'I love you' (from 'Ilse of Ewe') could be platonic.
Or just a joke. The captain must have known that it's an island on the map. And as he knows that Guybrush is married, his reaction would have been probably different, if he was serious about it.
Doesn't seem likely that he realized Guybrush was saying "Isle of Ewe" rather than "I love you", considering the "Oh, right, JOKE, heh..."
It was "Yes, sir, a joke..." or something more along that one, and to me it was more like "I'm disturbed with this guy" rather than "oh bummer, a joke". Am I being overly naive?
And yes, he didn't realize Guybrush was saying "Isle of Ewe".
And yes, I do think platonic love to a persone of your own gender does exist. We call it friendship, usually. Heh
I can't take this seriously from a guy who wears a bra...:p
LOL:p
But altough i think there were more sexually related taunts and jokes, it is not like there are a lot more than normal. And apart from that, they are not cheap Saturday Night live comedy jokes, they are a lot more subtile, and for example I think my younger sister won't even get them as a sexual joke.:rolleyes:
Personally, I found the gender ambiguity hilarious and more importantly, totally reasonable. Why on earth should humans be able to tell the gender of another species? Can you tell a female cat from a male one immediately? Or a fish? Or well, almost every other animal that lacks nice useful gender dimorphism.
Anemone was great, the constant flirting was amusing but totally random. Was he/she just messing with Guybrush because it was funny? I like to think so. Besides, why would a merfolk find a human attractive? Much as a human is unlikely to find a merfolk particularly sexy.. unless they're you know.. into freaky androgynous fish people lol.
In fact, the only thing that bothered me about the merfolk was how they all looked well.. the same. Not similar, actually the same. I'd have loved to see a little more variation but oh well.
Sexual inuendo has been a mainstay of the monkey island series hasn't it? There's always at least a few dodgy references. Elaine's bust in MI2 springs instantly to mind (see what I did there? DO YA? ahem)
Winslow gained extra cool points for his hilariously dry remarks over the Isle of Ewe and suchforth. He's great. And why shouldn't pirates be perverted? They're pirates!
Personally, I found the gender ambiguity hilarious and more importantly, totally reasonable. Why on earth should humans be able to tell the gender of another species? Can you tell a female cat from a male one immediately? Or a fish? Or well, almost every other animal that lacks nice useful gender dimorphism.
Yea, female cats have teets and male cats have penises. And in fact in a lot of species the males and females look different. You can tell cows from bulls. In birds, sometimes the male is more colorful or a different size.
What people expect when they see merpeople is the same thing they expect with cats--teets and penises--but in the form of breasts or no breasts.
I don't think there's any making sense behind why the designers did this except they thought it would be funny.
Yea, female cats have teets and male cats have penises.
Both male and female cats have nipples. Female cats don't have visible breasts unless they are lactating. (Incidentally, take that statement and replace "cats" with any non-human mammal and it will remain true).
Also, cats, dogs, etc, hide their penises unless they're using them.
You can tell a cat's gender if you see them from behind (you see balls or a vagina) but otherwise it can be hard it your looking at them from any other angle.
Yea, female cats have teets and male cats have penises. And in fact in a lot of species the males and females look different. You can tell cows from bulls. In birds, sometimes the male is more colorful or a different size.
What people expect when they see merpeople is the same thing they expect with cats--teets and penises--but in the form of breasts or no breasts.
I don't think there's any making sense behind why the designers did this except they thought it would be funny.
What about something a little less obvious. Can you make the same 'easy' distinction for crocodiles? hedgehogs? that person you see ahead and you thought that he/she was a male or female and it turned the other way?
And in some cases some species can change genders and there are species that have more than two genders. Male or female... Yeah, piece of cake!
What about something a little less obvious. Can you make the same 'easy' distinction for crocodiles? hedgehogs? that person you see ahead and you thought that he/she was a male or female and it turned the other way?
And in some cases some species can change genders and there are species that have more than two genders. Male or female... Yeah, piece of cake!
Yea but that isn't my point. The choice of Telltale to make the Merfolk more ambiguous like that was just a choice, there isn't anything deeper to it.
Can you tell a boy fish from a girl fish? no... what about a male dolphin from a female without looking for reproductive organs?
As I said, gender dimorphism as in, different coloured feathers in some bird species, horns in some mammals and the size difference you see in a lot of insects. But there are a fair few animals that you really can't tell apart. Especially not by the face alone.
Say I give you a picture of just a dog's face, only it's face.. no way you can check for a penis or anything, so how would you know what gender it was?
And on a related note, just say NO to non mammalian mammaries!
To be honest I didn't find that much to laugh about in Episode 2, Lechuck was chuckleworthy but the innuendo around the merpeople was really the only other thing to make me grin.
Can you tell a boy fish from a girl fish? no... what about a male dolphin from a female without looking for reproductive organs?
As I said, gender dimorphism as in, different coloured feathers in some bird species, horns in some mammals and the size difference you see in a lot of insects. But there are a fair few animals that you really can't tell apart. Especially not by the face alone.
Say I give you a picture of just a dog's face, only it's face.. no way you can check for a penis or anything, so how would you know what gender it was?
And on a related note, just say NO to non mammalian mammaries!
I'm pretty sure dogs are slightly different just like people are from their genders, people just aren't attuned to recognizing it.
Anyway, why would merfolk be fish instead of mammals ? Whales live in the sea. Why would they even either either one or the other, fish or mammals ? They're traditionally supernatural creatures. I'm just saying I don't think it makes any particular sense they chose to do this, they just chose to.
true indeed, but i guess that's all stories, made up by lonely sailors. "no, i totally wasn't making out with a tuna fish....the top half was a pretty girl."
But of course, there's no vagina in mermaids. This is also known as the mermaid problem.
But of course, there's no vagina in mermaids. This is also known as the mermaid problem.
There's no real problem though. Mermaids aren't supposed to be any more scientifically logical than zombies or ghosts, or faeries or goblins, they're supernatural. It would be like trying to reconcile undead zombies with biology.
It's not hand waving to assume they might assume human form, there are many mythical creatures that transform between human states and animal states. In Orkney folklore there's a creature called a Selkie which can transform themselves between humans and seals. In their human form selkie maids become lovers of fishermen and bear them children, and then swim out to sea as seals.
Its also not a matter of disregarding biological possibilities, since its not science fiction, but fantasy where magic happens. Magic doesn't exactly follow the rules of science.
If it were to follow biological laws, there's no reason to think mermaids would be fish instead of mammals. Some fish also have lungs instead of gills.
Sometimes people who contribute to tvtropes think too much.
To those who say "it's only you... these CAN be normal things..." have you ever heard of puns before? Play MI 1 & 2 NOW... I played them when I was about 12, and all the jokes were safe.
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They're not even subtle to be honest... they're all VERY intentional. I think most would find them funny... I do! But I think this chapter's saturated with them and they could have laid off them a bit (no pun intended.)
To be clear; you are LOOKING VERY HARD for sexual references. And sorry, when you were 12, you wouldn't even have realised sexual references or known the meaning of the word subtle.
I suggest you go to church and and do some confessing OR you stop playing ToMI. There's always a lot of crap in forums, but THIS... man.. you really scare me. Pls go see a doctor.
I recommend that french guy on Flotsam Island. I heard he's interested in your brain
To be clear; you are LOOKING VERY HARD for sexual references. And sorry, when you were 12, you wouldn't even have realised sexual references or known the meaning of the word subtle.
I suggest you go to church and and do some confessing OR you stop playing ToMI. There's always a lot of crap in forums, but THIS... man.. you really scare me. Pls go see a doctor.
I recommend that french guy on Flotsam Island. I heard he's interested in your brain
yeah better go to confession
god never wanted us to have sex or observe any ideas alluding to it.
Look, it's pretty clear that all of the Monkey Island characters are sexual deviants and the game as a whole is blatant propaganda from degenerates who want to destroy the order of society. I just can't decide whether they're trying to destroy us with dirty references or by encouraging us to have frankly inexplicable arguments about fish sex.
<sarcasm>Largo_LaGrande, I find your nickname very offensive, from Spanish it could be translated as "Long, The Big One", which is clearly a reference to a big penis.</sarcasm>
And I don't think that went as far as you are going with the sexual references in ToMI. I still don't get the sexual interpretation of "Jerkbait Islands", could someone explain it to me? (I'm not a native english speaker).
That is NOT a sexual reference.
People are reading into things too much!
LMAO I swear that's the first thing that came to my mind when he said it. I too thought the game was filled with sexual references, and after seeing this thread I'm glad to know I was not the only one!
Largo_LaGrande, I find your nickname very offensive, from Spanish it could be translated as "Long, The Big One", which is clearly a reference to a big penis.
It works for "largo" but not for "LaGrande." "Penis" in Spanish is "Pene" and it is masculine, so it would be "ElGrande" for that to work.
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LOL!!!! baby..i can hold my breath for ten minutes..ohhh yeah
It was "Yes, sir, a joke..." or something more along that one, and to me it was more like "I'm disturbed with this guy" rather than "oh bummer, a joke". Am I being overly naive?
And yes, he didn't realize Guybrush was saying "Isle of Ewe".
And yes, I do think platonic love to a persone of your own gender does exist. We call it friendship, usually. Heh
LOL:p
But altough i think there were more sexually related taunts and jokes, it is not like there are a lot more than normal. And apart from that, they are not cheap Saturday Night live comedy jokes, they are a lot more subtile, and for example I think my younger sister won't even get them as a sexual joke.:rolleyes:
Anemone was great, the constant flirting was amusing but totally random. Was he/she just messing with Guybrush because it was funny? I like to think so. Besides, why would a merfolk find a human attractive? Much as a human is unlikely to find a merfolk particularly sexy.. unless they're you know.. into freaky androgynous fish people lol.
In fact, the only thing that bothered me about the merfolk was how they all looked well.. the same. Not similar, actually the same. I'd have loved to see a little more variation but oh well.
Sexual inuendo has been a mainstay of the monkey island series hasn't it? There's always at least a few dodgy references. Elaine's bust in MI2 springs instantly to mind (see what I did there? DO YA? ahem)
Winslow gained extra cool points for his hilariously dry remarks over the Isle of Ewe and suchforth. He's great. And why shouldn't pirates be perverted? They're pirates!
Yea, female cats have teets and male cats have penises. And in fact in a lot of species the males and females look different. You can tell cows from bulls. In birds, sometimes the male is more colorful or a different size.
What people expect when they see merpeople is the same thing they expect with cats--teets and penises--but in the form of breasts or no breasts.
I don't think there's any making sense behind why the designers did this except they thought it would be funny.
Both male and female cats have nipples. Female cats don't have visible breasts unless they are lactating. (Incidentally, take that statement and replace "cats" with any non-human mammal and it will remain true).
Also, cats, dogs, etc, hide their penises unless they're using them.
You can tell a cat's gender if you see them from behind (you see balls or a vagina) but otherwise it can be hard it your looking at them from any other angle.
What about something a little less obvious. Can you make the same 'easy' distinction for crocodiles? hedgehogs? that person you see ahead and you thought that he/she was a male or female and it turned the other way?
And in some cases some species can change genders and there are species that have more than two genders. Male or female... Yeah, piece of cake!
Yea but that isn't my point. The choice of Telltale to make the Merfolk more ambiguous like that was just a choice, there isn't anything deeper to it.
As I said, gender dimorphism as in, different coloured feathers in some bird species, horns in some mammals and the size difference you see in a lot of insects. But there are a fair few animals that you really can't tell apart. Especially not by the face alone.
Say I give you a picture of just a dog's face, only it's face.. no way you can check for a penis or anything, so how would you know what gender it was?
And on a related note, just say NO to non mammalian mammaries!
I'm pretty sure dogs are slightly different just like people are from their genders, people just aren't attuned to recognizing it.
Anyway, why would merfolk be fish instead of mammals ? Whales live in the sea. Why would they even either either one or the other, fish or mammals ? They're traditionally supernatural creatures. I'm just saying I don't think it makes any particular sense they chose to do this, they just chose to.
But of course, there's no vagina in mermaids. This is also known as the mermaid problem.
There's no real problem though. Mermaids aren't supposed to be any more scientifically logical than zombies or ghosts, or faeries or goblins, they're supernatural. It would be like trying to reconcile undead zombies with biology.
It's not hand waving to assume they might assume human form, there are many mythical creatures that transform between human states and animal states. In Orkney folklore there's a creature called a Selkie which can transform themselves between humans and seals. In their human form selkie maids become lovers of fishermen and bear them children, and then swim out to sea as seals.
Its also not a matter of disregarding biological possibilities, since its not science fiction, but fantasy where magic happens. Magic doesn't exactly follow the rules of science.
If it were to follow biological laws, there's no reason to think mermaids would be fish instead of mammals. Some fish also have lungs instead of gills.
Sometimes people who contribute to tvtropes think too much.
All the reason to love TV Tropes more!
The bigger trope I think is that stories sometimes try too hard to come up with scientific explanations when they don't have to. Midi-chlorians?
Touché.
I don't see how it's a problem. Sure, they can't reproduce, but they can still have sex. Just, you know, less different types of sex than humans do.
It IS you.
You are getting old and being less fun.
To be clear; you are LOOKING VERY HARD for sexual references. And sorry, when you were 12, you wouldn't even have realised sexual references or known the meaning of the word subtle.
I suggest you go to church and and do some confessing OR you stop playing ToMI. There's always a lot of crap in forums, but THIS... man.. you really scare me. Pls go see a doctor.
I recommend that french guy on Flotsam Island. I heard he's interested in your brain
they even make love in the ocean. eew.. i'll never go diving again.
god never wanted us to have sex or observe any ideas alluding to it.
SINNER
hahah
This quote is quite hilarious as soon as you get rid of its context
I found em all pretty funny, but there are heaps of other things out there that are way more outrageous than monkey island.
And I don't think that went as far as you are going with the sexual references in ToMI. I still don't get the sexual interpretation of "Jerkbait Islands", could someone explain it to me? (I'm not a native english speaker).
That is NOT a sexual reference.
People are reading into things too much!
yeah that's reaching
It works for "largo" but not for "LaGrande." "Penis" in Spanish is "Pene" and it is masculine, so it would be "ElGrande" for that to work.
I'm a native Spanish speaker... and believe me, it works too (some of the most vulgar names for penis are feminine).