Well that determinant and even if you are friends, he is really bad one.
He's the only character who really cared about Clem the entire season. If someone took a crazy beating for you and you don't consider him a friend then you have problems.
If someone puts me in danger and saves me from it, i consider him to not be complete prick.
I also doubt that Carver would have given same treatment to Clem as he did to Kenny. Kenny shot one of his guys, tried to escape from the truck and determinantly shot Carver. He had every reason to beat the shit out of Kenny, but Clementine he respected as a person.
Well that determinant and even if you are friends, he is really bad one.
He's the only character who really cared about Clem the ent… moreire season. If someone took a crazy beating for you and you don't consider him a friend then you have problems.
And who is this friend then ? Because one scene with jane doesn't make them BFF's(maybe in janes eyes , she even wants to kill Kenny to claim Clem)
But lets not go with your kenny booooh jane jeeeeeh BS the whole time thats your thing not mine
personally i've finished the game and didn't even think about choosing sides, but the Kenny Clem AJ ending was the ending that gave me the most satisfied feeling off al the endings so i'vbe sticked to that one and i've also seen the other endings in my game
However it shows Clementine is mentally strong enough to retain her humanity and continue to survive the apocalyptic world in order to forget the hardships of the past.
Letting someone murder your friend doesnt sound very humane.
Letting sarah get smacked hard for talking and killing the one armed man showed me that he will do that he also hits clem before you get in te truck if you stare at him
If someone puts me in danger and saves me from it, i consider him to not be complete prick.
I also doubt that Carver would have given sam… moree treatment to Clem as he did to Kenny. Kenny shot one of his guys, tried to escape from the truck and determinantly shot Carver. He had every reason to beat the shit out of Kenny, but Clementine he respected as a person.
I agree with your decision. The moment I saw that family, I just thought, "NO, I'm not going to deal with anymore bullshit from some dumbass people!" >:( I feel glad that I turned them away actually.
Got this ending when I re-played the season and instantly turned them away because they were all acting weird (probably due to the fathers behavior) and if they come back we'll handle them. >:D
I personally ended with Jane and turned the family away...I feel like I picked the survivalist path but in no way do I think that´s bad. It´s a way of my duo seeing things and of taking care of themselves. That´s how I saw it at least.
Got this ending when I re-played the season and instantly turned them away because they were all acting weird (probably due to the fathers behavior) and if they come back we'll handle them. >:D
Clementine in Howe's not knowing if there are any survivors and letting random strangers with weapons in while they have little resources.
Clementine in Howe's being threatened by a family and still not knowing if there are any survivors.
Clementine alone and walking into a herd of Walkers not fully knowing how to take care of another on her own and not knowing where to go.
Clementine in Wellington, a Community which they have only heard stories about, a Community who aren't accepting others and are low on supplies but are giving them away anyway.
Clementine in the snow, where she and her allies can easily die from the harsh weather, not knowing where to go.
Because the tone of the Jane endings isn't hopeful. It's paranoid. If you turn them away, you get a "We'll be back" warning. If you let them… more in, the direction focuses on their weapons and the tension in the air. Sure, Clem could make a community, but that's not the implication at all. The implication is cyclical, never ending paranoia.
I really feel like Jane's monologue before she left foreshadowed Jane VS Kenny.
"Remember that in the end you can make it on your own" Foreshadowing the Clementine alone with AJ ending.
"You don't owe them anything, they'll make you feel like you do, like it's all one big happy family" Foreshadowing how Kenny and Jane do allot of things to make Clementine feel like she owes them when she helps them out more than they do her and foreshadows the endings with Jane or Kenny, how they try to make Clementine feel like they're a family with AJ.
"It's not an option for everyone" I think this line foreshadows that if you don't accept Kenny's or Jane's apology that they would end up dying.
I think she's more independent, and she can be her own person. Jane and Kenny are too immoral for my Clem to stay with. I'm done with their lies and irrational behavior. That doesn't mean i want Clem to become a survivalist type person though.
In no way is Clementine Carver.... Clementine is Clementine... there are different scenarios with what Clementine and Carver does, all there is are similarities, nothing more, not the same concept and not the same story, different perspectives and intentions.
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Letting sarah get smacked hard for talking and killing the one armed man showed me that he will do that he also hits clem before you get in te truck if you stare at him
One scene? You must have missed most of the episodes 4 and 5.
ps. and she wants Clem safe away from Kenny, even if that means killing him. Talking sense to Clementine clearly didnt work, because the writers decided that Clementine is a retard suddenly.
You say you dont want to start another kenny vs jane debate, yet you did anyway.
And who is this friend then ? Because one scene with jane doesn't make them BFF's(maybe in janes eyes , she even wants to kill Kenny to clai… morem Clem)
But lets not go with your kenny booooh jane jeeeeeh BS the whole time thats your thing not mine
personally i've finished the game and didn't even think about choosing sides, but the Kenny Clem AJ ending was the ending that gave me the most satisfied feeling off al the endings so i'vbe sticked to that one and i've also seen the other endings in my game
I was thinking that if i let them in, they will try to kill us at night and Jane dies. If i dont let them in, they come at night and gets Jane killed. Just thinking about season 3 gets me pissed off, because telltale and their lazy writers killing determinant characters, instead of making a great story.
Yeah, I very much doubt they´re trustworthy when the guy threatens us, keeps reaching for a gun and keeps talking about how he is a "father" (why so much emphasis on the kid?). I don´t expect Jane to survive more than 10 minutes into Season 3 but I´m still going to do all I can to avoid it and letting them in seemed like the more dangerous option to me.
I was thinking that if i let them in, they will try to kill us at night and Jane dies. If i dont let them in, they come at night and gets Ja… morene killed. Just thinking about season 3 gets me pissed off, because telltale and their lazy writers killing determinant characters, instead of making a great story.
Yeah, I very much doubt they´re trustworthy when the guy threatens us, keeps reaching for a gun and keeps talking about how he is a "father"… more (why so much emphasis on the kid?). I don´t expect Jane to survive more than 10 minutes into Season 3 but I´m still going to do all I can to avoid it and letting them in seemed like the more dangerous option to me.
I really don´t expect anything else if I´m being honest. Them being determinant is a death sentence. They´re gonna want to tie the endings into one storyline and for that they´re gonna want to get rid of them.
I really don´t expect anything else if I´m being honest. Them being determinant is a death sentence. They´re gonna want to tie the endings into one storyline and for that they´re gonna want to get rid of them.
I like this post. Good interpretations in many ways and I'm not a big fan of the endings to season 2 (any of them) but I like how you've thought about them.
With the Howe's ending there is a sense of danger to both versions, regardless of whether you let the family in or not. Carver let people in too and built a community but that didn't make it a healthy one. The overwhelming feeling is a lack of trust either way. It's partly why this ending felt unresolved or incomplete to me - because it's just the same stuff beginning again.
Now we know nothing about Wellington and it could turn out to be a hellhole in season 3 but the way the ending was presented, it felt like we were never even to wonder. Because contrasting with the Howe's ending, we are presented with a completely trusting scenario. Whether you choose to walk in or walk away, the characters seem to take it on faith that this is a great place to be. No hint of skepticism from either. It felt like a more definitive ending. But one that is a little more of a flight of fancy, especially after what happened 9 days previously.
The ending I got was the alone one. I find that harder to reconcile. I did not in any way get the feeling that Clem was any more equipped to survive from where she was at the start of season 2, especially as she was pulling the same guts stunt at the end of season 1. Perhaps there is something in her now being the grown-up and AJ being the child but I didn't feel that came through. She wasn't the new Lee. My feeling with that ending was "oh, she's buggered now. Hang on, is that it?".
That's a really cool interpretation of the Howe's ending, although I disagree with the idea that it's meant to show that Carver was right ab… moreout Clementine because of the fact that the whole point of Kenny's story in episode 5 was that he was becoming more and more like Carver. That fact alone significantly blurs the lines. You could easily argue that stopping him is essentially the same as saying "No" to Carver's ideals of killing in cold blood those you deem are detrimental to your survival. Clementine does not kill Kenny in cold blood or for reasons of personal survival if she shoots him while he's attacking Jane, she does it to save Jane's life. That's very different from Carver's beliefs.
Plus, there's the whole point that the choice to let the family in is one of compassion, as opposed to fear and subjugation. It's the equally valid hope of building something good on top of something evil. That's not to say your idea is without merit,… [view original content]
However it shows Clementine is mentally strong enough to retain her humanity and continue to survive the apocalyptic world in order to forget the hardships of the past.
Letting someone murder your friend doesnt sound very humane.
One scene? You must have missed most of the episodes 4 and 5.
ps. and she wants Clem safe away from Kenny, even if that means killing him… more. Talking sense to Clementine clearly didnt work, because the writers decided that Clementine is a retard suddenly.
You say you dont want to start another kenny vs jane debate, yet you did anyway.
Guys may I remind you, I did say that these are simply my interpretations and opinions and I am not saying that these interpretations I have… more presented about the endings are the actual meanings of the endings, or what Telltale were trying to achieve. All I'm seeing are lists of comments telling me that I'm biased, or how my opinion is wrong - When really all I'm asking for are perhaps your opinions or interpretations.
One scene? You must have missed most of the episodes 4 and 5.
ps. and she wants Clem safe away from Kenny, even if that means killing him… more. Talking sense to Clementine clearly didnt work, because the writers decided that Clementine is a retard suddenly.
You say you dont want to start another kenny vs jane debate, yet you did anyway.
That's true, Jane's philosophy is very similar to Carver's, although Kenny basically followed that line of logic when he kept trying to argue for killing Arvo when he was no longer a threat. Some would say Kenny is justified in that because of what Arvo did, and I would reply that if that's true, then so too is Carver for deciding to murder Walter because of Kenny's actions. In both cases, it's about murdering someone whose friends have caused trouble for the killer in question. It's less about Kenny following Carver's philosophy, and more about him becoming as brutal as Carver.
That's true, Jane's philosophy is very similar to Carver's, although Kenny basically followed that line of logic when he kept trying to argu… moree for killing Arvo when he was no longer a threat. Some would say Kenny is justified in that because of what Arvo did, and I would reply that if that's true, then so too is Carver for deciding to murder Walter because of Kenny's actions. In both cases, it's about murdering someone whose friends have caused trouble for the killer in question. It's less about Kenny following Carver's philosophy, and more about him becoming as brutal as Carver.
You know that i will start a debate if anyone gives a reason for it, so why did you do it?
she wants Kenny out because they are closer
She wants Kenny away from Clementine, because Kenny is becoming too dangerous to be around.
And now you try to make your point by saying Clem is retarded??
Even if Clementine never sides up with Kenny or agree with his plans, when Jane proposes that they leave Kenny behind so they could save their own lives, Clementine disagrees. How is that not retarded? A suicidal and violent man is driving them on suicide mission and she doesnt want to leave him behind...
You go up against most of the people who had different outcomes than you did and keep on saying their decisions were the wrong ones
If someone says "i like this ending more", i dont really care. If they say "its safer to be with Kenny" or its "morale thing to let Kenny murder someone", of course im going to state how they are wrong.
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He's the only character who really cared about Clem the entire season. If someone took a crazy beating for you and you don't consider him a friend then you have problems.
If someone puts me in danger and saves me from it, i consider him to not be complete prick.
I also doubt that Carver would have given same treatment to Clem as he did to Kenny. Kenny shot one of his guys, tried to escape from the truck and determinantly shot Carver. He had every reason to beat the shit out of Kenny, but Clementine he respected as a person.
And who is this friend then ? Because one scene with jane doesn't make them BFF's(maybe in janes eyes , she even wants to kill Kenny to claim Clem)
But lets not go with your kenny booooh jane jeeeeeh BS the whole time thats your thing not mine
personally i've finished the game and didn't even think about choosing sides, but the Kenny Clem AJ ending was the ending that gave me the most satisfied feeling off al the endings so i'vbe sticked to that one and i've also seen the other endings in my game
Letting sarah get smacked hard for talking and killing the one armed man showed me that he will do that he also hits clem before you get in te truck if you stare at him
I thought they were using the kid to get in.
I am too, they smell like nothing but trouble. The way he seemed to reach for his gun was fishy.
Got this ending when I re-played the season and instantly turned them away because they were all acting weird (probably due to the fathers behavior) and if they come back we'll handle them. >:D
Pretty much!
As a bonus, Clem goes full badass.
Yup! Totally worth the last re-run of the season
now I gotta do the wolf among us for the fourth time XD
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None of the endings are really that good:
Clementine in Howe's not knowing if there are any survivors and letting random strangers with weapons in while they have little resources.
Clementine in Howe's being threatened by a family and still not knowing if there are any survivors.
Clementine alone and walking into a herd of Walkers not fully knowing how to take care of another on her own and not knowing where to go.
Clementine in Wellington, a Community which they have only heard stories about, a Community who aren't accepting others and are low on supplies but are giving them away anyway.
Clementine in the snow, where she and her allies can easily die from the harsh weather, not knowing where to go.
Anyone can be a rapist, a murderer and or a psychopath.
I really feel like Jane's monologue before she left foreshadowed Jane VS Kenny.
"Remember that in the end you can make it on your own" Foreshadowing the Clementine alone with AJ ending.
"You don't owe them anything, they'll make you feel like you do, like it's all one big happy family" Foreshadowing how Kenny and Jane do allot of things to make Clementine feel like she owes them when she helps them out more than they do her and foreshadows the endings with Jane or Kenny, how they try to make Clementine feel like they're a family with AJ.
"It's not an option for everyone" I think this line foreshadows that if you don't accept Kenny's or Jane's apology that they would end up dying.
In no way is Clementine Carver.... Clementine is Clementine... there are different scenarios with what Clementine and Carver does, all there is are similarities, nothing more, not the same concept and not the same story, different perspectives and intentions.
So that's why he accidently fell in the lake! I knew it!
Man, that's some cold humour right there!
Luke and I were always ice cold when it comes to humor
Carver doesnt like when people are disrespectful, clearly. After that talk in his office, im pretty certain he wouldnt have treated Clem that badly.
Sheriff Bigby coming through!
One scene? You must have missed most of the episodes 4 and 5.
ps. and she wants Clem safe away from Kenny, even if that means killing him. Talking sense to Clementine clearly didnt work, because the writers decided that Clementine is a retard suddenly.
You say you dont want to start another kenny vs jane debate, yet you did anyway.
I was thinking that if i let them in, they will try to kill us at night and Jane dies. If i dont let them in, they come at night and gets Jane killed. Just thinking about season 3 gets me pissed off, because telltale and their lazy writers killing determinant characters, instead of making a great story.
How I read this...
Jane ending: You become like the Villain and Carver succeeds
Alone Ending: You are an ok average Clementine
Kenny Ending: You got the god ending of hope blah blah blah
Sounds kind of biest in my opinion.
Yeah, I very much doubt they´re trustworthy when the guy threatens us, keeps reaching for a gun and keeps talking about how he is a "father" (why so much emphasis on the kid?). I don´t expect Jane to survive more than 10 minutes into Season 3 but I´m still going to do all I can to avoid it and letting them in seemed like the more dangerous option to me.
If Jane or Kenny dies as season 3 starts, im probably just not going to play rest of the season. Getting tired of telltales bs.
I really don´t expect anything else if I´m being honest. Them being determinant is a death sentence. They´re gonna want to tie the endings into one storyline and for that they´re gonna want to get rid of them.
hand fed story is bad model in game where your choices are supposed to change the story.
The replay value would sky rocket for sure.
I like this post. Good interpretations in many ways and I'm not a big fan of the endings to season 2 (any of them) but I like how you've thought about them.
With the Howe's ending there is a sense of danger to both versions, regardless of whether you let the family in or not. Carver let people in too and built a community but that didn't make it a healthy one. The overwhelming feeling is a lack of trust either way. It's partly why this ending felt unresolved or incomplete to me - because it's just the same stuff beginning again.
Now we know nothing about Wellington and it could turn out to be a hellhole in season 3 but the way the ending was presented, it felt like we were never even to wonder. Because contrasting with the Howe's ending, we are presented with a completely trusting scenario. Whether you choose to walk in or walk away, the characters seem to take it on faith that this is a great place to be. No hint of skepticism from either. It felt like a more definitive ending. But one that is a little more of a flight of fancy, especially after what happened 9 days previously.
The ending I got was the alone one. I find that harder to reconcile. I did not in any way get the feeling that Clem was any more equipped to survive from where she was at the start of season 2, especially as she was pulling the same guts stunt at the end of season 1. Perhaps there is something in her now being the grown-up and AJ being the child but I didn't feel that came through. She wasn't the new Lee. My feeling with that ending was "oh, she's buggered now. Hang on, is that it?".
I don't see as much Carver in Kenny and Clem as I do Jane. "Killing one and order to save many." Sounds a whole lot like Jane too me.
Okaaaayyy. So... Carver likes to save people that are about to be murdered?
Yeah... TOTALLY carver.
In the mind of a Kenny fanatic, murder is OK if you don't like the other person, and they don't like Jane, so in that case murder is OK.
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Um... Carver would have let Kenny kill her, I'm pretty sure.
Sorry but no, letting one person murder another in front of your eyes is immoral and definitely more of a "step" in the Carver direction.
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Most of ep5 i was with kenny and jane, and jane and Clem had one scene where jane robbed Arvo
That's true, Jane's philosophy is very similar to Carver's, although Kenny basically followed that line of logic when he kept trying to argue for killing Arvo when he was no longer a threat. Some would say Kenny is justified in that because of what Arvo did, and I would reply that if that's true, then so too is Carver for deciding to murder Walter because of Kenny's actions. In both cases, it's about murdering someone whose friends have caused trouble for the killer in question. It's less about Kenny following Carver's philosophy, and more about him becoming as brutal as Carver.
They'll die at the hand of zombie Kenny or jane for not shooting them in the head
I see you're point. I also think Carver had the right to kill Walter in a way. But anyway, I guess everyone has a little Michael Madsen in them.
You know that i will start a debate if anyone gives a reason for it, so why did you do it?
She wants Kenny away from Clementine, because Kenny is becoming too dangerous to be around.
Even if Clementine never sides up with Kenny or agree with his plans, when Jane proposes that they leave Kenny behind so they could save their own lives, Clementine disagrees. How is that not retarded? A suicidal and violent man is driving them on suicide mission and she doesnt want to leave him behind...
If someone says "i like this ending more", i dont really care. If they say "its safer to be with Kenny" or its "morale thing to let Kenny murder someone", of course im going to state how they are wrong.