Conrad is a potential child killing piece of shit and you decided to let him live.
That was " dark place" Conrad. The same one that losted his lover and his whole community. And to find out that one of there members are within their group can come as a shock. I hate the fact that Conrad shots Gabe if you didn't make a choice. I love Gabe. But taking Clem hostage is the best option.
I know it sounds horrible. but the original plan of," lets go Richmond and tell these murders that they done a bad thing. Please help the women that you shot because deep down inside you are good people." What! That's a dog shit plan. If it wasn't for David, Max and Badger would kill them on site to hide the evidence of the raids.
Atleast, with the Clem plan, they had something to bargain for. Clem isn't Javi's family. They met 2 days ago. Javi's priority is to keep his family alive. Not to be giving Clem everything that she wants.( I looking at all of the players) If the roles were reversed: AJ is sick and Javi is part of the new frontier, Clem won't even hesitate she would take Javi hostage at the very moment she could.
The man held a child at gun point. Anyone who can do that is a very bad person, just cause Telltale decided to make him not an insane in lat… moreer episodes just makes them really bad a drawing a characters. In that moment, he put a gun on a child, told Javi to give up another child to a group we had just watched destroy a town. In my mind, even if he could be talked down, there was every chance he would do something similar again, and maybe this time I would not be able to stop him. So he died because that's what had to be done. People who can do that sort of thing, have no excuse for their actions.
As for Clem and Javi not really knowing each other. Clem could have left without ever saying a word about being with the new frontier, but she behaved in a stand up way, said she ran with them but didn't anymore. That would be enough to earn some trust or at least not be handed over to a group of thugs for my own benefit. You can excuse your action… [view original content]
Its still a stupid plan built on a maybe. Maybe they want Clem, but they didn't did they. Conrad is operating under rhe assumption that these strait up killers are actually looking for Clem, they weren't, and they would be so happy to have her turned over to them that they would forgive Javi killing their people. Top to bottom everything about the Richmond plan is dumb.
But the dumbest thing of all is Conrads "plan" to sell out the girl who had proven herself honest and reliable. Its a betrayal and a cowardly move made by an unhinged individual. With no concept of what he is walking into and you capitulated to his demands. If your happy with it, go be happy, me I'm just happy not to have a child killer standing next me, acting like my friend.
Conrad is a potential child killing piece of shit and you decided to let him live.
That was " dark place" Conrad. The same one that … morelosted his lover and his whole community. And to find out that one of there members are within their group can come as a shock. I hate the fact that Conrad shots Gabe if you didn't make a choice. I love Gabe. But taking Clem hostage is the best option.
I know it sounds horrible. but the original plan of," lets go Richmond and tell these murders that they done a bad thing. Please help the women that you shot because deep down inside you are good people." What! That's a dog shit plan. If it wasn't for David, Max and Badger would kill them on site to hide the evidence of the raids.
Atleast, with the Clem plan, they had something to bargain for. Clem isn't Javi's family. They met 2 days ago. Javi's priority is to keep his family alive. Not to be giving Clem everything that she wants.( I looking at all … [view original content]
Arvo was not a child, he was older. And he was a thug who lured the group into a trap that almost got people killed. Later he betrayed half of the group and shot Clementine. I would've killed him, Kenny was still pretty nice to him although Arvo didn't deserve that.
Interestingly enough, here is what happens if you do nothing when asked to shoot Conrad/Accept the plan (skip to 7:36 if the video starts from the beginning):
i still dont care i am not shooting Conrad no matter what because i dont kill determinants period unless it happens by accident and i mess up i am not picking a choice that i known will directly murder someone who is from my group no matter how much he has done to wrong the group now if Conrad were to betray the group like eleanor does then i would not spare him.
My reasoning is there s no point in outright murdering determinants if the scenes that feature those characters doing something end up becoming very lackluster when you already known the stakes and tension could be so much higher when you have someone helping you in the line of fire ((As exemplified by Conrad in episode 4 during the shootout and Yvette in tales from the borderlands because in borderlands since the biggest part of the game is a story told by the 2 main characters you known they are not gonna die in that scene so you breath freely while if a determinant character is helping them and can possibly die it makes you become more tense to what s currently happening.))
I don't know you, but I rather shot millions of Conrads than trade over a little girl to people who God knows could do very horrible things to her (which does not need to be mentioned).
eh i dont really consider game over scenes as canon since if those did happen then mike would have let go of the rope and let Clem die in season 2 episode 3. Making him the biggest asshole in the game second to none not even arvo.
Interestingly enough, here is what happens if you do nothing when asked to shoot Conrad/Accept the plan (skip to 7:36 if the video starts from the beginning):
Domi_nique said:
Mortals? You talk as if there was a higher being. Continue to believe in your fucked up, naive "morals" and imaginary wi… morezard all you want. I won't take you serious anymore.
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You realize how fucked up your morals are?
Fellas, fellas, fellas, let's calm down and tone it down a notch please. It's starting to teeter towards insults and there's no need for that.
Thank you Sir/Ma'am for your enlightenment. I just wish other people here would understand this as well. People have opinions, so if they don't match up with yours, then they don't match up with yours! End of Story!
I agree with one point : don't join any bandwagons because of what other people think. View, and form your own opinion. Once you have your o… morewn opinion, feel free to share it with others, but realize that not everyone is going to share that opinion. Learn to discuss a difference of opinion without blame, shame, or patronizing how they view things. This is possibly the most difficult lesson in life to learn, so difficult it has divided nations and even caused wars.
Characters every season have fans with strong loyalties. If you don't think Gabe has any redeemable qualities, and you can't stand him :: That's okay. He's not a real person, and you feel how you feel. If you like Gabe, and can't wait to see how he develops in the next episode :: That's okay. He's relatable to you, and you feel how you feel.
I still don't like Gabe he threw me under the bus and yes Ik you didn't have to kill Connrad or Conrad (not sure how to spell his name) but at the time I thought I made the right choice
I dislike Gabe because he's a stereotypical moody teenager. Now that would be understandable if this was the real world, he'd be able to grow past that phase in his own time.
But this isn't the real world, this is the world of the zombie apocalypse.
You don't get to act like a spoilt brat when any second you could have an undead monster munching on your brain or a living person shoot you dead.
You only get the douchebag version of Gabe if you kill Conrad. If you don't kill Conrad, Gabe will be just a normal teenager trying to be useful. So, the worst version of Gabe... Yeah, it's your fault.
If you don't kill Conrad, Gabe will be just a normal teenager trying to be useful.
No, he calls you a coward for sparing him and I don't care if it happens in episode 2 only.
Yeah, it's your fault.
I saved his stupid fucking life from a maniac who pointed a gun on him for no reason and this is how he repays me, he was like "Fuck you for saving my life". ANYONE who denies the things I have done for them deserve to die.
You only get the douchebag version of Gabe if you kill Conrad. If you don't kill Conrad, Gabe will be just a normal teenager trying to be useful. So, the worst version of Gabe... Yeah, it's your fault.
If you don't kill Conrad, Gabe will be just a normal teenager trying to be useful.
No, he calls you a coward for sparing him and I d… moreon't care if it happens in episode 2 only.
Yeah, it's your fault.
I saved his stupid fucking life from a maniac who pointed a gun on him for no reason and this is how he repays me, he was like "Fuck you for saving my life". ANYONE who denies the things I have done for them deserve to die.
Arvo was not a child, he was older. And he was a thug who lured the group into a trap that almost got people killed. Later he betrayed half … moreof the group and shot Clementine. I would've killed him, Kenny was still pretty nice to him although Arvo didn't deserve that.
Well your comparing Clem questioning your choice, to Gabe ratting you out to a room full of people. That isn't the same thing at all.
Me … morepulling you aside and telling you I think you fucked up is one thing. Me airing out your secrets to a room full of people is an entirely diffrent level of being a jackass.
Okay, then let's say he was a teen. He was still a thug tho and deserved what he got. Gabe and Clem didn't, that's why the situation with Conrad is entirely different.
Before everyone hounds you for making a point counter to their opinion, I'd like to note the technically difference that Javier almost certainly has the greater good in mind and can at least protect Clementine to make up for it. I don't think Gabe can effectively shield him from Eleanor or especially Tripp.
So, im not allowed to reply to them, they replied to me. Should I just let it stand with no defense of my statement? Please pm an appropriate reply so that I dont hurt any delicate feelings. Sorry if im forceful, I apologize profusely for sticking to points and arguing them in a discussion forum.
Before everyone hounds you for making a point counter to their opinion, I'd like to note the technically difference that Javier almost certa… moreinly has the greater good in mind and can at least protect Clementine to make up for it. I don't think Gabe can effectively shield him from Eleanor or especially Tripp.
Nah, don't worry about it. It's just me pointing out a little technicality I immediately noticed and being snarky do to being very weary of the constant constant bickering regarding Gabe.
So, im not allowed to reply to them, they replied to me. Should I just let it stand with no defense of my statement? Please pm an appropriat… moree reply so that I dont hurt any delicate feelings. Sorry if im forceful, I apologize profusely for sticking to points and arguing them in a discussion forum.
I was pretty neutral towards Gabe for the whole season until now. I didn't even care that he sold me down the river about Conrad, mainly because it at least made things more interesting. But I can tell that Telltale is trying to force his relationship with Clem on me, and I just don't like it. Maybe I'm just overreacting, but I hate having things forced on me and not being able to do anything about it. Almost nobody wanted it to happen and Telltale still did it anyway. If I were to be able to stop it, I would be fine with him again, but they seemed to have made their minds up and if I don't like it, well tough shit apparently. And the next episode is already done, so it's too late for them to change anything now.
Except it isn't...consider in Conrad's mind though it would have been. Javi and his family show up and leads to a fight with NF...which ends with his town being destroyed and woman being killed...Conrad was justified in his mind....Just like Kenny thought he was in his...the only difference is that Conrad apologized eventually and admitted that it was his grief and anger that got the best of him....Same type of situations...yet only Conrad was man enough to admit his mistake.
Okay, then let's say he was a teen. He was still a thug tho and deserved what he got. Gabe and Clem didn't, that's why the situation with Conrad is entirely different.
Except it isn't...consider in Conrad's mind though it would have been. Javi and his family show up and leads to a fight with NF...which end… mores with his town being destroyed and woman being killed...Conrad was justified in his mind....Just like Kenny thought he was in his...the only difference is that Conrad apologized eventually and admitted that it was his grief and anger that got the best of him....Same type of situations...yet only Conrad was man enough to admit his mistake.
I don't think there is a romantic relationship that Telltale is trying to force on us. The feeling isn't mutual. Gabe has a crush on Clem but clearly Clem is just glad to have a friend that's around her age. However, I don't think she's oblivious to the fact that Gabe likes her, and uses that to her advantage, i.e. when she convinces Gabe to have her back when she and Javi are trying to get the truck. She hasn't given us any signs that she has a crush on Gabe. If anything, she's gonna reject him. I'm sure a romantic relationship is the last thing on her mind.
I'm curious as to how Telltale will develop the relationship between the two characters. Compared to Ben and Sarah, Ben was so much older than Clem, she couldn't really relate to him, and Sarah was just a polar opposite of her. Gabe seems to be the most relatable to her. Even if they still aren't that similar to be honest.
I was pretty neutral towards Gabe for the whole season until now. I didn't even care that he sold me down the river about Conrad, mainly bec… moreause it at least made things more interesting. But I can tell that Telltale is trying to force his relationship with Clem on me, and I just don't like it. Maybe I'm just overreacting, but I hate having things forced on me and not being able to do anything about it. Almost nobody wanted it to happen and Telltale still did it anyway. If I were to be able to stop it, I would be fine with him again, but they seemed to have made their minds up and if I don't like it, well tough shit apparently. And the next episode is already done, so it's too late for them to change anything now.
I think a lot of people just find him annoying the way he just is. Not a huge fan of his voice either. I wish Mariana had lived instead of him though or at least it being a determinant choice
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That is an insult. No hard feelings or anything, let's just stop before the mods get a heart attack.
For just four easy installments of 19.99, you too can be the voice of reason. Jk.
Three cheers to the moderators on the forums though. Those poor guys have a rough job this Season lol.
It's not an insult for me, sorry if I offended you.
That was " dark place" Conrad. The same one that losted his lover and his whole community. And to find out that one of there members are within their group can come as a shock. I hate the fact that Conrad shots Gabe if you didn't make a choice. I love Gabe. But taking Clem hostage is the best option.
I know it sounds horrible. but the original plan of," lets go Richmond and tell these murders that they done a bad thing. Please help the women that you shot because deep down inside you are good people." What! That's a dog shit plan. If it wasn't for David, Max and Badger would kill them on site to hide the evidence of the raids.
Atleast, with the Clem plan, they had something to bargain for. Clem isn't Javi's family. They met 2 days ago. Javi's priority is to keep his family alive. Not to be giving Clem everything that she wants.( I looking at all of the players) If the roles were reversed: AJ is sick and Javi is part of the new frontier, Clem won't even hesitate she would take Javi hostage at the very moment she could.
All good
Its still a stupid plan built on a maybe. Maybe they want Clem, but they didn't did they. Conrad is operating under rhe assumption that these strait up killers are actually looking for Clem, they weren't, and they would be so happy to have her turned over to them that they would forgive Javi killing their people. Top to bottom everything about the Richmond plan is dumb.
But the dumbest thing of all is Conrads "plan" to sell out the girl who had proven herself honest and reliable. Its a betrayal and a cowardly move made by an unhinged individual. With no concept of what he is walking into and you capitulated to his demands. If your happy with it, go be happy, me I'm just happy not to have a child killer standing next me, acting like my friend.
Arvo was not a child, he was older. And he was a thug who lured the group into a trap that almost got people killed. Later he betrayed half of the group and shot Clementine. I would've killed him, Kenny was still pretty nice to him although Arvo didn't deserve that.
Yup. And he still says "Oh no, protect Conrad, he deserves to live".
i still dont care i am not shooting Conrad no matter what because i dont kill determinants period unless it happens by accident and i mess up i am not picking a choice that i known will directly murder someone who is from my group no matter how much he has done to wrong the group now if Conrad were to betray the group like eleanor does then i would not spare him.
My reasoning is there s no point in outright murdering determinants if the scenes that feature those characters doing something end up becoming very lackluster when you already known the stakes and tension could be so much higher when you have someone helping you in the line of fire ((As exemplified by Conrad in episode 4 during the shootout and Yvette in tales from the borderlands because in borderlands since the biggest part of the game is a story told by the 2 main characters you known they are not gonna die in that scene so you breath freely while if a determinant character is helping them and can possibly die it makes you become more tense to what s currently happening.))
eh i dont really consider game over scenes as canon since if those did happen then mike would have let go of the rope and let Clem die in season 2 episode 3. Making him the biggest asshole in the game second to none not even arvo.
Oh don't forget he jumped out and told a guy with a knife and a gun to freeze
Oh don't forget he jumped out and told a guy with a knife and a gun to freeze
There is need. Especially when such beliefs belong to the reasons why the real world is such a disaster.
Does this forum not have a blocking-feature? So that we can block other users and don't have to see their comments anymore?
I don't "like" his character, but I mean he's a kid, most kids are annoying. He hasn't fully developed his personality yet.
Finally someone gets it!
Thank you Sir/Ma'am for your enlightenment.
I just wish other people here would understand this as well. People have opinions, so if they don't match up with yours, then they don't match up with yours! End of Story!
I still don't like Gabe he threw me under the bus and yes Ik you didn't have to kill Connrad or Conrad (not sure how to spell his name) but at the time I thought I made the right choice
The forums lack a blocking feature.
I dislike Gabe because he's a stereotypical moody teenager. Now that would be understandable if this was the real world, he'd be able to grow past that phase in his own time.
But this isn't the real world, this is the world of the zombie apocalypse.
You don't get to act like a spoilt brat when any second you could have an undead monster munching on your brain or a living person shoot you dead.
You only get the douchebag version of Gabe if you kill Conrad. If you don't kill Conrad, Gabe will be just a normal teenager trying to be useful. So, the worst version of Gabe... Yeah, it's your fault.
No, he calls you a coward for sparing him and I don't care if it happens in episode 2 only.
I saved his stupid fucking life from a maniac who pointed a gun on him for no reason and this is how he repays me, he was like "Fuck you for saving my life". ANYONE who denies the things I have done for them deserve to die.
I'm talking about episode 4. But people can say stupid things and then regret it. It's a human thing, you know?
Where were you about a week or way more ago?
Honestly, I think I'm a little Gabe'd out of everything centered around him here.
I don't care, he destroyed my relationship with Tripp and Eleanor and nothing can change them back. His stupid apologizes don't help anything.
He was in his mid teens...do not take wikia as fact...even Jane asked Kenny How does beating a kid solve anything.
No. i've been saying this all along.
But Javi snitched about Clem twice one in front of the whole NF .
Okay, then let's say he was a teen. He was still a thug tho and deserved what he got. Gabe and Clem didn't, that's why the situation with Conrad is entirely different.
How unfortunate. Thanks for the quick response nonetheless.
Before everyone hounds you for making a point counter to their opinion, I'd like to note the technically difference that Javier almost certainly has the greater good in mind and can at least protect Clementine to make up for it. I don't think Gabe can effectively shield him from Eleanor or especially Tripp.
So, im not allowed to reply to them, they replied to me. Should I just let it stand with no defense of my statement? Please pm an appropriate reply so that I dont hurt any delicate feelings. Sorry if im forceful, I apologize profusely for sticking to points and arguing them in a discussion forum.
That has nothing to do with anything I was talking about in that reply. But lets run with it anyways.
Javi can determinately put blame on Clem, I sure hell didnt, but it is possible that can happen. So who do we assign fault to in this situation?
The player thats who. Im not out to attack a character for the players jerky move.
Nah, don't worry about it. It's just me pointing out a little technicality I immediately noticed and being snarky do to being very weary of the constant constant bickering regarding Gabe.
I was pretty neutral towards Gabe for the whole season until now. I didn't even care that he sold me down the river about Conrad, mainly because it at least made things more interesting. But I can tell that Telltale is trying to force his relationship with Clem on me, and I just don't like it. Maybe I'm just overreacting, but I hate having things forced on me and not being able to do anything about it. Almost nobody wanted it to happen and Telltale still did it anyway. If I were to be able to stop it, I would be fine with him again, but they seemed to have made their minds up and if I don't like it, well tough shit apparently. And the next episode is already done, so it's too late for them to change anything now.
Good to see there are others then
Except it isn't...consider in Conrad's mind though it would have been. Javi and his family show up and leads to a fight with NF...which ends with his town being destroyed and woman being killed...Conrad was justified in his mind....Just like Kenny thought he was in his...the only difference is that Conrad apologized eventually and admitted that it was his grief and anger that got the best of him....Same type of situations...yet only Conrad was man enough to admit his mistake.
What is this, the Bioware version of ESB?
Oh no, Kenny did know how to own up to his bullshit...after the universe gave him some of what he wanted.
I don't think there is a romantic relationship that Telltale is trying to force on us. The feeling isn't mutual. Gabe has a crush on Clem but clearly Clem is just glad to have a friend that's around her age. However, I don't think she's oblivious to the fact that Gabe likes her, and uses that to her advantage, i.e. when she convinces Gabe to have her back when she and Javi are trying to get the truck. She hasn't given us any signs that she has a crush on Gabe. If anything, she's gonna reject him. I'm sure a romantic relationship is the last thing on her mind.
I'm curious as to how Telltale will develop the relationship between the two characters. Compared to Ben and Sarah, Ben was so much older than Clem, she couldn't really relate to him, and Sarah was just a polar opposite of her. Gabe seems to be the most relatable to her. Even if they still aren't that similar to be honest.
I think a lot of people just find him annoying the way he just is. Not a huge fan of his voice either. I wish Mariana had lived instead of him though or at least it being a determinant choice