If Jane dies in Season 3

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  • What?

    AronDracula posted: »

    Yeah, use Clem as bait. Leave her to die (I got this replica from Amanda Ripley from Alien Isolation)

  • I chose Kenny not because I like him that much, it's because his endings seemed very emotional and showed how much he cares for Clem and AJ. If his endings weren't that good, I would have stayed with the Alone ending.

    DarkViolet posted: »

    No one is safe in Kirkman´s universe. I disagree. One of the main reasons I stopped watching TWD was because some of the characters

  • Well if you remove any of those characters, you lose more than you gain. Twd doesnt have big enough cast of characters to kill off them off, like in game of thrones, for example, so the overall quality of the show would suffer.

    DarkViolet posted: »

    No one is safe in Kirkman´s universe. I disagree. One of the main reasons I stopped watching TWD was because some of the characters

  • She knew he lost many people he cared for so she had no reason to.

    zykelator posted: »

    And being provoked is valid reason to murder someone?

  • Or since they are spending way too much time on the season, they could have 3 seperate story lines with small variables depending on what you chose.

    What if they make Jane disappear after saving someone from the group in a heroic way? But not implying that she died, but rather she was just separated from the rest and can't come back. I'd be okay with that send-off.

  • How childish. I should refrain from commenting about Sarah just because you cannot deal with her death? This is a video game, for God's sake. You told me to go eff myself and then edited it into the egg thing.

    AronDracula posted: »

    You had no reason to bring Sarah into this argument when this is about Jane. That's why. I cannot stand Sarah's fate

  • Everyone had lost people, thats not excuse to be crazy. Jane lost her sister and probably rest of her family also. The fact that he was so easy to snap was exactly the reason she had to get Clementine away from him. Its easy to say you'd stay with someone so broken because old friends and all, but i seriously doubt people would risk their lives for something like that.

    AronDracula posted: »

    She knew he lost many people he cared for so she had no reason to.

  • Still, you had no reason to bring Sarah into this argument. This is about Jane.

    DarkViolet posted: »

    How childish. I should refrain from commenting about Sarah just because you cannot deal with her death? This is a video game, for God's sake. You told me to go eff myself and then edited it into the egg thing.

  • Well maybe I cannot stand people wishing death upon Jane, the same way you can't deal with Sarah's fate.

    AronDracula posted: »

    Still, you had no reason to bring Sarah into this argument. This is about Jane.

  • Please don't insult other users in your post and then edit out what you say. Let's keep things civil. Thanks.

    AronDracula posted: »

    All I want is Jane die very painfully for what she did to Sarah.

  • The same way as Kenny??

  • I'd say pulling a knife to kill someone is a little more than provoking him. The moment she pulled a knife, it was a life or death situation. I'd have done the same thing if someone pulled a knife on me like that in a world with no police.

    zykelator posted: »

    Everyone had lost people, thats not excuse to be crazy. Jane lost her sister and probably rest of her family also. The fact that he was so e

  • Killed by the people she trusted, solidifying her ZA mentality. And taking a few people with her like the bad ass that she is. This is "if" she dies, I really don't want her to.

  • edited February 2016

    Every show has its "protected characters", even game of thrones.. there will always be the characters that are important, or protagonists. and there will always be those who are there purely to die and add drama to the plot.

    But I understood what you meant, about the TWD show.

    DarkViolet posted: »

    No one is safe in Kirkman´s universe. I disagree. One of the main reasons I stopped watching TWD was because some of the characters

  • edited February 2016

    You had no reason to bring Sarah into this argument.

    DarkViolet posted: »

    And what exactly did she do to that slow little girl? In my playthrough, Clementine was the one who left her for dead.

  • writers treating him like gold

    Really? LoL if they treated him like gold would they have had him do horrible things with the idea of making the choice between he, and Jane more difficult? They could have easily made him more lovable to make the choice easier. That would have been treating him like gold.

    DarkViolet posted: »

    No one is safe in Kirkman´s universe. I disagree. One of the main reasons I stopped watching TWD was because some of the characters

  • edited February 2016

    First of all, when did Jane provoke Kenny?

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    "You're gonna see what he really is"


    First of all, when Jane comes back without the baby, Kenny is out looking for AJ, he then comes back and attacks Jane (without any provokation).

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    Jane specifically tells him that it was an accident.

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    "I didn't kill him! It was an accident, Kenny!"

    She also warns him:

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    "I won't back down from you, Kenny." - Jane, unlike the other Kenny's victims (Arvo, Mike, Lee, even Carver) wouldn't just stand while Kenny beats her.

    And he responds with this:

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    (Again, without any provocation)

    Think. What would a normal person do in Kenny's situation? The person would obviously be sad for the baby but would let Jane explain. Kenny on the other hand just attempts to homicide Jane. All praise Kenny! Our hero!

    Ask yourself: what motivated Kenny to do that besides blind rage and pure evilness? How is the form he acted justifiable in any way?


    The fight is Kenny's fault and only his. Jane did put them in that situation but as I meantioned anyone else would let Jane explain (which would cause no fight). Kenny in particular, after hearing that if he attacked her she would fight back, instigates a fight anyways!


    Like it or not Kenny is a vilain. Jane was right, and there no plausible justification in this world for what Kenny has done.

    I hope you've finally seen him for "what he really is".


    AronDracula posted: »

    She is the one who provoked him. It's HER fault.

  • Except she was down and kenny was about to go on top of her and probably strangle or hit her. If she hadnt used the knife, it wouldve been over for her.

    Kennyftw posted: »

    I'd say pulling a knife to kill someone is a little more than provoking him. The moment she pulled a knife, it was a life or death situation. I'd have done the same thing if someone pulled a knife on me like that in a world with no police.

  • But Jane could have told him AJ was alive, but she didn't say a word because she DID want Clem to shoot him. Also if I had left a baby by accident and made him crazy, I wouldn't attempt to kill him, I would just beg him to stop and back off or just threaten him with a gun. Jane defending herself is bulls**t, she cursed him (Don't you come near me you son of a bitch), then after freeing herself, she was PUNCHING him and after slicing him in the stomach, she was trying to kill him.

    Like it or not Kenny is a vilain

    Then why didn't he just let Lee died at the drugstore? Why didn't he just ditch the group before? Why didn't he kill Clem for "killing" Sarita? Why didn't he let Clem get punished by Carver? Why didn't he kill Lee in the train if you fail the fight? Why didn't he let Ben suffer/Christa die? Something's wrong with you, man.

    First of all, when did Jane provoke Kenny? "You're gonna see what he really is" First of all, when Jane comes back without the b

  • edited February 2016

    But Jane could have told him AJ was alive, but she didn't say a word because she DID want Clem to shoot him.

    Exactly, she trusted that Clem would be human enough to protect her from that monster.

    Also if I had left a baby by accident and made him crazy, I wouldn't attempt to kill him, I would just beg him to stop and back off or just threaten him with a gun. Jane defending herself is bulls**t

    She didn't attemped to kill him, she defended herself, Kenny was trying to kill her and she fought back as she said she would.

    she cursed him

    Yes, and Kenny used only polite language before and after the fight.

    then after freeing herself, she was PUNCHING him and after slicing him in the stomach, she was trying to kill him.

    She fought back and she warned him that she would, then Clem releases him/he releases himself and tries to attack Jane again. She used the knive because he was coming to attack her again, she was defending herself, saying it is "bullshit" won't change that.

    Unlike Kenny, Jane did not intend for Kenny to die. She was only trying to show Clem the monster he is, which is totally justifiable Kenny sooner or later would (or will) get someone killed. How much time will it take until he turns on Clem for disagreeing with him?


    Then why didn't he just let Lee died at the drugstore? Why didn't he just ditch the group before? Why didn't he kill Clem for "killing" Sarita? Why didn't he let Clem get punished by Carver? Why didn't he kill Lee in the train if you fail the fight? Why didn't he let Ben suffer/Christa die?

    Ohhh yes, because that erases all that he's done wrong. That's not how it works if you murder someone it wont just fade away because you helped some pupies (this is, of course, an example).


    Something's wrong with you, man.

    Please, don't make this a personal matter. We're discussing about fictional characters. That last statement was just pointless since you barely know anything about me.

    AronDracula posted: »

    But Jane could have told him AJ was alive, but she didn't say a word because she DID want Clem to shoot him. Also if I had left a baby by ac

  • Kenny automatically assumed that Jane had killed AJ. and that was exactly what Jane wanted Clem to see. she doesn't manipulated or forced Kenny to start a fight with her as many people who defend Kenny in this situation declare.. she simply built a scenario and Kenny danced to the music exactly as she feared he would..

    Ask yourself: what motivated Kenny to do that besides blind rage and pure evilness? How is the form he acted justifiable in any way?

    I honestly don't think Kenny was evil. he was just someone who lost A LOT and his mind was destroyed. but he definitely was not an evil man.

    Great explanation by the way. : )

    First of all, when did Jane provoke Kenny? "You're gonna see what he really is" First of all, when Jane comes back without the b

  • edited February 2016

    That's not how it works if you murder someone it wont just fade away because you helped some pupies (this is, of course, an example).

    You make Kenny a murderer but you can't make Lee murderer as well?. Determinant or not, Lee can kill people which makes him a monster. He killed a state senator for sleeping with his wife, Lee could have just divorced her without a problem no matter how much he loved her.

    She was only trying to show Clem the monster he is, which is totally justifiable Kenny sooner or later would (or will) get someone killed

    First of all, who is someone else? I only saw Clem, AJ and Jane. Second of all, what was Kenny up to exactly before Jane started this mess?

    She didn't attemped to kill him, she defended herself, Kenny was trying to kill her and she fought back as she said she would.

    "Facepalm" OMG, how is this called self-defense when she WAS trying to stab him? Self-denfense means you avoid getting yourself hurt from someone's attacks, not trying to kill him before he even does start to.

    But Jane could have told him AJ was alive, but she didn't say a word because she DID want Clem to shoot him. Exactly, she trusted th

  • edited February 2016

    Did I deny that Lee's a murderer? Why did you even bring up Lee?

    "Sooner or later" = in the near future. I can already see Kenny, Clem and AJ finding a new group and color me impressed if Kenny doesn't argue with at least 2 persons of that group.

    After she punches Kenny and Clem pushes her away Kenny starts moving towards her, she used the only thing she had to defend herself, go rewatch the scene that's what happened. And again "I wont back down from you Kenny", she means that she's not gonna just sit around waiting for him to attack her. She unlike the others before her will fight back.

    AronDracula posted: »

    That's not how it works if you murder someone it wont just fade away because you helped some pupies (this is, of course, an example).

  • edited February 2016

    Thank you c:

    While I agree that Kenny is not entirely evil, in this scene in particular he shows to be a bit. You can see that his only desire at that moment is to hurt Jane, nothing more, which can be considered a bit evil of him.

    Kenny automatically assumed that Jane had killed AJ. and that was exactly what Jane wanted Clem to see. she doesn't manipulated or forced Ke

  • pure evilness

    I agreed with everything in your post, @IronWoodLover, but I think you went a bit too far with this statement.

    First of all, when did Jane provoke Kenny? "You're gonna see what he really is" First of all, when Jane comes back without the b

  • "Facepalm" OMG, how is this called self-defense when she WAS trying to stab him? Self-denfense means you avoid getting yourself hurt from someone's attacks, not trying to kill him before he even does.

    That IS considered self defense, though. She attacked him in order to stop him from killing her. If Jane had started the fight, and Kenny had ended up killing her, I would've considered it in self defense, too.

    AronDracula posted: »

    That's not how it works if you murder someone it wont just fade away because you helped some pupies (this is, of course, an example).

  • You're right. "Pure evilness" is not the best term to describe it.

    pure evilness I agreed with everything in your post, @IronWoodLover, but I think you went a bit too far with this statement.

  • You just had to say it didn't you... xD

    She can already be killed by a vilain (Kenny). That would be repetitive.

  • Kenny never trusted Jane at all, he never considered her opinion. in his mind Jane would be a kind of Crawford-type woman which discards all those who may eventually become a burden to the group. so.. when Jane appeared without AJ he automatically confirmed his own suspicion without even asking questions.

    Kenny was just trying to protect Clem from a mad and heartless woman that kills a baby for the sake of her own survival.. and this is not evil. but the problem is: this woman never existed.. she existed only in his broken mind.

    You get it now? :)

    Thank you c: While I agree that Kenny is not entirely evil, in this scene in particular he shows to be a bit. You can see that his only desire at that moment is to hurt Jane, nothing more, which can be considered a bit evil of him.

  • Killed by the people she trusted, solidifying her ZA mentality.

    Wait, I'm confused. How is her mentality "kill people who trust you"?

    DoubleJump posted: »

    Killed by the people she trusted, solidifying her ZA mentality. And taking a few people with her like the bad ass that she is. This is "if" she dies, I really don't want her to.

  • Yes, I think so. Thanks for sharing that with me. I never looked at Kenny from that prespective.

    Kenny never trusted Jane at all, he never considered her opinion. in his mind Jane would be a kind of Crawford-type woman which discards all

  • Actually, you're the one who brought Sarah into the argument, read your comment that she replied to "All I want is Jane die very painfully for what she did to Sarah."

    AronDracula posted: »

    You had no reason to bring Sarah into this argument.

  • Your description of Jane actually made me think of Michonne, they're quite similar characters in terms of being good survivors, being protective over a child/teenagers and being isolated for a while without getting crazy - you could argue that they might have lost some sanity here and there but not enough to the point where they ended up losing their own life due to it.

    Despite surviving the apocalypse by herself for a couple of months, without human interaction, and not going crazy, plus figuring out a whole lot of techniques to fight off walkers and find food. She's got to be doing something right.

  • I would love that, I think if they do that, they should add more save slots cause I'd be playing Season 3 more than 4 times.

    zykelator posted: »

    Or since they are spending way too much time on the season, they could have 3 seperate story lines with small variables depending on what you chose.

  • Yeah, I think they can foresee the disappointment if they just make previous decisions barely affect anything - specifically Season 2's final decisions.

    Lewsblake23 posted: »

    I hope she doesn't die. Some of us chose to be with her for a reason. Same goes for those with Kenny. I'm still holding out on Telltale making our final choices matter, seeing as they're amping Season 3 up to be so huge.

  • You know, I kind of had the idea of Jaime being Season 3's main villain for Jane's Endings - Jane would end up discovering that Jaime is alive but they'd both be different from how they remember one another - Jane becomes allot kinder as she hangs around Clementine and Jaime would become more of a survivalist and actually tells us how she escaped the balcony(perhaps at the last minute) and tried to find Jane, in the end, Jaime would end up killing Jane thinking that she's become 'too nice' in the sense that she keeps making decisions for the good of others, rather than for the good of her own group or more specifically Jaime, I highly doubt it would happen but it would be very emotional in my opinion if Jane's own sister, the one she struggled to protect and save, ended up causing her death, either directly or indirectly - it could show how Jane's mentality about being alone was both right and wrong - right because it was the people she was with who ended up causing her downfall and wrong because her life felt better to her after no longer being alone.

  • Heh, I meant don't trust anyone unstable (which is pretty much everyone by now), but Jane's in a group with them.

    Killed by the people she trusted, solidifying her ZA mentality. Wait, I'm confused. How is her mentality "kill people who trust you"?

  • edited February 2016

    she should be left behind by clem to throw back to that idea of leaving others who aren't worth saving and then let sarah being left behind be brought up before leaving her if you chose her first death

  • edited February 2016

    How are you so inattentive? She is the one who mentioned Sarah first.

    But that's the way Sarah died. I don't want death scenes to get repetitive.

    prink34320 posted: »

    Actually, you're the one who brought Sarah into the argument, read your comment that she replied to "All I want is Jane die very painfully for what she did to Sarah."

  • edited February 2016

    good surival skills

    Does that include provoking an emotionally unstable man so she can fight him to death?

    Mariana238 posted: »

    I just hope if she has to die, its realistic. I can't see her dying a stupid death when she has such good survival skills.

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