You don't think its horrible, but a lot of us do. That's it, right? That's fine. You were the one who went out of your way to contradict me for no reason whatsoever.
Hey, I'm calm. My bad if I come off as angry that wasn't my intention.
Sheesh can't I bring some positivity in these dark places? I'm not forcing you to feel the same as me but some people come off as incredible… more drama queens. (Not pointing at you) I should know most of the fanbase is unhappy, I'm one of them. I just don't think it's as horrible as you make it out to be. Now, let's all calm down a notch. Also that "You're wrong" comment was about TWDaze thinking I'm lying to myself, not about his opinion.
I like that settlement idea a lot, actually. Playing as Clementine and not knowing anything about the New Frontier when Ava approached us would add a lot of mystery to it, I think. It could've been up to us to decide whether or not their community is just a bunch of assholes, or whether it's truly worth sticking around in the long run. Adding that extra element might've made your choices pretty powerful, especially if you started to care for some of the people inside (such as Ava, Max, etc.)
While not absolutely hating A New Frontier so far, I cant really say that I am too thrilled either, in a way I love seeing what Clem has bec… moreome, and I feel sad when I see her breaking her hardened shell, and I get to see her old self from season 1 and 2, but I cant help but feel how much better it could have been.
As opposed to you, I havent been enjoying my time with Javiers family very much, Javier himself is an ok character, but a bit bland in my opinion, but his family, the only really likable character was Mariana, and she dead.
When I play the flashbacks however, I see the kind of game I really wanted with this, I see the happy Clem that I know, the caring Clem, and interacting with AJ (Albeit onesided) is my favorite thing in this game so far, when the girl (Ava? is that her name?) from A New Frontier arrived, I didnt hesitate to raise my gun against her, having AJ under my protection makes me not want to trust random strangers,… [view original content]
But the lack of context sends a message that the interview is not sending. Obviously, I am not expecting you to type out the whole interview, but you are cherry-picking. The only thing she really complains about is the length. She mentions things be re-recorded and things being cut, but that is very common for video games.
I typed up probably 85% of the entire interview, leaving out the nonsense and some unfunny jokes. I picked out the important ones, and thos… moree are the important ones. Anyone can feel free to listen to the interview. It's not out of context. The only editing I did of the quotes was I removed some of their stuttering and awkward pauses (there were a lot) to make the transcript easier to read. Whether people listen to it or read the transcript, they will still feel the same way about the interview and episodes.
Did the best I could to shorten it to it's readable, and in order to do that I had to write the important stuff. My intention wasn't to cherry-pick Really the things I left out are not worth reading.
But the lack of context sends a message that the interview is not sending. Obviously, I am not expecting you to type out the whole interview… more, but you are cherry-picking. The only thing she really complains about is the length. She mentions things be re-recorded and things being cut, but that is very common for video games.
You don't think its horrible, but a lot of us do. That's it, right? That's fine. You were the one who went out of your way to contradict me for no reason whatsoever.
Hey, I'm calm. My bad if I come off as angry that wasn't my intention.
I expressed how I felt about the game-which is a matter of opinions. He came out of nowhere and contradicted me when there really isn't a right or wrong. If that isn't forcing your way of thinking on other people then I don't know what is. If you don't agree with something and don't be to be accused of such thing, just let it be.
When did he try to force his opinion on you? He simply gave his opinion on the matter, yet you came and started saying lies about how he's trying to force people to like ANF. He didn't.
Did the best I could to shorten it to it's readable, and in order to do that I had to write the important stuff. My intention wasn't to cherry-pick Really the things I left out are not worth reading.
You're exaggerating now. It hasn't been horrible, just not up to our expectations.
That's not forcing his opinion on him, that's trying to claim the expression of his opinion is not what he is saying. By saying it hasn't been horrible, he's making an objective statement on an opinion adjective. Rather to say it correctly he should've said: "You think it's horrible, I don't"
Anyone can form their own opinion and claim something to be horrible, good, great, bad, or dissapointing, etc, when a show like ANF doesn't meet their expectations of quality.
When did he try to force his opinion on you? He simply gave his opinion on the matter, yet you came and started saying lies about how he's trying to force people to like ANF. He didn't.
I'm not really good at this, but I'd say about a 3. The only positives I took from the game so far are Clementine's evolving character and Javier as a protagonist.
Yes, he definitely could have worded that better. If he would have have said something like 'I personally think it isn't' and given his reasons why instead of just saying "Its not" that would have been a completely different situation.
As it turns out, he didn't, so I took it the only way I could.
You're exaggerating now. It hasn't been horrible, just not up to our expectations.
That's not forcing his opinion on him, that's try… moreing to claim the expression of his opinion is not what he is saying. By saying it hasn't been horrible, he's making an objective statement on an opinion adjective. Rather to say it correctly he should've said: "You think it's horrible, I don't"
Anyone can form their own opinion and claim something to be horrible, good, great, bad, or dissapointing, etc, when a show like ANF doesn't meet their expectations of quality.
Especially considering that quite alot of us went down a little darker road with Clem in season 2 than with Lee in season 1, it could be interesting to see, how far people are willing to go for survival in the New Frontier, my season 2 Clem was not nearly as optimistic or nice as Lee was in season 1, but she still had a good heart, whenever possible and appropriate, I was nice to people, but not afraid to voice my opinion on the bleakness, or shoot people when they turned.
It could be interesting to see how far down that road we were willing to go, and see when we think we were going too far, is killing people too far? is torturing people too far to go for survival? is extorting other communities for supplies too far? I see alot of potential to test peoples morals in a world such as The Walking Dead
I like that settlement idea a lot, actually. Playing as Clementine and not knowing anything about the New Frontier when Ava approached us wo… moreuld add a lot of mystery to it, I think. It could've been up to us to decide whether or not their community is just a bunch of assholes, or whether it's truly worth sticking around in the long run. Adding that extra element might've made your choices pretty powerful, especially if you started to care for some of the people inside (such as Ava, Max, etc.)
I don't know why TT is catering to new fans. This isn't a Call of Duty or Battlefield or sports game that you can jump into at any time. It'… mores a STORY GAME. Imagine if the show was at Season 3 and they killed off Rick and Daryl just so that the new fans wouldn't be lost.
Here's a great idea. Newcomers should start with Season 1 like everyone else had to and then start Season 3. Did I start with Mass Effect 3 to get into the series ? No. Did I start with season 3 of Breaking Bad ? No.
I think Telltale thought a lot of new players would join in - not sure why, because 95% are returning players (pretty much reinforced by the end stats of each episode).
Its just a bad attempt at attracting new fans while still trying to retain the old fans, which results in old fans leaving, and not very man… morey new fans coming in, at least thats what I think. The story is just all over the place now, and the supposed "terrible sad death" of Mariana did not touch me in the least, considering she had like what? 10 lines in the whole game?, the most emotional moments so far has been when Clems hardened facade has cracked and you can tell the sadness in her, for example in episode 2 when she says "having other people is nice but.." and then proceeds to almost whimper "It always ends up hurting in the end", that shit broke my heart, I just hate being this stranger to Clem, I want to comfort her, I want to make her better, because I know what she has been through, but Javier dont, so he cant help her, at least not yet.
I feel like they have really stretched out the middle finger to their fans on this one (and thi… [view original content]
Sheesh can't I bring some positivity in these dark places? I'm not forcing you to feel the same as me but some people come off as incredible… more drama queens. (Not pointing at you) I should know most of the fanbase is unhappy, I'm one of them. I just don't think it's as horrible as you make it out to be. Now, let's all calm down a notch. Also that "You're wrong" comment was about TWDaze thinking I'm lying to myself, not about his opinion.
Yeah, its a pretty specialized game already, not like the more popular games that are alot more open and varied, its quite a feat that The Walking Dead got so popular actually I think, (if it stood to me, the only games being made should be those with a heavy focus on story, worldbuilding dialogue and characters, because those games are really interesting, but ALOT of people dont like those types of games)
I think Telltale thought a lot of new players would join in - not sure why, because 95% are returning players (pretty much reinforced by the end stats of each episode).
Wow! Melissa Hutchinson is expressing disappointment from the developers.
Does this mean Telltale will finally listen and come to their … moresenses? Revamping Season 3 maybe asking much, but if its possible?
Also, I'd like to hear what Christine Lakin, has to say about it as well.
Oh, for sure! That'd make some pretty awesome character development for Clem, too - seeing how far she's really willing to go after all the things people have taught her, and all the horibble stuff she's had to go through. And judging by how she reacted during the bar scene in episode 1, I don't think having her doing some rather... "questionable" things would be really out of character for her.
It'd be awesome to see which boundaries she's really not willing to cross though, too. With what you were saying before, maybe extorting a community for supplies would be alright, but killing people or torture would be destroying her inside. Or maybe somebody's version of Clem has just struggled to keep her moral compass going and is now just doing all of this stuff out of necessity!
Having a good heart for her, like you mentioned, would still make her redeemable though, I think. I'd like to believe that even with everything she's had to do, some of the old Clem hasn't completely withered away.
Especially considering that quite alot of us went down a little darker road with Clem in season 2 than with Lee in season 1, it could be int… moreeresting to see, how far people are willing to go for survival in the New Frontier, my season 2 Clem was not nearly as optimistic or nice as Lee was in season 1, but she still had a good heart, whenever possible and appropriate, I was nice to people, but not afraid to voice my opinion on the bleakness, or shoot people when they turned.
It could be interesting to see how far down that road we were willing to go, and see when we think we were going too far, is killing people too far? is torturing people too far to go for survival? is extorting other communities for supplies too far? I see alot of potential to test peoples morals in a world such as The Walking Dead
Have you seen the sales? Michonne did awful. You know what did worse than Michonne? Batman. You know what's doing worse than Batman? Sea… moreson 3. It was doing good until the sales actually started going down due to returns. S2 had way more sales in its first week than Season 3 these last three weeks combined.
I had some interesting ideas for this game too. It's bad when Big Rig and I could write a better story in half an hour than what we got in S… more2 and such. Some people on here are in denial and make excuses for TT. I genuinely think that some people on here are shellshocked because they will make an excuse for TT for any reason. I even told Blind Sniper when he said "Let's be nice to staff members" in my own words "TT needs to stop thinking of this like a game. That new PR person needs to copy and paste some of this stuff to TT. Their behavior lately reminds me of EA and Activision, it's sickening. They need to reward the fans with quality and care that we got in Season 1."
Melissa: "Yeah I have recorded one scene thus far but we went into the studio and they said "this will probably get totally rewritten, but w… moreere gonna go ahead and record this anyways. I wish I could tell you what its about.... (the scene)."
This will probably get totally rewritten, but we're gonna go ahead and record this anyways.
You have got to be kidding me, Telltale.
This company does not give one good god damn about us or our complaints. They are after new money and new players. As long as they get good reviews and can tweet out meaningless accolades this series will only suffer
Wow! Melissa Hutchinson is expressing disappointment from the developers.
Does this mean Telltale will finally listen and come to their … moresenses? Revamping Season 3 maybe asking much, but if its possible?
Also, I'd like to hear what Christine Lakin, has to say about it as well.
On IGN the episodes were about 7.5/10. I don't know what reviews TT looks at for decisions, and I also don't know what threshold is too low to continue in the same direction.
Honestly, seeing their past few games, I don't think I'll buy Guardians of the Galaxy. I bought pretty much every Telltale game since TWD: S1 and after. We need to stop giving them money so they realise... it's time to change and fix everything.
I could just watch the same thing - no differences whatsoever legally for free on YouTube because choices don't do shit anymore. At least Season 1 had pretty much three different playstyles and characters would actually remember stuff you did/said.
I don't understand how Wolf Among Us, Back to the Future, Michonne, Walking Dead S1, Minecraft, Batman, and Jurassic Park all had characters… more that I loved and a story that was incredible, yet Season 2 of Walking Dead, New Frontier, and Game of Thrones was f'd.
We need to get the old writers back.
Who else is not excited for Guardians of the Galaxy ?
The hollowness in me just kept increasing after this interview.
I don't know if Melissa might get fired for this, she just expressed her disappointment for this "company".
Also the interview hosts are so uninformed about this season and so wussy it's cringy.
"Oh Clem gets a scar?! She really went through a lot." (What?!), "He reminds me of Lee. [Dead silence]", "Clem sure changed [Melissa sighs loudly]", "I'm not ready to kill Conrad as Javi boohoo. [You are in 4 fucking years of the apocalypse, why the fuck not]", "After the New Frontier she was probably forced to do dirty stuff & that's why she is so resisting meeting new people [what the fuck!?!]", "You know she doesn't like TNF [Well no shit]", 'She went through a lot [not inserted why/how she changed]" x 10 times repeated, they sound so high too.
There are actually a few scenes in A New Frontier where you can see the old Clem shine through, especially in the flashbacks, but when you talk to her when you get stuck because of the car in the tunnel in episode 2, she will say something like "Dont get me wrong, having people is nice but.." and then go on to almost whimper, "But it always ends up hurting in the end", to me, thats a really strong moment, and it really broke my heart, because its a moment where Clems hardened "facade" so to speak breaks, and her emotion gets the better of her, I just wish I could hug her , but playing as Javier, thats not possible because he doesnt know her history like we do
Oh, for sure! That'd make some pretty awesome character development for Clem, too - seeing how far she's really willing to go after all the … morethings people have taught her, and all the horibble stuff she's had to go through. And judging by how she reacted during the bar scene in episode 1, I don't think having her doing some rather... "questionable" things would be really out of character for her.
It'd be awesome to see which boundaries she's really not willing to cross though, too. With what you were saying before, maybe extorting a community for supplies would be alright, but killing people or torture would be destroying her inside. Or maybe somebody's version of Clem has just struggled to keep her moral compass going and is now just doing all of this stuff out of necessity!
Having a good heart for her, like you mentioned, would still make her redeemable though, I think. I'd like to believe that even with everything she's had to do, some of the old Clem hasn't completely withered away.
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You don't think its horrible, but a lot of us do. That's it, right? That's fine. You were the one who went out of your way to contradict me for no reason whatsoever.
Hey, I'm calm. My bad if I come off as angry that wasn't my intention.
I like that settlement idea a lot, actually. Playing as Clementine and not knowing anything about the New Frontier when Ava approached us would add a lot of mystery to it, I think. It could've been up to us to decide whether or not their community is just a bunch of assholes, or whether it's truly worth sticking around in the long run. Adding that extra element might've made your choices pretty powerful, especially if you started to care for some of the people inside (such as Ava, Max, etc.)
But the lack of context sends a message that the interview is not sending. Obviously, I am not expecting you to type out the whole interview, but you are cherry-picking. The only thing she really complains about is the length. She mentions things be re-recorded and things being cut, but that is very common for video games.
Did the best I could to shorten it to it's readable, and in order to do that I had to write the important stuff. My intention wasn't to cherry-pick Really the things I left out are not worth reading.
That's one very specific guess.
Soo, on a scale from 1 to 10, how would you rate Ties that Bind? Sorry, I'm kinda lost on in what category "horrible" belongs.
I expressed how I felt about the game-which is a matter of opinions. He came out of nowhere and contradicted me when there really isn't a right or wrong. If that isn't forcing your way of thinking on other people then I don't know what is. If you don't agree with something and don't be to be accused of such thing, just let it be.
I know; I'm not trying to blame or insult you. But the lack of context makes her sound more negative than she actually is.
That's not forcing his opinion on him, that's trying to claim the expression of his opinion is not what he is saying. By saying it hasn't been horrible, he's making an objective statement on an opinion adjective. Rather to say it correctly he should've said: "You think it's horrible, I don't"
Anyone can form their own opinion and claim something to be horrible, good, great, bad, or dissapointing, etc, when a show like ANF doesn't meet their expectations of quality.
I'm not really good at this, but I'd say about a 3. The only positives I took from the game so far are Clementine's evolving character and Javier as a protagonist.
Yes, he definitely could have worded that better. If he would have have said something like 'I personally think it isn't' and given his reasons why instead of just saying "Its not" that would have been a completely different situation.
As it turns out, he didn't, so I took it the only way I could.
Thanks for the big laugh. Needed that, hahaha.
Especially considering that quite alot of us went down a little darker road with Clem in season 2 than with Lee in season 1, it could be interesting to see, how far people are willing to go for survival in the New Frontier, my season 2 Clem was not nearly as optimistic or nice as Lee was in season 1, but she still had a good heart, whenever possible and appropriate, I was nice to people, but not afraid to voice my opinion on the bleakness, or shoot people when they turned.
It could be interesting to see how far down that road we were willing to go, and see when we think we were going too far, is killing people too far? is torturing people too far to go for survival? is extorting other communities for supplies too far? I see alot of potential to test peoples morals in a world such as The Walking Dead
You mean what's already happened?
I hope they actually fix the problems now. This better be a wake up call for them.
Petition for Melissa to change her name to Clemelissa.
Wow! Melissa Hutchinson is expressing disappointment from the developers.
Does this mean Telltale will finally listen and come to their senses? Revamping Season 3 maybe asking much, but if its possible?
Also, I'd like to hear what Christine Lakin, has to say about it as well.
I think that's the best thing I've heard all day.
Not everyone has $50 to spare in video games.
Preach!
I think Telltale thought a lot of new players would join in - not sure why, because 95% are returning players (pretty much reinforced by the end stats of each episode).
These are dark times, I fear.
Yeah, its a pretty specialized game already, not like the more popular games that are alot more open and varied, its quite a feat that The Walking Dead got so popular actually I think, (if it stood to me, the only games being made should be those with a heavy focus on story, worldbuilding dialogue and characters, because those games are really interesting, but ALOT of people dont like those types of games)
Telltale are a little bit too concerned with what the mainstream thinks right now which has mostly been positive or at least neutral.
lol i know right
So...will they finally listen?
Forgive me, I"m just confused by what you're saying.
Oh, for sure! That'd make some pretty awesome character development for Clem, too - seeing how far she's really willing to go after all the things people have taught her, and all the horibble stuff she's had to go through. And judging by how she reacted during the bar scene in episode 1, I don't think having her doing some rather... "questionable" things would be really out of character for her.
It'd be awesome to see which boundaries she's really not willing to cross though, too. With what you were saying before, maybe extorting a community for supplies would be alright, but killing people or torture would be destroying her inside. Or maybe somebody's version of Clem has just struggled to keep her moral compass going and is now just doing all of this stuff out of necessity!
Having a good heart for her, like you mentioned, would still make her redeemable though, I think. I'd like to believe that even with everything she's had to do, some of the old Clem hasn't completely withered away.
Good. I hope they now realise they need to change, or most fans will leave.
They probably won't since they didn't really seem to learn anything from the flaws of S2 since that got a mostly positive response.
It looks like...
fame got to their heads.
Though, it's not fame in this case. It's money and the fact that they're more well known.
Seems like they don't even know what direction Season 3 is heading in.
Oh, I see.
(Sigh) What can we do?
This company does not give one good god damn about us or our complaints. They are after new money and new players. As long as they get good reviews and can tweet out meaningless accolades this series will only suffer
On IGN the episodes were about 7.5/10. I don't know what reviews TT looks at for decisions, and I also don't know what threshold is too low to continue in the same direction.
Look around... most people are disappointed - even the voice actor for the main goddamn character!
Wow all this criticism (which i do agree with)just came out of the wood works the moment this interview got posted didn't we.
From the words of Sean Connery's Malone from The Untouchables: "And what are we prepared to do about it?!"
Honestly, seeing their past few games, I don't think I'll buy Guardians of the Galaxy. I bought pretty much every Telltale game since TWD: S1 and after. We need to stop giving them money so they realise... it's time to change and fix everything.
I could just watch the same thing - no differences whatsoever legally for free on YouTube because choices don't do shit anymore. At least Season 1 had pretty much three different playstyles and characters would actually remember stuff you did/said.
The hollowness in me just kept increasing after this interview.
I don't know if Melissa might get fired for this, she just expressed her disappointment for this "company".
Also the interview hosts are so uninformed about this season and so wussy it's cringy.
"Oh Clem gets a scar?! She really went through a lot." (What?!), "He reminds me of Lee. [Dead silence]", "Clem sure changed [Melissa sighs loudly]", "I'm not ready to kill Conrad as Javi boohoo. [You are in 4 fucking years of the apocalypse, why the fuck not]", "After the New Frontier she was probably forced to do dirty stuff & that's why she is so resisting meeting new people [what the fuck!?!]", "You know she doesn't like TNF [Well no shit]", 'She went through a lot [not inserted why/how she changed]" x 10 times repeated, they sound so high too.
There are actually a few scenes in A New Frontier where you can see the old Clem shine through, especially in the flashbacks, but when you talk to her when you get stuck because of the car in the tunnel in episode 2, she will say something like "Dont get me wrong, having people is nice but.." and then go on to almost whimper, "But it always ends up hurting in the end", to me, thats a really strong moment, and it really broke my heart, because its a moment where Clems hardened "facade" so to speak breaks, and her emotion gets the better of her, I just wish I could hug her
, but playing as Javier, thats not possible because he doesnt know her history like we do 