Did they? Ava doesn't really look white to me in the final game, but it does seems closer than black or whatever else. Might that just be whatever color filter is placed over the game?
Remember Clem's rosy red lips?
Or I guess it's just another crazy mix. These games are pretty damn progressive. I picture the south, I picture a bunch of white rednecks.
Also, the socks. Those socks are fine as hell. Looks like she has some kind of piercing down the middle of her lip (thought that was another scar) instead of a more standard nose ring. Otherwise, it's pretty much the same.
Ah, so she was gonna be white/albino originally. Glad they changed that.
And yes, I just noticed those peppermint socks in @Jayroen's picture and they're amusing.
Thanks man!
Did they? Ava doesn't really look white to me in the final game, but it does seems closer than black or whatever else. Might that just be whatever color filter is placed over the game?
That's what I mean. She was apparently gonna be white/albino when the concept art was done, but was made black in the actual game.
Remember Clem's rosy red lips?
...What now?
Or I guess it's just another crazy mix. These games are pretty damn progressive. I picture the south, I picture a bunch of white rednecks.
Yeah, maybe she's a Darkskinned Boer like Huckleberry. ♪,Yes! She's quite'eh nice Zed Efrikan!♫
Also, one of the reasons I'm happy they changed her is because I was getting sick of the Rural areas and hicks.
Also, the socks. Those socks are fine as hell.
Are they or is it just her?
Looks like she has some kind of piercing down the middle of her lip (thought that was another scar) instead of a more standard nose ring.
Huh, you're right. Sheesh, you know, she really is kinda Edgy the Hedgy, isn't she?
Otherwise, it's pretty much the same.
Yeah, the Season 2 concept art is pretty close to the final models as well. Still curious to see if Jane has any.
Did they? Ava doesn't really look white to me in the final game, but it does seems closer than black or whatever else. Might that just be wh… moreatever color filter is placed over the game?
Remember Clem's rosy red lips?
Or I guess it's just another crazy mix. These games are pretty damn progressive. I picture the south, I picture a bunch of white rednecks.
Also, the socks. Those socks are fine as hell. Looks like she has some kind of piercing down the middle of her lip (thought that was another scar) instead of a more standard nose ring. Otherwise, it's pretty much the same.
Hats off, possibly. Everyone has an "original" design, I'm sure. How many do you think they got right on the first try? I mean, these are the guys that rewrite the entire story at the last minute, no way the characters were much easier to decide on lol
You know, the filter over the game? You don't remember me commenting on Clem's disturbingly bright lips in the "fan art" thread where they were posting unedited models from the game?
I mean, look all I did was use the smudge tool in bootleg photoshop. Well that and increased saturation. not so far off now, I think.
Did they? Ava doesn't really look white to me in the final game, but it does seems closer than black or whatever else. Might that just be wh… moreatever color filter is placed over the game?
That's what I mean. She was apparently gonna be white/albino when the concept art was done, but was made black in the actual game.
Remember Clem's rosy red lips?
...What now?
Or I guess it's just another crazy mix. These games are pretty damn progressive. I picture the south, I picture a bunch of white rednecks.
Yeah, maybe she's a Darkskinned Boer like Huckleberry. ♪,Yes! She's quite'eh nice Zed Efrikan!♫
Also, one of the reasons I'm happy they changed her is because I was getting sick of the Rural areas and hicks.
Also, the socks. Those socks are fine as hell.
Are they or is it just her?
Looks like she has some kind of piercing down the middle of her lip (thought that was another scar) instead of a mor… [view original content]
Hats off, possibly. Everyone has an "original" design, I'm sure. How many do you think they got right on the first try?
It probably depends. Clementine and Gabe for example probably went through about 3-5, while I don't imagine Tripp or Lonnie were too complicated to think up.
I mean, these are the guys that rewrite the entire story at the last minute, no way the characters were much easier to decide on lol
Yeah, pretty much. I would hope at least 6 of the characters had a lot more thought put into them before the story was written..
Hats off, possibly. Everyone has an "original" design, I'm sure. How many do you think they got right on the first try? I mean, these are th… moree guys that rewrite the entire story at the last minute, no way the characters were much easier to decide on lol
"shades chick"
boy...
You know, the filter over the game? You don't remember me commenting on Clem's disturbingly bright lips in the "fan art" thread where they were posting unedited models from the game?
Oh yeah, now I remember! I kinda doubt it would've had that much of an effect though, given she was one of the darker characters.
You know, the filter over the game? You don't remember me commenting on Clem's disturbingly bright lips in the "fan art" thread where they w… moreere posting unedited models from the game?
I mean, look all I did was use the smudge tool in bootleg photoshop. Well that and increased saturation. not so far off now, I think.
It does if they single them out: she gets a closeup with decent facial animation and leaving with Kate has her help escort Javier to the Councilors and she more or less takes Ava's place when she hears what's going on with Joan/David's raid and leaves in disillusionment. She doesn't show up at all if you side with Gabe.
You know, the filter over the game? You don't remember me commenting on Clem's disturbingly bright lips in the "fan art" thread where they w… moreere posting unedited models from the game?
Oh yeah, now I remember! I kinda doubt it would've had that much of an effect though, given she was one of the darker characters.
Eh, it seems utterly pointless to me. Like she's just there to say, "well your choice changed the scene somewhat, right?" no not really
I think you're meant to choose David anyway
It does if they single them out: she gets a closeup with decent facial animation and leaving with Kate has her help escort Javier to the Cou… morencilors and she more or less takes Ava's place when she hears what's going on with Joan/David's raid and leaves in disillusionment. She doesn't show up at all if you side with Gabe.
Yeah, I know but honestly, I think it makes more sense to side with Kate there story-wise given that she doesn't get much screentime in Thicker than Water otherwise, Gabe has a notable moment where he chooses to stay behind, and David's resulting behavior adds some buildup to the fight in From the Gallows.
Still, the fact that she resembles and/or is a customized Huh--Chick, who in turn is pretty much Grace Garcia means her likely role in the story if you picked that ending would be pragmatic from a resources standpoint. Plus, she'd also be a logical loophole to Telltale claiming there would no more major character introduced after Above the Law since it's the very same episode.
Eh, it seems utterly pointless to me. Like she's just there to say, "well your choice changed the scene somewhat, right?" no not really
I think you're meant to choose David anyway
Meh, at that point Javier is really in the thick of it, after killing the soldiers he's really going high and mighty vigilante mode. I mean, it's not like you have to play lovey dovey with Kate. For me, I could feel a stronger connection with David and I wasn't going to betray him.
Yeah, I know but honestly, I think it makes more sense to side with Kate there story-wise given that she doesn't get much screentime in Thic… moreker than Water otherwise, Gabe has a notable moment where he chooses to stay behind, and David's resulting behavior adds some buildup to the fight in From the Gallows.
Still, the fact that she resembles and/or is a customized Huh--Chick, who in turn is pretty much Grace Garcia means her likely role in the story if you picked that ending would be pragmatic from a resources standpoint. Plus, she'd also be a logical loophole to Telltale claiming there would no more major character introduced after Above the Law since it's the very same episode.
Well, you can be relatively platonic with her, especially in scenes like that, but I understand. I can't say the same, especially after the finale, but I understand.
Meh, at that point Javier is really in the thick of it, after killing the soldiers he's really going high and mighty vigilante mode. I mean,… more it's not like you have to play lovey dovey with Kate. For me, I could feel a stronger connection with David and I wasn't going to betray him.
Well, you can be relatively platonic with her, especially in scenes like that, but I understand. I can't say the same, especially after the finale, but I understand.
I don't care much about David; he was just okay after Above the Law, but the obvious fact that he's yet another Kenny-clone, combined with the importance he had to everything threatened to block some sunshine for the other Garcias(mostly Kate, though Javier and Gabe got a bit of that too), kept him from being much better. The finale just brought all of these things even more into the forefront and, combined with everything else he does in the episode, let's just say that if anyone was at the highest risk of being killed, I'm a little glad it's him.
To try and be a little more active now that she's had time to accept Carlos' death and she has a baby to help take care of?
To provide an extra gun/baby hand during the brief fight with the Russians?
To try and help Jane actually grow into a better person and/or deal with her issues?
To help look after AJ, Kenny, and/or Arvo when everybody else is occupied?
To try and help Arvo deal with what happened to Natasha since they're kinda Of a Kind?
To be there for Clementine when Jane/Luke and/or Kenny let her down at the end?
To become Clementine's Luigi for the rest of the series?
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Something along those lines, I guess.
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What would be her take on Arvo and his situation? Would she be willing to forgive him or even welcome him into the group?
Would she side with everyone else (and by technical extension Jane) in defending him or would she suddenly default to Kenny's side for similar reasons?
Is her chosen side based on which side Clementine is on or are there other reasons for her choice?
Is it really a good idea for Kenny to treat Arvo the way he did in front of her, someone who outright states that she hates the thought of people hurting each other? How long would she tolerate Kenny's treatment of Arvo before it became too much? And, worst case scenario, what if she felt had to stop Kenny from hurting Arvo or keep everyone else off of his back?
If Arvo is really even a quarter as the conniver that some people seem to think he is, is it truly safe to have Sarah be near him in such a battered and volatile state? Or alternatively, is it safe for Arvo to be around Sarah in such an emotionally broken and psychologically defeated state?
Would she try to stop Mike from turning Arvo loose and/or taking all of the food or would she be willing to look the other way?
This situation, much like her Aggressive Categorism from Jane, would've been an interesting test of her moral character after losing Carlos, but apparently she would've been too much a game breaker or some bullshit. It will forever baffle as to how the same episode where Sarah is recovering from her breakdown and knowingly facing the possibility to being left/purged by Clementine/Jane is also the same episode to introduce Arvo(who can be seen as an evil counterpart or shadow archetype to her, with a similar appearance, demeanor, and motivation) as an antagonist--and they do NOTHING with this despite the obvious parallels and the subtle setup for something involving Sarah later.
I liked the start about this family. It had all ingredients to become intense with every character.
David : Hot blooded and abusive to hi… mores brother
Javier : Easy going and submissive to his brother
Kate : In love with Javier, always tried to get away from David, with very low morals when it comes to family.
Gabe : Irritating and childish to no end, but try to change.
Mariana : Cute perceptive and very smart kid.
David would have been better as the leader, the one ordering the raids.
The choice to make would have been more difficult for many of us, sure, he didnt know his family was alive and got his daughter killed but can you really forgive your own brother for this? But I wish it was Gabe instead of Mariana.
Mariana would have been a much better friend for Clem.
Kate was surely a better choice for the betrayal if you rejected her
But the dialogs and choices were seriously lacking..
for example, when David comes to g… [view original content]
Wasted Characters:
Chuck
All 400 Days playable characters minus Bonnie
Nate
Nick
Sarah
Mariana
Max
Joan
Clint
Spanish speaking eng… moreineer
Wasted Locations:
Wellington
Wasted Plots:
Relationship with Eleanor
Getting revenge against Joan
Every item that can be saved that goes unused.
Chuck- Make him survive the sewers and have him be one of the people who can join Lee in finding Clementine. Afterwards Lee can choose to tell Clementine to look for him instead of Omid and Christa since he was the one who gave Lee advice on how to teach her to survive.
400 Days- They would just have more than one cameo in S2 episode 3 and we could actually talk to them.
Nate-I think he could be a good Negan-like villain of a large settlement.
Nick- He wouldn't be determinant. At the lake Nick would replace Bonnie and be the one to tell Clementine to help Luke. Afterwards Nick would side with Mike and Arvo after being shattered by Luke's death.
Sarah- She would survive episode 4 if she didn't die at the house. In episode 5 she would snap out of her shock somewhat and would tell Clementine about how she's not cut out for the ZA. Afterwards depending on what Clementine said in the conversation Sarah will either warn clementine about Arvo and Mike leaving or join them.
I really wish they would have done something more with the 400 days characters. According to Sean Ainsworth, he said it was more of a 'cost' decision than anything else.
I wonder if he meant literal cost, like money, or did he mean time/developer cost? I believe it was the latter.
Fanfiction tier writing here but I would have liked for Eddie to join the cabin group. The 400 days gang would try to get revenge on the cabin group for destroying Howes and the standoff would happen similarly like it does in AmTR. The group would be angry but Wyatt would recognise Eddie and visa verca, which would stop them from instantly trying to kill each other and would lead to a heated argument. Eddie would try to negotiate and based on your choices in 400 days, characters would either agree to drop the fight or refuse to back down. Would make the shootout at the end a lot more impactful since ideally you don't want anybody to die so the stakes would be a LOT higher.
I've been thinking about it and I really think Joan had so much wasted potential. She starts out interesting saying that she'd do whatever it takes to protect her people, but by the time you see her again in EP3 she just goes Carver 2.0 with the generic "doing bad things is good!" By EP4, she goes full-on James Bond villain with the whole "CHOOSE WHICH ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS DIES" nonsense. Here is how I would rewrite Joan:
Go more into her backstory; maybe make it where her daughter starved to death after they were low on supplies.
Make her only order peaceful/quiet raids, and have her greatly regret the violent ones (instead of sarcastically saying "it's something I'm going to have to live with" then drinking water like a remorseless super villain).
Don't make her a complete angel however; she would still try to pin the raids on David so she wouldn't get in trouble.
Get rid of the whole Tripp/Ava choice scenario since it is incredibly super villain-ish, or at least have someone besides Joan order it.
Bring in the cut content of having to choose Joan's fate (spare, exile, or kill). Joan justifies her actions saying she did it for the people in Richmond and never wanted to hurt anyone (claiming that all the violence was all on Badger). Since she didn't kill Tripp/Ava and was shown to be more remorseful of her actions, I feel like this choice wouldn't be too one-sided. If this choice were with the actual Joan, it would be like "95% of players choice to kill Joan."
I've been thinking about it and I really think Joan had so much wasted potential.
Definitely agreed. Probably the 3rd most wasted character on ANF's list.
She starts out interesting saying that she'd do whatever it takes to protect her people, but by the time you see her again in EP3 she just goes Carver 2.0 with the generic "doing bad things is good!"
Actually, I'm pretty sure that was an episode 4 thing, complete with her constantly smiling while taking with David and/or Javier. The Accept Max's deal ending of Above the Law, on the other hand, has her be pretty up front with why she felt she had to order the raids and admit that she'll have to live with it.
By EP4, she goes full-on James Bond villain with the whole "CHOOSE WHICH ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS DIES" nonsense.
For what it's worth, I actually found her newfound audacious demeanor to be somewhat entertaining and thought that choice was a brilliant spin on the game's usual formula. My problem was that it was Joan doing those things after previously being established as a somewhat cultured well-intentioned extremist.
Make her only order peaceful/quiet raids, and have her greatly regret the violent ones (instead of sarcastically saying "it's something I'm going to have to live with" then drinking water like a remorseless super villain).
Actually, I got the vibe early on that Joan's raids weren't meant to be so destructive and that Prescott was an unusual case because Badger's increasingly unrestrained crew did it without authorization. And from what comic fans tell me, most of the named places she had raided are still up and running, which reinforces that notion.
And I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be liquor considering she immediately walked over to get some once Max exposed her.
Get rid of the whole Tripp/Ava choice scenario since it is incredibly super villain-ish, or at least have someone besides Joan order it.
Yeah, this one is something I'll have to put some thought into when I get around to that episode. I don't wanna cut it completely, but at the same time, I'll need to do it in a way that makes sense.
I've been thinking about it and I really think Joan had so much wasted potential. She starts out interesting saying that she'd do whatever i… moret takes to protect her people, but by the time you see her again in EP3 she just goes Carver 2.0 with the generic "doing bad things is good!" By EP4, she goes full-on James Bond villain with the whole "CHOOSE WHICH ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS DIES" nonsense. Here is how I would rewrite Joan:
* Go more into her backstory; maybe make it where her daughter starved to death after they were low on supplies.
* Make her only order peaceful/quiet raids, and have her greatly regret the violent ones (instead of sarcastically saying "it's something I'm going to have to live with" then drinking water like a remorseless super villain).
* Don't make her a complete angel however; she would still try to pin the raids on David so she wouldn't get in trouble.
* Get rid of the whole Tripp/Ava choice scenario since it is inc… [view original content]
Chuck- Make him survive the sewers and have him be one of the people who can join Lee in finding Clementine. Afterwards Lee can choose to tell Clementine to look for him instead of Omid and Christa since he was the one who gave Lee advice on how to teach her to survive.
Nate-I think he could be a good Negan-like villain of a large settlement.
Nick- He wouldn't be determinant. At the lake Nick would replace Bonnie and be the one to tell Clementine to help Luke. Afterwards Nick would side with Mike and Arvo after being shattered by Luke's death.
I think I've seen these mentioned somewhere else, with the last one in particular ringing some bells. And can I just say that I...don't...get it?
I mean, sure, it inspired me to do a brief post in my episode rewrite thread of different characters being the one to free Arvo and it can sorta tie in to Nick's characterization I guess, but still.
Chuck- Make him survive the sewers and have him be one of the people who can join Lee in finding Clementine. Afterwards Lee can choose to te… morell Clementine to look for him instead of Omid and Christa since he was the one who gave Lee advice on how to teach her to survive.
400 Days- They would just have more than one cameo in S2 episode 3 and we could actually talk to them.
Nate-I think he could be a good Negan-like villain of a large settlement.
Nick- He wouldn't be determinant. At the lake Nick would replace Bonnie and be the one to tell Clementine to help Luke. Afterwards Nick would side with Mike and Arvo after being shattered by Luke's death.
Sarah- She would survive episode 4 if she didn't die at the house. In episode 5 she would snap out of her shock somewhat and would tell Clementine about how she's not cut out for the ZA. Afterwards depending on what Clementine said in the conversation Sarah will either warn clementine about Arvo and Mike leaving or join them.
I really wish they would have done something more with the 400 days characters.
That is a very common one in these type of threads.
According to Sean Ainsworth, he said it was more of a 'cost' decision than anything else.
I wonder if he meant literal cost, like money, or did he mean time/developer cost? I believe it was the latter.
Is that so? Either way does make sense.
Fanfiction tier writing here but I would have liked for Eddie to join the cabin group.
Mm.
The 400 days gang would try to get revenge on the cabin group for destroying Howes and the standoff would happen similarly like it does in AmTR. The group would be angry but Wyatt would recognise Eddie and visa verca, which would stop them from instantly trying to kill each other and would lead to a heated argument. Eddie would try to negotiate and based on your choices in 400 days, characters would either agree to drop the fight or refuse to back down. Would make the shootout at the end a lot more impactful since ideally you don't want anybody to die so the stakes would be a LOT higher.
That is an interesting spin on that plot point. Granted, I know a number of people didn't particularly care for Becca and I personally didn't really like Eddie and especially Wyatt, but you're right. The stakes would've been higher than if they were simply Carver's vengeful scouting team.
I really wish they would have done something more with the 400 days characters. According to Sean Ainsworth, he said it was more of a 'cost'… more decision than anything else.
I wonder if he meant literal cost, like money, or did he mean time/developer cost? I believe it was the latter.
Fanfiction tier writing here but I would have liked for Eddie to join the cabin group. The 400 days gang would try to get revenge on the cabin group for destroying Howes and the standoff would happen similarly like it does in AmTR. The group would be angry but Wyatt would recognise Eddie and visa verca, which would stop them from instantly trying to kill each other and would lead to a heated argument. Eddie would try to negotiate and based on your choices in 400 days, characters would either agree to drop the fight or refuse to back down. Would make the shootout at the end a lot more impactful since ideally you don't want anybody to die so the stakes would be a LOT higher.
Definitely agreed. Probably the 3rd most wasted character on ANF's list.
Just curious, who are the 2nd and 1st characters?
Actually, I'm pretty sure that was an episode 4 thing, complete with her constantly smiling while taking with David and/or Javier. The Accept Max's deal ending of Above the Law, on the other hand, has her be pretty up front with why she felt she had to order the raids and admit that she'll have to live with it.
Yeah this was mainly in EP4, though it was also present in the EP3 ending where Max is alive. She calmly smiles to herself when talking about Mari's death, and also smiles while you're getting arrested.
For what it's worth, I actually found her newfound audacious demeanor to be somewhat entertaining and thought that choice was a brilliant spin on the game's usual formula. My problem was that it was Joan doing those things after previously being established as a somewhat cultured well-intentioned extremist.
I thought having the person you tried to save get killed was a great twist, though yeah it really doesn't suit Joan's character. I could imagine Badger doing something like that though.
Actually, I got the vibe early on that Joan's raids weren't meant to be so destructive and that Prescott was an unusual case because Badger's increasingly unrestrained crew did it without authorization. And from what comic fans tell me, most of the named places she had raided are still up and running, which reinforces that notion.
I don't think she wanted to harm anyone, though I find it really super villain-ish that she doesn't have any remorse at all for the Prescott raid and Mari's death (casually smiling whenever they're brought up).
Yeah, this one is something I'll have to put some thought into when I get around to that episode. I don't wanna cut it completely, but at the same time, I'll need to do it in a way that makes sense.
Maybe introduce a new NF member who deals with criminals and is very sadistic in that they do games like choosing Ava/Tripp, while Joan sits on the sidelines and chooses not to admit her crimes which could save them. Either that, or make Badger do it.
I've been thinking about it and I really think Joan had so much wasted potential.
Definitely agreed. Probably the 3rd most wasted ch… morearacter on ANF's list.
She starts out interesting saying that she'd do whatever it takes to protect her people, but by the time you see her again in EP3 she just goes Carver 2.0 with the generic "doing bad things is good!"
Actually, I'm pretty sure that was an episode 4 thing, complete with her constantly smiling while taking with David and/or Javier. The Accept Max's deal ending of Above the Law, on the other hand, has her be pretty up front with why she felt she had to order the raids and admit that she'll have to live with it.
By EP4, she goes full-on James Bond villain with the whole "CHOOSE WHICH ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS DIES" nonsense.
For what it's worth, I actually found her newfound audacious demeanor to be somewhat entertaining and thought that choice was a brilliant spin … [view original content]
What's not to get? If Nick were to take Bonnie's role it would make Luke's death scene much more impactful since Luke is his last remaining family. The part where Bonnie either attacks Clem or asks her for a smoke would also hit a lot harder and make more sense since we've been with Nick a lot longer than Bonnie and we know how much Luke means to him.
I don't think it's far fetched that Nick would side with Arvo and Mike over Kenny because it's clearly shown in the few times Kenny and Nick talked that they don't like each other.
Chuck- Make him survive the sewers and have him be one of the people who can join Lee in finding Clementine. Afterwards Lee can choose to te… morell Clementine to look for him instead of Omid and Christa since he was the one who gave Lee advice on how to teach her to survive.
Nate-I think he could be a good Negan-like villain of a large settlement.
Nick- He wouldn't be determinant. At the lake Nick would replace Bonnie and be the one to tell Clementine to help Luke. Afterwards Nick would side with Mike and Arvo after being shattered by Luke's death.
I think I've seen these mentioned somewhere else, with the last one in particular ringing some bells. And can I just say that I...don't...get it?
I mean, sure, it inspired me to do a brief post in my episode rewrite thread of different characters being the one to free Arvo and it can sorta tie in to Nick's characterization I guess, but still.
Okay, that's the general gist of why I'd think it'd work,.
And really, the whole Luke vs. Kenny was really more of a Nick vs. Kenny thing at first, as Luke tried to at least have rational conversation with Kenny despite visibly not liking him either.
And can I just say that I...don't...get it?
What's not to get? If Nick were to take Bonnie's role it would make Luke's death scene m… moreuch more impactful since Luke is his last remaining family. The part where Bonnie either attacks Clem or asks her for a smoke would also hit a lot harder and make more sense since we've been with Nick a lot longer than Bonnie and we know how much Luke means to him.
I don't think it's far fetched that Nick would side with Arvo and Mike over Kenny because it's clearly shown in the few times Kenny and Nick talked that they don't like each other.
Yeah this was mainly in EP4, though it was also present in the EP3 ending where Max is alive. She calmly smiles to herself when talking about Mari's death, and also smiles while you're getting arrested.
I don't think she wanted to harm anyone, though I find it really super villain-ish that she doesn't have any remorse at all for the Prescott raid and Mari's death (casually smiling whenever they're brought up).
Does she? I'll have to go back again cause a key distinction of her characterization shift is her constant smiling when under fire in Thicker than Water, while her original characterization had her be pretty serious when the situation called fo rit.
I could imagine Badger doing something like that though.
Maybe introduce a new NF member who deals with criminals and is very sadistic in that they do games like choosing Ava/Tripp, while Joan sits on the sidelines and chooses not to admit her crimes which could save them. Either that, or make Badger do it.
And that's exactly what I meant when I said I'd have to think things through when I finally get around to rewriting that scene. The problem with that thought is that we'd just be pulling another easy scumbag out of our ass to do something the important Anti-villain, which is part of the reason I don't like Badger to begin with.
Perhaps that Executioner guy who works for her or that bearded guy with the shades under Badger's command could work.
Definitely agreed. Probably the 3rd most wasted character on ANF's list.
Just curious, who are the 2nd and 1st characters?
Act… moreually, I'm pretty sure that was an episode 4 thing, complete with her constantly smiling while taking with David and/or Javier. The Accept Max's deal ending of Above the Law, on the other hand, has her be pretty up front with why she felt she had to order the raids and admit that she'll have to live with it.
Yeah this was mainly in EP4, though it was also present in the EP3 ending where Max is alive. She calmly smiles to herself when talking about Mari's death, and also smiles while you're getting arrested.
For what it's worth, I actually found her newfound audacious demeanor to be somewhat entertaining and thought that choice was a brilliant spin on the game's usual formula. My problem was that it was Joan doing those things after previously being established as a somewhat cultured well-int… [view original content]
Well, by "abused" at least sentimentally. I mean the way Javier is treated by David and the fact that he seems to experiment anger in a very intense way leads me to think that it's possible that David misteats (verbally or physically) but then again, it's me reading into things.
I keep thinking, and don't remember Kate implying anything like that. Just when Javier said "his jaw remember" when they were talking about … morehow David is etc then Kate says " I bet you do" or something, simply because she noticed when Rafa died, David punched Javi.
David definitely abused physically and verbally Javier mainly because he was jealous.
For Kate, it felt more like.... barking than abuse. But I can be wrong.
Well, by "abused" at least sentimentally. I mean the way Javier is treated by David and the fact that he seems to experiment anger in a very… more intense way leads me to think that it's possible that David misteats (verbally or physically) but then again, it's me reading into things.
Yeah though only in the EP3 ending where Max is alive (also smiling when they're getting arrested at 16:30 of the same video). She also smiles when saying that David isn't above the law in EP4, plus she gives you a shit-eating grin when choosing whether to shoot her or not.
Just curious, who are the 2nd and 1st characters?
Kate and Gabe, of course.
Yeah this was mainly in EP4, though it was also pr… moreesent in the EP3 ending where Max is alive. She calmly smiles to herself when talking about Mari's death, and also smiles while you're getting arrested.
I don't think she wanted to harm anyone, though I find it really super villain-ish that she doesn't have any remorse at all for the Prescott raid and Mari's death (casually smiling whenever they're brought up).
Does she? I'll have to go back again cause a key distinction of her characterization shift is her constant smiling when under fire in Thicker than Water, while her original characterization had her be pretty serious when the situation called fo rit.
I could imagine Badger doing something like that though.
Maybe introduce a new NF member who deals with criminals and is very sadistic in that they do games like choosing Ava/Tripp, … [view original content]
Does she?
Yeah though only in the EP3 ending where Max is alive (also smiling when they're getting arrested at 16:30 of the same vid… moreeo). She also smiles when saying that David isn't above the law in EP4, plus she gives you a shit-eating grin when choosing whether to shoot her or not.
I'm on a Cruise right now so my internets going in and out. Here are a couple:
-Kenny/Jane post season 2: Telltale could have proven us all wrong with this one. They could have had Kenny/Jane tag along with Javi, Clem and Co. through the entire season.
-Carver: He shouldn't have died in Ep 3. He would have lived until the end of Episode 5. The fight with Kenny and Jane is replaced by an epic battle between the remaining members of Howe's Hardware at the rest stop.
Moonstar Lodge: I wish there was an option to go back to the Lodge at the end of Season 2.
Howe's: We would have stayed there longer and gotten to know the 400 Days Characters.
Monroe: Once again, just being able to explore Monroe would be awesome.
Prescott: Prescott should not have been destroyed.
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Did they? Ava doesn't really look white to me in the final game, but it does seems closer than black or whatever else. Might that just be whatever color filter is placed over the game?
Remember Clem's rosy red lips?
Or I guess it's just another crazy mix. These games are pretty damn progressive. I picture the south, I picture a bunch of white rednecks.
Also, the socks. Those socks are fine as hell. Looks like she has some kind of piercing down the middle of her lip (thought that was another scar) instead of a more standard nose ring. Otherwise, it's pretty much the same.
That's what I mean. She was apparently gonna be white/albino when the concept art was done, but was made black in the actual game.
...What now?
Yeah, maybe she's a Darkskinned Boer like Huckleberry. ♪,Yes! She's quite'eh nice Zed Efrikan!♫
Also, one of the reasons I'm happy they changed her is because I was getting sick of the Rural areas and hicks.
Are they or is it just her?
Huh, you're right. Sheesh, you know, she really is kinda Edgy the Hedgy, isn't she?
Yeah, the Season 2 concept art is pretty close to the final models as well. Still curious to see if Jane has any.
Gabe with his hat off? "Grace's" original design? Shades-Chick with her work clothes off?
Hats off, possibly. Everyone has an "original" design, I'm sure. How many do you think they got right on the first try? I mean, these are the guys that rewrite the entire story at the last minute, no way the characters were much easier to decide on lol
"shades chick"
boy...
''Shades-Chick''. Why are you so obsessed with this nobody?
You know, the filter over the game? You don't remember me commenting on Clem's disturbingly bright lips in the "fan art" thread where they were posting unedited models from the game?
I mean, look all I did was use the smudge tool in bootleg photoshop. Well that and increased saturation. not so far off now, I think.
She has way too deliberate a design and usage in Above the Law to just be a nobody.
It probably depends. Clementine and Gabe for example probably went through about 3-5, while I don't imagine Tripp or Lonnie were too complicated to think up.
Yeah, pretty much. I would hope at least 6 of the characters had a lot more thought put into them before the story was written..
What?
Oh yeah, now I remember! I kinda doubt it would've had that much of an effect though, given she was one of the darker characters.
I think you're reaching a bit, not everything is something
It does if they single them out: she gets a closeup with decent facial animation and leaving with Kate has her help escort Javier to the Councilors and she more or less takes Ava's place when she hears what's going on with Joan/David's raid and leaves in disillusionment. She doesn't show up at all if you side with Gabe.
maybe not, just saying.
Eh, it seems utterly pointless to me. Like she's just there to say, "well your choice changed the scene somewhat, right?" no not really
I think you're meant to choose David anyway
Yeah, I know but honestly, I think it makes more sense to side with Kate there story-wise given that she doesn't get much screentime in Thicker than Water otherwise, Gabe has a notable moment where he chooses to stay behind, and David's resulting behavior adds some buildup to the fight in From the Gallows.
Still, the fact that she resembles and/or is a customized Huh--Chick, who in turn is pretty much Grace Garcia means her likely role in the story if you picked that ending would be pragmatic from a resources standpoint. Plus, she'd also be a logical loophole to Telltale claiming there would no more major character introduced after Above the Law since it's the very same episode.
Meh, at that point Javier is really in the thick of it, after killing the soldiers he's really going high and mighty vigilante mode. I mean, it's not like you have to play lovey dovey with Kate. For me, I could feel a stronger connection with David and I wasn't going to betray him.
Well, you can be relatively platonic with her, especially in scenes like that, but I understand. I can't say the same, especially after the finale, but I understand.
oh? go on.
I don't care much about David; he was just okay after Above the Law, but the obvious fact that he's yet another Kenny-clone, combined with the importance he had to everything threatened to block some sunshine for the other Garcias(mostly Kate, though Javier and Gabe got a bit of that too), kept him from being much better. The finale just brought all of these things even more into the forefront and, combined with everything else he does in the episode, let's just say that if anyone was at the highest risk of being killed, I'm a little glad it's him.
Gonna copy this here just because:
@DabigRG
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To be fair Javi can be more of an asshole than David, there are different versions of Javi not just the "nice one"
You're right, but I usually play as me, so thanks for implying I'm not an asshole
Wasted Characters:
Chuck
All 400 Days playable characters minus Bonnie
Nate
Nick
Sarah
Mariana
Max
Joan
Clint
Spanish speaking engineer
Wasted Locations:
Wellington
Wasted Plots:
Relationship with Eleanor
Getting revenge against Joan
Every item that can be saved that goes unused.
What do you think could've been done with some of them and/or what would you have like to have seen?
Chuck- Make him survive the sewers and have him be one of the people who can join Lee in finding Clementine. Afterwards Lee can choose to tell Clementine to look for him instead of Omid and Christa since he was the one who gave Lee advice on how to teach her to survive.
400 Days- They would just have more than one cameo in S2 episode 3 and we could actually talk to them.
Nate-I think he could be a good Negan-like villain of a large settlement.
Nick- He wouldn't be determinant. At the lake Nick would replace Bonnie and be the one to tell Clementine to help Luke. Afterwards Nick would side with Mike and Arvo after being shattered by Luke's death.
Sarah- She would survive episode 4 if she didn't die at the house. In episode 5 she would snap out of her shock somewhat and would tell Clementine about how she's not cut out for the ZA. Afterwards depending on what Clementine said in the conversation Sarah will either warn clementine about Arvo and Mike leaving or join them.
I really wish they would have done something more with the 400 days characters. According to Sean Ainsworth, he said it was more of a 'cost' decision than anything else.
I wonder if he meant literal cost, like money, or did he mean time/developer cost? I believe it was the latter.
Fanfiction tier writing here but I would have liked for Eddie to join the cabin group. The 400 days gang would try to get revenge on the cabin group for destroying Howes and the standoff would happen similarly like it does in AmTR. The group would be angry but Wyatt would recognise Eddie and visa verca, which would stop them from instantly trying to kill each other and would lead to a heated argument. Eddie would try to negotiate and based on your choices in 400 days, characters would either agree to drop the fight or refuse to back down. Would make the shootout at the end a lot more impactful since ideally you don't want anybody to die so the stakes would be a LOT higher.
I've been thinking about it and I really think Joan had so much wasted potential. She starts out interesting saying that she'd do whatever it takes to protect her people, but by the time you see her again in EP3 she just goes Carver 2.0 with the generic "doing bad things is good!" By EP4, she goes full-on James Bond villain with the whole "CHOOSE WHICH ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS DIES" nonsense. Here is how I would rewrite Joan:
Definitely agreed. Probably the 3rd most wasted character on ANF's list.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that was an episode 4 thing, complete with her constantly smiling while taking with David and/or Javier. The Accept Max's deal ending of Above the Law, on the other hand, has her be pretty up front with why she felt she had to order the raids and admit that she'll have to live with it.
For what it's worth, I actually found her newfound audacious demeanor to be somewhat entertaining and thought that choice was a brilliant spin on the game's usual formula. My problem was that it was Joan doing those things after previously being established as a somewhat cultured well-intentioned extremist.
Actually, I got the vibe early on that Joan's raids weren't meant to be so destructive and that Prescott was an unusual case because Badger's increasingly unrestrained crew did it without authorization. And from what comic fans tell me, most of the named places she had raided are still up and running, which reinforces that notion.
And I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be liquor considering she immediately walked over to get some once Max exposed her.
Yeah, this one is something I'll have to put some thought into when I get around to that episode. I don't wanna cut it completely, but at the same time, I'll need to do it in a way that makes sense.
I think I've seen these mentioned somewhere else, with the last one in particular ringing some bells. And can I just say that I...don't...get it?
I mean, sure, it inspired me to do a brief post in my episode rewrite thread of different characters being the one to free Arvo and it can sorta tie in to Nick's characterization I guess, but still.
That is a very common one in these type of threads.
Is that so? Either way does make sense.
Mm.
That is an interesting spin on that plot point. Granted, I know a number of people didn't particularly care for Becca and I personally didn't really like Eddie and especially Wyatt, but you're right. The stakes would've been higher than if they were simply Carver's vengeful scouting team.
ELEVEN IS THAT YOU!?!?!?
No, it's Hypersonic Teenage Warhead.
Still, who?
Just curious, who are the 2nd and 1st characters?
Yeah this was mainly in EP4, though it was also present in the EP3 ending where Max is alive. She calmly smiles to herself when talking about Mari's death, and also smiles while you're getting arrested.
I thought having the person you tried to save get killed was a great twist, though yeah it really doesn't suit Joan's character. I could imagine Badger doing something like that though.
I don't think she wanted to harm anyone, though I find it really super villain-ish that she doesn't have any remorse at all for the Prescott raid and Mari's death (casually smiling whenever they're brought up).
Maybe introduce a new NF member who deals with criminals and is very sadistic in that they do games like choosing Ava/Tripp, while Joan sits on the sidelines and chooses not to admit her crimes which could save them. Either that, or make Badger do it.
What's not to get? If Nick were to take Bonnie's role it would make Luke's death scene much more impactful since Luke is his last remaining family. The part where Bonnie either attacks Clem or asks her for a smoke would also hit a lot harder and make more sense since we've been with Nick a lot longer than Bonnie and we know how much Luke means to him.
I don't think it's far fetched that Nick would side with Arvo and Mike over Kenny because it's clearly shown in the few times Kenny and Nick talked that they don't like each other.
Okay, that's the general gist of why I'd think it'd work,.
And really, the whole Luke vs. Kenny was really more of a Nick vs. Kenny thing at first, as Luke tried to at least have rational conversation with Kenny despite visibly not liking him either.
Kate and Gabe, of course.
Does she? I'll have to go back again cause a key distinction of her characterization shift is her constant smiling when under fire in Thicker than Water, while her original characterization had her be pretty serious when the situation called fo rit.
And that's exactly what I meant when I said I'd have to think things through when I finally get around to rewriting that scene. The problem with that thought is that we'd just be pulling another easy scumbag out of our ass to do something the important Anti-villain, which is part of the reason I don't like Badger to begin with.
Perhaps that Executioner guy who works for her or that bearded guy with the shades under Badger's command could work.
Well, by "abused" at least sentimentally. I mean the way Javier is treated by David and the fact that he seems to experiment anger in a very intense way leads me to think that it's possible that David misteats (verbally or physically) but then again, it's me reading into things.
David definitely abused physically and verbally Javier mainly because he was jealous.
For Kate, it felt more like.... barking than abuse. But I can be wrong.
Yeah though only in the EP3 ending where Max is alive (also smiling when they're getting arrested at 16:30 of the same video). She also smiles when saying that David isn't above the law in EP4, plus she gives you a shit-eating grin when choosing whether to shoot her or not.
I can't say I really see it myself, but I can sorta understand why you'd think that.
And as we'd established, Episode 4 saw a jarring shift in characterization for her, so it makes sense there.
I'm on a Cruise right now so my internets going in and out. Here are a couple:
-Kenny/Jane post season 2: Telltale could have proven us all wrong with this one. They could have had Kenny/Jane tag along with Javi, Clem and Co. through the entire season.
-Carver: He shouldn't have died in Ep 3. He would have lived until the end of Episode 5. The fight with Kenny and Jane is replaced by an epic battle between the remaining members of Howe's Hardware at the rest stop.
Moonstar Lodge: I wish there was an option to go back to the Lodge at the end of Season 2.
Howe's: We would have stayed there longer and gotten to know the 400 Days Characters.
Monroe: Once again, just being able to explore Monroe would be awesome.
Prescott: Prescott should not have been destroyed.