Stumbled across this quote from Telltale's CEO from 5 years ago....
Some people seem to think that Telltale has grown into some giant … morecorporation that doesn't care about people anymore. Nothing could be further from the truth. We started the company to make games that are about writing, acting and atmosphere and not about blowing shit up.
Fast forward to season 3 where fans feel like Telltale doesn't care about them at all, the writing is completely uninspired and trite, the voice actress for their most iconic and important character is fed up with their bullshit, the atmosphere barely even feels like TWD anymore and feels more like a mediocre on-rails show and not interactive cinema, and we're popping off headshots left and right on bad guys and throwing grenades with our bare hands.
Yeahhhhh, this is really bad.
Stumbled across this quote from Telltale's CEO from 5 years ago....
Some people seem to think that Telltale has grown into some giant … morecorporation that doesn't care about people anymore. Nothing could be further from the truth. We started the company to make games that are about writing, acting and atmosphere and not about blowing shit up.
Fast forward to season 3 where fans feel like Telltale doesn't care about them at all, the writing is completely uninspired and trite, the voice actress for their most iconic and important character is fed up with their bullshit, the atmosphere barely even feels like TWD anymore and feels more like a mediocre on-rails show and not interactive cinema, and we're popping off headshots left and right on bad guys and throwing grenades with our bare hands.
Yeahhhhh, this is really bad.
I think that was due to the massive rewrite due to the story Tellale planned being inconsistent with the comic creators lore, so Willingham got them to adjust it.
If I recall correctly, Brannigan originally had a much bigger role, and I think I remember there being something about Bigby glamouring himself as her to infiltrate the police station. I can't remember where I heard that info though. Apologies if I'm wrong, if anyone knows a source I'd appreciate it.
I'd love to hear Gavin's thoughts on Kenny's death lol. Or even Christine Lakin's for that matter. Even though Gavin kind of roasted them during the S2E5 stream.
This is incredibly interesting for me to hear, Gavin's performance was probably the best part of the otherwise horribly directed and written scene. He gave a genuine sense of emotion and parenthood to it. A sense of how they have been with each other for two years (and somehow haven't changed clothes ), how he teaches her, and expresses himself around AJ, it really was the nicest part of it.
There was also a nice touch in how, when Kenny was getting eaten, it sounded like he was holding himself back from making noise so Clementine wouldn't have to hear, grimacing all the way through, he never once actually screamed. It's a nice touch that he added.
The important thing about this is that only people who bought the game can write reviews. So most helpful is definitely more trustworthy, since people who are boycotting can upvote.
Watch Dogs 2 has "very positive" reviews, but I've seen overwhelmingly negative reactions and poor sales.
If I were you, I'd pretend I spent the money on a really good sandwich instead
That's my go-to when I start questioning what I spent money on-- pretending I bought some really tasty meal
don't judge me
Telltale promoting reviews between episodes is nothing new, they did it for Tales from the Borderlands, Game of Thrones, Minecraft Story Mode and Batman and other games so i think it's unlikely to be anything to do with sales.
I think they mainly do it to keep their social media account active between episodes when there is no news.
They're probably doing this because it isn't selling as well as they'd hoped, despite the introduction of the classic Dark Haired Stubbly Man protagonist they probably thought would bring in new blood.
I feel like anything I say beyond this point would just be me repeating myself but I definitely feel like there is a huge amount of issues with Telltales design process that have utterly restricted them in all regards.
One of the major issues is their absolutely terrible Engine, which is still terrible, and no doubt is an incredible hindrance in the design process for the staff on the floor. I also don't understand Telltales insistence on restricting technical and gameplay innovation. Just because they are creating a narrative focused title doesn't mean it can't have engaging gameplay, I don't understand that thinking whatsoever.
I'm still infuriated by how they split up their team and rush them to deadlines with a bunch of licensed products, when most developers are spending 3 to freaking seven years perfecting their game due to their amazing passion and talents.
There is the excuse that the writers are twiddling their thumbs during the design process (which if they actually focused on allowing interesting branches of choice, they wouldn't), but then hearing this news that they haven't even written the third episode has cemented my anger and frustration.
But apparently they can still name their achievements and rigidly set a specific amount of chapters, because flexibility in creative storytelling is never allowed!
wow, whats with the aggressiveness? I never said people have no sense of humor, unless you mean to reply to the person above me, all I said was that humoristic games is not very often my cup of tea
i didnt like it either, does that meean i hve no sense of humour? no so shut up. i give it bout 5.5/10. storylines dry and WASN'T that funny, overrrated imo
They might be co founders, but that doesn't mean they're both CEO material, you know?
I'm just saying, it seems like their direction really started changing after Kevin stepped up to the plate, even if it was Kevin that originally said that quote
It's just worth mentioning that things started changing more heavily once the previous CEO stepped down, which definitely suggests something
If you look at the media and forums there is no sign of awareness. It feels like there is no dialogue between fans and developers. We want t… moreo be heard, but it feels so far that we're being ignored. There's no TTG employees who gives a sign that they go through the feedback and try to make a good game. It feels the opposite TBH.
I've never seen this much negativeness for a game ...when your lead VA questions the quality that should tell TT something ... But it's quite clear they are not listening ! .. Fans should hit them where it hurts the most ,the pocket ,and not purchase the remaining episodes until TT get there house in order . They are living off the plaudits from S1, to have recorded only a few lines from Mel at this stage is pathetic , and shoddy , the quality of TT s product is in the garbage , let's not give them benefit of the doubt anymore , the talented people they had have left . I don't think it's because of this interview why it's doing do bad , it's not up to sellable quality and should be recalled and refunds given ! Even calling it fan fiction is bad mouthing fans ...
I've never seen this much negativeness for a game ...when your lead VA questions the quality that should tell TT something ... But it's quit… moree clear they are not listening ! .. Fans should hit them where it hurts the most ,the pocket ,and not purchase the remaining episodes until TT get there house in order . They are living off the plaudits from S1, to have recorded only a few lines from Mel at this stage is pathetic , and shoddy , the quality of TT s product is in the garbage , let's not give them benefit of the doubt anymore , the talented people they had have left . I don't think it's because of this interview why it's doing do bad , it's not up to sellable quality and should be recalled and refunds given ! Even calling it fan fiction is bad mouthing fans ...
Unfortunately many people including me have the season pass (for Steam you have to buy the season pass - so I have it) meaning that I have to play through the rest because I already paid for it. I won't buy their next game it these issues aren't fixed.
I've never seen this much negativeness for a game ...when your lead VA questions the quality that should tell TT something ... But it's quit… moree clear they are not listening ! .. Fans should hit them where it hurts the most ,the pocket ,and not purchase the remaining episodes until TT get there house in order . They are living off the plaudits from S1, to have recorded only a few lines from Mel at this stage is pathetic , and shoddy , the quality of TT s product is in the garbage , let's not give them benefit of the doubt anymore , the talented people they had have left . I don't think it's because of this interview why it's doing do bad , it's not up to sellable quality and should be recalled and refunds given ! Even calling it fan fiction is bad mouthing fans ...
You Seriously still dont know why they had to kill lee off. Yeesh lee was never a true main character clem was. 1st season was obviously an origin story to set us up to play the main character.... Clementine. Thought it was pretty blatant with a the lee training/hairgrooming.
Yeesh.
My initial point was that the love for a character doesn't buy them immunity. And Lee was the protagonist in season 1. Do you people not know what "main character" means?
As described by Study.com, A protagonist is a main character who generates the action of a story and engages the reader's interest and empathy. The protagonist is often the hero or heroine.
You Seriously still dont know why they had to kill lee off. Yeesh lee was never a true main character clem was. 1st season was obviously an … moreorigin story to set us up to play the main character.... Clementine. Thought it was pretty blatant with a the lee training/hairgrooming.
I honestly like that the gameplay isnt as much of a focus, although A New Frontier is definitely more of a glorified cutscene, season 1 didnt have too much gameplay either, but it felt enough, most of the time, gameplay and story doesnt get integrated very well in many games, so you get a moment of story, and then a gameplay segment, so the story gets segmented, in the Telltale style games, I dont mind there not being much gameplay, as I want to immerse myself in the story
I feel like anything I say beyond this point would just be me repeating myself but I definitely feel like there is a huge amount of issues w… moreith Telltales design process that have utterly restricted them in all regards.
One of the major issues is their absolutely terrible Engine, which is still terrible, and no doubt is an incredible hindrance in the design process for the staff on the floor. I also don't understand Telltales insistence on restricting technical and gameplay innovation. Just because they are creating a narrative focused title doesn't mean it can't have engaging gameplay, I don't understand that thinking whatsoever.
I'm still infuriated by how they split up their team and rush them to deadlines with a bunch of licensed products, when most developers are spending 3 to freaking seven years perfecting their game due to their amazing passion and talents.
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While I agree its not the game I wanted, I still think people are overreacting, yes its short, yes its mostly just QTE as opposed to season 1, but it still has some good moments, however most if not all of the good moments are when Clementine is onscreen, and the 2 moments I have enjoyed without question so far, is the flashbacks, with Clem and AJ.
God damn Telltale, why couldnt you just have continued the story with Clem and AJ instead of having to shoehorn in a new character and his family
I've never seen this much negativeness for a game ...when your lead VA questions the quality that should tell TT something ... But it's quit… moree clear they are not listening ! .. Fans should hit them where it hurts the most ,the pocket ,and not purchase the remaining episodes until TT get there house in order . They are living off the plaudits from S1, to have recorded only a few lines from Mel at this stage is pathetic , and shoddy , the quality of TT s product is in the garbage , let's not give them benefit of the doubt anymore , the talented people they had have left . I don't think it's because of this interview why it's doing do bad , it's not up to sellable quality and should be recalled and refunds given ! Even calling it fan fiction is bad mouthing fans ...
Hahah not you bro, the guy above you. either i replied to you accidently or was meant to show that i backed u up and that humoristic games are also not my cup of tea. Im with you bro, not aggressive to you. aggresive to the other guy.
wow, whats with the aggressiveness? I never said people have no sense of humor, unless you mean to reply to the person above me, all I said was that humoristic games is not very often my cup of tea
Basically I know about the story from videos and so far it's going badly. It doesn't matter if it flops or not, when I get a Xbox One in a few months, I'm definitely going to buy this game immediately. My addiction is Telltale. At their worst they still make better stories compared to most game developers out there.
Hahah not you bro, the guy above you. either i replied to you accidently or was meant to show that i backed u up and that humoristic games are also not my cup of tea. Im with you bro, not aggressive to you. aggresive to the other guy.
This is true (Although the gameplay concepts in Walking Dead were novel at the time), but I feel that if Telltale put in the effort, they could really innovate in integrating really interesting and fun gameplay into narrative storytelling.
They almost had something with Wolf Among Us, the potential to choreograph your own fight scene and dynamically make choices during it has huge potential, but sadly the later episodes didn't enhance on that idea.
As a PC player, I would also love an actual challenge, in puzzles, combat and dialogue.
I honestly like that the gameplay isnt as much of a focus, although A New Frontier is definitely more of a glorified cutscene, season 1 didn… moret have too much gameplay either, but it felt enough, most of the time, gameplay and story doesnt get integrated very well in many games, so you get a moment of story, and then a gameplay segment, so the story gets segmented, in the Telltale style games, I dont mind there not being much gameplay, as I want to immerse myself in the story
I didn't buy it for this exact reason.
Unfortunately I'm sure a lot of fans didn't want to hear spoilers and avoided reading reviews or visiting forums. I was almost on the same boat but I really didn't want to support telltale for doing what they always do, giving everyone the same story despite previous choices made. They should remove the "choices matter" tag on ANF.
I know it's hard not buying games on release but if you guys really want to be heard there is no better way than with your wallet. I know I will be doing the same when GoT S2 comes out.
I've never seen this much negativeness for a game ...when your lead VA questions the quality that should tell TT something ... But it's quit… moree clear they are not listening ! .. Fans should hit them where it hurts the most ,the pocket ,and not purchase the remaining episodes until TT get there house in order . They are living off the plaudits from S1, to have recorded only a few lines from Mel at this stage is pathetic , and shoddy , the quality of TT s product is in the garbage , let's not give them benefit of the doubt anymore , the talented people they had have left . I don't think it's because of this interview why it's doing do bad , it's not up to sellable quality and should be recalled and refunds given ! Even calling it fan fiction is bad mouthing fans ...
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To be fair, wasn't the CEO Dan Connors back then, and Kevin only took over about 3 or so years ago?
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I think that was due to the massive rewrite due to the story Tellale planned being inconsistent with the comic creators lore, so Willingham got them to adjust it.
If I recall correctly, Brannigan originally had a much bigger role, and I think I remember there being something about Bigby glamouring himself as her to infiltrate the police station. I can't remember where I heard that info though. Apologies if I'm wrong, if anyone knows a source I'd appreciate it.
I'm so happy to see TellTale finally get what they deserve after this abomination of a "TellTale Game."
Does anyone have a source?
This is incredibly interesting for me to hear, Gavin's performance was probably the best part of the otherwise horribly directed and written scene. He gave a genuine sense of emotion and parenthood to it. A sense of how they have been with each other for two years (and somehow haven't changed clothes
), how he teaches her, and expresses himself around AJ, it really was the nicest part of it.
There was also a nice touch in how, when Kenny was getting eaten, it sounded like he was holding himself back from making noise so Clementine wouldn't have to hear, grimacing all the way through, he never once actually screamed. It's a nice touch that he added.
The important thing about this is that only people who bought the game can write reviews. So most helpful is definitely more trustworthy, since people who are boycotting can upvote.
Watch Dogs 2 has "very positive" reviews, but I've seen overwhelmingly negative reactions and poor sales.
For a couple of years I just bought Hats in TF2 ... I have my rights...
Good to know I'm not the only one that spent more than I'm comfortable with on hats
I felt bad about how often I perused the steam marketplace, but then I saw how much people are buying online, and I felt a lot better O_O.
I think I saved my soul by setting a "No Unusuals", restriction on myself.
...we should make a support group.
Telltale promoting reviews between episodes is nothing new, they did it for Tales from the Borderlands, Game of Thrones, Minecraft Story Mode and Batman and other games so i think it's unlikely to be anything to do with sales.
I think they mainly do it to keep their social media account active between episodes when there is no news.
I feel like anything I say beyond this point would just be me repeating myself but I definitely feel like there is a huge amount of issues with Telltales design process that have utterly restricted them in all regards.
One of the major issues is their absolutely terrible Engine, which is still terrible, and no doubt is an incredible hindrance in the design process for the staff on the floor. I also don't understand Telltales insistence on restricting technical and gameplay innovation. Just because they are creating a narrative focused title doesn't mean it can't have engaging gameplay, I don't understand that thinking whatsoever.
I'm still infuriated by how they split up their team and rush them to deadlines with a bunch of licensed products, when most developers are spending 3 to freaking seven years perfecting their game due to their amazing passion and talents.
There is the excuse that the writers are twiddling their thumbs during the design process (which if they actually focused on allowing interesting branches of choice, they wouldn't), but then hearing this news that they haven't even written the third episode has cemented my anger and frustration.
But apparently they can still name their achievements and rigidly set a specific amount of chapters, because flexibility in creative storytelling is never allowed!
wow, whats with the aggressiveness? I never said people have no sense of humor, unless you mean to reply to the person above me, all I said was that humoristic games is not very often my cup of tea
Yes but they are both cofounders still a quote from the current CEO
They might be co founders, but that doesn't mean they're both CEO material, you know?
I'm just saying, it seems like their direction really started changing after Kevin stepped up to the plate, even if it was Kevin that originally said that quote
It's just worth mentioning that things started changing more heavily once the previous CEO stepped down, which definitely suggests something
TELLTALE
Coincidence? I think not.
Well they do have the former CEO of EA, John Riccitiello, on their board of directors.
No dialog is right. I can't even get a freaking response from Telltale support after 2 weeks.
I've never seen this much negativeness for a game ...when your lead VA questions the quality that should tell TT something ... But it's quite clear they are not listening ! .. Fans should hit them where it hurts the most ,the pocket ,and not purchase the remaining episodes until TT get there house in order . They are living off the plaudits from S1, to have recorded only a few lines from Mel at this stage is pathetic , and shoddy , the quality of TT s product is in the garbage , let's not give them benefit of the doubt anymore , the talented people they had have left . I don't think it's because of this interview why it's doing do bad , it's not up to sellable quality and should be recalled and refunds given ! Even calling it fan fiction is bad mouthing fans ...
I sadly have to 110% agree with you this new frontier is a shitty mess of poor direction
Unfortunately many people including me have the season pass (for Steam you have to buy the season pass - so I have it) meaning that I have to play through the rest because I already paid for it. I won't buy their next game it these issues aren't fixed.
You Seriously still dont know why they had to kill lee off. Yeesh lee was never a true main character clem was. 1st season was obviously an origin story to set us up to play the main character.... Clementine. Thought it was pretty blatant with a the lee training/hairgrooming.
Yeesh.
My initial point was that the love for a character doesn't buy them immunity. And Lee was the protagonist in season 1. Do you people not know what "main character" means?
As described by Study.com,
A protagonist is a main character who generates the action of a story and engages the reader's interest and empathy. The protagonist is often the hero or heroine.
Haha
That makes way too much sense.
I honestly like that the gameplay isnt as much of a focus, although A New Frontier is definitely more of a glorified cutscene, season 1 didnt have too much gameplay either, but it felt enough, most of the time, gameplay and story doesnt get integrated very well in many games, so you get a moment of story, and then a gameplay segment, so the story gets segmented, in the Telltale style games, I dont mind there not being much gameplay, as I want to immerse myself in the story
While I agree its not the game I wanted, I still think people are overreacting, yes its short, yes its mostly just QTE as opposed to season 1, but it still has some good moments, however most if not all of the good moments are when Clementine is onscreen, and the 2 moments I have enjoyed without question so far, is the flashbacks, with Clem and AJ.
God damn Telltale, why couldnt you just have continued the story with Clem and AJ instead of having to shoehorn in a new character and his family
Although S1 and S2 are far superior to Independence Day, I feel that this describes what NF feels like to me right now.
That gif is beautiful.
Forget a lucky shoe, autograph my face??
Hahah not you bro, the guy above you. either i replied to you accidently or was meant to show that i backed u up and that humoristic games are also not my cup of tea. Im with you bro, not aggressive to you. aggresive to the other guy.
Me when TT cancelled last gen for New Frontier
Me when I read these posts about the game.
Basically I know about the story from videos and so far it's going badly. It doesn't matter if it flops or not, when I get a Xbox One in a few months, I'm definitely going to buy this game immediately. My addiction is Telltale. At their worst they still make better stories compared to most game developers out there.
Hah, thats the way it sounded :P, just wanted to be sure
This is true (Although the gameplay concepts in Walking Dead were novel at the time), but I feel that if Telltale put in the effort, they could really innovate in integrating really interesting and fun gameplay into narrative storytelling.
They almost had something with Wolf Among Us, the potential to choreograph your own fight scene and dynamically make choices during it has huge potential, but sadly the later episodes didn't enhance on that idea.
As a PC player, I would also love an actual challenge, in puzzles, combat and dialogue.
I didn't buy it for this exact reason.
Unfortunately I'm sure a lot of fans didn't want to hear spoilers and avoided reading reviews or visiting forums. I was almost on the same boat but I really didn't want to support telltale for doing what they always do, giving everyone the same story despite previous choices made. They should remove the "choices matter" tag on ANF.
I know it's hard not buying games on release but if you guys really want to be heard there is no better way than with your wallet. I know I will be doing the same when GoT S2 comes out.