I haven't played KOTOR2 since it was new, and had it for the XBOX, so replaying it with the patch isn't an option. Can you remind me what her ultimate goal was? I know it was something more then just wiping out the Jedi.
Unrelated to Kreia, but that was another part of KOTOR2 that I recall feeling 'blah' about. The Jedi Order being almost entirely destroyed... been there, done that.
Can we just make a comrade pants, alcoremortis, and comrade mortis circle jerk thread? Or better yet can you guys take it to im? It's gotten to the point where I don't even read your guys posts and so all it does is be sawdust fillers choking out others posts.
Can we just make a comrade pants, alcoremortis, and comrade mortis circle jerk thread? Or better yet can you guys take it to im? It's gotten to the point where I don't even read your guys posts and so all it does is be sawdust fillers choking out others posts.
That hurt my feelings and I wept for hours. I hope you're happy.
I haven't played KOTOR2 since it was new, and had it for the XBOX, so replaying it with the patch isn't an option. Can you remind me what her ultimate goal was? I know it was something more then just wiping out the Jedi.
I've been spelling it out constantly, especially in my first and second posts on the matter. I repeat this quotation:
It is said that the Force has a will, it has a destiny for us all. I wield it, but it uses us all, and that is abhorrent to me. Because I hate the Force. I hate that it seems to have a will, that it would control us to achieve some measure of balance, when countless lives are lost. But in you… I see the potential to see the Force die, to turn away from its will. And that is what pleases me. You are beautiful to me, exile. A dead spot in the Force, an emptiness in which its will might be denied.
Her end goal, her desire for the universe, is to kill the Force. That, by using the player character, one who had consciously chosen to strip themselves of that connection, to kill what is essentially God in the Star Wars galaxy. This is at the core of her teachings. It is why she denies the Jedi and the Sith, who cling to the Force in their own ways. It is why she chooses you, because you are the only person to ever consciously sever THEMSELVES from the Force, because that disconnect created a wound in which the Force's will did not reach. She wanted to destroy fate and the basis of all Force-based religion, and only took on the "Jedi" and "Sith" mantles as tools toward that greater end.
Unrelated to Kreia, but that was another part of KOTOR2 that I recall feeling 'blah' about. The Jedi Order being almost entirely destroyed... been there, done that.
First, my Aperture coffee mug, then the same color on the pie chart and now time travel? Is everyone's personal goal trying to wipe out any individuality I may possess?
You'll have to tell me sometime how you managed it. All my time machine does is sit there, looking like the cardboard box it is.
Did you put glitter and tin foil on it and write "TYM MUSHEEN" in gold gel pen? That's the only way. Also, you have to hum the Doctor Who theme from the 80s while you're time traveling.
Did you put glitter and tin foil on it and write "TYM MUSHEEN" in gold gel pen? That's the only way. Also, you have to hum the Doctor Who theme from the 80s while you're time traveling.
Great Scott! I think I forgot that bit. To the Arts and Crafts store! There's like fifty bazillion of them around here, so it shouldn't be an issue.
Did you put glitter and tin foil on it and write "TYM MUSHEEN" in gold gel pen? That's the only way. Also, you have to hum the Doctor Who theme from the 80s while you're time traveling.
but be sure that at least one of the E's is backwards and the 1/3 of the letters are whimsically askew
The Jedi Order is destroyed in KOTOR 2. The Jedi Order is destroyed in the films. The Jedi being wiped out only to have Luke restore them is cheapened (to me at least) by the fact that it's already happened once or twice before.
How was Kreia or the Exile going to destroy the Force? The Force is prevalent in all things. It surrounds us and binds us, yadda yadda. Even the Yuuzhan Vong's homeworld has the Force.
I also have an issue with Malachor V being such a huge battle that it created an ever-lasting "wound in the Force," when the films and fiction never to my knowledge indicated anything similar in the Alderaan system. Aside from trained Force-users feeling something when it happened, there isn't anything special about the Alderaan system afterwards other then the asteroid field that used to be the planet.
Can we just make a comrade pants, alcoremortis, and comrade mortis circle jerk thread? Or better yet can you guys take it to im? It's gotten to the point where I don't even read your guys posts and so all it does is be sawdust fillers choking out others posts.
Can we just make a comrade pants, alcoremortis, and comrade mortis circle jerk thread? Or better yet can you guys take it to im? It's gotten to the point where I don't even read your guys posts and so all it does is be sawdust fillers choking out others posts.
I like this solution. As much as I hate having yet another dumping ground thread, this has gotten out of hand. I'll take care of it when I finish landscaping today.
I hope you guys are happy. I'm subjecting you three to The Doodo Imperative.
I like this solution. As much as I hate having yet another dumping ground thread, this has gotten out of hand. I'll take care of it when I finish landscaping today.
I hope you guys are happy. I'm subjecting you three to The Doodo Imperative.
The Jedi Order is destroyed in KOTOR 2. The Jedi Order is destroyed in the films. The Jedi being wiped out only to have Luke restore them is cheapened (to me at least) by the fact that it's already happened once or twice before.
The Order has lasted for thousands of years. These games take place roughly 4,000 years before the films. By comparison, the United States has lasted for 235 years. Extremely few RELIGIONS, let alone a specific religious group, has lasted more than a couple thousand years. To say that it's unrealistic that a massive turmoil and restructuring of a religious sect that is ALWAYS AT WAR might happen twice within a 4,000 year period is ridiculous and shows a complete disregard for scale. More than that, to simply ignore a part of what made the original trilogy work because "it happened before" is to completely lack understanding of what it means to adapt from a fictional universe.
How was Kreia or the Exile going to destroy the Force? The Force is prevalent in all things. It surrounds us and binds us, yadda yadda. Even the Yuuzhan Vong's homeworld has the Force.
You don't get it.
Kreia is an Antitheist. She feels that ever-present will of the Force, and she relies on it even as she despises it. She sees the Jedi Exile, who was able to choose to sever themselves from the Force completely. Essentially, Kreia saw a lesson in the Exile that she could not find anywhere else, that one could create an event that can create holes in the Force.
I also have an issue with Malachor V being such a huge battle that it created an ever-lasting "wound in the Force," when the films and fiction never to my knowledge indicated anything similar in the Alderaan system. Aside from trained Force-users feeling something when it happened, there isn't anything special about the Alderaan system afterwards other then the asteroid field that used to be the planet.
Alderaan wasn't a battle of Jedi. The Death Star, and the slaughter that it wrought, is not a thing of the true war that Revan fought. Consistently in story dialogs, it's said that Revan never fought the Mandalorians because they were a threat. The Death Star was a matter of another war, a war of machines.
You see, the war, the true war, has never been one waged by droids, warships, or soldiers. They are but crude matter, obstacles against which we test ourselves. The true war is waged in the hearts of all living things, against our own natures, light or dark. That is what shapes and binds this galaxy, not these creations of man.
Revan did not wield the Mass Shadow Generator the same way that Malak intended to wield the Star Forge, nor the same way the Imperials intended to wield the Death Star. Darth Vader understood the uselessness of such weapons.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force
Avellone plays on this. When Revan destroys a planet, it is not the destroy a planet. It is to errode the will of Force Sensitives, to turn the tide of those who can feel and use the Force by converting others to his side. Malachor wasn't a wound, not the way the Exile was. It was a place that, through the death of many Jedi, through horror and evil, through the mass conversion of Jedi to the Dark Side, became a place of evila place capable of turning Jedi. That is why the Exile leaves it alone if s/he is a Dark Side character, and why s/he destroys it if he is a Light Side character.
Malachor wasn't the wound. That was the Exile, a man or a woman whose deep connections with many men and women on that battlefield caused him to HAVE to sever his connection to the Force himself, as it would otherwise kill them or drive them mad. To misunderstand this is to misunderstand the entire narrative arc of the game. When discussing the wound and Malachor together, Kreia was referring to the power of events, events like Malachor V, to push Jedi and Sith to see your way of thinking, that the power of Malachor V was able to create the Exile, a person who had been able to cut themselves off from The Force and become a blank spot in it.
It is a thing of hypnotic beauty and/or ugliness! I'm rather pleased that the "top dozen posters are responsible for more than 50% of posts" theory holds up.
Four people are responsible for a quarter of the posts, 11 for half. That... sounds about right.
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So shall it be!
I haven't played KOTOR2 since it was new, and had it for the XBOX, so replaying it with the patch isn't an option. Can you remind me what her ultimate goal was? I know it was something more then just wiping out the Jedi.
Unrelated to Kreia, but that was another part of KOTOR2 that I recall feeling 'blah' about. The Jedi Order being almost entirely destroyed... been there, done that.
I await with anticipation.
Bringing back people is a bad idea. It can irrevocably mess with the time stream.
I'll see what I can do. Law enforcement in those days was spotty, but important people had their protection...
Tell that to Bill and Ted. It worked out great for them!
That hurt my feelings and I wept for hours. I hope you're happy.
but i have a paddle
Her end goal, her desire for the universe, is to kill the Force. That, by using the player character, one who had consciously chosen to strip themselves of that connection, to kill what is essentially God in the Star Wars galaxy. This is at the core of her teachings. It is why she denies the Jedi and the Sith, who cling to the Force in their own ways. It is why she chooses you, because you are the only person to ever consciously sever THEMSELVES from the Force, because that disconnect created a wound in which the Force's will did not reach. She wanted to destroy fate and the basis of all Force-based religion, and only took on the "Jedi" and "Sith" mantles as tools toward that greater end.
...you're going to have to clarify this one.
Thanks for the suggestion. I will. They should learn that time is not a toy.
The beauty of time travel, huh?
I know, right? It's great! I'm already ecstatic again!
You'll have to tell me sometime how you managed it. All my time machine does is sit there, looking like the cardboard box it is.
Did you put glitter and tin foil on it and write "TYM MUSHEEN" in gold gel pen? That's the only way. Also, you have to hum the Doctor Who theme from the 80s while you're time traveling.
Great Scott! I think I forgot that bit. To the Arts and Crafts store! There's like fifty bazillion of them around here, so it shouldn't be an issue.
but be sure that at least one of the E's is backwards and the 1/3 of the letters are whimsically askew
How was Kreia or the Exile going to destroy the Force? The Force is prevalent in all things. It surrounds us and binds us, yadda yadda. Even the Yuuzhan Vong's homeworld has the Force.
I also have an issue with Malachor V being such a huge battle that it created an ever-lasting "wound in the Force," when the films and fiction never to my knowledge indicated anything similar in the Alderaan system. Aside from trained Force-users feeling something when it happened, there isn't anything special about the Alderaan system afterwards other then the asteroid field that used to be the planet.
And stars have to be drawn on in crayons. THIS IS CRUCIAL.
Okay. I'll have to put crayons on my list. This time machine-building thing is turning out to be pretty expensive!
I think you got your answer!
Starring Alcoremortis, Secret Fawful and introducing Rather Dashing as Sergeant Greg Kittles. And now, here's your host... COMRADE PANTS!
(This needs pics. Fawful, if you would be so kind; would you provide some pics?)
Sweet! I'm in a...post?
Will I be able to get an Oscar for this?
2,000 posts to many
Oh, come on. Maybe 800 posts too many, but 2000? Methinks someone is a tad unfair.
2,002 to many
395 to many.
I like this solution. As much as I hate having yet another dumping ground thread, this has gotten out of hand. I'll take care of it when I finish landscaping today.
I hope you guys are happy. I'm subjecting you three to The Doodo Imperative.
Is that like trapping them in the phantom zone?
You don't get it.
Kreia is an Antitheist. She feels that ever-present will of the Force, and she relies on it even as she despises it. She sees the Jedi Exile, who was able to choose to sever themselves from the Force completely. Essentially, Kreia saw a lesson in the Exile that she could not find anywhere else, that one could create an event that can create holes in the Force.
Alderaan wasn't a battle of Jedi. The Death Star, and the slaughter that it wrought, is not a thing of the true war that Revan fought. Consistently in story dialogs, it's said that Revan never fought the Mandalorians because they were a threat. The Death Star was a matter of another war, a war of machines.
Revan did not wield the Mass Shadow Generator the same way that Malak intended to wield the Star Forge, nor the same way the Imperials intended to wield the Death Star. Darth Vader understood the uselessness of such weapons.
Avellone plays on this. When Revan destroys a planet, it is not the destroy a planet. It is to errode the will of Force Sensitives, to turn the tide of those who can feel and use the Force by converting others to his side. Malachor wasn't a wound, not the way the Exile was. It was a place that, through the death of many Jedi, through horror and evil, through the mass conversion of Jedi to the Dark Side, became a place of evila place capable of turning Jedi. That is why the Exile leaves it alone if s/he is a Dark Side character, and why s/he destroys it if he is a Light Side character.
Malachor wasn't the wound. That was the Exile, a man or a woman whose deep connections with many men and women on that battlefield caused him to HAVE to sever his connection to the Force himself, as it would otherwise kill them or drive them mad. To misunderstand this is to misunderstand the entire narrative arc of the game. When discussing the wound and Malachor together, Kreia was referring to the power of events, events like Malachor V, to push Jedi and Sith to see your way of thinking, that the power of Malachor V was able to create the Exile, a person who had been able to cut themselves off from The Force and become a blank spot in it.
Four people are responsible for a quarter of the posts, 11 for half. That... sounds about right.
Yes, it's just for this thread. Where have you been?
Hey! What about me?
In 3D.
Stunning.
He'll probably cast you as an extra. A quirky extra.
But... but... we can't be that bad... can we?
I dunno. You can be Charles, the broker. Yeah. He has three awesome scenes and a car chase gun fight. Enjoy!
ಠ_ಠ
Pants, I am disappoint.
You can.
:mad:
This sounds like we're being sent to prison.
Nah, it's cool. Your wardrobe for this production is a clown wig, Groucho Marx glasses and a wizard's robe. Enjoy!
Y so srs?
We are.
The punishment is most unbefitting the alleged 'crime.'