally loved that he was the only person in the series to wear decent armour
I swung at him all day with the forrester great sword and he was just lol you achieve nothing, stabbed through my armour in one thrust and basically killed me.
That is why we wear armour. Asher has an excuse because he came from a dinner party (still could've pulled a Roose and worn mail under it though)
Rodrik's armour was so terrible it's embarrassing.
To be honest, I admit that when I charged at Ludd and clicked the QTE I was laughing madly and ready to finish this thing, then when Harys reared up out of nowhere I almost missed the QTEs I was so shocked. Very well played.
I'm still surprised that a minor Whitehill goon character landed such damage on two POV characters. TBH I feel like he was put in to give us a good fight because Gryff's a fucking weed and Ludd's a fat piece o' shit.
And Gwyn is a backstabbing bitch (literally).
Right? It was weird seeing Gregor and Rodrik wearing their crap leather armour instead of chainmail, plate, scale, or really anything that isn't just leather. Especially when it's implied they are very wealthy from the Ironwood trade. I liked that someone actually put some to use
All Argonians are racist and evil!
My Dragonborn was a vicious murderer and the most evil scum in Tamriel.
Yeah! Fuck Gwyn!
Dude, Nords crush every other race.
Good points.
Woah, I don't joke about the deaths of brave and honourable heroes. Harys should be praised for his loyalty and courage. His honour cost him his life; he payed the ultimate price in his attempt to bring peace and justice to the North.
For being as old and out of shape as he is, Ludd put up a surprisingly good fight. I was surprised to find out he fought with a greatsword.
Y'know.... as much as people joke about Harys not being bad and fighting for his family etc - they're probably not wrong to be honest. Like Gryff says in whichever episode it is, the forresters used to look down on the whitehills, Rodrik especially, something which was only recently changed in the whitehill's favour. Turn the in-game clock, (so to speak), backwards fifty years or so and we might have the same story but with the whitehills as the plucky underdogs instead of the forresters...
and besides, there is now no one who can defeat Alduin. So thanks for that Rodrik/Asher.
You bring up a good point as Harys does seem more loyal than your average sellsword or thug as he willingly risked his life for Gryff/Ludd . Maybe he was a victim of The Forresters' bigotry
Yeah that did surprise me.
I was kind of disappointed by gryff's fighting style to be honest - moreso in ashers story. He seemed too disciplined when I was hoping he'd just swing wildly like a beserker.
We definitely dont know the whole story - who knows? Harys may well have been a Ryon/Gared position 30 years or so ago, more than enough reason to hate the forresters.
So, is Gryff a hero too?
Harys served to house that was loyal to King Tommen the Usurper.
Everyone who doesnt stand with one true king of Westeros is an enemy and he deserves death.
It would be wise to bend your knee to me, Stannis Baratheon, the one true king.
Reminds me of that Turian in Mass Effect 2:
"You humans are all racist!"
Agreed. I absolutley hate Harys' guts, but I can only see it from the Forrester perspective of things. Harys serves their sworn enemies, so obviously he won't be all sunshine and flowers towards the Forresters. And it's not like the Forresters were completely innocent either.
My guess is that the Houses were working together hand in hand once, but the Whitehills became less and less important to the Forresters because their skill was just no match to them, so House Forrester decided to get rid of them. I don't think that Ludd was only exaggerating when he said that House Forrester wasn't exactly friendly towards House Whitehill. They even seem to have been at war only some years prior to Robert's Rebellion, as Gregor's father Torrhen took back a river valley then. Remember, he could have been a right prick and we wouldn't know. Someone who only knows Tommen might think highly of his brother aswell, since Tommen is so kind. Of course this is not true, Joffrey was a monster, and it is foolish to assume that all Forresters ever were as nice as Gregor. The title Torrhen the Bold doesn't exactly speak in favor of the Forresters either.
In the end, Harys just served his lord. He only got super violent after, mind you, the Forresters betrayed them (in Asher's story). Maybe he also lost some folks to a prior Lord Forrester, who knows? All I know is that both Houses definitley don't have clean wests in this. We only relate to the Forresters more because we play as them, and the Whitehills are villainised for the sake of the plot.
Gryff was a prick, but nothing ever indicated that he was a bad fighter.
There aren't many good guys in Game of Thrones, but if I had to pick one, Harys would be it.
There should be a DLC that's all about the trials of Harys.
Yeah, kind of. In Asher's plotline he dies making sure, that his father can escape (unless you poison him). In Rodrik's he fights for his house until the end, yes, he cries and begs then, but I don't see anything wrong in that. For me he is a hero, same as Harys, who died protecting either Ludd or Gryff.
Exactly
I dunno... I mean, it will end the same way regardless of our choices...
PERFECT!
Beautiful as always
Yes. He just did his job. The Forresters were his enemies and he treated them as such.
It was weird seeing Gryff get rekt by Rodrik in seconds then begging for mercy, but then in Asher's playthrough he holds his own in a prolonged fight and dies defiantly.
Yes. It'd probably be a major tear-jerker though, because of the intense heroism and courage it would contain. It would be sad playing it because we'd see the heroic and kind actions of Harys while we know of his tragic fate.
Everybody hates you now (in the show) cause you burned your daughter but I still love you!
She said herself that she wanted to help my just cause. I did what I had to do in order to save the kingdom.
With the Dragonborn gone, who will face off Daenerys' dragons when she comes for Westeros?
Who will prevail against the army of Draugrs marching from beyond the Wall?
The wicked Forresters have doomed the world.