I dont buy this idea that game of thrones is all about misery. The starks have had some good moments too. Plus they are due a victory, the remaining ones have got over there must do the right thing mentality
Jon and Sansa reuniting. Its about time something good happened to the Starks
Game of Thrones never does this. You know something bad is gonna happen. And soon...
Hi, I have nothing against Emilia Clarke, instead I like her and she seems to be a very nice person. My disappointement is with the showrunners and the lack of character development, with what happened yesterday it seems like she is invincible and perfect, which is in contradiction with the tones of the story, who makes mistakes pays(or even dies) and everyone suffers the consequences of their wrong decisions. Dany had a development only in the first season and maybe in the second, but then she only becomes the one with the dragons who makes badass things. Stop.
The only thing that distinguishes Daenerys from Viserys is that she has dragons and that she is immune from fire(it seems). I thought this season was about Dany returning down to earth, but I was wrong.
Agreed.
I'm not much of a Dany fan either, but I'm soo bored of the incessant hate on her character. And Emilia Clarke.
It seems nothing she does is ever okay or justifiable.
My disappointement is with the showrunners and the lack of character development, with what happened yesterday it seems like she is invincible and perfect, which is in contradiction with the tones of the story, who makes mistakes pays(or even dies) and everyone suffers the consequences of their wrong decisions.
Her story arc in season 5 is all about showing weakness after the parade of conquering she had done, and there were many downfalls for her (one being Ser Barristan dying). And they have put a big emphasis on showing the negative consequences of her decisions on Meereen, hell, the Sons of The Harpy are one big negative consequence of her not being able to control the Slaver's Bay. The high note ending of her flying away with Drogon might throw some off, but in truth season 5 was very much a season of struggling for Dany. And as we start this season she is at her lowest - forced as a slave to the Dothraki. So, did we need a couple episodes of the Dothraki raping her to make some people satisfied? She had a triumphant moment, yes, but that's the point because this is a turning point on her story, the start of the final act on her Slaver's Bay -storyline.
Dany had a development only in the first season and maybe in the second, but then she only becomes the one with the dragons who makes badass things. Stop.
No, you stop. And watch the seasons again. Season 3 was all about her becoming a conquerer, as it needed to be. Now, admittedly season 4 is a bit of an off-season for her, but it still is about her trying to move from conquerer to ruler. And about her season 5 I already talked, but if you want to see scenes that are not about "dragons and badass things", let me show you:
I thought this season was about Dany returning down to earth, but I was wrong.
And do what? Meekly live her days as Dosh Khaleen? One can't win the Dothraki over with political savvy, so she showed power and created a spectacle to make herself look like a god. Because that's what the Dothraki respect, power.
And if "returning down to earth" is what you expect her future to be in the books, I'm pretty sure you'll be disappointed. She is becoming the Dragon Queen, not backing out from it.
Hi, I have nothing against Emilia Clarke, instead I like her and she seems to be a very nice person. My disappointement is with the showrunn… moreers and the lack of character development, with what happened yesterday it seems like she is invincible and perfect, which is in contradiction with the tones of the story, who makes mistakes pays(or even dies) and everyone suffers the consequences of their wrong decisions. Dany had a development only in the first season and maybe in the second, but then she only becomes the one with the dragons who makes badass things. Stop.
The only thing that distinguishes Daenerys from Viserys is that she has dragons and that she is immune from fire(it seems). I thought this season was about Dany returning down to earth, but I was wrong.
Take the character as she is; how she behave, how she thinks. You would think she would be more humble now. Not a single inch of her changed. The whole burning thing wouldn't happen so fast irl and they would simply kill her in revenge/get away by the window or whatever.
Dothraki hate magic. On all those there, it's hardly believable none would step to kill her.
In books she isn't a God immune to fire, she has more development because of the material so becoming the dragon queen isn't that sure, nor the coming down to Earth.. if she doesn't it means she will end somehow Mad Queen 2.0.
My disappointement is with the showrunners and the lack of character development, with what happened yesterday it seems like she is invincib… morele and perfect, which is in contradiction with the tones of the story, who makes mistakes pays(or even dies) and everyone suffers the consequences of their wrong decisions.
Her story arc in season 5 is all about showing weakness after the parade of conquering she had done, and there were many downfalls for her (one being Ser Barristan dying). And they have put a big emphasis on showing the negative consequences of her decisions on Meereen, hell, the Sons of The Harpy are one big negative consequence of her not being able to control the Slaver's Bay. The high note ending of her flying away with Drogon might throw some off, but in truth season 5 was very much a season of struggling for Dany. And as we start this season she is at her lowest - forced as a slave to the Dothraki. So, did we need a coupl… [view original content]
I dont buy this idea that game of thrones is all about misery. The starks have had some good moments too. Plus they are due a victory, the remaining ones have got over there must do the right thing mentality
Would you be humble towards people who boast about raping you and giving you to their horses if you knew you have a way to shut those people up? As I said, she had many moments of uncertainty and doubting last season, this was NOT a moment for uncertainty and doubting. Just as much as this episode wasn't a moment for uncertainty and doubting for Sansa.
Dothraki hate magic. On all those there, it's hardly believable none would step to kill her.
Yes, they hate witches, however their own culture has superstition, gods, prophecies - and a great respect for power. A girl walking out of the flames unharmed is not just some witch, it's a god figure. Mirroring this, Jon had his god figure moment just couple episodes ago, also watched by amazed barbarians.
In books she isn't a God immune to fire
The immunity to fire isn't relevant in the big scheme of things - she is still seen by others as being almost a god. And being fireproof doesn't make one immortal, anyway. But as a character Dany is clearly in the books moving towards "Fire and Blood", from "Planting trees in Meereen". And to me it seems show Dany is going to the exact same direction, even if the route will be different.
Take the character as she is; how she behave, how she thinks. You would think she would be more humble now. Not a single inch of her changed… more. The whole burning thing wouldn't happen so fast irl and they would simply kill her in revenge/get away by the window or whatever.
Dothraki hate magic. On all those there, it's hardly believable none would step to kill her.
In books she isn't a God immune to fire, she has more development because of the material so becoming the dragon queen isn't that sure, nor the coming down to Earth.. if she doesn't it means she will end somehow Mad Queen 2.0.
This is exactly what I mean. Take Cersei for example: She felt remorse for her actions, for Joffrey ("Sometimes I wonder this is the price for what we've done, for our sins") and she showed a complexity even if she is seen as one of the "villains". She payed her mistakes with her pride and honor, and her love for her children is genuine.
Daenerys instead never showed an introspective side of her personality, even with Jorah, her closest and loyal friends, instead she seems to manipulate him and always considering herself superior(for example when they stole her dragons in Qarth). All the time she says "The throne is mine because I'm a Targaryen, I have dragons and an army" but she never thinks about her actions or accept genuine advises, and she wants to believe stories where her family is seen only in a good light(she reluctantly listened to Barristan about her father). A good ruler knows when to listen, a step she never made and I don't think she will ever make, she listens only to herself and refuses to admit her mistakes even to herself. The only thing she did was gaining power with force and burning people alive, with fear and not respect, not better than any other in game of thrones.
Take the character as she is; how she behave, how she thinks. You would think she would be more humble now. Not a single inch of her changed… more. The whole burning thing wouldn't happen so fast irl and they would simply kill her in revenge/get away by the window or whatever.
Dothraki hate magic. On all those there, it's hardly believable none would step to kill her.
In books she isn't a God immune to fire, she has more development because of the material so becoming the dragon queen isn't that sure, nor the coming down to Earth.. if she doesn't it means she will end somehow Mad Queen 2.0.
Would you be humble towards people who boast about raping you and giving you to their horses if you knew you have a way to shut those people… more up? As I said, she had many moments of uncertainty and doubting last season, this was NOT a moment for uncertainty and doubting. Just as much as this episode wasn't a moment for uncertainty and doubting for Sansa.
Dothraki hate magic. On all those there, it's hardly believable none would step to kill her.
Yes, they hate witches, however their own culture has superstition, gods, prophecies - and a great respect for power. A girl walking out of the flames unharmed is not just some witch, it's a god figure. Mirroring this, Jon had his god figure moment just couple episodes ago, also watched by amazed barbarians.
In books she isn't a God immune to fire
The immunity to fire isn't relevant in the big scheme of things - she is still seen by others as being almost a god. And being fir… [view original content]
I have no examples to give from the top of my mind, it's just the general feeling I got from the books - especially in those chapters of someone traveling to her, Tyrion and Quentyn for example. Victarion of course doesn't fit this, to him she is just the "most beautiful woman in the world"... with dragons. And I don't mean that people literally think she is god, but you know, a mystical and powerful figure - especially those who have only heard the stories of her or seen her from afar probably have hard time of picturing her as just a human.
she is still seen by others as being almost a god.
Where is it mentionned in books? I never had this feeling while reading it or see… moren anything about it.
Otherwise, I agree with your explanation Ace2'4 that's basically what I meant, but far better written.
Quentyn seeks her for her beauty aswell but not as a God, even if of course we have different perceptions while reading it.
Tyrion doesn't care about her as I remember: he wanted to stay with Gryff and said he should go West instead of going to his "aunt"; Mormont captured Tyrion but he did not take the choice to go seek her.
I have no examples to give from the top of my mind, it's just the general feeling I got from the books - especially in those chapters of som… moreeone traveling to her, Tyrion and Quentyn for example. Victarion of course doesn't fit this, to him she is just the "most beautiful woman in the world"... with dragons. And I don't mean that people literally think she is god, but you know, a mystical and powerful figure - especially those who have only heard the stories of her or seen her from afar probably have hard time of picturing her as just a human.
What I mean is the feeling on those chapters, not necessary Quentyn's or Tyrion's perception. How everyone talks about this mystical Mother of Dragons, what she has done, and the dragons of course.
Or would you really say she is just some ordinary queen? Actually GRRM has made Targaryens in general to seem a bit mysterious to rest of the world. You know, they are mostly like everyone else, but still not quite - even without the dragons. Daenerys has just a bit more of that mysteriousness to her imo.
Quentyn seeks her for her beauty aswell but not as a God, even if of course we have different perceptions while reading it.
Tyrion doesn'… moret care about her as I remember: he wanted to stay with Gryff and said he should go West instead of going to his "aunt"; Mormont captured Tyrion but he did not take the choice to go seek her.
And Quentyn ended trying to steal her a dragon.
So I didn't have this mystical vibe at all.
They're just valyrian, so the Westerners see them differently. But there're still valyrians in Essos (and some minors house in Westeros). If something caught the attention of people it's more the dragons which are supposed to be dead than the queen herself.
Other than that, I didn't feel they were special. Except if we're talking about their consanguinity. :P
What I mean is the feeling on those chapters, not necessary Quentyn's or Tyrion's perception. How everyone talks about this mystical Mother … moreof Dragons, what she has done, and the dragons of course.
Or would you really say she is just some ordinary queen? Actually GRRM has made Targaryens in general to seem a bit mysterious to rest of the world. You know, they are mostly like everyone else, but still not quite - even without the dragons. Daenerys has just a bit more of that mysteriousness to her imo.
Anyone else feeling that Ramsay's evilness is cranked up to eleven this season? I honestly hate this guy now, more than I ever did with Joffrey, at least he had an excuse that he had a spoiled upbringing and lack of father's presence. I hope that they are making him so insanely unlikable this Season just we can watch him die more painfully.
I dont see how hes any worse than his first season. Everything he did to theon that season. Season after hes hunting that chick with dogs Next season he marries sansa and now this season.
Also hes more evil than joffrey but at least he does his own stuff not just order it like joffrey did. I have marginally more respect for him as a viillan, joffrey wa s abitch with too much power, ramsey is crazy and scary
Anyone else feeling that Ramsay's evilness is cranked up to eleven this season? I honestly hate this guy now, more than I ever did with Joff… morerey, at least he had an excuse that he had a spoiled upbringing and lack of father's presence. I hope that they are making him so insanely unlikable this Season just we can watch him die more painfully.
Hmm, well I guess we've just got a different reading on the matter, because I don't mean only like Targs being "foreigner" strange to others, but as them having a touch of magic in them, as in a reminiscence of the ancient times. This is a weird analogy, but kinda like direwolves are animals, but they are also something more.
They're just valyrian, so the Westerners see them differently. But there're still valyrians in Essos (and some minors house in Westeros). If… more something caught the attention of people it's more the dragons which are supposed to be dead than the queen herself.
Other than that, I didn't feel they were special. Except if we're talking about their consanguinity. :P
I dont see how Ramsey has had plot armor apart from that one time when he fought Yara barechested.
He sure didnt have any this week. He already knew Osha's trick and was ready for her. He just let her think she had the upperhand.
If she didnt fight him, he would have killed her. He wasnt about to give up his prize. With Arya, it seemed more like choose the devil you know over the devil you dont. The reason I think Sansa chose Baelish over Brienne.
Maybe you think that because he doesnt have Theon to torture anymore so he is spreading his menace around more? Plus he doesnt have his father, as horrible as he is, to reign him in.
Anyone else feeling that Ramsay's evilness is cranked up to eleven this season? I honestly hate this guy now, more than I ever did with Joff… morerey, at least he had an excuse that he had a spoiled upbringing and lack of father's presence. I hope that they are making him so insanely unlikable this Season just we can watch him die more painfully.
I dont see how Ramsey has had plot armor apart from that one time when he fought Yara barechested.
He sure didnt have any this week. He already knew Osha's trick and was ready for her. He just let her think she had the upperhand.
Well, thats a way to look at it. I know a lot of people feel the way you do. From my perspective, this so called cameraderie between Arya and the Hound was almost as bad as her being all friendly with Tywin. At least she didnt forgive him completely so she wasnt that attached.
He is pretty much invisible and always manages to win.
But thats not plot armor. To be honest ramsey looses plenty, he just doesnt get hurt all that much. Season 4 was his first real season and even then he wasnt that present. Season 5 he won a lot but his character was still in contention with his legitimacy questioned. They been setting up his demise all season.
He's justifiably more evil than Joffrey. I mean who's more evil, Roose Bolton or Cersei Lannister?
Actually... That's kinda tough. I don't think Ramsey is more evil, I think they are very similar. The only difference is one was raised (and identified) as a bastard most their life until they reached power, while the other never knew what they were.
Both were evil little shits, and if Joffrey had his way he woulda raped Sansa too, don't forget. One was just a bit older.
And the whole, Flayed man being on your banner.. That probably adds some crazy points
I dont see how hes any worse than his first season. Everything he did to theon that season. Season after hes hunting that chick with dogs Ne… morext season he marries sansa and now this season.
Also hes more evil than joffrey but at least he does his own stuff not just order it like joffrey did. I have marginally more respect for him as a viillan, joffrey wa s abitch with too much power, ramsey is crazy and scary
I imagine that Ramsay will torture Rickon, no doubt about about. But it will make it all the more sweeter at the end of the battle Jon kills Ramsay. But then again, im taking a guess here and also it's Game of Thrones were talking about
I hope no more Starks dies. If Rickon dies, then the Stark name is essentially over. I have my doubts that Bran will return from beyond the Wall and become the new lord and father another heir to the Stark name.
Well, then there is Jon, but there are the theories...
Do you know anyone who's had a better opportunity of doing so? The iron born soldiers who just stood there as he swung at them in season 4? Or Asha/Yara (whatever) who let him finish his taunting and allowing him to free his dogs (all the while she's a professional Axe thrower
Do you know anyone who's had a better opportunity of doing so? The iron born soldiers who just stood there as he swung at them in season 4? … moreOr Asha/Yara (whatever) who let him finish his taunting and allowing him to free his dogs (all the while she's a professional Axe thrower
The whole scene was just a disaster. Who the hell raids a stronghold with thousands of men with 50 soldiers and only stopped by dogs? Also, Ramsay blitzes armored, trained killers shirtless. What. The. Fuck?!?!
The whole scene was just a disaster. Who the hell raids a stronghold with thousands of men with 50 soldiers and only stopped by dogs? Also, Ramsay blitzes armored, trained killers shirtless. What. The. Fuck?!?!
I know they are ironborn but there is no proof they are that good at fighting, or better than ramsey
Actually, she mentions she personally selected the best killers on the islands to the dreadfort in Season 3 after Balon gets Theon's cock in a box and yet they don't even attempt to hit him
They only had a few men as it was just Yara alone on the mission, Balon wouldnt support her
All the more reason why it was a stupid scene and or idea to begin with...
They did run due to the dogs Yara went to rescue theon, when she saw he was gone mentally she gave up
She went to the North, risking her life and dozens of her men to storm a castle with thousands of armed men to save him. Not only does she not rescue him she loses a lot of her men in the process only to be chased away by two hounds. It was a bad scene and idea in itself and didn't make any sense writing or story wise as it accomplished nothing. You could argue that it was to show how far gone Theon was but every other one of his scenes in Season 4 displayed this.
I think that scene was over the top but several things
* I know they are ironborn but there is no proof they are that good at fighting,… more or better than ramsey
* They only had a few men as it was just Yara alone on the mission, Balon wouldnt support her
* They did run due to the dogs Yara went to rescue theon, when she saw he was gone mentally she gave up
Comments
I dont buy this idea that game of thrones is all about misery. The starks have had some good moments too. Plus they are due a victory, the remaining ones have got over there must do the right thing mentality
LMAO i knew ive seen that kind of death before. oh man nice one.
She was "far too much trouble"
Hi, I have nothing against Emilia Clarke, instead I like her and she seems to be a very nice person. My disappointement is with the showrunners and the lack of character development, with what happened yesterday it seems like she is invincible and perfect, which is in contradiction with the tones of the story, who makes mistakes pays(or even dies) and everyone suffers the consequences of their wrong decisions. Dany had a development only in the first season and maybe in the second, but then she only becomes the one with the dragons who makes badass things. Stop.
The only thing that distinguishes Daenerys from Viserys is that she has dragons and that she is immune from fire(it seems). I thought this season was about Dany returning down to earth, but I was wrong.
Her story arc in season 5 is all about showing weakness after the parade of conquering she had done, and there were many downfalls for her (one being Ser Barristan dying). And they have put a big emphasis on showing the negative consequences of her decisions on Meereen, hell, the Sons of The Harpy are one big negative consequence of her not being able to control the Slaver's Bay. The high note ending of her flying away with Drogon might throw some off, but in truth season 5 was very much a season of struggling for Dany. And as we start this season she is at her lowest - forced as a slave to the Dothraki. So, did we need a couple episodes of the Dothraki raping her to make some people satisfied? She had a triumphant moment, yes, but that's the point because this is a turning point on her story, the start of the final act on her Slaver's Bay -storyline.
No, you stop. And watch the seasons again. Season 3 was all about her becoming a conquerer, as it needed to be. Now, admittedly season 4 is a bit of an off-season for her, but it still is about her trying to move from conquerer to ruler. And about her season 5 I already talked, but if you want to see scenes that are not about "dragons and badass things", let me show you:
enter link description here
enter link description here
enter link description here
enter link description here
And there is more.
And do what? Meekly live her days as Dosh Khaleen? One can't win the Dothraki over with political savvy, so she showed power and created a spectacle to make herself look like a god. Because that's what the Dothraki respect, power.
And if "returning down to earth" is what you expect her future to be in the books, I'm pretty sure you'll be disappointed. She is becoming the Dragon Queen, not backing out from it.
Take the character as she is; how she behave, how she thinks. You would think she would be more humble now. Not a single inch of her changed. The whole burning thing wouldn't happen so fast irl and they would simply kill her in revenge/get away by the window or whatever.
Dothraki hate magic. On all those there, it's hardly believable none would step to kill her.
In books she isn't a God immune to fire, she has more development because of the material so becoming the dragon queen isn't that sure, nor the coming down to Earth.. if she doesn't it means she will end somehow Mad Queen 2.0.
It's not all misery, but it's mostly misery.
Sometimes I find it hard to believe that any good moments happen to the Starks anymore.
Would you be humble towards people who boast about raping you and giving you to their horses if you knew you have a way to shut those people up? As I said, she had many moments of uncertainty and doubting last season, this was NOT a moment for uncertainty and doubting. Just as much as this episode wasn't a moment for uncertainty and doubting for Sansa.
Yes, they hate witches, however their own culture has superstition, gods, prophecies - and a great respect for power. A girl walking out of the flames unharmed is not just some witch, it's a god figure. Mirroring this, Jon had his god figure moment just couple episodes ago, also watched by amazed barbarians.
The immunity to fire isn't relevant in the big scheme of things - she is still seen by others as being almost a god. And being fireproof doesn't make one immortal, anyway. But as a character Dany is clearly in the books moving towards "Fire and Blood", from "Planting trees in Meereen". And to me it seems show Dany is going to the exact same direction, even if the route will be different.
This is exactly what I mean. Take Cersei for example: She felt remorse for her actions, for Joffrey ("Sometimes I wonder this is the price for what we've done, for our sins") and she showed a complexity even if she is seen as one of the "villains". She payed her mistakes with her pride and honor, and her love for her children is genuine.
Daenerys instead never showed an introspective side of her personality, even with Jorah, her closest and loyal friends, instead she seems to manipulate him and always considering herself superior(for example when they stole her dragons in Qarth). All the time she says "The throne is mine because I'm a Targaryen, I have dragons and an army" but she never thinks about her actions or accept genuine advises, and she wants to believe stories where her family is seen only in a good light(she reluctantly listened to Barristan about her father). A good ruler knows when to listen, a step she never made and I don't think she will ever make, she listens only to herself and refuses to admit her mistakes even to herself. The only thing she did was gaining power with force and burning people alive, with fear and not respect, not better than any other in game of thrones.
Where is it mentionned in books? I never had this feeling while reading it or seen anything about it.
Otherwise, I agree with your explanation Ace2'4 that's basically what I meant, but far better written.
I have no examples to give from the top of my mind, it's just the general feeling I got from the books - especially in those chapters of someone traveling to her, Tyrion and Quentyn for example. Victarion of course doesn't fit this, to him she is just the "most beautiful woman in the world"... with dragons. And I don't mean that people literally think she is god, but you know, a mystical and powerful figure - especially those who have only heard the stories of her or seen her from afar probably have hard time of picturing her as just a human.
Quentyn seeks her for her beauty aswell but not as a God, even if of course we have different perceptions while reading it.
Tyrion doesn't care about her as I remember: he wanted to stay with Gryff and said he should go West instead of going to his "aunt"; Mormont captured Tyrion but he did not take the choice to go seek her.
And Quentyn ended trying to steal her a dragon.
So I didn't have this mystical vibe at all.
What I mean is the feeling on those chapters, not necessary Quentyn's or Tyrion's perception. How everyone talks about this mystical Mother of Dragons, what she has done, and the dragons of course.
Or would you really say she is just some ordinary queen? Actually GRRM has made Targaryens in general to seem a bit mysterious to rest of the world. You know, they are mostly like everyone else, but still not quite - even without the dragons. Daenerys has just a bit more of that mysteriousness to her imo.
Great episode. I'm sorry you guys but I still can't stand Daenerys. I just... CANT.
They're just valyrian, so the Westerners see them differently. But there're still valyrians in Essos (and some minors house in Westeros). If something caught the attention of people it's more the dragons which are supposed to be dead than the queen herself.
Other than that, I didn't feel they were special. Except if we're talking about their consanguinity. :P
Anyone else feeling that Ramsay's evilness is cranked up to eleven this season? I honestly hate this guy now, more than I ever did with Joffrey, at least he had an excuse that he had a spoiled upbringing and lack of father's presence. I hope that they are making him so insanely unlikable this Season just we can watch him die more painfully.
I dont see how hes any worse than his first season. Everything he did to theon that season. Season after hes hunting that chick with dogs Next season he marries sansa and now this season.
Also hes more evil than joffrey but at least he does his own stuff not just order it like joffrey did. I have marginally more respect for him as a viillan, joffrey wa s abitch with too much power, ramsey is crazy and scary
I love the Hound too but I don't believe for a second he's dead. Wait until Episode 7 and get hype....
He even took a young child as a ward again too, first Ryon then Rickon.
Hmm, well I guess we've just got a different reading on the matter, because I don't mean only like Targs being "foreigner" strange to others, but as them having a touch of magic in them, as in a reminiscence of the ancient times. This is a weird analogy, but kinda like direwolves are animals, but they are also something more.
He is pretty much invisible and always manages to win. I am just sick of it
Just hold your breath... until episode 9
If she didnt fight him, he would have killed her. He wasnt about to give up his prize. With Arya, it seemed more like choose the devil you know over the devil you dont. The reason I think Sansa chose Baelish over Brienne.
They had better not. Davos said himself he's not a fighter and I think Brienne has more of a beef with Melisandre.
Maybe you think that because he doesnt have Theon to torture anymore so he is spreading his menace around more? Plus he doesnt have his father, as horrible as he is, to reign him in.
i think people are just mad at the game.
Well, thats a way to look at it. I know a lot of people feel the way you do. From my perspective, this so called cameraderie between Arya and the Hound was almost as bad as her being all friendly with Tywin. At least she didnt forgive him completely so she wasnt that attached.
But thats not plot armor. To be honest ramsey looses plenty, he just doesnt get hurt all that much. Season 4 was his first real season and even then he wasnt that present. Season 5 he won a lot but his character was still in contention with his legitimacy questioned. They been setting up his demise all season.
I'll lose it if Rickon dies. I've wanted him to come back for so long. Plus I can't get over how cool he looks!
Osha
I found it interesting how in the letter to Jon, Ramsay repeatedly uses the term 'bastard'.
I cannot wait for this battle!
He's justifiably more evil than Joffrey. I mean who's more evil, Roose Bolton or Cersei Lannister?
Actually... That's kinda tough. I don't think Ramsey is more evil, I think they are very similar. The only difference is one was raised (and identified) as a bastard most their life until they reached power, while the other never knew what they were.
Both were evil little shits, and if Joffrey had his way he woulda raped Sansa too, don't forget. One was just a bit older.
And the whole, Flayed man being on your banner.. That probably adds some crazy points
I imagine that Ramsay will torture Rickon, no doubt about about. But it will make it all the more sweeter at the end of the battle Jon kills Ramsay. But then again, im taking a guess here and also it's Game of Thrones were talking about
I hope no more Starks dies. If Rickon dies, then the Stark name is essentially over. I have my doubts that Bran will return from beyond the Wall and become the new lord and father another heir to the Stark name.
Well, then there is Jon, but there are the theories...
Second only to Rodrik, Osha is the closest to killing Ramsay
Meaning the both were not close at all? Ramsey baited both of them, neither had a chance
Do you know anyone who's had a better opportunity of doing so? The iron born soldiers who just stood there as he swung at them in season 4? Or Asha/Yara (whatever) who let him finish his taunting and allowing him to free his dogs (all the while she's a professional Axe thrower
Plot armor is immune to previously established professional axe throwing.
The whole scene was just a disaster. Who the hell raids a stronghold with thousands of men with 50 soldiers and only stopped by dogs? Also, Ramsay blitzes armored, trained killers shirtless. What. The. Fuck?!?!
I think that scene was over the top but several things
I know they are ironborn but there is no proof they are that good at fighting, or better than ramsey
They only had a few men as it was just Yara alone on the mission, Balon wouldnt support her
They did run due to the dogs Yara went to rescue theon, when she saw he was gone mentally she gave up
Actually, she mentions she personally selected the best killers on the islands to the dreadfort in Season 3 after Balon gets Theon's cock in a box and yet they don't even attempt to hit him
All the more reason why it was a stupid scene and or idea to begin with...
She went to the North, risking her life and dozens of her men to storm a castle with thousands of armed men to save him. Not only does she not rescue him she loses a lot of her men in the process only to be chased away by two hounds. It was a bad scene and idea in itself and didn't make any sense writing or story wise as it accomplished nothing. You could argue that it was to show how far gone Theon was but every other one of his scenes in Season 4 displayed this.