It's all kicked off again with the Kenny stuff again. I hope that his critics would try and give him a break in the future so the same stuff doesn't get repeated over and over again (which a lot of us are guilty of to some degree when it comes to Kenny discussion).
He had his controversial moments, but in terms of entertainment was easily one of the best characters in the game for me. Makes me cringe when I see people saying characters like Luke and Omid were better characters. Neither could have or would ever have the potential to drive the game like he did. The only way characters like Luke were better than Kenny is morally.
"Kenny I'm-"...forget about that? And it's not like Kenny didn't want Jane to die either. Did you not forget Kenny also wanted to leave Arvo to freeze to death too?
I liked Kenny, as a Southerner myself..I guess he just reminded me of a relative. When a decisive/direct Man from the South speaks with the tone of confidence about what the right and wrong things to do are, he would appear to be a figure of authority. Kenny is like an Uncle who's mad at the world but has a heart of gold for his people, and when they need it the most he comes through. His Heart was in the right place but leadership(getting others to listen and commit to the gameplan) doesn't work so well when you wear your Heart on your Sleeve(thoughts/feelings/emotions openly visible for all to see). People follow leaders because they have seemingly definite answers, as though it Goes from God to the Leader to You and me. They can't appear wishy-washy, can't reveal their thinking...If they blurt every thought or plan out as they're thinking, then others realize he doesn't know what to do any more than the rest of us...he's just weighing the options like the rest of us.
His emotional reactive personality is put through the ringer, and Jane was a promiscuous goth chick with manipulative tendencies. She admitted to only looking out for number 1...which makes any other people she encounters disposable pawns in her game. She can use people and if they die, kill each other, are eaten by Zombies, separated and trapped somewhere...she doesn't have empathy, just apathy. After everything Kenny went through and lost, her careless self-serving conniving bitchiness appeared to Kenny as a threat to the well-being and safety of the group. The group was all Kenny had left, and the baby symbolized the future and survival of humanity. He wanted to hold and keep safe the baby....but remembers he couldn't do so for his wife or his baby(Duck).
Long story short.....(Too Late) She alienated Kenny from the group and drove a wedge between Kenny and his last remaining reason to live(purpose), protector/savior of the group. She was cold, calculating, selfish, and instigatory...especially knowing how to push Kenny's buttons and discredit him to the only remaining people he had. She would have been a good (evil)lawyer, but with lives on the line, She should have followed her own advice and stayed the hell away from the group...
Imagine-------if she came and gone, Would the group have split/crumbled? Would they have lost their allegiance to each other because she made them paranoid by questioning another group members' behavior? Or would the group have stayed together without that festering impish trollop?
P.S. You tell any American over 40 that a baby is missing, and they're going to freak/be on high alert.
"I had to do it Clem, you saw how he reacted, I had to show you what he was capable of" NO, Jane YOU SHOWED US WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF! YA TWISTED uppetty &*(& %^&%!!!!
It's all kicked off again with the Kenny stuff again. I hope that his critics would try and give him a break in the future so the same stuff… more doesn't get repeated over and over again (which a lot of us are guilty of to some degree when it comes to Kenny discussion).
He had his controversial moments, but in terms of entertainment was easily one of the best characters in the game for me. Makes me cringe when I see people saying characters like Luke and Omid were better characters. Neither could have or would ever have the potential to drive the game like he did. The only way characters like Luke were better than Kenny is morally.
An apology doesn't matter if you don't actually mean it. Arvo shot Clem after I tried to get Kenny to ease up on him so no I didn't forget, I just don't care. I have no doubt Kenny would have been fine with Jane dying, except he didn't go into action until after she had already tried to leave him, and made him think she had killed AJ.
"Kenny I'm-"...forget about that? And it's not like Kenny didn't want Jane to die either. Did you not forget Kenny also wanted to leave Arvo to freeze to death too?
Its funny because he still goes with you in the end regardless. Afer the boat's gone why didn't he just leave soon after? He could easily have done so but he didn't because i think deep down it was more about him getting back at Lee for his past actions. Selfish yeah maybe but i never had those problems with him and that's why we have choices so there shouldn't be any debate about it really. He's either your friend or he's not depending how you play
That was not my point.
If you agree with Kenny on everything he wont think twice and will ofer to go with you regardless.
If you didn'… moret Kenny wont.
This means that: trying to save Larry, trying to save Shawn, letting ben die, sidding with Lilly, etc weights on weather Kenny will or will not ofer to save a life.
And THAT shows how messed up Kenny morals are.
Why does killing Larry weight on Clem's life? Or sidding with Kenny? Or saving Shawn? Nothing, is the answer. And yet Kenny is willing to let Clem on her own because of that.
Then she called him an asshole after he left the truck. Not exactly an apology she would have meant either. They were as bad as each other arguing in the car and we all know it
nah seriously kenny fought jane cause she killed the baby and didnt give two shits (even though she didnt ACTUALLY kill the baby) she knew doing that would provoke him and she knew what he would do yet told clementine "hur dur didnt know he was gonna go that far" and basically doesnt apologize to clementine for making her kill someone she knew. she felt no remorse for her action and basically is an overall bitch who decided to go back to an undefended base with shit all food to last them long enough. when wellington did actually exist and was safe as shit. meanwhile kenny felt huge remorse for killing jane and at the end they found wellington and then he sacrificed his safety so clementine and AJ could be safe inside solid walls. sorry but nothing will change my mind about jane. wish they gave me the option to shoot jane xD
(recopying and pasting my comment that i replied to someone else here to give my side of the discussion) kenny fought jane cause she said she got the baby and didnt give two shits (even though she didnt ACTUALLY kill the baby) she knew doing that would provoke him and she knew what he would do yet told clementine "hur dur didnt know he was gonna go that far" and basically doesnt apologize to clementine for making her kill someone she knew. she felt no real remorse for her action and basically is an overall bitch who decided to go back to an undefended base with shit all food to last them long enough. when wellington did actually exist and was safe as shit. meanwhile kenny felt huge remorse for killing jane and wanted clementine to forgive him for going too far. and at the end they found wellington and then he sacrificed his safety so clementine and AJ could be safe inside solid walls. kenny wasnt trying to be creepy he just wanted the baby to be safe. he saw his own wife kill herself and her son sick as fuck get shot in the head. and then a skinny zombified child killed. and then his own girlfriend bleed out or turn. he was happy to finally see something good and wanted to protect it. jane wanted to leave it behind if things got hard. i did think kenny shouldve been at least trying to see if she was fucking with him and didnt kill the baby but then again its the zombie apocalypse their in a blizzard and we all knew she didnt like the baby at all in fact even i wouldve killed her if she did shit like that after i tried to protect the kid so fuckin hard. and arvo was a little cunt. he didnt care if my group died. even though i let him have the medical supplies. fuck that guy. i was glad kenny beat the shit out of him. and kenny was a dick to people cause he lost basically everything his family and then his girlfriend and all he had left was clementine and AJ so he did what he had to, to protect them. i heard a saying. a man with nothing to lose is quite dangerous. but a man with something left to save is far more dangerous. so he didnt want jane to get away with killing the baby and possibly even leaving clementine to her death if clementine was ever surrounded by a horde of zombies. kenny wouldve fought through that horde getting bit to the shit if it meant saving clementine. so good luck trying to convince me that jane was the good guy. though i do see a few valid points. like one or two xD
You make good counterpoints towards me, and like always, everyone has their own opinion, and I respect yours, as you do mine. While I agree … morethat grief was the main reason for his rage, I feel that there were sometimes when he was a gigantic jerk to people for no reason. He makes fun of Nick and Luke for questioning his plan, and in Episode 3 he's a dick to Reggie and Mike for no reason. He turns his rage on people who don't deserve it. His treatment towards the baby in Episode 4 is pretty creepy, and Luke even points it out. He keeps asking Rebecca to let him hold it, even when she states that she wants to hold him. I found that creepy. I get it, you like the baby, but it's not yours! But, I can see why he cares about it so much, so I can let that slide. While I think that he has good reason not to trust Arvo, when he says stuff like 'ruskie' and 'euro trash' it makes me sick. Not to mention almost beating him to death, and before then, eve… [view original content]
No problem, yeah, I also don't like how going with Jane automatically makes Clementine agree with Jane either, I feel like the game was sayi… moreng I must hate Kenny if I chose to side with Jane and I don't really hate any of the characters tbh, at least not anymore lol what I disliked the most was how Kenny gets 2 special scenes where you can shoot him after he kills Jane or after you shoot him to save Jane and his Ending is also the longest of the three(I believe twice as long as Jane's and allot longer than the Alone Ending), as well as there being only 2 options with Jane whilst Kenny gets 4, it just felt unfair.
I liked Kenny, as a Southerner myself..I guess he just reminded me of a relative. When a decisive/direct Man from the South speaks with th… moree tone of confidence about what the right and wrong things to do are, he would appear to be a figure of authority. Kenny is like an Uncle who's mad at the world but has a heart of gold for his people, and when they need it the most he comes through. His Heart was in the right place but leadership(getting others to listen and commit to the gameplan) doesn't work so well when you wear your Heart on your Sleeve(thoughts/feelings/emotions openly visible for all to see). People follow leaders because they have seemingly definite answers, as though it Goes from God to the Leader to You and me. They can't appear wishy-washy, can't reveal their thinking...If they blurt every thought or plan out as they're thinking, then others realize he doesn't know what to do any more than the rest of us...he's just weighin… [view original content]
(on the Jane taunting him about his dead family - she did that after he said how no-one loves/loved her and she abandons people, which is obviously just as hurtful to say to Jane.)
In S2 E5 when Kenny crashes the car the first thing he does is ask Jane if she is alright, then he leaves the car to get gas so they can get… more to safety. Keep in mind this is after Jane had just taunted him about his dead family.
Jane then tries to convince Clem to leave Kenny to die.
Hmmm...
As a character I liked Jane and as I replayed the game, I realised that she along with Kenny is one of the best characters in the game. However I too often question if the situation is as black and white as "Kenny was crazy and Jane done what she did to prove a point and make Clementine see it". Some of it could have been jealousy because Clementine might have respected and liked Kenny a bit more than herself and she wanted him out of the way. Kenny might have attacked her, not purely because he was a raging loon, but because his instincts about Jane made him think that there was some kind of foul play and it wasn't just an accident, which was somewhat proven to be correct.
Normally I try not to get involved in Kenny vs Jane thing, but I do think that both behaved inappropriately before and during the fight.
I liked Kenny, as a Southerner myself..I guess he just reminded me of a relative. When a decisive/direct Man from the South speaks with th… moree tone of confidence about what the right and wrong things to do are, he would appear to be a figure of authority. Kenny is like an Uncle who's mad at the world but has a heart of gold for his people, and when they need it the most he comes through. His Heart was in the right place but leadership(getting others to listen and commit to the gameplan) doesn't work so well when you wear your Heart on your Sleeve(thoughts/feelings/emotions openly visible for all to see). People follow leaders because they have seemingly definite answers, as though it Goes from God to the Leader to You and me. They can't appear wishy-washy, can't reveal their thinking...If they blurt every thought or plan out as they're thinking, then others realize he doesn't know what to do any more than the rest of us...he's just weighin… [view original content]
Its funny because he still goes with you in the end regardless.
No he doesn't. If you didn't do everything he asks he will be like "you weren't there for me why would I be there for you now?" and then you have the option to convince him, tell him to fuck of or tell him that you need him (which results in him not going with you).
Afer the boat's gone why didn't he just leave soon after? He could easily have done so but he didn't because i think deep down it was more about him getting back at Lee for his past actions.
Huuum, you forgot about the part where a herd of walkers come and ends up forcing them to go to the attic where they are stuck? So yeah he was forced into the house alongside everyone else.
Selfish yeah maybe but i never had those problems with him and that's why we have choices so there shouldn't be any debate about it really. He's either your friend or he's not depending how you play.
Lemme correct that: "He's either your friend or not depending if you are or are not his obedient dog." Through the game Kenny only wants you to chose his side and what he wants. "Let that men die and go save my child", "take a person out of my way so I can smash that person's dad's skull", "drop a kid of a bell tower, just because it pleases me", "leave that woman on the road to be eaten by walkers" and so on and so forth. Kenny's definition of "friendship" towards Lee is based on if you've been trying to save who he wants and to murder who he wants as well.
Its funny because he still goes with you in the end regardless. Afer the boat's gone why didn't he just leave soon after? He could easily ha… moreve done so but he didn't because i think deep down it was more about him getting back at Lee for his past actions. Selfish yeah maybe but i never had those problems with him and that's why we have choices so there shouldn't be any debate about it really. He's either your friend or he's not depending how you play
Yes, its hard to trust people this far into the apocalypse, i think i'd be the same. I think Sarita said it best when talking of Walter and Matthew "it's so dangerous to be this kind". Don't trust anyone unless you knew them before or just as the apocalypse was happening because so many people are too far gone now
He would never hurt Clem/AJ. They are all he has left.
He tried everything he could to get Clem Into Wellington even though it meant leaving him by himself.
He lost his wife and son in a matter of minutes.
Lost everyone from the ski lodge.
He was blinded/ beaten unconscious for Clem.
He is from the original group. Was close with lee in my play through.
Was gonna sacrifice himself saving Christa/Ben.
Jane just can't compare.
She abandoned her sister.
Had no intentions on saving Sarah.
Was wanting to rob Arvo
She left the group in the middle of the night.
She left AJ in an abandoned car in the snow while zombies could. Have easily found him just so she could try to make a point and pick a fight with kenny.
Kenny is irrational sometimes and went overboard with arvo but he would take a bullet for Clem. Even if you hate kenny it still makes more sense to go to Wellington with him and staying at Wellington instead of leaving with him. That way Clem/AJ can be safe and not walking through a herd or in a old home improvement store with someone who probably wouldn't have Clem's best interest at heart. Just an opinion.
Jane said "i spy an asshole" which would naturally cause a reaction and that was before Kenny said no one liked her/abandons people etc. Also before Kenny says the "hurtful" thing to Jane, in response to whatever Clem said, he said "I couldn't see the damn road", Jane then responds "i bet you're having a lot of trouble seeing these days", another thing that didn't make the situation better. I know what Kenny was saying didn't help but she was just as bad
(on the Jane taunting him about his dead family - she did that after he said how no-one loves/loved her and she abandons people, which is obviously just as hurtful to say to Jane.)
How'd you know she didn't mean it? He interrupted her before she even got the sentence out. And I'm talking about before Arvo shot Clementine. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe if Kenny had eased up on Arvo before, he wouldn't of shot Clementine?
An apology doesn't matter if you don't actually mean it. Arvo shot Clem after I tried to get Kenny to ease up on him so no I didn't forget, … moreI just don't care. I have no doubt Kenny would have been fine with Jane dying, except he didn't go into action until after she had already tried to leave him, and made him think she had killed AJ.
I'm not saying Kenny was worse than Jane. They're both to blame. But maybe Jane wouldn't of brought up Kenny's family if he didn't start arguing with her in the truck.
NoHatClem
Then she called him an asshole after he left the truck. Not exactly an apology she would have meant either. They were as bad as each other arguing in the car and we all know it
Everyone in the apocalypse has grief, some such as Clementine more so than Kenny, and lack of trust is a symptom, not a cause, of his rudeness and temper.
I think you make some good counterpoints too, and I see either opinion on the whole Jane or Kenny situation. I see how someone could choose Kenny over Jane, but I can't. I respect your opinion about Kenny.
(recopying and pasting my comment that i replied to someone else here to give my side of the discussion) kenny fought jane cause she said sh… moree got the baby and didnt give two shits (even though she didnt ACTUALLY kill the baby) she knew doing that would provoke him and she knew what he would do yet told clementine "hur dur didnt know he was gonna go that far" and basically doesnt apologize to clementine for making her kill someone she knew. she felt no real remorse for her action and basically is an overall bitch who decided to go back to an undefended base with shit all food to last them long enough. when wellington did actually exist and was safe as shit. meanwhile kenny felt huge remorse for killing jane and wanted clementine to forgive him for going too far. and at the end they found wellington and then he sacrificed his safety so clementine and AJ could be safe inside solid walls. kenny wasnt trying to be creepy he just wanted the baby to… [view original content]
And when i speak negatively about Jane its usually when other people are bashing Kenny in defence of her but I don't think everything is bad about her. In fact there is something likeable about almost every character in season 1 and 2
Everyone in the apocalypse has grief, some such as Clementine more so than Kenny, and lack of trust is a symptom, not a cause, of his rudeness and temper.
Everyone in the apocalypse has grief, some such as Clementine more so than Kenny, and lack of trust is a symptom, not a cause, of his rudeness and temper.
How'd you know she didn't mean it? He interrupted her before she even got the sentence out. And I'm talking about before Arvo shot Clementin… moree. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe if Kenny had eased up on Arvo before, he wouldn't of shot Clementine?
Also I don't hate Jane and I know she has a good side too, such as when she comes back at the beginning of ep5. It's just that Kenny haters try to make her look like an angel while making him sound evil, which is completely unfair.
When i said he goes with you regardless i was referring to after the boat had gone, apologies if that wasn't clear but ive played the game enough times to know what i mean.
The second he was let out of the shed, he could have immediately left before the herd had arrived. I hadn't forgotten at all.!When in the attic he could have said im splitting up when we get out of here but he didn't, he said "lets go get that little girl". So he does end up going with you which was my point.
When he left Shawn to die he was looking out for his kid, anyone would have tended to their son or daughter first. I actually didn't like that he left Shawn but Kenny regretted it afterwards, he felt deeply saddened on the train referring back to the incident.
With Larry, you know, the same guy who left Lee to die in the drugstore? We never ever know for certain if he's dead or alive. Telltale reiterated this several times. What if he was dead and no one did anything and allowed him to turn? I didn't like how it went down with Larry but i know if i was trapped in a room with a guy who could potentially turn, I wouldn't take the risk and you can think what you like about my opinion coz it doesn't bother me and that's that.
Dropping Ben from the bell tower was Lee's call, Kenny wanted him to drop him because the kid was responsible for his family's death, he was angry, of course he was, you would feel exactly the same way. Kenny does the right thing for Ben in the end anyway so he makes up for how he treated him.
Leaving Lilly on the side of the road? This woman shot Carley point blank in the face or tried to shoot Ben and killed Doug. Are you ok with that? I wasn't at the time.
It doesn't matter what you say because this is why we have choices. Fine you hate him and thats ok but i will never agree with you on this lol. I see Kenny differently to you so please respect that instead of attacking me for my opinion and implying i am wrong and you are right because neither of us are and that's why we have opinions.
Its funny because he still goes with you in the end regardless.
No he doesn't. If you didn't do everything he asks he will be like "… moreyou weren't there for me why would I be there for you now?" and then you have the option to convince him, tell him to fuck of or tell him that you need him (which results in him not going with you).
Afer the boat's gone why didn't he just leave soon after? He could easily have done so but he didn't because i think deep down it was more about him getting back at Lee for his past actions.
Huuum, you forgot about the part where a herd of walkers come and ends up forcing them to go to the attic where they are stuck? So yeah he was forced into the house alongside everyone else.
Selfish yeah maybe but i never had those problems with him and that's why we have choices so there shouldn't be any debate about it really. He's either your friend or he's not depending how you play.
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Jane said "i spy an asshole" and insulted him by saying "i bet you're having trouble seeing a lot these days" before the argument got out of hand. That's how i see it.
I'm not saying Kenny was worse than Jane. They're both to blame. But maybe Jane wouldn't of brought up Kenny's family if he didn't start arguing with her in the truck.
How'd you know she didn't mean it? He interrupted her before she even got the sentence out. And I'm talking about before Arvo shot Clementin… moree. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe if Kenny had eased up on Arvo before, he wouldn't of shot Clementine?
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It's all kicked off again with the Kenny stuff again. I hope that his critics would try and give him a break in the future so the same stuff doesn't get repeated over and over again (which a lot of us are guilty of to some degree when it comes to Kenny discussion).
He had his controversial moments, but in terms of entertainment was easily one of the best characters in the game for me. Makes me cringe when I see people saying characters like Luke and Omid were better characters. Neither could have or would ever have the potential to drive the game like he did. The only way characters like Luke were better than Kenny is morally.
"Kenny I'm-"...forget about that? And it's not like Kenny didn't want Jane to die either. Did you not forget Kenny also wanted to leave Arvo to freeze to death too?
P.S. You tell any American over 40 that a baby is missing, and they're going to freak/be on high alert.
"I had to do it Clem, you saw how he reacted, I had to show you what he was capable of" NO, Jane YOU SHOWED US WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF! YA TWISTED uppetty &*(& %^&%!!!!
An apology doesn't matter if you don't actually mean it. Arvo shot Clem after I tried to get Kenny to ease up on him so no I didn't forget, I just don't care. I have no doubt Kenny would have been fine with Jane dying, except he didn't go into action until after she had already tried to leave him, and made him think she had killed AJ.
Its funny because he still goes with you in the end regardless. Afer the boat's gone why didn't he just leave soon after? He could easily have done so but he didn't because i think deep down it was more about him getting back at Lee for his past actions. Selfish yeah maybe but i never had those problems with him and that's why we have choices so there shouldn't be any debate about it really. He's either your friend or he's not depending how you play
He is and yet most people "on this site" choose to ignore the good side of him and point out his faults. It's a shame
NoHatClem
Then she called him an asshole after he left the truck. Not exactly an apology she would have meant either. They were as bad as each other arguing in the car and we all know it
here is my source
nah seriously kenny fought jane cause she killed the baby and didnt give two shits (even though she didnt ACTUALLY kill the baby) she knew doing that would provoke him and she knew what he would do yet told clementine "hur dur didnt know he was gonna go that far" and basically doesnt apologize to clementine for making her kill someone she knew. she felt no remorse for her action and basically is an overall bitch who decided to go back to an undefended base with shit all food to last them long enough. when wellington did actually exist and was safe as shit. meanwhile kenny felt huge remorse for killing jane and at the end they found wellington and then he sacrificed his safety so clementine and AJ could be safe inside solid walls. sorry but nothing will change my mind about jane. wish they gave me the option to shoot jane xD
(recopying and pasting my comment that i replied to someone else here to give my side of the discussion) kenny fought jane cause she said she got the baby and didnt give two shits (even though she didnt ACTUALLY kill the baby) she knew doing that would provoke him and she knew what he would do yet told clementine "hur dur didnt know he was gonna go that far" and basically doesnt apologize to clementine for making her kill someone she knew. she felt no real remorse for her action and basically is an overall bitch who decided to go back to an undefended base with shit all food to last them long enough. when wellington did actually exist and was safe as shit. meanwhile kenny felt huge remorse for killing jane and wanted clementine to forgive him for going too far. and at the end they found wellington and then he sacrificed his safety so clementine and AJ could be safe inside solid walls. kenny wasnt trying to be creepy he just wanted the baby to be safe. he saw his own wife kill herself and her son sick as fuck get shot in the head. and then a skinny zombified child killed. and then his own girlfriend bleed out or turn. he was happy to finally see something good and wanted to protect it. jane wanted to leave it behind if things got hard. i did think kenny shouldve been at least trying to see if she was fucking with him and didnt kill the baby but then again its the zombie apocalypse their in a blizzard and we all knew she didnt like the baby at all in fact even i wouldve killed her if she did shit like that after i tried to protect the kid so fuckin hard. and arvo was a little cunt. he didnt care if my group died. even though i let him have the medical supplies. fuck that guy. i was glad kenny beat the shit out of him. and kenny was a dick to people cause he lost basically everything his family and then his girlfriend and all he had left was clementine and AJ so he did what he had to, to protect them. i heard a saying. a man with nothing to lose is quite dangerous. but a man with something left to save is far more dangerous. so he didnt want jane to get away with killing the baby and possibly even leaving clementine to her death if clementine was ever surrounded by a horde of zombies. kenny wouldve fought through that horde getting bit to the shit if it meant saving clementine. so good luck trying to convince me that jane was the good guy. though i do see a few valid points. like one or two xD
He has enough fans to point out his good qualities.
kenny is a major character. of course he'd get more scenes. to make it more emotional.
kenny fo wellington leader 2016
And most of his fans do the opposite; to ignore the bad sides and point out his virtues - that's how it works.
(on the Jane taunting him about his dead family - she did that after he said how no-one loves/loved her and she abandons people, which is obviously just as hurtful to say to Jane.)
he has a temper sure. but its for good reason :P
That is going to be somewhat difficult considering he never gets in lol
As a character I liked Jane and as I replayed the game, I realised that she along with Kenny is one of the best characters in the game. However I too often question if the situation is as black and white as "Kenny was crazy and Jane done what she did to prove a point and make Clementine see it". Some of it could have been jealousy because Clementine might have respected and liked Kenny a bit more than herself and she wanted him out of the way. Kenny might have attacked her, not purely because he was a raging loon, but because his instincts about Jane made him think that there was some kind of foul play and it wasn't just an accident, which was somewhat proven to be correct.
Normally I try not to get involved in Kenny vs Jane thing, but I do think that both behaved inappropriately before and during the fight.
What reason?
No he doesn't. If you didn't do everything he asks he will be like "you weren't there for me why would I be there for you now?" and then you have the option to convince him, tell him to fuck of or tell him that you need him (which results in him not going with you).
Huuum, you forgot about the part where a herd of walkers come and ends up forcing them to go to the attic where they are stuck? So yeah he was forced into the house alongside everyone else.
Lemme correct that: "He's either your friend or not depending if you are or are not his obedient dog." Through the game Kenny only wants you to chose his side and what he wants. "Let that men die and go save my child", "take a person out of my way so I can smash that person's dad's skull", "drop a kid of a bell tower, just because it pleases me", "leave that woman on the road to be eaten by walkers" and so on and so forth. Kenny's definition of "friendship" towards Lee is based on if you've been trying to save who he wants and to murder who he wants as well.
Grief and lack of trust to strangers. That's my opinion anyway
Not on these forums KCohere lol. Not anymore at least
Flog61 I try not to look at the negatives in people. Sure i see the bad side in Kenny but i can't hate him like other people do
Yes, its hard to trust people this far into the apocalypse, i think i'd be the same. I think Sarita said it best when talking of Walter and Matthew "it's so dangerous to be this kind". Don't trust anyone unless you knew them before or just as the apocalypse was happening because so many people are too far gone now
Why do people hate kenny so much?
Jane just can't compare.
Kenny is irrational sometimes and went overboard with arvo but he would take a bullet for Clem. Even if you hate kenny it still makes more sense to go to Wellington with him and staying at Wellington instead of leaving with him. That way Clem/AJ can be safe and not walking through a herd or in a old home improvement store with someone who probably wouldn't have Clem's best interest at heart. Just an opinion.
Flog61
Jane said "i spy an asshole" which would naturally cause a reaction and that was before Kenny said no one liked her/abandons people etc. Also before Kenny says the "hurtful" thing to Jane, in response to whatever Clem said, he said "I couldn't see the damn road", Jane then responds "i bet you're having a lot of trouble seeing these days", another thing that didn't make the situation better. I know what Kenny was saying didn't help but she was just as bad
How'd you know she didn't mean it? He interrupted her before she even got the sentence out. And I'm talking about before Arvo shot Clementine. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe if Kenny had eased up on Arvo before, he wouldn't of shot Clementine?
I'm not saying Kenny was worse than Jane. They're both to blame. But maybe Jane wouldn't of brought up Kenny's family if he didn't start arguing with her in the truck.
Everyone in the apocalypse has grief, some such as Clementine more so than Kenny, and lack of trust is a symptom, not a cause, of his rudeness and temper.
You're most eager to look at the negatives in characters who aren't Kenny though, like Jane. If that's your philosophy why is it not universal?
I think you make some good counterpoints too, and I see either opinion on the whole Jane or Kenny situation. I see how someone could choose Kenny over Jane, but I can't. I respect your opinion about Kenny.
Well...aren't you the same about Jane? Are there any negatives about Jane in your opinion?
And when i speak negatively about Jane its usually when other people are bashing Kenny in defence of her but I don't think everything is bad about her. In fact there is something likeable about almost every character in season 1 and 2
I said that's my opinion Flog61. It's not right or wrong
And i know Kenny is no angel when it comes to his temper but those things i mentioned are related to it and has only got worse...my opinion
I will never understand shooting an eleven year old girl because an old guy was being a dick
Also I don't hate Jane and I know she has a good side too, such as when she comes back at the beginning of ep5. It's just that Kenny haters try to make her look like an angel while making him sound evil, which is completely unfair.
Ironwoodlover
When i said he goes with you regardless i was referring to after the boat had gone, apologies if that wasn't clear but ive played the game enough times to know what i mean.
The second he was let out of the shed, he could have immediately left before the herd had arrived. I hadn't forgotten at all.!When in the attic he could have said im splitting up when we get out of here but he didn't, he said "lets go get that little girl". So he does end up going with you which was my point.
When he left Shawn to die he was looking out for his kid, anyone would have tended to their son or daughter first. I actually didn't like that he left Shawn but Kenny regretted it afterwards, he felt deeply saddened on the train referring back to the incident.
With Larry, you know, the same guy who left Lee to die in the drugstore? We never ever know for certain if he's dead or alive. Telltale reiterated this several times. What if he was dead and no one did anything and allowed him to turn? I didn't like how it went down with Larry but i know if i was trapped in a room with a guy who could potentially turn, I wouldn't take the risk and you can think what you like about my opinion coz it doesn't bother me and that's that.
Dropping Ben from the bell tower was Lee's call, Kenny wanted him to drop him because the kid was responsible for his family's death, he was angry, of course he was, you would feel exactly the same way. Kenny does the right thing for Ben in the end anyway so he makes up for how he treated him.
Leaving Lilly on the side of the road? This woman shot Carley point blank in the face or tried to shoot Ben and killed Doug. Are you ok with that? I wasn't at the time.
It doesn't matter what you say because this is why we have choices. Fine you hate him and thats ok but i will never agree with you on this lol. I see Kenny differently to you so please respect that instead of attacking me for my opinion and implying i am wrong and you are right because neither of us are and that's why we have opinions.
Jane said "i spy an asshole" and insulted him by saying "i bet you're having trouble seeing a lot these days" before the argument got out of hand. That's how i see it.
NoHatClem
But then you could argue that he shot Clem because he thinks she killed her sister and didn't realise she had already turned