anyway, OT: I don't think they were aiming for a closer link to CMI guybrush. If they were, i'm sure they would have changed the body proportions more.
It's not exactly that. They played with the proportions and other design elements to make it look related to both the Curse and Revenge designs, the two fan favorite games. I'm sure I could find a Telltale post somewhere that says this.
p.s don't ask why escape isn't in the timeline :cool:
You left it out in order to spark a discussion that would turn your thread into a conversation about the very thing you pretend to hate, but others really do.
Although the CONCEPT ART of Guybrush in MI4 is better than all of the Special Editions, Curse, and even the original Secret's designs altogether, barely being beat out by Guybrush on the MI2 poster and Tales Guybrush.
I love this style. I hate that dorky belt buckle though.
Guybrush is all those guys, but he's also none of them. When I think of Guybrush, I think of him as a mix between all those designs. He always changes a little and each artist has his own view of the guy. I think that's part of the appeal of the series, the characters allways look different, but still have their essence, their core, their soul. And why? I'd tell you why. The soul of the characters comes from the writing and the voice acting. So Guybrush can be a stick figure in the next game and it wouldn't matter, because as long as it's voiced by Dom Armato and written right, he's the Guybrush we all love.
Although the CONCEPT ART of Guybrush in MI4 is better than all of the Special Editions, Curse, and even the original Secret's designs altogether, barely being beat out by Guybrush on the MI2 poster and Tales Guybrush.
The boxart for EMI also shows a pretty good Guybrush design.
Oh boy, let me just skip by these few pages and pretend nothing ever happened. Oh wait, I mean it totally happened, yes! I just don't want to read it!
Giant Tope, you made me laugh because I thought you had included all the ToMI Guybrushes from each episode regardless of whether they looked the same or not, but then I realized they each had something different. It's still funny though.
Okay. I just came into this thread today, for the first time, and read more than halfway down the whole thread before deciding to skim the rest upon figuring out that it's just one long shouting match between people who want to ignore the EMI game and people who berate them for doing so.
It's been said that if one disregards EMI, then while the first 3 games are still okay, ToMI must be disregarded because it comes after EMI. To this, I say "only if ToMI built upon established facts from EMI and expanded on them." I do not recall any events from EMI affecting ToMI's plot or characters. Sure, the Ultimate Insult was part of the sword, but TTG could create ToMI with it on there and even with EMI never having been made it wouldn't adversely affect the story. Also, Guybrush did mention LeChuck becoming a statue, but he also mentioned a killer walrus, which didn't exist ingame, so from that example the same thing can apply.
I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but if you do, can you please provide other examples? ...anyways, if you take my recollection as accurate that ToMI doesn't follow the plot and character development of EMI, then ignoring the events that occurred in EMI wouldn't affect ToMI.
Okay, really.... To everyone who is pissed about people ignoring EMI, you ought to realize that it really rubs some people the wrong way (myself included) to think of Herman as Grandpa Marley, or the Giant Monkey Head as a big robot, among other things. If any future MI games revisit these places or people that EMI created significant story elements for, and then people accept it but still ignore EMI, then I believe you can accurately call them foolish.
Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, EMI itself ignores previously established facts developed by previous games, such as the absence of anything carnival-related in or around the Giant Monkey Head, and the lack of explanation that Guybrush once climbed into the Giant Monkey Head's mouth, and down a series of vertebrae and ribs connected to it, where now the skeleton is completely absent also (the robot's body is where the skeleton should be.)
By your arguments, and these examples, isn't EMI itself guilty of the acts you're condemning other MI fans for doing?
It's not a matter of ignoring a game exists as much as providing example of the evolution of the character models from the series while purposely leaving one out because he didn't like it.
It's the same as revising history, except way more stupid and unimportant.
Incidentally, I have commented in the past about how I considered EMI never happened, but I meant the game.
I hated the game so much I don't remember most of it. I got rid of it as soon as I managed to finish it, which I did painfully. I don't want to have to remember that.
I don't care at all if the story of EMI is canon in ToMI, I only have a problem with the game itself. And anything referred to in ToMI could very well exist without EMI having existed. I mean, they do refer things that weren't in any game, such as the killer walrus thing. So I don't see why it would be a problem to switch from CMI to ToMI.
Actually, my husband never even played EMI because he only heard bad things about it. I'm sure it won't prevent him from enjoying and understanding ToMI. In his case he hasn't even played it so he's not ignoring the things that were in it, he's just completely unaware of them.
Actually, my husband never even played EMI because he only heard bad things about it. I'm sure it won't prevent him from enjoying and understanding ToMI. In his case he hasn't even played it so he's not ignoring the things that were in it, he's just completely unaware of them.
Giant Tope, you made me laugh because I thought you had included all the ToMI Guybrushes from each episode regardless of whether they looked the same or not, but then I realized they each had something different. It's still funny though.
Yeah, Guybrush went through loads of changes throughout Tales.
Chapter 1: Prologue - Normal Guybrush with normal hand, but his arms stick out really far. Chapter 1: Flotsam - Poxed hand. Chapter 2 - Poxed hand gone, hook now here. Chapter 3: Inside Manatee - Pox spread throughout his body, can be seen on neck, forehead, etc. Chapter 3: Second Half - Possesses Voodoo Lady's body. Chapter 3: End - Cured from the pox, back to normal, still has hook, but arms don't stick out like they did in Chapter 1. Chapter 4: End -
Yeah, Guybrush went through loads of changes throughout Tales.
Chapter 1: Prologue - Normal Guybrush with normal hand, but his arms stick out really far. Chapter 1: Flotsam - Poxed hand. Chapter 2 - Poxed hand gone, hook now here. Chapter 3: Inside Manatee - Pox spread throughout his body, can be seen on neck, forehead, etc. Chapter 3: Second Half - Possesses Voodoo Lady's body. Chapter 3: End - Cured from the pox, back to normal, still has hook, but arms don't stick out like they did in Chapter 1. Chapter 4: End -
I wouldn't count it because I would have to screencap guybrush holding all sorts of different items if I allowed that one. And believe it or not, there's only so much screencapping I can take.
Okay. I just came into this thread today, for the first time, and read more than halfway down the whole thread before deciding to skim the rest upon figuring out that it's just one long shouting match between people who want to ignore the EMI game and people who berate them for doing so.
I'd just like to take yet another opportunity to point out it's not ignoring the canonical events of the storyline or obfuscated plot of EFMI in relation to the other MI games which bothers me.
I fully accept that many people don't like EFMI, and if you don't personally want to consider the events of the game as part of the MI canon storyline then that is reasonably your choice.
The only point at which I have an issue is the way that some people go so far as ignoring that the game ever existed. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it non-existent. That was all I was ever saying all along.
I didn't mean that we had to see every single change to Guybrush's model that has ever been implemented in order to have a reasonable conception of the differences in his design. However, EFMI was a significant design change after CoMI. As I said previously, although it's a ridiculously low poly model, it's actually proportionally more realistic than CoMI Guybrush is. To me this constitutes a very significant change in the design which was what the thread was supposed to be about anyway.
But enough really is enough..I know I can't change what you think/feel, which was never my intent. Just voicing my own opinions on the matter.
While we're going for every unique design you've left out drowned Guybrush from SoMI and SoMI:SE as well as caught-me-with-my-pants-down Guybrush from LCR (of course we don't have the SE version of that out yet). If you really wanted you could toss in drowned Guybrush from CMI but he's the same as the one from SoMI. :cool:
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Also, ToMI's guybrush looks good, so who cares for the "origins"?
Okay guys, discuss.
In essence you have achieved...
Although the CONCEPT ART of Guybrush in MI4 is better than all of the Special Editions, Curse, and even the original Secret's designs altogether, barely being beat out by Guybrush on the MI2 poster and Tales Guybrush.
I love this style. I hate that dorky belt buckle though.
Guybrush is all those guys, but he's also none of them. When I think of Guybrush, I think of him as a mix between all those designs. He always changes a little and each artist has his own view of the guy. I think that's part of the appeal of the series, the characters allways look different, but still have their essence, their core, their soul. And why? I'd tell you why. The soul of the characters comes from the writing and the voice acting. So Guybrush can be a stick figure in the next game and it wouldn't matter, because as long as it's voiced by Dom Armato and written right, he's the Guybrush we all love.
The boxart for EMI also shows a pretty good Guybrush design.
Scullcrotch Zombie Threepwood is my favorite
Giant Tope, you made me laugh because I thought you had included all the ToMI Guybrushes from each episode regardless of whether they looked the same or not, but then I realized they each had something different. It's still funny though.
True, but they're basically the same design; I referenced the concept art because it shows his whole body.
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What were they thinking?
Well golly, Elaine!
It's been said that if one disregards EMI, then while the first 3 games are still okay, ToMI must be disregarded because it comes after EMI. To this, I say "only if ToMI built upon established facts from EMI and expanded on them." I do not recall any events from EMI affecting ToMI's plot or characters. Sure, the Ultimate Insult was part of the sword, but TTG could create ToMI with it on there and even with EMI never having been made it wouldn't adversely affect the story. Also, Guybrush did mention LeChuck becoming a statue, but he also mentioned a killer walrus, which didn't exist ingame, so from that example the same thing can apply.
I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but if you do, can you please provide other examples? ...anyways, if you take my recollection as accurate that ToMI doesn't follow the plot and character development of EMI, then ignoring the events that occurred in EMI wouldn't affect ToMI.
Okay, really.... To everyone who is pissed about people ignoring EMI, you ought to realize that it really rubs some people the wrong way (myself included) to think of Herman as Grandpa Marley, or the Giant Monkey Head as a big robot, among other things. If any future MI games revisit these places or people that EMI created significant story elements for, and then people accept it but still ignore EMI, then I believe you can accurately call them foolish.
Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, EMI itself ignores previously established facts developed by previous games, such as the absence of anything carnival-related in or around the Giant Monkey Head, and the lack of explanation that Guybrush once climbed into the Giant Monkey Head's mouth, and down a series of vertebrae and ribs connected to it, where now the skeleton is completely absent also (the robot's body is where the skeleton should be.)
By your arguments, and these examples, isn't EMI itself guilty of the acts you're condemning other MI fans for doing?
It's the same as revising history, except way more stupid and unimportant.
I hated the game so much I don't remember most of it. I got rid of it as soon as I managed to finish it, which I did painfully. I don't want to have to remember that.
I don't care at all if the story of EMI is canon in ToMI, I only have a problem with the game itself. And anything referred to in ToMI could very well exist without EMI having existed. I mean, they do refer things that weren't in any game, such as the killer walrus thing. So I don't see why it would be a problem to switch from CMI to ToMI.
Actually, my husband never even played EMI because he only heard bad things about it. I'm sure it won't prevent him from enjoying and understanding ToMI. In his case he hasn't even played it so he's not ignoring the things that were in it, he's just completely unaware of them.
Same for my wife.
Yeah, Guybrush went through loads of changes throughout Tales.
Chapter 1: Prologue - Normal Guybrush with normal hand, but his arms stick out really far.
Chapter 1: Flotsam - Poxed hand.
Chapter 2 - Poxed hand gone, hook now here.
Chapter 3: Inside Manatee - Pox spread throughout his body, can be seen on neck, forehead, etc.
Chapter 3: Second Half - Possesses Voodoo Lady's body.
Chapter 3: End - Cured from the pox, back to normal, still has hook, but arms don't stick out like they did in Chapter 1.
Chapter 4: End -
Chapter 5: Beginning - Ghost.
Chapter 5: Middle Onwards - Zombie.
Chapter 5: End - Absolutely normal.
I'm pretty sure his arms are like that because he's trying to balance himself on the rocky ship.
Also, should I go get the ones I'm missing?
If you have absolutely nothing else better that you could be doing with your time, then sure, go ahead.
Yes, and he forgot Guybrush in the diving suit in EMI.
And the Child Guybrush at the end of LCR and Child Guybrush at the end of Curse
Oh, and Guybrush covered in tar without the feathers and Guybrush fallen over with his dress up.
Oh, its the bit where you have to win the diving trophy, coz its a piece of the Ultimate Insult.
Okay, updated updated. Am I missing any more?
I'd just like to take yet another opportunity to point out it's not ignoring the canonical events of the storyline or obfuscated plot of EFMI in relation to the other MI games which bothers me.
I fully accept that many people don't like EFMI, and if you don't personally want to consider the events of the game as part of the MI canon storyline then that is reasonably your choice.
The only point at which I have an issue is the way that some people go so far as ignoring that the game ever existed. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it non-existent. That was all I was ever saying all along.
I didn't mean that we had to see every single change to Guybrush's model that has ever been implemented in order to have a reasonable conception of the differences in his design. However, EFMI was a significant design change after CoMI. As I said previously, although it's a ridiculously low poly model, it's actually proportionally more realistic than CoMI Guybrush is. To me this constitutes a very significant change in the design which was what the thread was supposed to be about anyway.
But enough really is enough..I know I can't change what you think/feel, which was never my intent. Just voicing my own opinions on the matter.
While we're going for every unique design you've left out drowned Guybrush from SoMI and SoMI:SE as well as caught-me-with-my-pants-down Guybrush from LCR (of course we don't have the SE version of that out yet). If you really wanted you could toss in drowned Guybrush from CMI but he's the same as the one from SoMI. :cool:
too tired to do the dunce cap now. i'll do it tommorow.
also: "emi is better then lr"
4/10 troll harder
also also: I'll do drownedbrush both versions tommorow also. The caught with pants down is a bit unfair though.
Haha! Oh yeah, I didn't pick up on that when I was doing it. Pretty funny though.
but its suppost to be fail thats the joke