Jane said "i spy an asshole" and insulted him by saying "i bet you're having trouble seeing a lot these days" before the argument got out of hand. That's how i see it.
So you list Kenny's good deeds but then choose to only list Jane's bad deeds, think your comment is fairly biased wouldn't you agree? Don't you remember when Jane rushes to pull Clem out of the ice, helps Rebecca and Clem get out of the herd, saves Kenny's ass at the start of episode 5 and possibly the whole group along with that kill.
Why do people hate kenny so much?
* He would never hurt Clem/AJ. They are all he has left.
* He tried everything he could to get Clem … moreInto Wellington even though it meant leaving him by himself.
* He lost his wife and son in a matter of minutes.
* Lost everyone from the ski lodge.
* He was blinded/ beaten unconscious for Clem.
* He is from the original group. Was close with lee in my play through.
* Was gonna sacrifice himself saving Christa/Ben.
Jane just can't compare.
* She abandoned her sister.
* Had no intentions on saving Sarah.
* Was wanting to rob Arvo
* She left the group in the middle of the night.
* She left AJ in an abandoned car in the snow while zombies could. Have easily found him just so she could try to make a point and pick a fight with kenny.
Kenny is irrational sometimes and went overboard with arvo but he would take a bullet for Clem. Even if you hate kenny it still makes more sense to go to We… [view original content]
Well when a guy and his Russian pals threaten you at gunpoint and try to rob you im pretty sure i'd remain hostile towards someone who did that even if he is a kid, it doesn't matter. Maybe wouldn't go as far as Kenny but I wouldn't defend him like Mike and Bonnie kept doing
Of course there are! There are negatives about everyone! She manipulates people, she doesn't trust herself let alone anyone else, she's overly protective, she decides very quickly who she does and doesn't like, she lacks self confidence, to name some.
Well when a guy and his Russian pals threaten you at gunpoint and try to rob you im pretty sure i'd remain hostile towards someone who did t… morehat even if he is a kid, it doesn't matter. Maybe wouldn't go as far as Kenny but I wouldn't defend him like Mike and Bonnie kept doing
I really do laugh at the Kenny haters that like every anti Kenny post on here. You sure have a great little gang here. Keep clicking that like button folks
I like to think that the Kenny hatred/dislike/stern disappointment and disapproval all stems from a very simple problem; a negative loop between the people that like him, and the people that don't
It probably goes something like this:
People on this forum that like Kenny outnumber people that don't, which leads to an over saturation of pro-Kenny posts, and people getting ostracized for not liking him (for an example, openly being a fan of Ben on this forum back when S1 was still coming out was not a common occurrence... or a smart move in general, really)
People that don't like Kenny slowly start getting annoyed at all the posts, and at being effectively 'silenced' by all the people that like him, and try to make their voice heard
More people that don't like Kenny rally beside them, since someone finally spoke up about it
Kenny fans retaliate against the influx of negative posts, be it civilly or not
Negative feedback loop occurs, where people that don't like him get more vocal about it, leading to the people that like him retaliating, which gives the people that don't like him even more reason not to like him, and so on and so forth
Then fast forward a few years, and here we are now; witnesses to one of the world's longest, continuously swirling shitshow
Why do people hate kenny so much?
* He would never hurt Clem/AJ. They are all he has left.
* He tried everything he could to get Clem … moreInto Wellington even though it meant leaving him by himself.
* He lost his wife and son in a matter of minutes.
* Lost everyone from the ski lodge.
* He was blinded/ beaten unconscious for Clem.
* He is from the original group. Was close with lee in my play through.
* Was gonna sacrifice himself saving Christa/Ben.
Jane just can't compare.
* She abandoned her sister.
* Had no intentions on saving Sarah.
* Was wanting to rob Arvo
* She left the group in the middle of the night.
* She left AJ in an abandoned car in the snow while zombies could. Have easily found him just so she could try to make a point and pick a fight with kenny.
Kenny is irrational sometimes and went overboard with arvo but he would take a bullet for Clem. Even if you hate kenny it still makes more sense to go to We… [view original content]
Also I don't hate Jane and I know she has a good side too, such as when she comes back at the beginning of ep5. It's just that Kenny haters try to make her look like an angel while making him sound evil, which is completely unfair.
I really do laugh at the Kenny haters that like every anti Kenny post on here. You sure have a great little gang here. Keep clicking that like button folks
My point is, it's filled with the haters, hardly any pro Kenny on here anymore. A lot on Youtube and places like that though. Honestly sometimes i wish any Kenny topics would get banned because we all always end up arguing. Who'd have thought Telltale could create such split down the middle type character?
My point is, it's filled with the haters, hardly any pro Kenny on here anymore. A lot on Youtube and places like that though. Honestly somet… moreimes i wish any Kenny topics would get banned because we all always end up arguing. Who'd have thought Telltale could create such split down the middle type character?
My point is, it's filled with the haters, hardly any pro Kenny on here anymore. A lot on Youtube and places like that though. Honestly somet… moreimes i wish any Kenny topics would get banned because we all always end up arguing. Who'd have thought Telltale could create such split down the middle type character?
The second he was let out of the shed, he could have immediately left before the herd had arrived.
He could, but that's not how humans behave at all. There's always dialogue before he leaves the shed: Kenny will ask Lee about his arm (determinant) and explain why is he loked in a shed which he obviously had to explain becase that is how humans behave then don't just ignore people and leave. Than the herd comes not giving him a chance of leaving. I don't doubt Kenny would've stayed even if he had a chance but when talking in the Houses yard he sugests going after the boat and if you, as a Lee that is not Kenny's bitch, say that they should go to the countryside he will start imediatly bitching about it instead of showing his arguments for wanting to go to the boat. And see that's the problem about Kenny - he wants really badly to people to obey him and understand his point of view and yet he refuses to ear other people and other points of view.
When he left Shawn to die he was looking out for his kid, anyone would have tended to their son or daughter first. I actually didn't like that he left Shawn but Kenny regretted it afterwards, he felt deeply saddened on the train referring back to the incident.
With Larry, you know, the same guy who left Lee to die in the drugstore? We never ever know for certain if he's dead or alive. Telltale reiterated this several times. What if he was dead and no one did anything and allowed him to turn? I didn't like how it went down with Larry but i know if i was trapped in a room with a guy who could potentially turn, I wouldn't take the risk and you can think what you like about my opinion coz it doesn't bother me and that's that.
Dropping Ben from the bell tower was Lee's call, Kenny wanted him to drop him because the kid was responsible for his family's death, he was angry, of course he was, you would feel exactly the same way. Kenny does the right thing for Ben in the end anyway so he makes up for how he treated him.
Leaving Lilly on the side of the road? This woman shot Carley point blank in the face or tried to shoot Ben and killed Doug. Are you ok with that? I wasn't at the time.
Yet again you miss my point - I'm not trying to prove if those things are bad or not, I'm trying to show that if you don't obey his orders he will just dislike you and wont even try to unserstand your reasons for not doing as he "commands". I do not have to put his son's life over another if I don't want to! I do not have to support him on killing Larry if I do not want to! I do not have to drop a kid of a bell tower if I don't think that's gonna help anyone! I do not have to leave a friend on the road if I think she doesn't deserve it! And Kenny fails to see that, no one has to do only what he wants.And he has this dictatorial atitude during both Season 1 and 2.
Fine you hate him
I do not hate Kenny back at No Going Back I chose him over Jane. I think it's really sad that it took me one year to figure that I was supporting a dude who enjoyed beating children, who is a murderer and who has a dictatorial atittude. Atm I just dislike him and I rewinded so that I could stop him from murdering another person (Jane).
It doesn't matter what you say
Ohh, right, it only matters what YOU say (ugh, you sound like Kenny). -.- It's not like I'm the only one arguing on this discussion.
i will never agree with you on this lol
And I probably won't too, but you as well as me are still bothering replying.
I see Kenny differently to you so please respect that instead of attacking me for my opinion and implying i am wrong and you are right because neither of us are and that's why we have opinions.
"Attacking" you?
I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm stating my opinion and so are you.
Ironwoodlover
When i said he goes with you regardless i was referring to after the boat had gone, apologies if that wasn't clear but ive … moreplayed the game enough times to know what i mean.
The second he was let out of the shed, he could have immediately left before the herd had arrived. I hadn't forgotten at all.!When in the attic he could have said im splitting up when we get out of here but he didn't, he said "lets go get that little girl". So he does end up going with you which was my point.
When he left Shawn to die he was looking out for his kid, anyone would have tended to their son or daughter first. I actually didn't like that he left Shawn but Kenny regretted it afterwards, he felt deeply saddened on the train referring back to the incident.
With Larry, you know, the same guy who left Lee to die in the drugstore? We never ever know for certain if he's dead or alive. Telltale reiterated this several times. What if he was dea… [view original content]
I think Kenny just couldn't or wouldn't trust anyone in season 2 which partially results in him being horrible to whoever and i agree that there have been times where he doesn't need to be horrible and he does act like an asshole but that's just how he's always been and him being like that is not enough for me to want him dead like some haters on here. He's hard to like but i found him a very interesting character because good or bad, when he was around, drama happened and as you can see on these forums, he's mentioned all the time, so split down the middle. I always found some of his insulting lines hilarious or whenever he got angry, i mean calling Ben shitbird? Haha
Going back to what you said. It's made obvious to me that Clem cares about Kenny more than Jane which is understandable as she only knows Jane for 3 or 4 days and still doesn't know her that well. I think i'd be the same. Also Clem has reason to be angry at Jane because she caused the whole thing to happen. Kenny wouldn't have lashed out at Jane if she hadn't done what she did. She does actually say "you didn't have to kill her Kenny!" in a disapproving, sort of annoyed tone.
You make good points as well and i actually agree on some things you said. I just look at the final scene as Jane's fault for deliberately causing him to get angry when she didn't have to because Clementine could definitely see what he was like in previous scenes. I think Clem didn't want to go with Jane because of the fact she has known Kenny a long time, was good friends with his son and liked his wife, the whole connection with Lee etc. And Jane only wanted Clementine to go with her and leave Kenny behind and because she wasn't prepared to, she goes and messes with a broken man's emotions making him believe that the one thing left he cared about (AJ) was dead and as i said she just didn't need to what she did.
She also put Clementine in danger by doing so as she gets shoved to the ground by either one of them. Regardless of his state of mind, i will never believe he'd hurt Clem or the baby because he had plenty of times where he could have done so during his angry moments but he never did. Only to a Russian kid he didn't trust and the other person he went to strike physically was Jane and both occasions he was given a reason to. The thing is, i don't know why people got offended with Kenny's treatment of Arvo after what he and his friends did to the group. I can sympathise with the fact Arvo lost his sister and friends all at once but they brought it on themselves, plus Kenny lost his entire family all at once too so it's no different really.
Jane knew what he'd do so it was a planned self defence. After she slashed him though, as I stated above, outside after Jane or Kenny push Clem out of the way, she goes to strike him when she didn't need to did she? Unless he had charged at her again but he did not on that occasion. She wanted a fight that never needed to happen and that was made clear and we will never know if he would have stopped the fight or not because Jane didn't even try or want to say that the baby was fine.
Again thanks for the reply, thanks for not attacking me on my opinion like some other Kenny haters do on here
You make good counterpoints towards me, and like always, everyone has their own opinion, and I respect yours, as you do mine. While I agree … morethat grief was the main reason for his rage, I feel that there were sometimes when he was a gigantic jerk to people for no reason. He makes fun of Nick and Luke for questioning his plan, and in Episode 3 he's a dick to Reggie and Mike for no reason. He turns his rage on people who don't deserve it. His treatment towards the baby in Episode 4 is pretty creepy, and Luke even points it out. He keeps asking Rebecca to let him hold it, even when she states that she wants to hold him. I found that creepy. I get it, you like the baby, but it's not yours! But, I can see why he cares about it so much, so I can let that slide. While I think that he has good reason not to trust Arvo, when he says stuff like 'ruskie' and 'euro trash' it makes me sick. Not to mention almost beating him to death, and before then, eve… [view original content]
It's not like they're clicking the button without offering any argument like people did in the downvote-button days. There are many good discussions about why they hold their opinions - being angry at people for clicking a button designed to show support when they themselves are also justifying their point of view is odd.
I really do laugh at the Kenny haters that like every anti Kenny post on here. You sure have a great little gang here. Keep clicking that like button folks
People who don't like Kenny got used to being downvoted and even threatened for like two years, I'm sure you can manage being in the minority (without downvotes and without life threats as far as I can see) in the time until season 3.
My point is, it's filled with the haters, hardly any pro Kenny on here anymore. A lot on Youtube and places like that though. Honestly somet… moreimes i wish any Kenny topics would get banned because we all always end up arguing. Who'd have thought Telltale could create such split down the middle type character?
Well at the point of when the gang are in the attic, Kenny is ok with you despite all your past choices against him, it is certainly implied that way and i think he can call you pal so in a way all our past choices are cast out the window at this point.
And what you said about Kenny and not siding with him, this is why its down to our choices. When i originally played it, i sided with him and hardly had any problems with him. I do see your point though and that's fair enough on your opinion.
I don't think enjoying beating children is the right term.
I don't see how being angry can make you happy beating someone up. When i'm angry, im not happy hitting a wall in frustration but that's just how i see it.
Kenny is a murderer, Lee is a murderer, Clementine is a murderer, everyone is in the apocalypse.
No, no of course it doesn't just matter what i say, I didn't intend for it to sound like that. You have your opinion but what i meant was it's not important to me because i have my own view but i respect what you say. I apologise for the end remark but it just sounded like you were attacking my opinion and saying it was wrong.
The second he was let out of the shed, he could have immediately left before the herd had arrived.
He could, but that's not how huma… morens behave at all. There's always dialogue before he leaves the shed: Kenny will ask Lee about his arm (determinant) and explain why is he loked in a shed which he obviously had to explain becase that is how humans behave then don't just ignore people and leave. Than the herd comes not giving him a chance of leaving. I don't doubt Kenny would've stayed even if he had a chance but when talking in the Houses yard he sugests going after the boat and if you, as a Lee that is not Kenny's bitch, say that they should go to the countryside he will start imediatly bitching about it instead of showing his arguments for wanting to go to the boat. And see that's the problem about Kenny - he wants really badly to people to obey him and understand his point of view and yet he refuses to ear other people and other points… [view original content]
I like to think that the Kenny hatred/dislike/stern disappointment and disapproval all stems from a very simple problem; a negative loop bet… moreween the people that like him, and the people that don't
It probably goes something like this:
* People on this forum that like Kenny outnumber people that don't, which leads to an over saturation of pro-Kenny posts, and people getting ostracized for not liking him (for an example, openly being a fan of Ben on this forum back when S1 was still coming out was not a common occurrence... or a smart move in general, really)
* People that don't like Kenny slowly start getting annoyed at all the posts, and at being effectively 'silenced' by all the people that like him, and try to make their voice heard
* More people that don't like Kenny rally beside them, since someone finally spoke up about it
* Kenny fans retaliate against the influx of negative posts, be it civilly or not
* Negative fee… [view original content]
Fair enough, that's your opinion on Kenny, that opposes mine.
I'd just like to point out that killing someone is not the same as murdering someone. When you're murdering someone you're doing it for the sake of vengeance/being angry/being evil. And while a murderer is a killer a killer is not necessarily a murderer. For example, Bonnie is a killer because she killed Dee, but not a murderer because she only did it by accident and in self defence.
Well at the point of when the gang are in the attic, Kenny is ok with you despite all your past choices against him, it is certainly implied… more that way and i think he can call you pal so in a way all our past choices are cast out the window at this point.
And what you said about Kenny and not siding with him, this is why its down to our choices. When i originally played it, i sided with him and hardly had any problems with him. I do see your point though and that's fair enough on your opinion.
I don't think enjoying beating children is the right term.
I don't see how being angry can make you happy beating someone up. When i'm angry, im not happy hitting a wall in frustration but that's just how i see it.
Kenny is a murderer, Lee is a murderer, Clementine is a murderer, everyone is in the apocalypse.
No, no of course it doesn't just matter what i say, I didn't intend for it to sound like that. You have your opinion but what i meant … [view original content]
I mentioned his bad deeds too. He didn't do much bad in season 2 besides get angry a lot and beat the shit out of Arvo but after all hes been through its understandable that he is the way he is. Some strangers knocked on his front door and all of his people ended up dead just like in season 1 so id be a little angry too. The reason the Russians came back is because of Jane so killing that guy was the least she could do.. Kenny has Clems best interest in mind and she is first in his eyes. They both have redeeming qualities and they both have done bad things but Kenny has done more to benefit the group/Clem. I'm thinking about whats best for Clem and staying with someone who leaves when times get tough isn't what i think is best.Going with Kenny seemed to be the right choice for Clems sake. What made you think I'm biased? Was it my username or my avatar?
So you list Kenny's good deeds but then choose to only list Jane's bad deeds, think your comment is fairly biased wouldn't you agree? Don't … moreyou remember when Jane rushes to pull Clem out of the ice, helps Rebecca and Clem get out of the herd, saves Kenny's ass at the start of episode 5 and possibly the whole group along with that kill.
That's how it is now, but it wasn't like that before. There was a point when the people that liked Kenny on here definitely outnumbered the people that didn't.
I can agree with you that Jane has a part to play in the fight, but I do think that Kenny was a little bit insane during the fight, and I do think some of it was not necessary. I always thought in my head that Kenny didn't care about reason at that point and that Jane didn't intend for Kenny to die. I'm kind of iffy on the last part, though. The main reason I am offended at Kenny's treatment of Arvo is that I am Russian myself, so calling a Russian kid 'Russkie' and a 'commie piece of shit' was uncalled for. The fact that he is constantly hurting Arvo also made me dislike him. He used him as a human shield while he was crying over his dead sister's body, he tries to murder him even though the kid is cowering in fear, he constantly abuses him, almost to the point of death, and as I stated above, he calls him many offensive things. Maybe I'm too sensitive, but that is probably the worst treatment a kid could get at that time, especially after seeing his sister die. The reason she punched him was probably apart of her plan, too. I felt that Jane's plan was to make Kenny go insane, but then subdue him, not get him killed or kill him. To me, that was always her plan, but in the heat of the moment, she probably felt that it was the best option to attack him. Also, no prob Bob, I respect Kenny fans' opinions on Kenny.
CunningFox
I think Kenny just couldn't or wouldn't trust anyone in season 2 which partially results in him being horrible to whoever and … morei agree that there have been times where he doesn't need to be horrible and he does act like an asshole but that's just how he's always been and him being like that is not enough for me to want him dead like some haters on here. He's hard to like but i found him a very interesting character because good or bad, when he was around, drama happened and as you can see on these forums, he's mentioned all the time, so split down the middle. I always found some of his insulting lines hilarious or whenever he got angry, i mean calling Ben shitbird? Haha
Going back to what you said. It's made obvious to me that Clem cares about Kenny more than Jane which is understandable as she only knows Jane for 3 or 4 days and still doesn't know her that well. I think i'd be the same. Also Clem has reason to be angry at Jan… [view original content]
I'll admit that Kenny could act pretty childish if you disagree with him.
But if you have his back when it matters, he has your back, and we has your back he is loyal to a fault, which is what a true friend does.
I hate Kenny, and I stand by my opinion. In Season 1, he is a whiny little shit whenever you don't side with him, and he will always hold st… moreuff above your head. Not to mention his hypocrisy. In Episode 2, he kills Larry (who might not have been dead in the first place) just so he won't turn, but when Duck gets bitten, he goes into major denial and denies any chance of Duck turning, saying stuff like, 'he'll be fine' and 'we don't know shit.' In Season 2, you can see how angry and flat-out mean he is. He, just like in Season 1, will get mad at the player if you don't side with him, has very creepy mannerisms with the baby, and turns out to be very unstable. His treatment towards Arvo was disgusting and made me sick to my stomach, and not to mention how he tries to kill Jane, even though in her defense at the time, she says it was an accident. And if you don't shoot him, he kills Jane but doesn't care, even after he finds out that she was lying… [view original content]
Is there any need to label other people for disliking a character? Why must people use the term 'Hater' for someone who has a negative opinion towards something?
I'll admit that Kenny could act pretty childish if you disagree with him.
But if you have his back when it matters, he has your back, and we has your back he is loyal to a fault, which is what a true friend does.
Read the previous posts that glorify Kenny and demonize Jane.... people can glorify and demonize which ever characters they choose, I agree it's unfair but people can have opinions and other people can disagree with those opinions.
Also I don't hate Jane and I know she has a good side too, such as when she comes back at the beginning of ep5. It's just that Kenny haters try to make her look like an angel while making him sound evil, which is completely unfair.
I definitely agree with you there, decided it would be nice to join the Forum since I was starting to like The Sims 4, then one post about liking the game later and I get pages of people telling me my opinion is wrong.
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He thought that eleven year old shot his sister. Kenny being a dick (as usual) only made it worse.
The argument started as soon as Jane questioned him about Wellington.
So you list Kenny's good deeds but then choose to only list Jane's bad deeds, think your comment is fairly biased wouldn't you agree? Don't you remember when Jane rushes to pull Clem out of the ice, helps Rebecca and Clem get out of the herd, saves Kenny's ass at the start of episode 5 and possibly the whole group along with that kill.
Well when a guy and his Russian pals threaten you at gunpoint and try to rob you im pretty sure i'd remain hostile towards someone who did that even if he is a kid, it doesn't matter. Maybe wouldn't go as far as Kenny but I wouldn't defend him like Mike and Bonnie kept doing
And because he disagreed, she started arguing back
That is "my" view on it
Of course there are! There are negatives about everyone! She manipulates people, she doesn't trust herself let alone anyone else, she's overly protective, she decides very quickly who she does and doesn't like, she lacks self confidence, to name some.
She disagreed, and he argued back. That's my view.
Don't get me wrong, I hated Mike and Bonnie for how they defended him. But Kenny shouldn't of treated him like shit to begin with.
Stalemate then lol
I really do laugh at the Kenny haters that like every anti Kenny post on here. You sure have a great little gang here. Keep clicking that like button folks
I like to think that the Kenny hatred/dislike/stern disappointment and disapproval all stems from a very simple problem; a negative loop between the people that like him, and the people that don't
It probably goes something like this:
People on this forum that like Kenny outnumber people that don't, which leads to an over saturation of pro-Kenny posts, and people getting ostracized for not liking him (for an example, openly being a fan of Ben on this forum back when S1 was still coming out was not a common occurrence... or a smart move in general, really)
People that don't like Kenny slowly start getting annoyed at all the posts, and at being effectively 'silenced' by all the people that like him, and try to make their voice heard
More people that don't like Kenny rally beside them, since someone finally spoke up about it
Kenny fans retaliate against the influx of negative posts, be it civilly or not
Negative feedback loop occurs, where people that don't like him get more vocal about it, leading to the people that like him retaliating, which gives the people that don't like him even more reason not to like him, and so on and so forth
Then fast forward a few years, and here we are now; witnesses to one of the world's longest, continuously swirling shitshow
Lol XD
Please show me where us "Kenny haters" make her seem like an angel. The same thing can be said about Kenny fans.
I don't know about you, but if I agree with something, I'm going to upvote/like.
My point is, it's filled with the haters, hardly any pro Kenny on here anymore. A lot on Youtube and places like that though. Honestly sometimes i wish any Kenny topics would get banned because we all always end up arguing. Who'd have thought Telltale could create such split down the middle type character?
It's still not nearly as bad as the Sims forums two summers ago. Now THAT was a nightmare.
We're not haters though. We don't like the character, that's all there is to it.
I beg to differ. You can flat out murder Kenny by shooting him in the head when the fight is over. You don't get this option with Jane.
He could, but that's not how humans behave at all. There's always dialogue before he leaves the shed: Kenny will ask Lee about his arm (determinant) and explain why is he loked in a shed which he obviously had to explain becase that is how humans behave then don't just ignore people and leave. Than the herd comes not giving him a chance of leaving. I don't doubt Kenny would've stayed even if he had a chance but when talking in the Houses yard he sugests going after the boat and if you, as a Lee that is not Kenny's bitch, say that they should go to the countryside he will start imediatly bitching about it instead of showing his arguments for wanting to go to the boat. And see that's the problem about Kenny - he wants really badly to people to obey him and understand his point of view and yet he refuses to ear other people and other points of view.
Yet again you miss my point - I'm not trying to prove if those things are bad or not, I'm trying to show that if you don't obey his orders he will just dislike you and wont even try to unserstand your reasons for not doing as he "commands". I do not have to put his son's life over another if I don't want to! I do not have to support him on killing Larry if I do not want to! I do not have to drop a kid of a bell tower if I don't think that's gonna help anyone! I do not have to leave a friend on the road if I think she doesn't deserve it! And Kenny fails to see that, no one has to do only what he wants.And he has this dictatorial atitude during both Season 1 and 2.
I do not hate Kenny back at No Going Back I chose him over Jane. I think it's really sad that it took me one year to figure that I was supporting a dude who enjoyed beating children, who is a murderer and who has a dictatorial atittude. Atm I just dislike him and I rewinded so that I could stop him from murdering another person (Jane).
Ohh, right, it only matters what YOU say (ugh, you sound like Kenny). -.- It's not like I'm the only one arguing on this discussion.
And I probably won't too, but you as well as me are still bothering replying.
"Attacking" you?
I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm stating my opinion and so are you.
Don't act like the "victim", son.
CunningFox
I think Kenny just couldn't or wouldn't trust anyone in season 2 which partially results in him being horrible to whoever and i agree that there have been times where he doesn't need to be horrible and he does act like an asshole but that's just how he's always been and him being like that is not enough for me to want him dead like some haters on here. He's hard to like but i found him a very interesting character because good or bad, when he was around, drama happened and as you can see on these forums, he's mentioned all the time, so split down the middle. I always found some of his insulting lines hilarious or whenever he got angry, i mean calling Ben shitbird? Haha
Going back to what you said. It's made obvious to me that Clem cares about Kenny more than Jane which is understandable as she only knows Jane for 3 or 4 days and still doesn't know her that well. I think i'd be the same. Also Clem has reason to be angry at Jane because she caused the whole thing to happen. Kenny wouldn't have lashed out at Jane if she hadn't done what she did. She does actually say "you didn't have to kill her Kenny!" in a disapproving, sort of annoyed tone.
You make good points as well and i actually agree on some things you said. I just look at the final scene as Jane's fault for deliberately causing him to get angry when she didn't have to because Clementine could definitely see what he was like in previous scenes. I think Clem didn't want to go with Jane because of the fact she has known Kenny a long time, was good friends with his son and liked his wife, the whole connection with Lee etc. And Jane only wanted Clementine to go with her and leave Kenny behind and because she wasn't prepared to, she goes and messes with a broken man's emotions making him believe that the one thing left he cared about (AJ) was dead and as i said she just didn't need to what she did.
She also put Clementine in danger by doing so as she gets shoved to the ground by either one of them. Regardless of his state of mind, i will never believe he'd hurt Clem or the baby because he had plenty of times where he could have done so during his angry moments but he never did. Only to a Russian kid he didn't trust and the other person he went to strike physically was Jane and both occasions he was given a reason to. The thing is, i don't know why people got offended with Kenny's treatment of Arvo after what he and his friends did to the group. I can sympathise with the fact Arvo lost his sister and friends all at once but they brought it on themselves, plus Kenny lost his entire family all at once too so it's no different really.
Jane knew what he'd do so it was a planned self defence. After she slashed him though, as I stated above, outside after Jane or Kenny push Clem out of the way, she goes to strike him when she didn't need to did she? Unless he had charged at her again but he did not on that occasion. She wanted a fight that never needed to happen and that was made clear and we will never know if he would have stopped the fight or not because Jane didn't even try or want to say that the baby was fine.
Again thanks for the reply, thanks for not attacking me on my opinion like some other Kenny haters do on here
Ok, sure
Ok.
You can't justify your logic for holding opinion x just by saying 'x is my opinion' that's incredibly circular :P
It's not like they're clicking the button without offering any argument like people did in the downvote-button days. There are many good discussions about why they hold their opinions - being angry at people for clicking a button designed to show support when they themselves are also justifying their point of view is odd.
People who don't like Kenny got used to being downvoted and even threatened for like two years, I'm sure you can manage being in the minority (without downvotes and without life threats as far as I can see) in the time until season 3.
Well at the point of when the gang are in the attic, Kenny is ok with you despite all your past choices against him, it is certainly implied that way and i think he can call you pal so in a way all our past choices are cast out the window at this point.
And what you said about Kenny and not siding with him, this is why its down to our choices. When i originally played it, i sided with him and hardly had any problems with him. I do see your point though and that's fair enough on your opinion.
I don't think enjoying beating children is the right term.
I don't see how being angry can make you happy beating someone up. When i'm angry, im not happy hitting a wall in frustration but that's just how i see it.
Kenny is a murderer, Lee is a murderer, Clementine is a murderer, everyone is in the apocalypse.
No, no of course it doesn't just matter what i say, I didn't intend for it to sound like that. You have your opinion but what i meant was it's not important to me because i have my own view but i respect what you say. I apologise for the end remark but it just sounded like you were attacking my opinion and saying it was wrong.
Deltino there are more haters/or people who dislike him here than those that do like him. At least that's how it seems lately
Fair enough, that's your opinion on Kenny, that opposes mine.
I'd just like to point out that killing someone is not the same as murdering someone. When you're murdering someone you're doing it for the sake of vengeance/being angry/being evil. And while a murderer is a killer a killer is not necessarily a murderer. For example, Bonnie is a killer because she killed Dee, but not a murderer because she only did it by accident and in self defence.
I mentioned his bad deeds too. He didn't do much bad in season 2 besides get angry a lot and beat the shit out of Arvo but after all hes been through its understandable that he is the way he is. Some strangers knocked on his front door and all of his people ended up dead just like in season 1 so id be a little angry too. The reason the Russians came back is because of Jane so killing that guy was the least she could do.. Kenny has Clems best interest in mind and she is first in his eyes. They both have redeeming qualities and they both have done bad things but Kenny has done more to benefit the group/Clem. I'm thinking about whats best for Clem and staying with someone who leaves when times get tough isn't what i think is best.Going with Kenny seemed to be the right choice for Clems sake. What made you think I'm biased? Was it my username or my avatar?
I concur. There are a lot of Kenny haters.
That's how it is now, but it wasn't like that before. There was a point when the people that liked Kenny on here definitely outnumbered the people that didn't.
I can agree with you that Jane has a part to play in the fight, but I do think that Kenny was a little bit insane during the fight, and I do think some of it was not necessary. I always thought in my head that Kenny didn't care about reason at that point and that Jane didn't intend for Kenny to die. I'm kind of iffy on the last part, though. The main reason I am offended at Kenny's treatment of Arvo is that I am Russian myself, so calling a Russian kid 'Russkie' and a 'commie piece of shit' was uncalled for. The fact that he is constantly hurting Arvo also made me dislike him. He used him as a human shield while he was crying over his dead sister's body, he tries to murder him even though the kid is cowering in fear, he constantly abuses him, almost to the point of death, and as I stated above, he calls him many offensive things. Maybe I'm too sensitive, but that is probably the worst treatment a kid could get at that time, especially after seeing his sister die. The reason she punched him was probably apart of her plan, too. I felt that Jane's plan was to make Kenny go insane, but then subdue him, not get him killed or kill him. To me, that was always her plan, but in the heat of the moment, she probably felt that it was the best option to attack him. Also, no prob Bob, I respect Kenny fans' opinions on Kenny.
Jane is a major character as well. In fact, she's crucial for Season 2's plot to move forward from Episode 3.
I'll admit that Kenny could act pretty childish if you disagree with him.
But if you have his back when it matters, he has your back, and we has your back he is loyal to a fault, which is what a true friend does.
Is there any need to label other people for disliking a character? Why must people use the term 'Hater' for someone who has a negative opinion towards something?
But a true friend wouldn't care if your friend disagreed with you at times, he would be there no matter what. Kenny doesn't do that.
Read the previous posts that glorify Kenny and demonize Jane.... people can glorify and demonize which ever characters they choose, I agree it's unfair but people can have opinions and other people can disagree with those opinions.
I definitely agree with you there, decided it would be nice to join the Forum since I was starting to like The Sims 4, then one post about liking the game later and I get pages of people telling me my opinion is wrong.