I think they would still argue and not get along, but I don't think that their dislike for each other would get to the point where they'd leave the other one to die.
You can, she say "you're just like him". With her history, it's not the best argument possible, she know that you can mean well but still ending up hurting someone (she seems regretful of being petty to her sister before the apocalypse).
The reverse might have worked though, Kenny calmed down if you tell him to give her a chance. Maybe he would have relucantly try to have a real dialog and respect if Clem said Jane was like a sister.
And if Kenny made that first step, I don't think Jane would have stayed long on the idea that Clem couldn't bring him back, she can be pragmatic.
And now that I think about it, if they had managed to not kill each other before Jane finding out she was pregnant, their relationship would have probably improved after that because Jane would have to trust Kenny on baby stuff, and Kenny seem to be ready to sacrifice himself for future mothers and suicidal people, that could actually have been sweet
I think that if Clem took an opportunity to tell Jane that Kenny is basically family, then she might not have judged him so harshly and tried to push a confrontation at the rest stop.
I'd like to raise the question of where the fuck the "hatchet" came from in the first place?
She fucked Luke, which Kenny was reasonably (for once) agitated about largely because of Luke leaving his post like an idiot. She left and came back, saving Kenny from being capped; then from there, the shit between them was a constantly head-butting rivalry which never made sense.
He didn't like her cause she was untrustworthy, but I didn't hear him say this at any point before the events of her literally returning to save the group... which is the exact opposite of an untrustworthy and deceitful action for anyone to take. He never heard of her "abandoning" her sister, and he seemed unaffected by her presence entirely up until her return, not even a peep about her letting Troy get devoured.
Kenny was assertive and Jane was a non-conformist.
Kenny is not what I would consider assertive. In all truth, his murder of William Carver and violence toward Arvo are what I would call "non-conformist."
They were two different people. Kenny was more traditional, while Jane was... well, Jane.
When they had an idea, they'd stick with it. Kenny was assertive and Jane was a non-conformist. They were never going to agree on anything.
Many think that if Kenny wasn't beating Arvo around, he'd not have freaked out and wouldn't have run away, not causing the frozen lake to give in and causing his and Bonnie's death (determinant)
Clem: Umm... Jane? I don't know how to tell you this, but uhh... you got a little something there... in your face.
Jane: D-don't be silly! I feel fine!
xD
Kenny was assertive and Jane was a non-conformist.
Kenny is not what I would consider assertive. In all truth, his murder of William Carver and violence toward Arvo are what I would call "non-conformist."
I can't remember exactly where I heard this from, but a lot of people seemed to think that Jane wasn't supposed to come back in the last episode at all (not that I minded when she did), but after people started predicting that the final decision was going to go down to Luke vs. Kenny, they wanted to make it so it wasn't quite so obvious by the end. You're right though, the rivalry just kind of appeared out of thin air, and really wasn't developed enough to be considered believable.
That seems to be happening a lot lately, but anyway...
I honestly think the developers wanted to force the conflict on us to throw in a twist, and hope that nobody really noticed that they gutted the original idea. And yeah, for all that supposed "tension" they were feeling towards each other, I think they might've just distrusted each other at best, and not try to go all Mortal Kombat on each other.
I'd like to raise the question of where the fuck the "hatchet" came from in the first place?
She fucked Luke, which Kenny was reasonably … more(for once) agitated about largely because of Luke leaving his post like an idiot. She left and came back, saving Kenny from being capped; then from there, the shit between them was a constantly head-butting rivalry which never made sense.
He didn't like her cause she was untrustworthy, but I didn't hear him say this at any point before the events of her literally returning to save the group... which is the exact opposite of an untrustworthy and deceitful action for anyone to take. He never heard of her "abandoning" her sister, and he seemed unaffected by her presence entirely up until her return, not even a peep about her letting Troy get devoured.
I can't remember exactly where I heard this from, but a lot of people seemed to think that Jane wasn't supposed to come back in the last epi… moresode at all (not that I minded when she did), but after people started predicting that the final decision was going to go down to Luke vs. Kenny, they wanted to make it so it wasn't quite so obvious by the end. You're right though, the rivalry just kind of appeared out of thin air, and really wasn't developed enough to be considered believable.
That seems to be happening a lot lately, but anyway...
I honestly think the developers wanted to force the conflict on us to throw in a twist, and hope that nobody really noticed that they gutted the original idea. And yeah, for all that supposed "tension" they were feeling towards each other, I think they might've just distrusted each other at best, and not try to go all Mortal Kombat on each other.
Jane's a f@$%ing bitch! She was only trying to manipulate Clem for her own personal gain! It's her fault she got pregnant and killed herself, hur-dee-dee!
Jane's a f@$%ing bitch! She was only trying to manipulate Clem for her own personal gain! It's her fault she got pregnant and killed herself, hur-dee-dee!
When do you say that dialogue? I thought Jane said that to Clem if you defend Kenny during the argument in the truck.
I agree that their relationship would have changed for the better if they found out Jane was pregnant. Kenny would totally have softened up on her and made her safety a priority. Jane would see this and see Kenny more as a good man and less like Carver. Sad to think about the what ifs.
You can, she say "you're just like him". With her history, it's not the best argument possible, she know that you can mean well but still en… moreding up hurting someone (she seems regretful of being petty to her sister before the apocalypse).
The reverse might have worked though, Kenny calmed down if you tell him to give her a chance. Maybe he would have relucantly try to have a real dialog and respect if Clem said Jane was like a sister.
And if Kenny made that first step, I don't think Jane would have stayed long on the idea that Clem couldn't bring him back, she can be pragmatic.
And now that I think about it, if they had managed to not kill each other before Jane finding out she was pregnant, their relationship would have probably improved after that because Jane would have to trust Kenny on baby stuff, and Kenny seem to be ready to sacrifice himself for future mothers and suicidal people, that could actually have been sweet
They seemed to be on okay terms in the car before the ridiculous argument happened. I honestly don't know, they both had very different mindsets and ways of doing things. Maybe they would've at least come to tolerate each other.
Oh for sure! I honestly wouldn't expect them to become friends or even like each other after that, but maybe trying to put their differences aside would at least keep them from going for round two.
I'd think they'd probably need a restraining order against each other for the first couple of months, though. At least 40 paces away from each other at all times
They seemed to be on okay terms in the car before the ridiculous argument happened. I honestly don't know, they both had very different mindsets and ways of doing things. Maybe they would've at least come to tolerate each other.
Nah, I was just kidding obviously.. But seriously now. I don't think that could've worked. Since Kenny easily dislikes someone who doesn't side him (Same with Season 1) And Kenny is the opposite to Jane. They have completely different mindsets and think very differently. The only thing in common they had was that they both loved Clementine and it wasn't enough as you could see..
Sorry It's hard to gauge people's reactions on here sometimes. Maybe it wouldn't have worked out, and by the end they'd probably just be like "screw it". I'd like to think that they'd have at least learned from the fight, though, and not try to brutalize each other for Clem's sake, anyway. That'd be a pretty tough choice, having to choose between the two of them (or going it alone) and leaving somebody feeling a little neglected.
Nah, I was just kidding obviously.. But seriously now. I don't think that could've worked. Since Kenny easily dislikes someone who doesn't s… moreide him (Same with Season 1) And Kenny is the opposite to Jane. They have completely different mindsets and think very differently. The only thing in common they had was that they both loved Clementine and it wasn't enough as you could see..
Jane would find a way how to deal with her pregnancy and Kenny would become a cool one-eyed leader.
You think at some point when Kenny helps Jane with her baby, building a community, and raising Clem/AJ for two year that Kenny will consider Jane as family because of the bond that he will have with her baby?
I think that this was absolutely possible. Both of them had their best interest of keeping AJ and Clem alive at heart, but they were disagre… moreeing on how to deal with the situation they're in. If they would somehow avoid that extreme situation they would probably reach Wellington. Then, they would turn around and leave with supplies in order to go back to Howe's where they would rebuild the place and maybe would start their own community out there. Clem would take care of AJ, Jane would find a way how to deal with her pregnancy and Kenny would become a cool one-eyed leader.
Then, by S3 writers logic TNF would come and destroy the community, Kenny would teach Clem how to drive while Jane would sit with AJ on back seat. Then that crash would happen and them both would heroically die by shouting "Not today you sunovabitches" as Clem runs away.
Oh, you're right, sorry, I still think it was the closest thing to the answer she would have given though. And I think she already knew that Kenny was like family, she said that Clem is the only person he trust.
When do you say that dialogue? I thought Jane said that to Clem if you defend Kenny during the argument in the truck.
I agree that their … morerelationship would have changed for the better if they found out Jane was pregnant. Kenny would totally have softened up on her and made her safety a priority. Jane would see this and see Kenny more as a good man and less like Carver. Sad to think about the what ifs.
Kenny was assertive and Jane was a non-conformist.
Kenny is not what I would consider assertive. In all truth, his murder of William Carver and violence toward Arvo are what I would call "non-conformist."
More likely, yeah. For some time. But they would butt heads sooner or later. They had quite the opposite personalities and saw the world differently. I think they would argue over how to take care of Clementine.
More likely, yeah. For some time. But they would butt heads sooner or later. They had quite the opposite personalities and saw the world differently. I think they would argue over how to take care of Clementine.
I found the whole thing really forced and shoehorned and just there for the pointless finale. I don't understand why Telltale insist on these loose shoehorned type of rivalries.
I think they would still argue and not get along, but I don't think that their dislike for each other would get to the point where they'd leave the other one to die.
He didn't like her cause she was untrustworthy, but I didn't hear him say this at any point before the events of her literally returning to save the group... which is the exact opposite of an untrustworthy and deceitful action for anyone to take. He never heard of her "abandoning" her sister, and he seemed unaffected by her presence entirely up until her return, not even a peep about her letting Troy get devoured.
Hence a major reason why the handling of things like the Sarah situation and to a lesser extent the Russians being pissed off felt like a slap in the face to me. You have actual reasons for the entire group(but Kenny in particular) to be a bit begrudging of letting Jane and Arvo into the group established by previous episodes and then you somehow don't use most of them to give your premise weight.
I'd like to raise the question of where the fuck the "hatchet" came from in the first place?
She fucked Luke, which Kenny was reasonably … more(for once) agitated about largely because of Luke leaving his post like an idiot. She left and came back, saving Kenny from being capped; then from there, the shit between them was a constantly head-butting rivalry which never made sense.
He didn't like her cause she was untrustworthy, but I didn't hear him say this at any point before the events of her literally returning to save the group... which is the exact opposite of an untrustworthy and deceitful action for anyone to take. He never heard of her "abandoning" her sister, and he seemed unaffected by her presence entirely up until her return, not even a peep about her letting Troy get devoured.
Jane attempted an apology in the car before the walker/gas distraction and that might've relieved some of the tension. but even then, they were too different. some people just don't get along no matter what and they fall into that category.
Totally, they're adults, and didn't hate each other. Just like you said, with Jane " sorry " and Kenny worried about she getting hurt.
Everything happened for the drama, guys.
It all starts with Luke's desnecessary death, his death was there just to lead to this ( also, I didn't really saw him as the ultimate friend/caretaker of clem at the time, I didn't care for him at all ).
Like other people said, Kenny and Jane " never " really interacted with each other, it was just forced and too fast paced, because ep 5 had rewrites like the usual, we all know.
If telltale didn't forced this end season drama, death and multiple ending thing ( I mean, we all know it doens't matter anyway, look at the retard flashbacks lol ), it would lead to something so much bigger and better than the actual season 3.
Also, Clementine not being able to shot as a warning or shot Kenny in somewhere not fatal just sucks.
For the drama value, episode 5 is okay, and I would be lying if I say I didn't like it, but I would be lying to myself if I said it was flawless. Season 2 had so many forced plots and bad writting ( Bad Russians, Carver potencial wasted, Amid The Ruins... ) and yet I loved it, lol.
That's true. They were hardly ever on the same page, except for the one time when they planned on escaping Howe's using the walker guts as cover. It might've been interesting to play as Clementine and try to get them to see each other's points of view, but like it or not, she's still a child herself. It probably would've been a difficult situation to be placed in.
I guess the next best thing would be for them to just cut ties and head out on their own again, with Clem caught in the middle of who to go with They both clearly care about the girl, and one side would definitely be crushed.
Jane attempted an apology in the car before the walker/gas distraction and that might've relieved some of the tension. but even then, they were too different. some people just don't get along no matter what and they fall into that category.
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I'd like to think so, too
They're both capable survivors in their own right, but both of them I think kind of lost themselves somewhere along the way.
You can, she say "you're just like him". With her history, it's not the best argument possible, she know that you can mean well but still ending up hurting someone (she seems regretful of being petty to her sister before the apocalypse).
The reverse might have worked though, Kenny calmed down if you tell him to give her a chance. Maybe he would have relucantly try to have a real dialog and respect if Clem said Jane was like a sister.
And if Kenny made that first step, I don't think Jane would have stayed long on the idea that Clem couldn't bring him back, she can be pragmatic.
And now that I think about it, if they had managed to not kill each other before Jane finding out she was pregnant, their relationship would have probably improved after that because Jane would have to trust Kenny on baby stuff, and Kenny seem to be ready to sacrifice himself for future mothers and suicidal people, that could actually have been sweet
I'd like to raise the question of where the fuck the "hatchet" came from in the first place?
She fucked Luke, which Kenny was reasonably (for once) agitated about largely because of Luke leaving his post like an idiot. She left and came back, saving Kenny from being capped; then from there, the shit between them was a constantly head-butting rivalry which never made sense.
He didn't like her cause she was untrustworthy, but I didn't hear him say this at any point before the events of her literally returning to save the group... which is the exact opposite of an untrustworthy and deceitful action for anyone to take. He never heard of her "abandoning" her sister, and he seemed unaffected by her presence entirely up until her return, not even a peep about her letting Troy get devoured.
Kenny is not what I would consider assertive. In all truth, his murder of William Carver and violence toward Arvo are what I would call "non-conformist."
The ice on which Luke fell had been shattered by Clementine before Arvo started running, so that was not Kenny's responsability.
“I haven't been sleeping well lately.”
Perhaps they could get along if they resided in a community.
Anywhere else—with children under their charge—definitely not.
That'd certainly make things a lot easier, especially if they didn't have to be in the same room as each other all the time.
I honestly think they could.
In a perfect happy world, Kenny and Jane would get together and be with Clementine and AJ. One big happy family.
Well, to conform is to follow. Kenny was never a follower; he started ideas.
I can't remember exactly where I heard this from, but a lot of people seemed to think that Jane wasn't supposed to come back in the last episode at all (not that I minded when she did), but after people started predicting that the final decision was going to go down to Luke vs. Kenny, they wanted to make it so it wasn't quite so obvious by the end. You're right though, the rivalry just kind of appeared out of thin air, and really wasn't developed enough to be considered believable.
That seems to be happening a lot lately, but anyway...
I honestly think the developers wanted to force the conflict on us to throw in a twist, and hope that nobody really noticed that they gutted the original idea. And yeah, for all that supposed "tension" they were feeling towards each other, I think they might've just distrusted each other at best, and not try to go all Mortal Kombat on each other.
Just goes to show how absolutely inept and awful No Going Back is.
I think I might have that image burned into my mind now, thanks
I actually didn't mind it at the time, but after letting it sink in for a while and replaying it a bunch of times, the plot feels pretty disjointed.
That's a kind way of putting it, my way of putting it would be peefuckpoopyballs.
Haha alright, I suppose that works too xD
Jane's a f@$%ing bitch! She was only trying to manipulate Clem for her own personal gain! It's her fault she got pregnant and killed herself, hur-dee-dee!
Cute.
When do you say that dialogue? I thought Jane said that to Clem if you defend Kenny during the argument in the truck.
I agree that their relationship would have changed for the better if they found out Jane was pregnant. Kenny would totally have softened up on her and made her safety a priority. Jane would see this and see Kenny more as a good man and less like Carver. Sad to think about the what ifs.
They seemed to be on okay terms in the car before the ridiculous argument happened. I honestly don't know, they both had very different mindsets and ways of doing things. Maybe they would've at least come to tolerate each other.
Oh for sure! I honestly wouldn't expect them to become friends or even like each other after that, but maybe trying to put their differences aside would at least keep them from going for round two.
I'd think they'd probably need a restraining order against each other for the first couple of months, though. At least 40 paces away from each other at all times
Nah, I was just kidding obviously.. But seriously now. I don't think that could've worked. Since Kenny easily dislikes someone who doesn't side him (Same with Season 1) And Kenny is the opposite to Jane. They have completely different mindsets and think very differently. The only thing in common they had was that they both loved Clementine and it wasn't enough as you could see..
Sorry
It's hard to gauge people's reactions on here sometimes. Maybe it wouldn't have worked out, and by the end they'd probably just be like "screw it". I'd like to think that they'd have at least learned from the fight, though, and not try to brutalize each other for Clem's sake, anyway. That'd be a pretty tough choice, having to choose between the two of them (or going it alone) and leaving somebody feeling a little neglected.
You think at some point when Kenny helps Jane with her baby, building a community, and raising Clem/AJ for two year that Kenny will consider Jane as family because of the bond that he will have with her baby?
Oh, you're right, sorry, I still think it was the closest thing to the answer she would have given though. And I think she already knew that Kenny was like family, she said that Clem is the only person he trust.
What?
I think assertive is a good way to describe him to be honest
No, because of AJ's existence.
So if he wasn't there, do you think it might've worked out eventually?
More likely, yeah. For some time. But they would butt heads sooner or later. They had quite the opposite personalities and saw the world differently. I think they would argue over how to take care of Clementine.
Meanwhile she'd probably be looking more mature than the both of them combined xD
Basically an extension of capitalizing on Kenny's nostalgia based popularity.
Um....
Since neither of them really listened to each other, I doubt it. It just seemed like a tug of war for control.
Hence a major reason why the handling of things like the Sarah situation and to a lesser extent the Russians being pissed off felt like a slap in the face to me. You have actual reasons for the entire group(but Kenny in particular) to be a bit begrudging of letting Jane and Arvo into the group established by previous episodes and then you somehow don't use most of them to give your premise weight.
Jane attempted an apology in the car before the walker/gas distraction and that might've relieved some of the tension. but even then, they were too different. some people just don't get along no matter what and they fall into that category.
Totally, they're adults, and didn't hate each other. Just like you said, with Jane " sorry " and Kenny worried about she getting hurt.
Everything happened for the drama, guys.
It all starts with Luke's desnecessary death, his death was there just to lead to this ( also, I didn't really saw him as the ultimate friend/caretaker of clem at the time, I didn't care for him at all ).
Like other people said, Kenny and Jane " never " really interacted with each other, it was just forced and too fast paced, because ep 5 had rewrites like the usual, we all know.
If telltale didn't forced this end season drama, death and multiple ending thing ( I mean, we all know it doens't matter anyway, look at the retard flashbacks lol ), it would lead to something so much bigger and better than the actual season 3.
For the drama value, episode 5 is okay, and I would be lying if I say I didn't like it, but I would be lying to myself if I said it was flawless. Season 2 had so many forced plots and bad writting ( Bad Russians, Carver potencial wasted, Amid The Ruins... ) and yet I loved it, lol.
That's true. They were hardly ever on the same page, except for the one time when they planned on escaping Howe's using the walker guts as cover. It might've been interesting to play as Clementine and try to get them to see each other's points of view, but like it or not, she's still a child herself. It probably would've been a difficult situation to be placed in.
I guess the next best thing would be for them to just cut ties and head out on their own again, with Clem caught in the middle of who to go with
They both clearly care about the girl, and one side would definitely be crushed.