Seriously, though. They already addressed this. For the sake of gameplay, there will be toys from Arkham City plus new ones. They acknowledge how he should have less and simpler utilities than Arkham Asylum, but after Arkham City, it would make for a more disappointing game. One of those things that probably should have been left unsaid because of the die hard fanbase, but they're right. Let's face it, the 50+% of the people that will by the game solely on the back of 'City rather than following canon, would consider it a failure as well as most reviewers if they downgraded Batman.
Oh I agree. I would've thoroughly enjoyed a prequel where Batman has almost nothing and is more ninja samurai than anything, but people are uncomfortable with change.
I can forgive the more armored look though. He wouldn't have the advanced tech to make more protective stuff like he has in Arkham Asylum/City, so armor it must be.
How to really jump the shark on your Cinematic Universe! Your rebooted Superman character has just been introduced into his world. He is literally the first superhero and in his first go-round has dealt with an army of Kryptonians bent on destroying our world and rebuilding Krypton on top of it! Sections of both Smallville and Metropolis are left in ruins! And this hero, in spite of having no official legal status, has acted unilaterally as judge, jury, and executioner by breaking the neck of General Zod! How do you follow up on this?
A. A deep, thoughtful story with Superman reflecting on what he did with bouts against unknown robotic invaders later discovered to be Brainiac probes.
B. Superman must come to terms with the fact that he could potentially abuse his own powers while fighting against a mutant named Parasite that can drain him of his powers AND memories.
C. Superman becomes the target of a smear campaign by Metropolis's biggest businessman, Lex Luthor, who points out that Superman has killed before and since no weapon on Earth can harm him, there is nothing to prevent him from doing it again. Superman must come to terms with the responsibilities placed on him while fending off unknown assailants who utilize stolen Kryptonian weaponry before facing off with Lex Luthor himself in a powered armor suit.
D. None of the above.
If you answered A, B, or C, then you're completely missing the point of Shark Jumping 101! It's quite obviously D! What you do is you throw Batman into the mix and make Superman and Batman fight! It's brilliant because very few of the fanbase will take the time to look at it logically and realize that it's at least one movie too soon to bring the Dark Knight into the picture. They won't realize that the new Man of Steel needs time to fit into his world comfortably before starting to bring in other DC heroes. They won't realize that the addition of Batman will take attention away from Superman! They'll just get sucked into the hype! Brilliant! Genius! That's what they'll call you as you...JUMP THE SHARK! Congratulations!
Also, I wonder how they’ll handle the Batman reboot, seeing as how they’re having him appear before that movie will even be released. As for the three sequel ideas you have, which are great, there’s always a way to incorporate one of those into the second movie, which probably won’t be called Man of Steel 2, but World’s Finest.
I mean, you have seen the animated Batman/Superman Movie, right?
It's cos no one will pay to see another Batman origin story movie and they need to introduce him for the JL movie. It's the same principal as a popular TV show having a back door pilot when they suddenly follow new character's no one has ever seen before.
It's cos no one will pay to see another Batman origin story movie and they need to introduce him for the JL movie. It's the same principal as a popular TV show having a back door pilot when they suddenly follow new character's no one has ever seen before.
So enormous plot holes and a villian no one can understand?
No, they don't need to introduce Batman for the JL movie. The JL movie isn't coming out til 2017 or so the rumors say. Plenty of time for a standalone Man of Steel sequel and THEN The World's Finest.
Also The Dark Knight Returns =/= The Dark Knight Rises.
No, they don't need to introduce Batman for the JL movie. The JL movie isn't coming out til 2017 or so the rumors say. Plenty of time for a standalone Man of Steel sequel and THEN The World's Finest.
No cos Dark Knight movies are still fresh in our heads and most people wont pay to see another origin movie.
Actually, I think the general feeling amongst both fans is concern.
Only one of my friends is excited by the announcement. Everyone else feels as though it is either too early or it shouldn't be done at all. The folks who have read the comics and novels should be even more concerned as(and I really don't think I'm out of place on this one) EVERY major crossover between Superman and Batman in the canon felt forced and out of place(especially TDKR which they cited as inspiration).
I really don't think this is a good idea for either franchise. Not in the live action universe. I was not a huge fan of The Avengers and I felt that movie barely held it together combining heroes. All the depth and substance laid for each hero as a person was tossed out the window. Now bring in Superman and Batman. The two biggest names...ever. Face it, nobody else even comes close in popularity. Marvel may own the title for complete roster, but DC definitely has 1 & 2.
This is an immense disaster waiting to happen. I'm not kidding here. If this movie doesn't blow Avengers completely out of the water, which isn't likely as a lot of people hailed that film as a masterpiece, the film will just defecate all over both franchises. A bad animated film is much easier to ignore than live action.
In this episode, the motive behind the crime is environmentalism. What a load of shit! Still, the action sequences were very Batman-y and was able to have a sense of violence that TB&TB didn’t have.
A bad animated film is much easier to ignore than live action.
I hated Zack Snyder’s stuff up until Man of Steel. I have faith. As long as this new Batman is nothing like Val Kilmer, Adam West, George Clooney or Michael Keaton, then I’m okay with it.
Maybe World’s Finest will be a stand alone movie, like how Tony Stark is in the Iron Man movies and The Avengers movies.
I still think the villain in Justice League should be Darkseid.
They straight up said this is the Man of Steel sequel, just with Batman. And no, I haven't seen the animated movie. I still think this is jumping the shark. Which is strange to me because I'd usually be so hyped for this no one could stand to be around me. It just really feels too soon to me.
Jumping the shark? Don’t you mean Nuking the Fridge?
Another thing, I really don’t think that the Batman reboot should try to be a bullshit rip-off of the Nolanverse. Here’s a list.
Damien Lewis as The Riddler
Javier Bardem as Ra’s Al Ghul
Ron Perlman as Clayface
Andy Serkis as Mad Hatter
Ben Foster or Crispin Glover as The Joker
Eva Green as Poison Ivy
I hated Zack Snyder’s stuff up until Man of Steel. I have faith. As long as this new Batman is nothing like Val Kilmer, Adam West, George Clooney or Michael Keaton, then I’m okay with it.
Michael Keaton?! WTF?! He is the BEST live action Batman! What we don't want is another fucking Christian Bale. That's what worries me the most. Sure, Snyder is the director, but Nolan is still involved and frankly, Nolan doesn't understand what makes Batman REALLY work. He's not a glorified street thug with borrowed technology and smarter minds around him. Batman is a genius-level martial artist who builds his own toys and who is first and foremost a DETECTIVE. Snyder shows me that he understands the Batman, then I'll be on board. Show me the actor, show me the suit, and show me how he fights.
Bradley Cooper is Batman in... The Caped Crusader
Featuring Danny Glover as Lucius Fox
Timothy Dalton as Alfred
Andrew Garfield as The Joker
and Justin Bieber as Robin
Keaton's Batman was crap at fighting! All the action scenes in those 2 movies sucked balls.
I've never thought of you as an idiot before now. He used martial arts. He fought fluidly. He didn't act like an idiot dressed in a costume. Bale SUCKED.
At least Bale could fucking fight good (with the exception of DKR). And West’s Batman was just stupid POW! BIFF! CRUNCH! sequences that were never any real looking. Keaton is not Batman, and neither are any of those other guys.
At least Bale could fucking fight good (with the exception of DKR). And West’s Batman was just stupid POW! BIFF! CRUNCH! sequences that were never any real looking. Keaton is not Batman, and neither are any of those other guys.
Kevin Conroy is Batman.
Bale couldn't fight good. At all. He looked like a kid flailing around, not a trained martial artist. Not one single fight scene in all three of those movies was filmed right. Not to mention that his suit looked like ass. Keaton deflected attacks, used his opponent's momentum against them, and just plain sounded intimidating, as well as having a classy bat-suit.
But I will agree on that final point. Conroy Batman is THE Batman. It's a goddamn crying shame that the Batman I always wanted to see on the big screen hasn't been and I could only see him in a cartoon or a video game.
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The ending song from Mask of the Phantasm:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJxbQVnVe8
I'd watch that sh*t. Be better than Beware the Batman, that's for sure.
Seriously, though. They already addressed this. For the sake of gameplay, there will be toys from Arkham City plus new ones. They acknowledge how he should have less and simpler utilities than Arkham Asylum, but after Arkham City, it would make for a more disappointing game. One of those things that probably should have been left unsaid because of the die hard fanbase, but they're right. Let's face it, the 50+% of the people that will by the game solely on the back of 'City rather than following canon, would consider it a failure as well as most reviewers if they downgraded Batman.
We are just going to have to deal with it.
So, obviously, we need to get a DeLorean and go back to 1939 so that I can be Batman on a grad student salary.
Also, Marsden, the $10 suit is replaced with the Kevlar body armor, for the purposes of this comparison.
It's Batman. It's in the shape of a freaking bat. Yes, it's custom made.
And the plot'll be 'inspired' by The Dark Knight Returns.
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How to really jump the shark on your Cinematic Universe! Your rebooted Superman character has just been introduced into his world. He is literally the first superhero and in his first go-round has dealt with an army of Kryptonians bent on destroying our world and rebuilding Krypton on top of it! Sections of both Smallville and Metropolis are left in ruins! And this hero, in spite of having no official legal status, has acted unilaterally as judge, jury, and executioner by breaking the neck of General Zod! How do you follow up on this?
A. A deep, thoughtful story with Superman reflecting on what he did with bouts against unknown robotic invaders later discovered to be Brainiac probes.
B. Superman must come to terms with the fact that he could potentially abuse his own powers while fighting against a mutant named Parasite that can drain him of his powers AND memories.
C. Superman becomes the target of a smear campaign by Metropolis's biggest businessman, Lex Luthor, who points out that Superman has killed before and since no weapon on Earth can harm him, there is nothing to prevent him from doing it again. Superman must come to terms with the responsibilities placed on him while fending off unknown assailants who utilize stolen Kryptonian weaponry before facing off with Lex Luthor himself in a powered armor suit.
D. None of the above.
If you answered A, B, or C, then you're completely missing the point of Shark Jumping 101! It's quite obviously D! What you do is you throw Batman into the mix and make Superman and Batman fight! It's brilliant because very few of the fanbase will take the time to look at it logically and realize that it's at least one movie too soon to bring the Dark Knight into the picture. They won't realize that the new Man of Steel needs time to fit into his world comfortably before starting to bring in other DC heroes. They won't realize that the addition of Batman will take attention away from Superman! They'll just get sucked into the hype! Brilliant! Genius! That's what they'll call you as you...JUMP THE SHARK! Congratulations!
Also, I wonder how they’ll handle the Batman reboot, seeing as how they’re having him appear before that movie will even be released. As for the three sequel ideas you have, which are great, there’s always a way to incorporate one of those into the second movie, which probably won’t be called Man of Steel 2, but World’s Finest.
I mean, you have seen the animated Batman/Superman Movie, right?
So enormous plot holes and a villian no one can understand?
No, they don't need to introduce Batman for the JL movie. The JL movie isn't coming out til 2017 or so the rumors say. Plenty of time for a standalone Man of Steel sequel and THEN The World's Finest.
Also The Dark Knight Returns =/= The Dark Knight Rises.
I still think the villain in Justice League should be Darkseid.
No cos Dark Knight movies are still fresh in our heads and most people wont pay to see another origin movie.
Only one of my friends is excited by the announcement. Everyone else feels as though it is either too early or it shouldn't be done at all. The folks who have read the comics and novels should be even more concerned as(and I really don't think I'm out of place on this one) EVERY major crossover between Superman and Batman in the canon felt forced and out of place(especially TDKR which they cited as inspiration).
I really don't think this is a good idea for either franchise. Not in the live action universe. I was not a huge fan of The Avengers and I felt that movie barely held it together combining heroes. All the depth and substance laid for each hero as a person was tossed out the window. Now bring in Superman and Batman. The two biggest names...ever. Face it, nobody else even comes close in popularity. Marvel may own the title for complete roster, but DC definitely has 1 & 2.
This is an immense disaster waiting to happen. I'm not kidding here. If this movie doesn't blow Avengers completely out of the water, which isn't likely as a lot of people hailed that film as a masterpiece, the film will just defecate all over both franchises. A bad animated film is much easier to ignore than live action.
In this episode, the motive behind the crime is environmentalism. What a load of shit! Still, the action sequences were very Batman-y and was able to have a sense of violence that TB&TB didn’t have.
Rating: 5/10
I hated Zack Snyder’s stuff up until Man of Steel. I have faith. As long as this new Batman is nothing like Val Kilmer, Adam West, George Clooney or Michael Keaton, then I’m okay with it.
They straight up said this is the Man of Steel sequel, just with Batman. And no, I haven't seen the animated movie. I still think this is jumping the shark. Which is strange to me because I'd usually be so hyped for this no one could stand to be around me. It just really feels too soon to me.
Another thing, I really don’t think that the Batman reboot should try to be a bullshit rip-off of the Nolanverse. Here’s a list.
Damien Lewis as The Riddler
Javier Bardem as Ra’s Al Ghul
Ron Perlman as Clayface
Andy Serkis as Mad Hatter
Ben Foster or Crispin Glover as The Joker
Eva Green as Poison Ivy
Michael Keaton?! WTF?! He is the BEST live action Batman! What we don't want is another fucking Christian Bale. That's what worries me the most. Sure, Snyder is the director, but Nolan is still involved and frankly, Nolan doesn't understand what makes Batman REALLY work. He's not a glorified street thug with borrowed technology and smarter minds around him. Batman is a genius-level martial artist who builds his own toys and who is first and foremost a DETECTIVE. Snyder shows me that he understands the Batman, then I'll be on board. Show me the actor, show me the suit, and show me how he fights.
Bradley Cooper is Batman in... The Caped Crusader
Featuring Danny Glover as Lucius Fox
Timothy Dalton as Alfred
Andrew Garfield as The Joker
and Justin Bieber as Robin
That would be the ultimate shit-fest.
I've never thought of you as an idiot before now. He used martial arts. He fought fluidly. He didn't act like an idiot dressed in a costume. Bale SUCKED.
He was a murderer in the second movie. Also, original Batman had a guy strung up from the Bat-plane and let him die. So yeah. So fucking what?
Kevin Conroy is Batman.
Bale couldn't fight good. At all. He looked like a kid flailing around, not a trained martial artist. Not one single fight scene in all three of those movies was filmed right. Not to mention that his suit looked like ass. Keaton deflected attacks, used his opponent's momentum against them, and just plain sounded intimidating, as well as having a classy bat-suit.
But I will agree on that final point. Conroy Batman is THE Batman. It's a goddamn crying shame that the Batman I always wanted to see on the big screen hasn't been and I could only see him in a cartoon or a video game.