With the Dragonborn gone, who will face off Daenerys' dragons when she comes for Westeros?
Who will prevail against the army of Draugrs marching from beyond the Wall?
The wicked Forresters have doomed the world.
And Harys tried to upstage you. He tried to rock that helmet better than you or I. We needed to show him who the rightful wearer of that helmet is. Be it for being Heroic or Villainous.
With the Dragonborn gone, who will face off Daenerys' dragons when she comes for Westeros?
Who will prevail against the army of Draugrs marching from beyond the Wall?
The wicked Forresters have doomed the world.
Look at the sadness in his eyes. The peace he spent his life trying to obtain was crushed by the unprovoked attacks of Forrester terrorists. He fought for peace and stability only to be brutally slain for these noble ideals. He fought heroically and honourably only to succumb to Forrester warmongering and brutality.
Right? One time I slaughtered this Argonian family pretending to be farmers and one of their offspring had the audacity to call me a monster. I'm not sure what they were up to, but I know I put a stop to their scheming.
Yeah, but don't forget that Forresters support the Starks, who are noble and gentle.
Who the Whitehills support? Boltons! The Boltons are fucking sick, dude.
We definitely dont know the whole story - who knows? Harys may well have been a Ryon/Gared position 30 years or so ago, more than enough reason to hate the forresters.
Roose seems to actually be a really decent leader, though he needs to leash Ramsay. Robb was neither noble nor gentle and Eddard was stupid. Just because Roose and Ramsay aren't the most moral doesn't mean that House Bolton is inherently evil. Also, The Forresters and Whitehills don't choose who they serve. That's not how the feudal system works. The Whitehills were under the Starks the same way the Forresters were
Forresters < Glovers < Starks
Whitehills < Boltons < Starks
For the Whitehills staying pro-Stark is the worst possible move because now they can be (since the Glovers don't seem to exist anymore)
Yeah, but don't forget that Forresters support the Starks, who are noble and gentle.
Who the Whitehills support? Boltons! The Boltons are fucking sick, dude.
His courage and heroism really gave him an edge in that final fight. It's unfortunate that it wasn't enough to prevent his death. He will never get to see the peace and stability he long fought for.
I knew there would be an awesome fight with him in an episode. I didn't think he'd cause so much damage in the fight, though ._.
RIP Lady Forrester/Erik/Bowen/random soldier
It was weird seeing Gryff get rekt by Rodrik in seconds then begging for mercy, but then in Asher's playthrough he holds his own in a prolonged fight and dies defiantly.
Unless you call off the plan. As much as it would kill people to give up everything you've been fighting for, some people find it worth it so at the end of the day there is still a House Forrester.
Now that Forresters have slaughtered this hero of legend they have doomed Westeros to Alduin's wrath. Harys was Westeros's only hope, now he feasts and drinks in Sovngarde!
Same I thought he was just a great strategist like Ethan who sat on the side-lines but maybe he was a great warrior in his younger years then got fat, but i'd love to see that, Ludd both a great warrior a iron fisted leader and a wise strategist.
That'd be cool, I wish this season put more emphasis on character building rather than having everyone (except Harys) be so two-dimensional. It would have been great to actually have scenes that make us sympathize with Ludd and show the darker side of the Forrester-Whitehill relationship.
Same I thought he was just a great strategist like Ethan who sat on the side-lines but maybe he was a great warrior in his younger years then got fat, but i'd love to see that, Ludd both a great warrior a iron fisted leader and a wise strategist.
Roose is keeping the North together from the skin of his teeth and rightly so for his betrayal. Bear in mind that Sandor serves Joffrey as does Aerys Oakheart, but neither take pleasure in harming Sansa or go overboard with dishonourable orders.
Slightly off the point, Eddard was never stupid, although some people with hindsight claim that. I would rather die like Eddard than die like Tywin- on a toilet because I gang raped an innocent girl and passed her off as a prostitute.
Roose seems to actually be a really decent leader, though he needs to leash Ramsay. Robb was neither noble nor gentle and Eddard was stupid.… more Just because Roose and Ramsay aren't the most moral doesn't mean that House Bolton is inherently evil. Also, The Forresters and Whitehills don't choose who they serve. That's not how the feudal system works. The Whitehills were under the Starks the same way the Forresters were
Forresters < Glovers < Starks
Whitehills < Boltons < Starks
For the Whitehills staying pro-Stark is the worst possible move because now they can be (since the Glovers don't seem to exist anymore)
Forresters < Whitehills < Boltons
I wanted to kill him in Episode 4 when the Glenmore guard arrested him and Gryff. I wanted that option long before I knew what Harys would do. I knew that if we take out his thug/enforcer then Gryff will be vulnerable. I really would have killed him there and then rather than a random soldier. Maybe a lot of problems would have been sorted.
You're confused, my liege, some semi competent writers did that. You told Justin Massey to fight for her if you died. I would bend the knee to you, just liberate Ironrath along with Deepwood Motte, and the Forrester allegiance is yours!
No, he was insanely stupid. He immediately told Cersei his plans and trusted Littefinger. He refused to make any sort of move after Robert's death (he literally just walked up to Cersei and said "remove your power pls") and immediately alienated a potential ally in Jaime Lannister. His political maneuvering was shit, at best. Sandor likes killing and Oakhart hasn't really had to as far as we've seen. Most people don't like beating little girls, those that do (Trant, Boros, Clegane) are considered notable scumbags because of it.
Roose didn't betray anyone, Robb did. Robb was losing and Roose chose not to pay for Robb's missteps and failures.
Roose is keeping the North together from the skin of his teeth and rightly so for his betrayal. Bear in mind that Sandor serves Joffrey as d… moreoes Aerys Oakheart, but neither take pleasure in harming Sansa or go overboard with dishonourable orders.
Slightly off the point, Eddard was never stupid, although some people with hindsight claim that. I would rather die like Eddard than die like Tywin- on a toilet because I gang raped an innocent girl and passed her off as a prostitute.
Even though I admire his heroism and courage, I agree. I'd have liked to have been able to kill Gryff but I would have settled for an [Execute the garrison] option.
I wanted to kill him in Episode 4 when the Glenmore guard arrested him and Gryff. I wanted that option long before I knew what Harys would d… moreo. I knew that if we take out his thug/enforcer then Gryff will be vulnerable. I really would have killed him there and then rather than a random soldier. Maybe a lot of problems would have been sorted.
He did save people though. Plenty of them.
* Rodrik: he didn't let the Whitehill garrison fuck him up, even if Rodrik attacked first
*… more Royland (determinate): he didn't kill him when/if Rodrik allows him to attack, he incapacitates him instead of running him through
* Gryff & More Whitehill soldiers: he prevents Rodrik/Asher from slaying more people
* Ludd/Gryff: interrupts Asher/Rodrik and initiates his final fight.
I will agree that he made a load of mistakes - but they were in character mistakes
As you said, it was stupid to warn Cersei that he knew - but not warning her would have meant three more dead children at the foot of the iron throne. He disapproved of Aegon (/fake aegon) and Rhaenys' deaths. He didn't want to be like Gregor Clegane.
Plus, at that time there appeared to be nothing she could do: Robert was alive and well, Littlefinger appeared an ally (Catelyn's childhood friend), Varys appeared helpful and Jaime was far away in the river lands (plus he had his house guard with him)
He couldn't possibly have foreseen that Cersei would already have a plan in place to kill her husband (something like that was unthinkable to him).
Or that Catelyn's childhood friend would betray him and alienate her.
Or that Varys couldn't actually do anything.
Or that in the event of Robert's death he'd have the regency and handship stolen.
Or that Joffrey and Cersei were both total pieces of shit.
It's very true he was no politician (and a poor player of the game) but because of how he'd been raised some things were just unthinkable. So while I wouldn't say he was stupid, it definitely wasn't his battleground.
Robb on the other hand was stupid as all hell (though he did marry Jeyne after Melisandre threw that leech into the fire, didn't he?
No, he was insanely stupid. He immediately told Cersei his plans and trusted Littefinger. He refused to make any sort of move after Robert's… more death (he literally just walked up to Cersei and said "remove your power pls") and immediately alienated a potential ally in Jaime Lannister. His political maneuvering was shit, at best. Sandor likes killing and Oakhart hasn't really had to as far as we've seen. Most people don't like beating little girls, those that do (Trant, Boros, Clegane) are considered notable scumbags because of it.
Roose didn't betray anyone, Robb did. Robb was losing and Roose chose not to pay for Robb's missteps and failures.
Harys served to house that was loyal to King Tommen the Usurper.
Everyone who doesnt stand with one true king of Westeros is an enemy and he deserves death.
It would be wise to bend your knee to me, Stannis Baratheon, the one true king.
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God dammit Forresters.
At that moment, i knew, he f---ed up.
And Harys tried to upstage you. He tried to rock that helmet better than you or I. We needed to show him who the rightful wearer of that helmet is. Be it for being Heroic or Villainous.
I think he was a dick head.....
Dear god it's just like the scrolls foretold.
Okay buddy.
As someone who once saw an Argonian in a window, I can attest to the validity of this statement. He just looked so racist and evil.
The death of a Hero. The fall of justice.
You will always be in our hearts, noble Harys.
Look at the sadness in his eyes. The peace he spent his life trying to obtain was crushed by the unprovoked attacks of Forrester terrorists. He fought for peace and stability only to be brutally slain for these noble ideals. He fought heroically and honourably only to succumb to Forrester warmongering and brutality.
Ah! So it'd fit right in with the rest of the series!
Right? One time I slaughtered this Argonian family pretending to be farmers and one of their offspring had the audacity to call me a monster. I'm not sure what they were up to, but I know I put a stop to their scheming.
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Yeah, but don't forget that Forresters support the Starks, who are noble and gentle.
Who the Whitehills support? Boltons! The Boltons are fucking sick, dude.
I knew there would be an awesome fight with him in an episode. I didn't think he'd cause so much damage in the fight, though ._.
RIP Lady Forrester/Erik/Bowen/random soldier
Roose seems to actually be a really decent leader, though he needs to leash Ramsay. Robb was neither noble nor gentle and Eddard was stupid. Just because Roose and Ramsay aren't the most moral doesn't mean that House Bolton is inherently evil. Also, The Forresters and Whitehills don't choose who they serve. That's not how the feudal system works. The Whitehills were under the Starks the same way the Forresters were
Forresters < Glovers < Starks
Whitehills < Boltons < Starks
For the Whitehills staying pro-Stark is the worst possible move because now they can be (since the Glovers don't seem to exist anymore)
Forresters < Whitehills < Boltons
His courage and heroism really gave him an edge in that final fight. It's unfortunate that it wasn't enough to prevent his death. He will never get to see the peace and stability he long fought for.
R.I.P Harys Whitehill - The Savior who couldn't save anyone (Ramsay's voice).
He did save people though. Plenty of them.
Kay then.
I didn't say he was a bad fighter, I always just thought he'd be more of a wild fighter. Still good, just with a more unique style of fighting.
Part of me thinks he was more scared of Rodrik than Asher. His reaction to being killed by either sort of leads towards that.
... Touché. :P
Maybe because he wronged Rodrik more than Asher?
Of black wings in the cold?
Unless you call off the plan. As much as it would kill people to give up everything you've been fighting for, some people find it worth it so at the end of the day there is still a House Forrester.
And when brothers wage war come unfurled?
Better yet a whole Whitehill DLC where we play as Ludd, Gryff, Harys, Morgryn, and Gwyn when they aren't around the Forresters
Wait, if harys is doomed to Sovngarde, can Alduin feast upon his soul there?
What do you mean? Argonians are the greatest, they're full of wisdom and experience. and that's coming from a Nord
Alduin, bane of Kings, ancient shadow unbound, With a hunger to swallow the world?
Same I thought he was just a great strategist like Ethan who sat on the side-lines but maybe he was a great warrior in his younger years then got fat, but i'd love to see that, Ludd both a great warrior a iron fisted leader and a wise strategist.
That'd be cool, I wish this season put more emphasis on character building rather than having everyone (except Harys) be so two-dimensional. It would have been great to actually have scenes that make us sympathize with Ludd and show the darker side of the Forrester-Whitehill relationship.
Roose is keeping the North together from the skin of his teeth and rightly so for his betrayal. Bear in mind that Sandor serves Joffrey as does Aerys Oakheart, but neither take pleasure in harming Sansa or go overboard with dishonourable orders.
Slightly off the point, Eddard was never stupid, although some people with hindsight claim that. I would rather die like Eddard than die like Tywin- on a toilet because I gang raped an innocent girl and passed her off as a prostitute.
I wanted to kill him in Episode 4 when the Glenmore guard arrested him and Gryff. I wanted that option long before I knew what Harys would do. I knew that if we take out his thug/enforcer then Gryff will be vulnerable. I really would have killed him there and then rather than a random soldier. Maybe a lot of problems would have been sorted.
You're confused, my liege, some semi competent writers did that. You told Justin Massey to fight for her if you died. I would bend the knee to you, just liberate Ironrath along with Deepwood Motte, and the Forrester allegiance is yours!
No, he was insanely stupid. He immediately told Cersei his plans and trusted Littefinger. He refused to make any sort of move after Robert's death (he literally just walked up to Cersei and said "remove your power pls") and immediately alienated a potential ally in Jaime Lannister. His political maneuvering was shit, at best. Sandor likes killing and Oakhart hasn't really had to as far as we've seen. Most people don't like beating little girls, those that do (Trant, Boros, Clegane) are considered notable scumbags because of it.
Roose didn't betray anyone, Robb did. Robb was losing and Roose chose not to pay for Robb's missteps and failures.
Even though I admire his heroism and courage, I agree. I'd have liked to have been able to kill Gryff but I would have settled for an [Execute the garrison] option.
A true HERO
I don't think Eddard was stupid.
I will agree that he made a load of mistakes - but they were in character mistakes
As you said, it was stupid to warn Cersei that he knew - but not warning her would have meant three more dead children at the foot of the iron throne. He disapproved of Aegon (/fake aegon) and Rhaenys' deaths. He didn't want to be like Gregor Clegane.
Plus, at that time there appeared to be nothing she could do: Robert was alive and well, Littlefinger appeared an ally (Catelyn's childhood friend), Varys appeared helpful and Jaime was far away in the river lands (plus he had his house guard with him)
He couldn't possibly have foreseen that Cersei would already have a plan in place to kill her husband (something like that was unthinkable to him).
Or that Catelyn's childhood friend would betray him and alienate her.
Or that Varys couldn't actually do anything.
Or that in the event of Robert's death he'd have the regency and handship stolen.
Or that Joffrey and Cersei were both total pieces of shit.
It's very true he was no politician (and a poor player of the game) but because of how he'd been raised some things were just unthinkable. So while I wouldn't say he was stupid, it definitely wasn't his battleground.
Robb on the other hand was stupid as all hell (though he did marry Jeyne after Melisandre threw that leech into the fire, didn't he?
To the one true King of Westeros!
(let's hope he survives long enough for Massey to get back with the sellswords and Melisandre doesn't screw up and accept Jon as Azor Ahai reborn)