If I recall correctly, wasn't his tail shaped a bit like a hand drill? If so, then that was a hint too.
It's been a while since I played MI2, but I don't remember that puzzle as being any harder than the rest, and English isn't my native language either.
Just reloaded an old save to check. While he didn't have the handdrill tail, he had his arms in a position that is completely unnatural and obviously hinting that he was meant to grip something. And who doesn't use everything on everything, just to check out the responses.
Also, I found out that if you try and drink the near-grog, he only drinks part of it, and it says "1/2 of a bottle of near-grog", and it becomes 1/3, 1/4 etc etc. I tried it all the way up to 1/120. I don't have the stamina to see how long it goes. Thanksfully for LucasArts, he doesn't say how much is in it every time.
You know, it's funny, but I didn't even remember the monkey wrench was in Revenge. I think I remembered it as part of Secret. Although I can't be sure, I really see those two games as one big one, I've pretty much always played them back to back and all. Except on my first play through I guess.
You know, it's funny, but I didn't even remember the monkey wrench was in Revenge. I think I remembered it as part of Secret. Although I can't be sure, I really see those two games as one big one, I've pretty much always played them back to back and all. Except on my first play through I guess.
To be honest I don't remember it at all. I've completed MI2 twice as well, but that was a few years ago now.
I think the best way to handle the monkey wrench puzzle for the remake would just be to draw the hypnotized monkey in an even more obvious wrench-like pose. That way even if people don't get the pun they might still recognize it as a wrench-shaped item.
I think that was my problem. In the book, I loved the end. How Coraline
had planned it all and Other Mother fell in her trap
. It was great.
In the movie, she's completely oblivious to
Other Mother following her
and needs rescuing. I feel it changes the character quite a bit. It gives her a weaker ending, and that annoyed me. The "teamwork" part I felt was more part of it being adapted (you need to give the other actors more of a chance) plus she does get help in the book too, just not quite that much.
I don't think it has much to do with gender, I mean Wybie isn't a macho man or anything like that. I just dislike changes that I feel change what the character is like or is about.
I remember watching a TV episode recently (only a few days ago actually) that was adapted from a book, and they turned a character gay. That, in itself, wouldn't be such a problem. But as a result,
the actions of that character are completely different. The woman he loved but rejected him, causing him to be spiteful and let her die, became the one who hit on him, while he was actually in love with her husband, and hated her because she married him.
It was complete nonsense, everyone's actions meant different things, more notably he became some kind of victim whose love never faded and she became some kind of b*tch who was the one hitting on him rather than the other way around, even though she was married and in love.
I hated that change.
See what I mean? (Spoilered just in case, even though I don't say what it's a TV episode from)
Another thing I think in Coraline is that it was very much her journey in the book. It had happened to others before but she was doing it alone. It's easier to fell how scary it would have been due to that. The movie took a bit of that away I feel.
Yikes. I see what you mean. And that TV example sounds like a veritable pileup of strange and ill-advised changes.
When I think about it, I'm not sure what I'd do if I were in the position of adapting something -- even more so if it's well regarded. There's no way to make everyone happy. Quality issues aside, different people bring different schools of thought to the table when it comes to what an adaptation "should" or "shouldn't" be. Nobody is necessarily wrong, especially if they can back up their position with thoughtful and well-reasoned points, but it doesn't always leave the adapters with much to go off of. That's art for ya, I suppose.
In any case, it looks like Coraline has found its way farther up my book queue. It'll be interesting to see what my take on it will be.
Oh shit, I really hoped that there were no "old pixels" visible in the MI2 SE, mainly because I hoped they would scan in the old painted backgrounds in high resolution again instead of "painting over".
But sadly there are old pixels visible in these screenshots already:
Laundry-screen:
- as mentioned on the left of the left pirate
- many old pixels on the ship planks beneath the pirates (left of the box)
- many old pixels behind the right pirate (in the background)
Woodtick-Bridge
- some old pixels on the rock on the right
So I think we will see quite a few "old pixels" in the MI2 SE. Oh boy why?!? They simply had to scan the old handpainted backgrounds in high resolution again, but instead of that let the chinese painters paint over the low-resolution screens again. What a shame.
Oh shit, I really hoped that there were no "old pixels" visible in the MI2 SE, mainly because I hoped they would scan in the old painted backgrounds in high resolution again instead of "painting over".
But sadly there are old pixels visible in these screenshots already:
Laundry-screen:
- as mentioned on the left of the left pirate
- many old pixels on the ship planks beneath the pirates (left of the box)
- many old pixels behind the right pirate (in the background)
Woodtick-Bridge
- some old pixels on the rock on the right
So I think we will see quite a few "old pixels" in the MI2 SE. Oh boy why?!? They simply had to scan the old handpainted backgrounds in high resolution again, but instead of that let the chinese painters paint over the low-resolution screens again. What a shame.
I don't see any old pixels in the places you mentioned. Also, what "chinese painters"?
sadly there are old pixels visible in these screenshots already:
Laundry-screen:
- as mentioned on the left of the left pirate
- many old pixels on the ship planks beneath the pirates (left of the box)
- many old pixels behind the right pirate (in the background)
Woodtick-Bridge
- some old pixels on the rock on the right
Is it possible that they have their monitors set too dark and are missing this stuff? That happens to me on occasion I will make something on my computer and when I see it someplace else it looks like crap and then I get embarrassed and do not post art for a while.
Even with Chyron8472 highlighting it, I only see the first one pointed out (the one entirely left).
What exactly is horribly broken with the rest which should make me forsake LCR:SE and seek shelter in the nuclear bomb shelter, complaining on the blog?
They simply had to scan the old handpainted backgrounds in high resolution again
Yup, so simple. Probably they aren't available after 20 years, or if so, severly yellowed, but hey; so simple. Also probably not fit for 2000x1000+ monitors, but... so simple.
I mean, why does LA waste their time repainting if they can simply use the old background, everyone got it! And it's not like stuff got painted added there, like the piano (see demo-final comparrison thread).
Silly LA. They could have had it so simple... they are lazier than TTG and their new control system!
When I think about it, I'm not sure what I'd do if I were in the position of adapting something -- even more so if it's well regarded.
I know what you mean. On the one hand I'd want to respect the original work, on the other hand I realise that a book and a movie (for example) work differently and the same story should be told in different ways to end up giving the same vibe and stand alone. Otherwise it's just a "port", if you know what I mean.
People watching the movie shouldn't guess it was adapted from the book if they didn't know it in the first place. (Unless that's what you were going for. I think Sin City for instance makes it obvious it was originally comics, but I think it worked very well).
This being said, I believe that most book, except very short ones, would be adapted better as a series, since a movie would probably be too short. And a series would allow you to see it in several sittings, which is common with a book, and have it divided into episodes, similar to chapters.
Of course it depends but I feel it would be easier to take it all in. I know I have a problem with what I call "American length" movies, that is movies that are two and a half, three, sometimes four hours.
It's just too long for me, I find myself looking at my watch even if I'm interested and I like the movie. I still much prefer the one hour and a half length.
Anyway, I think when you adapt something you have to think in matter of impressions, feelings, vibes, rather than just facts and events. If you just make things happen exactly the same way it might result in a boring movie, you know?
I think if for some weird reason I had to adapt something, I'd feel more comfortable if I was either the author of the original work or stay in touch with them, so I can know what their original intent was for X or Y and try and recreate it.
And I think in the end there will always be people who don't like it.
They simply had to scan the old handpainted backgrounds in high resolution again, but instead of that let the chinese painters paint over the low-resolution screens again. What a shame.
Perhaps he was refering to the fact that the art was made by the LucasArts studio in Singapore, calling them 'Chinese' because of the western generalisation that all asian people are Chinese.
Whoa, I feel like I just blew out a lot of steam there. I'll just... go back to lurking.
Is it possible that they have their monitors set too dark and are missing this stuff? That happens to me on occasion I will make something on my computer and when I see it someplace else it looks like crap and then I get embarrassed and do not post art for a while.
I can't believe people actually notice these things, nevermind care! I bet some people gets a kick out of studying screenshots to the extreme just to find something they can complain about.
Is it possible that they have their monitors set too dark and are missing this stuff? That happens to me on occasion I will make something on my computer and when I see it someplace else it looks like crap and then I get embarrassed and do not post art for a while.
Yeah, that happens to me sometimes too... now whenever I get a new PC or monitor, I try to set it up as best I can with QuickGamma
I can't believe people actually notice these things, nevermind care! I bet some people gets a kick out of studying screenshots to the extreme just to find something they can complain about.
How can you not notice/care? Just look at the way that pixel is... No, wait... that's a bit of food on my monitor... My mistake.
Well, don't wanna read through 10 pages, so sorry if this has been said before.
What if the ending is extended to flow better with Curse of Monkey Island?
Like LeChuck sailing away and Guybrush's escape from the Carnival of the Damned?
Seeing how it is easier to extend the MI2 ending than to extend the MI3 beginning.
I've seen a few mentions of the ending possibly being extended, but has anything been officially hinted or confirmed by LucasArts yet? I think it would be an interesting add-on, but it's a gamble too; if they don't go about it the right way I can imagine people being very disappointed.
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Just reloaded an old save to check. While he didn't have the handdrill tail, he had his arms in a position that is completely unnatural and obviously hinting that he was meant to grip something. And who doesn't use everything on everything, just to check out the responses.
Also, I found out that if you try and drink the near-grog, he only drinks part of it, and it says "1/2 of a bottle of near-grog", and it becomes 1/3, 1/4 etc etc. I tried it all the way up to 1/120. I don't have the stamina to see how long it goes. Thanksfully for LucasArts, he doesn't say how much is in it every time.
To be honest I don't remember it at all. I've completed MI2 twice as well, but that was a few years ago now.
Above the Phatt Island waterfall...
Yikes. I see what you mean. And that TV example sounds like a veritable pileup of strange and ill-advised changes.
When I think about it, I'm not sure what I'd do if I were in the position of adapting something -- even more so if it's well regarded. There's no way to make everyone happy. Quality issues aside, different people bring different schools of thought to the table when it comes to what an adaptation "should" or "shouldn't" be. Nobody is necessarily wrong, especially if they can back up their position with thoughtful and well-reasoned points, but it doesn't always leave the adapters with much to go off of. That's art for ya, I suppose.
In any case, it looks like Coraline has found its way farther up my book queue.
But sadly there are old pixels visible in these screenshots already:
Laundry-screen:
- as mentioned on the left of the left pirate
- many old pixels on the ship planks beneath the pirates (left of the box)
- many old pixels behind the right pirate (in the background)
Woodtick-Bridge
- some old pixels on the rock on the right
So I think we will see quite a few "old pixels" in the MI2 SE. Oh boy why?!? They simply had to scan the old handpainted backgrounds in high resolution again, but instead of that let the chinese painters paint over the low-resolution screens again. What a shame.
I don't see any old pixels in the places you mentioned. Also, what "chinese painters"?
Yeah, I remember somebody mentioning that in the comments of a youtube video. I've never thought of or looked at that scene the same since.
Hey! That sort of thing don't go around here, ya hear.
I think Amyris was talking about how caligraphic the paint strokes on the backgrounds look.
here. let me help you:
What exactly is horribly broken with the rest which should make me forsake LCR:SE and seek shelter in the nuclear bomb shelter, complaining on the blog? Yup, so simple. Probably they aren't available after 20 years, or if so, severly yellowed, but hey; so simple. Also probably not fit for 2000x1000+ monitors, but... so simple.
I mean, why does LA waste their time repainting if they can simply use the old background, everyone got it! And it's not like stuff got painted added there, like the piano (see demo-final comparrison thread).
Silly LA. They could have had it so simple... they are lazier than TTG and their new control system!
I know what you mean. On the one hand I'd want to respect the original work, on the other hand I realise that a book and a movie (for example) work differently and the same story should be told in different ways to end up giving the same vibe and stand alone. Otherwise it's just a "port", if you know what I mean.
People watching the movie shouldn't guess it was adapted from the book if they didn't know it in the first place. (Unless that's what you were going for. I think Sin City for instance makes it obvious it was originally comics, but I think it worked very well).
This being said, I believe that most book, except very short ones, would be adapted better as a series, since a movie would probably be too short. And a series would allow you to see it in several sittings, which is common with a book, and have it divided into episodes, similar to chapters.
Of course it depends but I feel it would be easier to take it all in. I know I have a problem with what I call "American length" movies, that is movies that are two and a half, three, sometimes four hours.
It's just too long for me, I find myself looking at my watch even if I'm interested and I like the movie. I still much prefer the one hour and a half length.
Anyway, I think when you adapt something you have to think in matter of impressions, feelings, vibes, rather than just facts and events. If you just make things happen exactly the same way it might result in a boring movie, you know?
I think if for some weird reason I had to adapt something, I'd feel more comfortable if I was either the author of the original work or stay in touch with them, so I can know what their original intent was for X or Y and try and recreate it.
And I think in the end there will always be people who don't like it.
Perhaps he was refering to the fact that the art was made by the LucasArts studio in Singapore, calling them 'Chinese' because of the western generalisation that all asian people are Chinese.
Whoa, I feel like I just blew out a lot of steam there. I'll just... go back to lurking.
This seems likely.
Yeah, that happens to me sometimes too... now whenever I get a new PC or monitor, I try to set it up as best I can with QuickGamma
How can you not notice/care? Just look at the way that pixel is... No, wait... that's a bit of food on my monitor... My mistake.
Seriously though. These pictures belong on a conspiracy theory website, like www.whereistreasurecrab.com
There's one more place the treasure crab might be: In the bucket!
I hate having to resort to that.
Behold, the monkey wrench. It's a pun.
what about when we obsese with a new body part
I have no way of telling the future... I have not ordered the voodoo cards yet.
Giggity.
Yeahhh...... that DOES make more sense....
What if the ending is extended to flow better with Curse of Monkey Island?
Like LeChuck sailing away and Guybrush's escape from the Carnival of the Damned?
Seeing how it is easier to extend the MI2 ending than to extend the MI3 beginning.
And so, after all these years of being familiar with LeChuck's Revenge, I finally know what a monkey wrench is. I truly fail at life.
(I thought it had something to do with a spanner, but was never entirely sure)
The mind boggles!