It's really not racist at all. Besides, consider my point of view for a second. These are people saying that there's a reason for all the terrible shit in the world - in the lives of myself and some people who are very close to me. Can you not see how I might take exception to that? I'm not even telling them to shut up. I'm merely asking that they take it elsewhere. What is so horrible about that?
Segregation. The world (aka the forum) doesn't revolve around you. People don't need to go away to suit your whims. Debating is fine. Arguing is fine. Telling them they're ignorant and wrong is fine. Expressing your opinion is fine. Even if you express it over and over again and crow on and on. But every person has the right to express that opinion on a forum. Anyone who says otherwise is a bully and an ass. Plus, and this is something I've only recently realized: we waste a lot of effort and precious energy getting mad at people on the internet. Gotta stay calm or you've already become stupid.
Segregation. The world (aka the forum) doesn't revolve around you. People don't need to go away to suit your whims. Debating is fine. Arguing is fine. Telling them they're ignorant and wrong is fine. Expressing your opinion is fine. Even if you express it over and over again and crow on and on. But every person has the right to express that opinion on a forum. Anyone who says otherwise is a bully and an ass. Plus, and this is something I've only recently realized: we waste a lot of effort and precious energy getting mad at people on the internet. Gotta stay calm or you've already become stupid.
Which means that I can tell them on and on that I wish they'd take it elsewhere. That's my opinion. However, you're right about getting mad at people online, I suppose.
Pants. Give it a rest already. If two people were trying to talk about MLP or Power Rangers or wrestling or whatever, it would be pretty douchey for someone who doesn't like and/or agree with those things to (repeatedly) denigrate them and tell them it has to be in another thread. No one is proselytising / trying to convert you. Just leave them be.
I understand your friend's situation might be making you particularly angry. Please don't make me hand out a ban.
I'm currently watching someone about whom I care immensely go through the hardest period in their life. I won't divulge what it is or who it is . . . .
Hey, Comrade, in what may be a total coincidence, I see your friend Lyssa-Bee's Blogger blog and profile just went poof. And then I saw your reference above. I don't know if you want to confirm or deny that it's her, but if it is, please let her know that others in cyberspace are rooting for her to get through whatever it is. And if it's not her, and she just felt like deleting the blog or making it non-public (or Google is burping again), then never mind. Thanks!
"The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holder’s lack of rational conviction. Opinions in politics and religion are almost always held passionately."
Pants. Give it a rest already. If two people were trying to talk about MLP or Power Rangers or wrestling or whatever, it would be pretty douchey for someone who doesn't like and/or agree with those things to (repeatedly) denigrate them and tell them it has to be in another thread. No one is proselytising / trying to convert you. Just leave them be.
I understand your friend's situation might be making you particularly angry. Please don't make me hand out a ban.
I fail to see the equivalence. Those things don't have the power to make things less horrible in the world, choose not to, and still get worshipped by billions. I really don't see how it's so horrible to ask that they discuss it elsewhere. If anyone can explain that satisfactorily, I'll gladly drop it.
Hey, Comrade, in what may be a total coincidence, I see your friend Lyssa-Bee's Blogger blog and profile just went poof. And then I saw your reference above. I don't know if you want to confirm or deny that it's her, but if it is, please let her know that others in cyberspace are rooting for her to get through whatever it is. And if it's not her, and she just felt like deleting the blog or making it non-public (or Google is burping again), then never mind. Thanks!
Not her, though she is one of my best friends. This is a family issue, not anything that a friend or myself is going through. Thanks a million for your sympathy, regardless.
"The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holder’s lack of rational conviction. Opinions in politics and religion are almost always held passionately."
Because an unattributed quote totally makes it true. Besides, I have plenty of reason for the things I'm passionate about: guns, justice and, this particular case: my disdain for Abrahamic religion.
This is a family issue, not anything that a friend or myself is going through.
I don't know what the situation is but I know what its like to see someone you love in pain. I'm sorry you have to go through that and wish the best for you and your family.
"The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holder’s lack of rational conviction. Opinions in politics and religion are almost always held passionately."
Who said this quote? I would love to use this whenever my friends bring up how right they are in politics...
EDIT:Also, do I win for lasting an entire busy day under the energy of just one sip of coke? Because I never slept last night and that is what happened to me.
I fail to see the equivalence. Those things don't have the power to make things less horrible in the world, choose not to, and still get worshipped by billions. I really don't see how it's so horrible to ask that they discuss it elsewhere. If anyone can explain that satisfactorily, I'll gladly drop it.
If an all-powerful being fixed everything in the world, the world would be fucking boring. And I'd be out of a job.
Also, because I think this will mean more to you, BDSM wouldn't exist anymore.
Highly persuasive, but you'd think he could at least shave off the famine, disease, war, poverty, divorce, and addiction stuff, right?
Suppose He did. Then you'd be complaining about having to take out the trash by yourself. The larger problems are there so that the smaller ones diminish into obscurity so that we can focus on the larger problems.
Maybe really big problems have already been removed and these ARE the smaller problems that we can deal with. I mean, we're not fighting off hordes of aliens or having to deal with parasitoids. Maybe this IS the better version.
Of course, there's also the "shit happens" explanation. I'm quite partial to that one.
Highly persuasive, but you'd think he could at least shave off the famine, disease, war, poverty, divorce, and addiction stuff, right?
No. Those things give the world meaning and perspective: they give us a spectrum of things to hate, to fight against, and to fight together on. If we didn't suffer, there would be nothing for humanity to work through. I'm not getting into a religion debate, but the way I see it is this: the horrors on our world give us perspective and purpose and cause, and the beauties give us hope and joy and respect and imagination. Humans aren't the meaningless insects you make them out to be: we have charge of our own world and we have the means to make it what we want it to be and that is a great cause in and of itself. The universe outside doesn't matter. Earth isn't an awful place either: it's a beautiful place full of majesty and life. Horrible things happen here...sure....but we haven't used up even a ten billionth of our chances to succeed.
No. Those things give the world meaning and perspective: they give us a spectrum of things to hate, to fight against, and to fight together on. If we didn't suffer, there would be nothing for humanity to work through.
And no war games! I would never have had the opportunity to blow up aliens on my computer. The Noir detective genre would be defunct because nobody wants to read about a noir detective who doesn't have an alcohol addiction or isn't dirt poor. Evolution wouldn't work because that requires diseases and death to select the fittest.
We'd probably have less interesting art because artists seem to get inspiration from suffering for some reason.
But innocent people not having to suffer for no reason seems like a good trade off.
This, essentially, is why I believe that if there is a god he/she/it must be a tremendous asshole and that worshipping him/her/it is pretty insulting to those that suffer.
But innocent people not having to suffer for no reason seems like a good trade off.
No. The world as we know it would be a much more horrible place without these things. Without them we would become selfish, listless, lazy, hateful, and we would not gain the necessary traits to co-exist. We would take life for granted and everything on this earth, and we would destroy ourselves far faster without the mistakes we've made and the warning the horrors on the planet provide. Sorry, Pants, but latching so fast to coolsome's response as an easy out makes you look like you don't even want to consider the Earth a good place with good people, because you're not even considering the opposite possibilities. Honestly, you're just being a frustrating person to try to talk to. This is why I ignore so much of what you say on these matters, because you NEVER consider ALL THE ANGLES. YOU NEVER DO IT. YOU ARE NO philosopher.
Sorry, Pants, but latching so fast to coolsome's response as an easy out makes you look like you don't even want to consider the Earth a good place with good people, because you're not even considering the opposite possibilities.
Well, it isn't. I mean, have you seen what we do to each other even with these supposedly enriching experiences? People are pretty horrible. That's one of the many reasons why we prize good people so much. Ask yourself this; You're on your way to see your girlfriend and you've been apart from her for some time. At the side of the road, there's a wreck and everyone is driving past. Do you stop for it or do you keep going?
Most people, I'm sorry to say, would keep going. It's easier to do and it reflects on us as a society and as a species. There are good people, yes, and there's much in this world to enjoy - many of those people and things being right in this forum and prompting me to keep coming here - but by and large, I haven't got a very high opinion of our species or our planet, regrettably.
Well, the planet itself I quite like. When it isn't hurling disease, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes and floods at us, it holds awe inspiring beauty and wonder. We are, regrettably, trapped here for the conceivable future. However, there is no more beautiful place that we know of in the cosmos to be trapped.
It's society, politics, nations, and their interactions which I loath. I should have specified that.
Debate over. It's not that I can't...but if I do I'm afraid I'm going to get angry to the point of regrettable action. Nobody...and I mean NOBODY is going to tell me that the human race is a mass of worthless insects and no one is going to tell me that the Earth is not a beautiful place. It's taking every ounce of my willpower not to say something horrible and hypocritical, like "This planet is better off without you. Now die!" and then nuke your house from orbit. I like you an awful lot, Chris, but you piss me off with this anti-humans anti-Earth shit.
Debate over. It's not that I can't...but if I do I'm afraid I'm going to get angry to the point of regrettable action. Nobody...and I mean NOBODY is going to tell me that the human race is a mass of worthless insects and no one is going to tell me that the Earth is not a beautiful place. It's taking every ounce of my willpower not to say something horrible and hypocritical, like "This planet is better off without you. Now die!" and then nuke your house from orbit. I like you an awful lot, Chris, but you piss me off with this anti-humans anti-Earth shit.
Well, I should restate that I'm not necessarily anti-Earth and I like an awful lot of people, but it is probably just best to drop it.
I like the planet even with the violent weather. It's a real shame that people are caught in the middle, but it is all beautiful and amazing. From a guy who bears the insanely cold weather for half of every year, I think that's quite the remark.
Comrade pants one of the things I have learned about suffering is that we all do it in life. It is impossible to eliminate the suffering of the world and especially the suffering of those we are close too. There are some causes of suffering that have no explanation . All one can do is what one can do,that is it. You alone must determine what your capabilities are in all aspects of your life that will give the suffering person just one minute of less or no suffering. Sometimes just your presence is enough. You do not have to say or do anything but through your being there you are manifesting what is so good about having lived life. In the grand scheme of life ,does it really matter if there is God ? Or is it more important to love thy neighbor as thyself? A loving God would chose the latter .Peace to you and your friend.
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Segregation. The world (aka the forum) doesn't revolve around you. People don't need to go away to suit your whims. Debating is fine. Arguing is fine. Telling them they're ignorant and wrong is fine. Expressing your opinion is fine. Even if you express it over and over again and crow on and on. But every person has the right to express that opinion on a forum. Anyone who says otherwise is a bully and an ass. Plus, and this is something I've only recently realized: we waste a lot of effort and precious energy getting mad at people on the internet. Gotta stay calm or you've already become stupid.
Sexist.
Did I win?
EDIT:Crap, 29,999. Well that will probably give it to Comrade Pants who will post against Secret Fawful now...
Nope. I did.
Which means that I can tell them on and on that I wish they'd take it elsewhere. That's my opinion. However, you're right about getting mad at people online, I suppose.
CURSE YOU COMRADE PANTS.
I had a prediction you would win it arguing against fawful anyway:p
I understand your friend's situation might be making you particularly angry. Please don't make me hand out a ban.
Hey, Comrade, in what may be a total coincidence, I see your friend Lyssa-Bee's Blogger blog and profile just went poof. And then I saw your reference above. I don't know if you want to confirm or deny that it's her, but if it is, please let her know that others in cyberspace are rooting for her to get through whatever it is. And if it's not her, and she just felt like deleting the blog or making it non-public (or Google is burping again), then never mind. Thanks!
I fail to see the equivalence. Those things don't have the power to make things less horrible in the world, choose not to, and still get worshipped by billions. I really don't see how it's so horrible to ask that they discuss it elsewhere. If anyone can explain that satisfactorily, I'll gladly drop it.
Not her, though she is one of my best friends. This is a family issue, not anything that a friend or myself is going through. Thanks a million for your sympathy, regardless.
Because an unattributed quote totally makes it true. Besides, I have plenty of reason for the things I'm passionate about: guns, justice and, this particular case: my disdain for Abrahamic religion.
I don't know what the situation is but I know what its like to see someone you love in pain. I'm sorry you have to go through that and wish the best for you and your family.
Thanks for the info. Otherwise, I would have been stuck wondering probably forever. I do wish the actual person well, too.
OK, I guess I have to say the predictable thing here: How much are you willing to pay us?
Who said this quote? I would love to use this whenever my friends bring up how right they are in politics...
EDIT:Also, do I win for lasting an entire busy day under the energy of just one sip of coke? Because I never slept last night and that is what happened to me.
If an all-powerful being fixed everything in the world, the world would be fucking boring. And I'd be out of a job.
Also, because I think this will mean more to you, BDSM wouldn't exist anymore.
I want no part of that sick world!
Highly persuasive, but you'd think he could at least shave off the famine, disease, war, poverty, divorce, and addiction stuff, right?
Second. Vanilla is so boring. Boring!
Suppose He did. Then you'd be complaining about having to take out the trash by yourself. The larger problems are there so that the smaller ones diminish into obscurity so that we can focus on the larger problems.
Maybe really big problems have already been removed and these ARE the smaller problems that we can deal with. I mean, we're not fighting off hordes of aliens or having to deal with parasitoids. Maybe this IS the better version.
Of course, there's also the "shit happens" explanation. I'm quite partial to that one.
No. Those things give the world meaning and perspective: they give us a spectrum of things to hate, to fight against, and to fight together on. If we didn't suffer, there would be nothing for humanity to work through. I'm not getting into a religion debate, but the way I see it is this: the horrors on our world give us perspective and purpose and cause, and the beauties give us hope and joy and respect and imagination. Humans aren't the meaningless insects you make them out to be: we have charge of our own world and we have the means to make it what we want it to be and that is a great cause in and of itself. The universe outside doesn't matter. Earth isn't an awful place either: it's a beautiful place full of majesty and life. Horrible things happen here...sure....but we haven't used up even a ten billionth of our chances to succeed.
And no war games! I would never have had the opportunity to blow up aliens on my computer. The Noir detective genre would be defunct because nobody wants to read about a noir detective who doesn't have an alcohol addiction or isn't dirt poor. Evolution wouldn't work because that requires diseases and death to select the fittest.
We'd probably have less interesting art because artists seem to get inspiration from suffering for some reason.
I guess that's nothing I didn't know already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhEjXYvS08w
This, essentially, is why I believe that if there is a god he/she/it must be a tremendous asshole and that worshipping him/her/it is pretty insulting to those that suffer.
No. The world as we know it would be a much more horrible place without these things. Without them we would become selfish, listless, lazy, hateful, and we would not gain the necessary traits to co-exist. We would take life for granted and everything on this earth, and we would destroy ourselves far faster without the mistakes we've made and the warning the horrors on the planet provide. Sorry, Pants, but latching so fast to coolsome's response as an easy out makes you look like you don't even want to consider the Earth a good place with good people, because you're not even considering the opposite possibilities. Honestly, you're just being a frustrating person to try to talk to. This is why I ignore so much of what you say on these matters, because you NEVER consider ALL THE ANGLES. YOU NEVER DO IT. YOU ARE NO philosopher.
Well, it isn't. I mean, have you seen what we do to each other even with these supposedly enriching experiences? People are pretty horrible. That's one of the many reasons why we prize good people so much. Ask yourself this; You're on your way to see your girlfriend and you've been apart from her for some time. At the side of the road, there's a wreck and everyone is driving past. Do you stop for it or do you keep going?
Most people, I'm sorry to say, would keep going. It's easier to do and it reflects on us as a society and as a species. There are good people, yes, and there's much in this world to enjoy - many of those people and things being right in this forum and prompting me to keep coming here - but by and large, I haven't got a very high opinion of our species or our planet, regrettably.
It's society, politics, nations, and their interactions which I loath. I should have specified that.
Well, I should restate that I'm not necessarily anti-Earth and I like an awful lot of people, but it is probably just best to drop it.
I think we all just need to follow the pikachu, and relax...
BANANA!!!