You're confused, my liege, some semi competent writers did that. You told Justin Massey to fight for her if you died. I would bend the knee to you, just liberate Ironrath along with Deepwood Motte, and the Forrester allegiance is yours!
Except... that isn't true in the slightest. Ramsay doesn't usually directly lie or give blatantly false information (he did to Theon, but that was for psychological torture)
He told Cersei because he wanted the children to be safe and not die like the Targaryens. Littlefinger was 100% behind Ned until he found out that Ned intended to support Stannis, but Ned was short of living allies and Littlefinger was there and seemed like someone who could help. Jaime Lannister was not even a potential ally to Ned, that's just silly. :P
In fact, Cersei only got away because she was very lucky that Littlefinger took her side. She had no real plan for dealing with Ned.
No, he was insanely stupid. He immediately told Cersei his plans and trusted Littefinger. He refused to make any sort of move after Robert's… more death (he literally just walked up to Cersei and said "remove your power pls") and immediately alienated a potential ally in Jaime Lannister. His political maneuvering was shit, at best. Sandor likes killing and Oakhart hasn't really had to as far as we've seen. Most people don't like beating little girls, those that do (Trant, Boros, Clegane) are considered notable scumbags because of it.
Roose didn't betray anyone, Robb did. Robb was losing and Roose chose not to pay for Robb's missteps and failures.
I didn't mean that Jaime was an ally - more that he could freak out and go on a random murder rampage, maybe targeting his children.
But I agree with you on all your other points - not only was Cersei lucky Littlefinger joined her, Sansa had also told her ned's plan earlier. If AFOC made one thing clear, it was just how clueless Cersei is XD
He told Cersei because he wanted the children to be safe and not die like the Targaryens. Littlefinger was 100% behind Ned until he found ou… moret that Ned intended to support Stannis, but Ned was short of living allies and Littlefinger was there and seemed like someone who could help. Jaime Lannister was not even a potential ally to Ned, that's just silly. :P
In fact, Cersei only got away because she was very lucky that Littlefinger took her side. She had no real plan for dealing with Ned.
The first time I ever saw Harys I honestly assumed he was Gryff. It was funny to see him and think "holy shit, that's the 'fourth born with something to prove?'" It was quite a relief when the actual Gryff came out and he was a little bitch.
The first time I ever saw Harys I honestly assumed he was Gryff. It was funny to see him and think "holy shit, that's the 'fourth born with something to prove?'" It was quite a relief when the actual Gryff came out and he was a little bitch.
Yes. It's not uncommon for people to admire heroes. His strength, courage, and honour are inspirational to us all. Loyal men are uncommon in Westeros, to have one that is both loyal and willing to give his life for peace in the North is a rarity. Also, we admire the wisdom he displayed by wearing a helmet and quality armour.
Right? I really want Torrhen to be likable and relatable. Not blatantly evil like Gwyn and Ludd but not too heroic and honourable like Harys or Eddard Stark.
Same - my first thought was "crap this guy looks hench"
Then he just kind of shuffled sideways and this whiny dickish kid walked up and a… morennounced himself as Gryff.
Honestly I really hope Torrhen is relatable - Gryff, Ludd (and to some extent Gwyn) were all very unlikeable. (by design I know but still)
Oh no, you didn't say Jaime was a potential ally, Lord Goss did.
Robb made a foolish mistake of killing Karstark rather than keeping him as hostage. I personally don't fault him for marryin Jeyne, he shouldn't have lain with her, but because he did, Ned had taught him that he is responsible for her now. Whatever he did, he would have been criticised for it. TV show Robb was worse, he just decided that he would rather go back on a promise!
I didn't mean that Jaime was an ally - more that he could freak out and go on a random murder rampage, maybe targeting his children.
But … moreI agree with you on all your other points - not only was Cersei lucky Littlefinger joined her, Sansa had also told her ned's plan earlier. If AFOC made one thing clear, it was just how clueless Cersei is XD
I just have incredible respect for someone able to hold his own against Rodrik/Asher and basically save the war for House Whitehall (if not for him the last remaining whitehill at the siege would have died and Forresters would've won by Ramsay's terms)
Right? I really want Torrhen to be likable and relatable. Not blatantly evil like Gwyn and Ludd but not too heroic and honourable like Harys or Eddard Stark.
I don't like him per se.
I just have incredible respect for someone able to hold his own against Rodrik/Asher and basically save the war … morefor House Whitehall (if not for him the last remaining whitehill at the siege would have died and Forresters would've won by Ramsay's terms)
In Asher or Rodrik's play through? In Asher's I'd say Gryff put up quite a fight and died defiantly. In Rodrik's their deaths are still pretty similar, they're both mercilessly slaughtered at the hands of the monstrous Forrester terrorists.
Oops you're right. Begs the question though: why did Torrhen stay so far away when it was literally his house at stake?
Also I imagine Ramsay probably doesn't care who lives and dies (I'm kinda expecting him to just flay everyone at the end)
I gotta say that despite being provoked by Rodrik's aggression when one of his man struck down by a cup to the mouth,Harys shows great restrain and let the higher authority decide the more fitting punishment.
Right? Any lesser man would have let him receive a beating for his uwarranted and unprovoked attack against the Whitehill men. His respect for the laws and traditions of Westeros is truly admiring and only goes to show his honour.
I gotta say that despite being provoked by Rodrik's aggression when one of his man struck down by a cup to the mouth,Harys shows great restrain and let the higher authority decide the more fitting punishment.
In Asher or Rodrik's play through? In Asher's I'd say Gryff put up quite a fight and died defiantly. In Rodrik's their deaths are still pretty similar, they're both mercilessly slaughtered at the hands of the monstrous Forrester terrorists.
Yeah, except he laughs (not sure if he laughs but I remember it amused him.) when the soldiers joke about killing a young boy. Where is the honour in that?
Right? Any lesser man would have let him receive a beating for his uwarranted and unprovoked attack against the Whitehill men. His respect for the laws and traditions of Westeros is truly admiring and only goes to show his honour.
He didn't laugh, he just glared the whole time. Personally, even I found the soldiers' historical reenactment to be pretty funny; especially since there was literally no reason my Ethan should have died in the first place (I laughed harder during Ethan's actual death because of how absurd it was). I didn't find their historical reenactment dishonorable, I see nothing wrong with respect for history.
Yeah, except he laughs (not sure if he laughs but I remember it amused him.) when the soldiers joke about killing a young boy. Where is the honour in that?
He didn't laugh, he just glared the whole time. Personally, even I found the soldiers' historical reenactment to be pretty funny; especially… more since there was literally no reason my Ethan should have died in the first place (I laughed harder during Ethan's actual death because of how absurd it was). I didn't find their historical reenactment dishonorable, I see nothing wrong with respect for history.
Nope, he just leaned against a beam and glared at things while drinking before heroically stepping in to save Rodrik and politely inform him of the current political situation.
Eh, all of their actions are pretty justifiable though. There's nothing wrong with beating Gryff or most of what Rodrik does, with Asher I didn't notice many moral choices, Mira's only truly bad option is lying about Sera to Margaery, Gared's overly honourable, Ethan never really got the chance. I tried being "Evil Rodrik" but there's nothing that stuck out as evil.
As Rodrik I'd have like to have tortured Gryff's soldiers, or murdered Gwyn, or have Lady Forrester executed, or have examples made out of the peasants. Things like that.
To be fair, you could play most Forresters as non-honourable
* Mira could be a completely ruthless schemer (selling out friends, manipu… morelate Lyman etc.)
* Asher could just be completely brutal, reckless and amoral constantly
* Rodrik could be a total bastard (e.g. smashing gryff's eye)
* Gared... well... does blood magic count? If not then he's honourable
* Can't think of anything for Ethan
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But will a day arise when the dark dragon's lies will be silenced forever and then ?
So I said I wanted to make a Harys character in Skyrim....and dear god I fucked up.....
He looks perfect to me.
At least I got the teeth right. Amirite?
I will always defend people of the north that are willing to fight aginst Boltons and their allies.
Except... that isn't true in the slightest. Ramsay doesn't usually directly lie or give blatantly false information (he did to Theon, but that was for psychological torture)
You're goddamn right.
He told Cersei because he wanted the children to be safe and not die like the Targaryens. Littlefinger was 100% behind Ned until he found out that Ned intended to support Stannis, but Ned was short of living allies and Littlefinger was there and seemed like someone who could help. Jaime Lannister was not even a potential ally to Ned, that's just silly. :P
In fact, Cersei only got away because she was very lucky that Littlefinger took her side. She had no real plan for dealing with Ned.
I didn't mean that Jaime was an ally - more that he could freak out and go on a random murder rampage, maybe targeting his children.
But I agree with you on all your other points - not only was Cersei lucky Littlefinger joined her, Sansa had also told her ned's plan earlier. If AFOC made one thing clear, it was just how clueless Cersei is XD
The first time I ever saw Harys I honestly assumed he was Gryff. It was funny to see him and think "holy shit, that's the 'fourth born with something to prove?'" It was quite a relief when the actual Gryff came out and he was a little bitch.
Same - my first thought was "crap this guy looks hench"
Then he just kind of shuffled sideways and this whiny dickish kid walked up and announced himself as Gryff.
Honestly I really hope Torrhen is relatable - Gryff, Ludd (and to some extent Gwyn) were all very unlikeable. (by design I know but still)
Wait, there are people that actually like Harys?
Yes. It's not uncommon for people to admire heroes. His strength, courage, and honour are inspirational to us all. Loyal men are uncommon in Westeros, to have one that is both loyal and willing to give his life for peace in the North is a rarity. Also, we admire the wisdom he displayed by wearing a helmet and quality armour.
Right? I really want Torrhen to be likable and relatable. Not blatantly evil like Gwyn and Ludd but not too heroic and honourable like Harys or Eddard Stark.
Guys imagine if Harys died like Gryff and Gryff died like Harys.
Oh no, you didn't say Jaime was a potential ally, Lord Goss did.
Robb made a foolish mistake of killing Karstark rather than keeping him as hostage. I personally don't fault him for marryin Jeyne, he shouldn't have lain with her, but because he did, Ned had taught him that he is responsible for her now. Whatever he did, he would have been criticised for it. TV show Robb was worse, he just decided that he would rather go back on a promise!
I don't like him per se.
I just have incredible respect for someone able to hold his own against Rodrik/Asher and basically save the war for House Whitehall (if not for him the last remaining whitehill at the siege would have died and Forresters would've won by Ramsay's terms)
Exactly - Pragmatic and intelligent (though not cruel) - just not a whiny bitch like Gryff or a total arse like Ludd
Torrhen still counts under Ramsay's terms.
In Asher or Rodrik's play through? In Asher's I'd say Gryff put up quite a fight and died defiantly. In Rodrik's their deaths are still pretty similar, they're both mercilessly slaughtered at the hands of the monstrous Forrester terrorists.
Oops you're right. Begs the question though: why did Torrhen stay so far away when it was literally his house at stake?
Also I imagine Ramsay probably doesn't care who lives and dies (I'm kinda expecting him to just flay everyone at the end)
I assumed he was still stuck down South with Roose, otherwise I'm not sure. It'd be weird if it was like
"Hey Torrhen, your House is in a fight to the death with House Forrester you should probably head home to make sure things don't get too out of hand."
"Nah, it's just a war"
I gotta say that despite being provoked by Rodrik's aggression when one of his man struck down by a cup to the mouth,Harys shows great restrain and let the higher authority decide the more fitting punishment.
Right? Any lesser man would have let him receive a beating for his uwarranted and unprovoked attack against the Whitehill men. His respect for the laws and traditions of Westeros is truly admiring and only goes to show his honour.
Someone model swap Gryff with Harys and vice versa!
Rodrik's playthrough. Adding the begging for his life.
I really hope he's playable. It'd be awesome to finally play someone who isn't 100% honourable and heroic.
Yeah, except he laughs (not sure if he laughs but I remember it amused him.) when the soldiers joke about killing a young boy. Where is the honour in that?
He didn't laugh, he just glared the whole time. Personally, even I found the soldiers' historical reenactment to be pretty funny; especially since there was literally no reason my Ethan should have died in the first place (I laughed harder during Ethan's actual death because of how absurd it was). I didn't find their historical reenactment dishonorable, I see nothing wrong with respect for history.
Really? I'm sure I remember him at least grinning.
Nope, he just leaned against a beam and glared at things while drinking before heroically stepping in to save Rodrik and politely inform him of the current political situation.
Yeah, this guy was awesome. And that final fight was brutal.
To be fair, you could play most Forresters as non-honourable
Eh, all of their actions are pretty justifiable though. There's nothing wrong with beating Gryff or most of what Rodrik does, with Asher I didn't notice many moral choices, Mira's only truly bad option is lying about Sera to Margaery, Gared's overly honourable, Ethan never really got the chance. I tried being "Evil Rodrik" but there's nothing that stuck out as evil.
As Rodrik I'd have like to have tortured Gryff's soldiers, or murdered Gwyn, or have Lady Forrester executed, or have examples made out of the peasants. Things like that.
Indeed. I miss him already....