I'd feel bringing Zombie Kenny, or a Zombie Duck if you didn't kill him, would be twisting a knife. You know how bad I'd feel if zombie Lee came back in season 2? Although I'd be mad excited and say "I told you he wasn't dead! He's UNdead suckers!"
I'm still terrified that Telltale is only going to bring Kenny back in season 2 as a zombie, and then put you into a situation where you'd be forced to kill him, just for the hell of it.
IMO, that would go way beyond "surprising" the player. That would be sadism, plain and simple; a cruel moment added merely to twist the knife.
I like this idea, it is a cynical, in the style of TWD.
IMO, it is the way people play that forms your opinion on him. I had watched a play through before I played the game and they never sided with Kenny, which made me dislike his attitude towards Lee. But upon playing it myself, I found that he's pretty fuckin cool. I do dislike how Telltale created his character because he CONSTANTLY brought up how "I'm never on his side" Because I disagreed with something he said. It is sad he was never a neutral character. It's either he's gonna fuck yo day up, or let's have bro love babies. I wish there had been a neutral option for him.
IMO, it is the way people play that forms your opinion on him. I had watched a play through before I played the game and they never sided with Kenny, which made me dislike his attitude towards Lee. But upon playing it myself, I found that he's pretty fuckin cool. I do dislike how Telltale created his character because he CONSTANTLY brought up how "I'm never on his side" Because I disagreed with something he said. It is sad he was never a neutral character. It's either he's gonna fuck yo day up, or let's have bro love babies. I wish there had been a neutral option for him.
I agree that it would have been nice, but it's sort of realistic. There are actually people out there with a "you get on my bad side, you're staying there" mentality. I know this is true as i have had a neighbor who treats me like this. We were friends at one point but one small argument and we became enemies. 7 years later after i have long since left the neighborhood and they still hate my guts.
Maybe it's not common, but having Kenny never forgive you if you wrong him isn't completely unrealistic.
I like this idea, it is a cynical, in the style of TWD.
There's a fine line between cynicism and an unapologetic spit to the face. I know the comic book and TV show each have their own fanbase, but the tone of both has just gotten too nasty for me to take. The video game knew when to give the player a chance to breathe, and when to get dark. I'm just hoping Telltale maintains that balance for season 2.
I agree, TWD should not be dark and twisted just to mess with the person. There are times to make everything bleak and times to allow some light to the tunnel(ALWAYS block the exit xD ). The show definitely just went too far on that scale to me. Felt like some of the events were unnecessary or easily avoidable, but no one said Rick was the ideal leader.
I agree that it would have been nice, but it's sort of realistic. There are actually people out there with a "you get on my bad side, you're staying there" mentality. I know this is true as i have had a neighbor who treats me like this. We were friends at one point but one small argument and we became enemies. 7 years later after i have long since left the neighborhood and they still hate my guts.
Maybe it's not common, but having Kenny never forgive you if you wrong him isn't completely unrealistic.
Of course there are people like that but I have a hard time believing they would refuse to help save a 9 year old girl because you didn't drop a salt lick on someones head. I think that's really why I wish he also had a neutral path. I mean just because you hate someone doesn't mean you should let some irrelevant young girl die.
Of course there are people like that but I have a hard time believing they would refuse to help save a 9 year old girl because you didn't drop a salt lick on someones head. I think that's really why I wish he also had a neutral path. I mean just because you hate someone doesn't mean you should let some irrelevant young girl die.
I see, but i think Kenny sees it as this: Not killing Larry is willingly putting Kenny's family in danger. If Lee wouldn't bother helping Kenny's family when their lives are at risk, why should he bother helping Lee's family(Clem)?
Maybe it is kind of weird, and i do agree that some sort of neutral path should have been there. Or at least some differing levels of relations:
-Nemesis
-Strongly Dislike
-Dislike
-Neutral
-Like
-Strongly like
-Best friend
I wished there was an option for "I respect Kenny". Seeing his own family die must be pretty horrifying to him, devastating even more so. That he was trying to protect his family as much as he could, even if it meant to do horrible things such as killing Larry without knowing if Larry might come back as a walker or might be revived. I understood why he was so angry at Ben for his confession, even though it wasn't completely his own fault that caused Katja's and Duck's death. And saying I'd be neutral about this is like saying "...Meh." which is not the case here. I was just glad he continued fighting for the group after all that until he was lost to the herd.
I see, but i think Kenny sees it as this: Not killing Larry is willingly putting Kenny's family in danger. If Lee wouldn't bother helping Kenny's family when their lives are at risk, why should he bother helping Lee's family(Clem)?
Maybe it is kind of weird, and i do agree that some sort of neutral path was there. Or at least some differing levels of relations:
-Nemesis
-Strongly Dislike
-Dislike
-Neutral
-Like
-Strongly like
-Best friend
Something like that.
Yeah, or even just a sort of middle ground like, "Hey, I don't really like you but I tolerate and/or respect you" Instead it's just like "Hey remember when you didn't let that kid fall to his death? Yeah I'm pissed at you for your good moral."
I agree, TWD should not be dark and twisted just to mess with the person. There are times to make everything bleak and times to allow some light to the tunnel(ALWAYS block the exit xD ). The show definitely just went too far on that scale to me. Felt like some of the events were unnecessary or easily avoidable, but no one said Rick was the ideal leader.
There wasn't enough hope. Not enough good moments. Season 1 and 2 wasn't too bad, but season 3 was just "wow". Group members were getting picked off left and right, and not even in a great way. Lori's was avoidable, same as T-Dog's, Axel's, Oscar's, and Andrea's. Milton's too, really. Because of a bad leader, many people died that didn't have to die. Even now, the Governor is still loose when Rick and the others had MANY chances to kill him. They have a baby to take care of that I don't even know if Rick wants around, since ya know, it reminds him of his cheating wife and her death, his best friend and his death, their affair, and just mass chaos. Carl going a little crazy, etc.
I'm not complaining about it really; in ways, that is how it would probably happen. Hope is for fairytales. However, I'd like to have some tender, non-harsh moments where I didn't feel like everything was simply fucked. That, and I guess I just prefer the comics, so I bash on the series more than I should.
I'd like him better if he didn't act like a baby just because you didn't agree with him. Just because I helped Lilly, he turned his back on me. I acted civil, never starting a fight or yelling at him, hoping we could make up. Even after looking out for his family, Kenny says I only look out for myself in Ep. 5.
I liked Kenny at first, but I'm not going to change my personal beliefs just to have this "bro" talk. If you look closely in Ep. 2 after you do some compressions, you'll see Larry taking a breath.
I'm neutral about Kenny. I had sided with him most of the time in my play-through, and I really liked him until episode 4. (Sticking with his boat plan, not caring about the group as a whole, wanting to drop Ben) I know he lost his family, and something like that could put you in a bad place, but that's no reason to act so inconsiderate to others.
I'd like him better if he didn't act like a baby just because you didn't agree with him. Just because I helped Lilly, he turned his back on me. I acted civil, never starting a fight or yelling at him, hoping we could make up. Even after looking out for his family, Kenny says I only look out for myself in Ep. 5.
I liked Kenny at first, but I'm not going to change my personal beliefs just to have this "bro" talk. If you look closely in Ep. 2 after you do some compressions, you'll see Larry taking a breath.
Eff Kenny. Since season one he felt like a boat anchor that I had to drag behind me. Add to that the fact that he is a bigot, trigger happy and dimwitted...throughout season 2 I kept hoping for a choice to choose between him and ANYONE ELSE. lol
IMO, in an apocalypse, rebuilding a community is rather important for the survival of our species. Kenny managed to botch that very idea at every turn.
I don't hate Kenny but I do dislike his personality and his general lack of respect for other people. I wouldn't want to kill him or abandon him unless there was no other choice (or if the majority of the group was leaving, because needs of the many and all that). Honestly, he's the only character who's ever gotten on my nerves (and that's probably partially due to the fact he hates or has disagreements with the characters I end up loving (Ben, Nick, Arvo)). He's an interesting character but he just sucks when it comes to other people, I always try to look for the good side of so,some, while Kenny would look at how useful or what this person has done for him/to him.
I think it's just because our personalities don't mix.
Bros since I saved Duck on Hershel's farm. Guy has saved my ass many of times, and was always there when it was most needed. He's definitely my favorite non-playable character in the series,
Well not that I'm obligated to explain why, but I like Kenny, as he tries to do the right thing.
He proved that to me back in season 1.
He saved Lee's life back at the drugstore, after Larry knocked Lee flat with one solid punch.
And he helped carry Ben's gut-shot classmate back to the motor-inn, and then protested when Larry said they should've left Ben and his buddy behind.
When Clementine went missing, Kenny jumped at the chance to help look for her.
And when Ben fell to his death in the alleyway, Kenny went down and tried to help him, in-spite of the fact that Ben inadvertently got Kenny's family killed.
And when Kenny was unable to help Ben, he pushed Lee back behind the iron gateway to protect him, and kept Ben from being eaten alive by walkers, by euthanizing him.
And in Season 2, even though Kenny went through hell, in that he got beaten nearly to death, and then later lost Sarita, he still looked after Clementine, and then later Alvin as well.
I love Kenny! He's caring and strong and does whatever he needs to to keep clementine safe. And have you seen his godlike 'stache and beard?! Yes some of his decisions are harsh but that's what you need to do to survive! If you don't like kenny because of his decisions then I'm sorry but you might as well leave as all the characters will be like him in a few seasons like in the tv show. Kenny is just like Shane from the tv show and learnt what he needs to do to survive in this world before anyone else did. Like with Arvo, he couldn't let Arvo leave to come back with a bigger group and kill them! And on the way to Howe's, everyone else just accepted their fate, carver couldve killed them all but kenny tried to escape to keep them all safe! Also he takes great care of Clem and Alvin Jr as if they were his own children! And he's lost all of his family and is living in a world were the dead come back to life and try to eat them, he isn't going to be completely sane and no one will be in that world!
Before Season 2, I had a better opinion of Kenny and had a grudging respect for him even if I didn't always agree with his methods. He had one of the best character development of the entire series, and he played the 'nice guy eventually darkens to an anti-hero' story arc well.
But as of Season 2 my opinion of Kenny has lowered a lot to the point where it had soured my respect for him back in Season 1, mainly due to how much Telltale shills him to the point of glorifying his actions regardless of how he behaves towards everyone, and having his presence (along with Jane) costing the entire development of the Cabin Group singlehandedly, who was supposed to have their own story told in their own season.
Kenny's return offers nothing new to the story other than a retelling of losing another partner through Sarita's death, being perceived as a replacement to Lee in spite of the lack of relationship and regardless of what happens between Lee and him in Season 1, and having his increasingly hostile behaviour and actions justified and sympathised in the most contrived ways, especially since Clementine is the playable character and is expected to take his abuse in spite of being a pre-teen.
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I like this idea, it is a cynical, in the style of TWD.
I agree that it would have been nice, but it's sort of realistic. There are actually people out there with a "you get on my bad side, you're staying there" mentality. I know this is true as i have had a neighbor who treats me like this. We were friends at one point but one small argument and we became enemies. 7 years later after i have long since left the neighborhood and they still hate my guts.
Maybe it's not common, but having Kenny never forgive you if you wrong him isn't completely unrealistic.
There's a fine line between cynicism and an unapologetic spit to the face. I know the comic book and TV show each have their own fanbase, but the tone of both has just gotten too nasty for me to take. The video game knew when to give the player a chance to breathe, and when to get dark. I'm just hoping Telltale maintains that balance for season 2.
Of course there are people like that but I have a hard time believing they would refuse to help save a 9 year old girl because you didn't drop a salt lick on someones head. I think that's really why I wish he also had a neutral path. I mean just because you hate someone doesn't mean you should let some irrelevant young girl die.
I see, but i think Kenny sees it as this: Not killing Larry is willingly putting Kenny's family in danger. If Lee wouldn't bother helping Kenny's family when their lives are at risk, why should he bother helping Lee's family(Clem)?
Maybe it is kind of weird, and i do agree that some sort of neutral path should have been there. Or at least some differing levels of relations:
-Nemesis
-Strongly Dislike
-Dislike
-Neutral
-Like
-Strongly like
-Best friend
Something like that.
Yeah, or even just a sort of middle ground like, "Hey, I don't really like you but I tolerate and/or respect you" Instead it's just like "Hey remember when you didn't let that kid fall to his death? Yeah I'm pissed at you for your good moral."
What "scale" do you mean?
There wasn't enough hope. Not enough good moments. Season 1 and 2 wasn't too bad, but season 3 was just "wow". Group members were getting picked off left and right, and not even in a great way. Lori's was avoidable, same as T-Dog's, Axel's, Oscar's, and Andrea's. Milton's too, really. Because of a bad leader, many people died that didn't have to die. Even now, the Governor is still loose when Rick and the others had MANY chances to kill him. They have a baby to take care of that I don't even know if Rick wants around, since ya know, it reminds him of his cheating wife and her death, his best friend and his death, their affair, and just mass chaos. Carl going a little crazy, etc.
I'm not complaining about it really; in ways, that is how it would probably happen. Hope is for fairytales. However, I'd like to have some tender, non-harsh moments where I didn't feel like everything was simply fucked. That, and I guess I just prefer the comics, so I bash on the series more than I should.
I liked Kenny at first, but I'm not going to change my personal beliefs just to have this "bro" talk. If you look closely in Ep. 2 after you do some compressions, you'll see Larry taking a breath.
Eff Kenny. Since season one he felt like a boat anchor that I had to drag behind me. Add to that the fact that he is a bigot, trigger happy and dimwitted...throughout season 2 I kept hoping for a choice to choose between him and ANYONE ELSE. lol
IMO, in an apocalypse, rebuilding a community is rather important for the survival of our species. Kenny managed to botch that very idea at every turn.
Again with the bumping of old threads. But I love Kenny, he's my favorite non PC.
He was shit in June 2013, and he's still shit in 2015. Shit and dead now.
Whats with all these old fucking threads today
I don't hate Kenny but I do dislike his personality and his general lack of respect for other people. I wouldn't want to kill him or abandon him unless there was no other choice (or if the majority of the group was leaving, because needs of the many and all that). Honestly, he's the only character who's ever gotten on my nerves (and that's probably partially due to the fact he hates or has disagreements with the characters I end up loving (Ben, Nick, Arvo)). He's an interesting character but he just sucks when it comes to other people, I always try to look for the good side of so,some, while Kenny would look at how useful or what this person has done for him/to him.
I think it's just because our personalities don't mix.
Though i like Kenny, i think i'm in a neutral position, i don't either love or hate him, just like him.
Why the hell are so many threads getting necro'd.
I love the guy. Sure, he has his flaws (don't we all?). He is a complex character who is very well written.
Bros since I saved Duck on Hershel's farm. Guy has saved my ass many of times, and was always there when it was most needed. He's definitely my favorite non-playable character in the series,
Well not that I'm obligated to explain why, but I like Kenny, as he tries to do the right thing.
He proved that to me back in season 1.
He saved Lee's life back at the drugstore, after Larry knocked Lee flat with one solid punch.
And he helped carry Ben's gut-shot classmate back to the motor-inn, and then protested when Larry said they should've left Ben and his buddy behind.
When Clementine went missing, Kenny jumped at the chance to help look for her.
And when Ben fell to his death in the alleyway, Kenny went down and tried to help him, in-spite of the fact that Ben inadvertently got Kenny's family killed.
And when Kenny was unable to help Ben, he pushed Lee back behind the iron gateway to protect him, and kept Ben from being eaten alive by walkers, by euthanizing him.
And in Season 2, even though Kenny went through hell, in that he got beaten nearly to death, and then later lost Sarita, he still looked after Clementine, and then later Alvin as well.
Hate him with a passion.
S1 Kenny I didn't really care for, but s2 Kenny I liked - his selfishness was geared towards protecting clementine and himself
Not a fan of him.
I love Kenny! He's caring and strong and does whatever he needs to to keep clementine safe. And have you seen his godlike 'stache and beard?! Yes some of his decisions are harsh but that's what you need to do to survive! If you don't like kenny because of his decisions then I'm sorry but you might as well leave as all the characters will be like him in a few seasons like in the tv show. Kenny is just like Shane from the tv show and learnt what he needs to do to survive in this world before anyone else did. Like with Arvo, he couldn't let Arvo leave to come back with a bigger group and kill them! And on the way to Howe's, everyone else just accepted their fate, carver couldve killed them all but kenny tried to escape to keep them all safe! Also he takes great care of Clem and Alvin Jr as if they were his own children! And he's lost all of his family and is living in a world were the dead come back to life and try to eat them, he isn't going to be completely sane and no one will be in that world!
Love: S1 Kenny
Hate: S2 Kenny
Before Season 2, I had a better opinion of Kenny and had a grudging respect for him even if I didn't always agree with his methods. He had one of the best character development of the entire series, and he played the 'nice guy eventually darkens to an anti-hero' story arc well.
But as of Season 2 my opinion of Kenny has lowered a lot to the point where it had soured my respect for him back in Season 1, mainly due to how much Telltale shills him to the point of glorifying his actions regardless of how he behaves towards everyone, and having his presence (along with Jane) costing the entire development of the Cabin Group singlehandedly, who was supposed to have their own story told in their own season.
Kenny's return offers nothing new to the story other than a retelling of losing another partner through Sarita's death, being perceived as a replacement to Lee in spite of the lack of relationship and regardless of what happens between Lee and him in Season 1, and having his increasingly hostile behaviour and actions justified and sympathised in the most contrived ways, especially since Clementine is the playable character and is expected to take his abuse in spite of being a pre-teen.
Like. I wouldn't say I love him but I definetely don't hate him.
I remember this thread! This was one of the first threads I particapted in when I first joined the community.
Memories.