I can understand Kenny in this situation more so if Sarita was killed or turned, but in the scenario where Sarita is only bit, in my perspective it's less of an excuse. They had no problem slowing down or looking back, even when she shouted for them when they were in close proximity, that was my problem with the scenario, the Walker did separate them but they were still in close proximity when that happened.
Oh no, your logic is spot on, I wouldn't blame Kenny for not wanting to break the ice, but he had no problem chasing Arvo down when he ran away, he doesn't even do anything to get Clementine warm, he just goes straight to punishing Arvo for trying to escape.
I know that, which is why I said Clementine and Luke. It was probably bad writing, to be honest I felt like Episode 5 was good but not that great in terms of writing/continuity, I mean they didn't even go to the Town they originally planned to in Episode 4, instead they go with Arvo to his house? But in this case, even if it was bad writing it doesn't change the fact that AJ was on the ground crying, how no one else but Clementine or Luke noticed him I don't know, I mean Bonnie or Mike(forgot who got shot) basically runs right past crying AJ.
I think some of the group members would've died, or at the very least one, but we only get 2 injuries for the group, one of which gets extra treatment because it's Luke, the other gunshot wound that Bonnie or Mike had is practically ignored for the entirety of the episode. I think Episode 5 should've started where Episode 4 left off. How is it that an entire group manages to survive, Natasha is the only one dead at the beginning of the gunfight(How? What happened? Who shot Buricko and Bonnie or Mike? Why didn't anyone but Clementine and Luke see AJ who was crying only several feet away from them? I hope Season 3 has better writing
Oh ok, its just you only mentioned that Kenny left her in the herd so i thought i'd mention that Mike did (and as you said Sarita determinan… moret). I guess anger is no excuse to leave her but i imagine being so destroyed inside at something that has broken your heart again could do something like that but Im sure in other circumstances he wouldn't have left her, besides i think Clem was running with them but then walkers got in the way and couldn't keep up with them?
Another reason Kenny maybe wouldn't have gone onto the ice to save Clem is because the ice was already cracking and if he had gone to help they may have all fallen in but i imagine people will disagree with my logic here but hey, it's an opinion right?
Luke actually says something like "shit i didn't even see him there" if you rescued AJ and didn't duck for cover first. Yeah others should have noticed AJ though but would have been too busy protecting themselves. I think AJ bein… [view original content]
It's just that I see many more Kenny hate threads lately rather than Jane's. As I said, it gets annoying when the same thing is discussed all over again.
I think he tried to do some good things. He usually had good motivations, just they led him to do awful things through misapprehension and m… moreisperception.
I have a question for you now: why do you never ask people hating on Jane or defending Kenny vehemently to do this? Could your perceptions of people who don't like Kenny 'not being objective' in fact be simply because you yourself are being subjectively biased?
Until season three comes out, people are going to be treading the same waters over and over. I dont think it can be helped. And look at it this way, the fact that people talk so much about Kenny must mean he is an interesting character. He's definitely not one to ignore.
It's just that I see many more Kenny hate threads lately rather than Jane's. As I said, it gets annoying when the same thing is discussed all over again.
Until season three comes out, people are going to be treading the same waters over and over. I dont think it can be helped. And look at it t… morehis way, the fact that people talk so much about Kenny must mean he is an interesting character. He's definitely not one to ignore.
Unless if you chopped Sarita's arm off, she begins to turn or Clem can put her down before hand but yeah either way it happens the same way, actually i think you did compare both choices.
I guess in the situation to keep Clem warm, yeah i guess he was more preoccupied with Arvo than Clem's wellbeing but to be fair, Jane was already attending to her as she had been the one carrying her in. Is it possible through choices that Clem doesn't fall in? Or does she no matter what? I've not tried different choices for that scene to find out?
Yeah i was interested in seeing the town they were supposed to go to and was expecting they'd all make it to Wellington there but its like they just decided to write off the whole town idea which i think was a mistake. I agree and hope they write season 3 better
I can understand Kenny in this situation more so if Sarita was killed or turned, but in the scenario where Sarita is only bit, in my perspec… moretive it's less of an excuse. They had no problem slowing down or looking back, even when she shouted for them when they were in close proximity, that was my problem with the scenario, the Walker did separate them but they were still in close proximity when that happened.
Oh no, your logic is spot on, I wouldn't blame Kenny for not wanting to break the ice, but he had no problem chasing Arvo down when he ran away, he doesn't even do anything to get Clementine warm, he just goes straight to punishing Arvo for trying to escape.
I know that, which is why I said Clementine and Luke. It was probably bad writing, to be honest I felt like Episode 5 was good but not that great in terms of writing/continuity, I mean they didn't even go to the Town they originally planned to in Episode 4, instead they go with … [view original content]
Yeah the Sarita scenario ends in a pretty similar way, I wonder why Kenny and Mike never tried to cut Sarita's arm off as soon as they left the herd, I guess she might not have wanted to?
Yeah, if you choose to cover Bonnie when she goes to try and save Luke, Clementine won't fall in so long as you don't try to save Luke and Bonnie, which is a bit sad imo, but Jane does start the fire regardless, in that scenario I'm less upset that Kenny didn't try to get a fire going whilst Jane was running across the ice with Clementine after he saw her fall in, sorry, I just wanted to see Kenny choose Clementine over his anger of someone else
I wanted to see the Town as well, I actually thought that Arvo's group would take them to the Town... I mean... seriously? Why build shelter across a frozen lake instead of settling in at a town that already has buildings in good shape and possibly more supplies... :c I hope Season 3 is the best Season
Unless if you chopped Sarita's arm off, she begins to turn or Clem can put her down before hand but yeah either way it happens the same way,… more actually i think you did compare both choices.
I guess in the situation to keep Clem warm, yeah i guess he was more preoccupied with Arvo than Clem's wellbeing but to be fair, Jane was already attending to her as she had been the one carrying her in. Is it possible through choices that Clem doesn't fall in? Or does she no matter what? I've not tried different choices for that scene to find out?
Yeah i was interested in seeing the town they were supposed to go to and was expecting they'd all make it to Wellington there but its like they just decided to write off the whole town idea which i think was a mistake. I agree and hope they write season 3 better
I actually think the reason people hate Kenny is opinion. Everyone just has different views about his character. I dislike him, not for any … moreof this, but for his poorly written character and his irrational leap into bad situations, which is the same reason I hate Carol on the show. However, some of the things Kenny says are great, he has some good moments. The reason people hate Kenny might be what you listed above, but it's an entire host of other things that people have formulated about him. AKA, an opinion of Kenny. Seriously, this whole "Kenny/Jane" war is just ridiculous. It's ALL opinion. Not fact. Do we really need to make it the highlight of the forums for the second year in a row?
No .. No .. No ...
People hate Kenny because he was shoved down our throat in season 2.
Now People hate Kenny is an opinion
he was shoved down our throat in season 2 is a fact
Considering her plan was a result of relatively poor writing for the sake of no wrong ending, there's really no right or wrong answer. Those who wanted to distance themselves from Kenny, before episode 5, really had no choice but to go through that plan.
If season 3 can somehow make it feel like season 1 again with more hubs, larger areas to explore, at least 2hr episodes again, A LOT more character interaction and development including characters who can (depending on choices) can like your or not similar to the way Lilly and Kenny were. Also our choices to "feel" like they matter, the slightest thing to make all the difference, when a "character will remember that" moment, to actually refer back to the moment he or she remembered it. Season 1 put so much effort into things like this.
Yeah the Sarita scenario ends in a pretty similar way, I wonder why Kenny and Mike never tried to cut Sarita's arm off as soon as they left … morethe herd, I guess she might not have wanted to?
Yeah, if you choose to cover Bonnie when she goes to try and save Luke, Clementine won't fall in so long as you don't try to save Luke and Bonnie, which is a bit sad imo, but Jane does start the fire regardless, in that scenario I'm less upset that Kenny didn't try to get a fire going whilst Jane was running across the ice with Clementine after he saw her fall in, sorry, I just wanted to see Kenny choose Clementine over his anger of someone else
I wanted to see the Town as well, I actually thought that Arvo's group would take them to the Town... I mean... seriously? Why build shelter across a frozen lake instead of settling in at a town that already has buildings in good shape and possibly more supplies... :c I hope Season 3 is the best Season
I was agreeing with you, up until you said everything was Jane's fault. She gave Kenny plenty of chances to leave. She put her knife down, s… morehe literally told him to "just go". Not to mention he didn't even give her a chance to speak from the beginning. I don't know if we played the same game or not but Kenny was the one that started hating Jane out of nowhere.
How in the name of all that is unholy, is a violent unstable sociopath like Kenny now the third most popular character after Lee and Clement… moreine?
He was a monster, he was dangerous, he only ever caused trouble, and right when the group needed to stay together he went berserk over some baby he barely knew (what did he expect, for the helpless infant to actually survive?) and losing all common sense the man tore the last of the cabin group apart. Sure Jane is also to blame, but Kenny receives too much love.
Boo hoo, he lost his wife and child, then latches on to Clementine and Sarita to fill the void, then is suddenly very close to Alvin and Rebecca when we see them have a practically non-existent relationship on-screen and then his world revolves around their baby after they die, whom he names after a guy he barely even knew, and we're supposed to buy this as being genuine?
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Kenny was the best part of season 2. He was in the wrong but I couldn't bring myself to side with the others. He was basically family to Clem at that point, would you shoot your dad or a brother if they were trying to kill someone? Even if you thought they were in the wrong? Some would but most would't be able to do it. If it was anyone else trying to stab Jane I would of shot.
I enjoyed his return in episode 2 greatly. The plots of other characters were interesting, but not as interesting as learning how Kenny escaped Savannah his new dynamic with Clem IMO. I liked the new group and all but... Kenny is Kenny
Well, Kenny was one of my favorite characters in the first season, however, season two is something else. Just like most people here said. A… morefter second episode we became Kenny's moral support and it doesn't matter if you hate him or don't want to talk to him or help him. He stole all the character development from the characters that were with Clem through the season. We don't even know Mike's story, how are 400 days cast doing in Howe's, did Carver raped Rebecca or did she had an affair, who's George etc, etc. As much as I hate to say it, I would have liked better if Kenny died in the alleyway or saving Christa rather than fighting some ableist woman who caused the shootout and dying because he was shot because Jane toyed with his broken mind. Don't get me wrong, I love Kenny, but I don't like how he instantly became deuteragonist the second he appeared on screen.
For me the game was at it's very boringest before Kenny showed up. With the group hiding from Carver and just walking around not doing much. No one really standing out until Kenny's entrance into the story upped the stakes and injected some spice and drama into the storyline.
I enjoyed his return in episode 2 greatly. The plots of other characters were interesting, but not as interesting as learning how Kenny escaped Savannah his new dynamic with Clem IMO. I liked the new group and all but... Kenny is Kenny
Yes! I honestly love Hubs, they're good areas where you can actually get to know more about the characters if you want to, which I think knowing more about characters should have the ability to unlock special interactions with them and perhaps determine how they talk to you more I'd also like more exploration and longer episodes, perhaps even some more improved game-play like we've been getting with the latest games. In terms of choices feeling like they matter, I think that ultimately depends on the person, some people might never feel choices matter simply because it's a video game whilst others think differently, personally I think all choices are important in a sense, or at least personal to me since I'm given the option to choose I'd also like to see characters bringing up what they remember, what's the point in having X will remember if they die in the next second for example? Or what's the point in displaying that a character remembers specific choices you make if they never bring it up or mention it? I mean to be honest, I'd prefer characters mentioning my decisions and especially talking about their perspective and what they would've done in that situation over just a facial expression and notification that leads to virtually nothing :x
If season 3 can somehow make it feel like season 1 again with more hubs, larger areas to explore, at least 2hr episodes again, A LOT more ch… morearacter interaction and development including characters who can (depending on choices) can like your or not similar to the way Lilly and Kenny were. Also our choices to "feel" like they matter, the slightest thing to make all the difference, when a "character will remember that" moment, to actually refer back to the moment he or she remembered it. Season 1 put so much effort into things like this.
I prefer Kenny for a number of reasons.
Firstly he is a link to Season One and Lee.
Secondly, he has Clementine and AJs best interests at heart.
Yes he made mistakes, but nobody's perfect.
Thirdly, Jane did have her own agenda and used Clementine for her own ends.
With Kenny you know where you stand. If you are friends, then you are family and he will back you all the way, including taking a savage beating.
However, betray him and/or hurt his family and he will hunt you down and use either a salt lick, or his crow bar.
Try as I might, I can't imagine Jane standing by Clementine like Kenny has.
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Kenny was loyal to Lee. Oh, he talks big, he really has a way with words when it suits him, but he constantly put or left Lee and Clem in harms way in the first season and no matter how much the writers of this game try to get players to like him, I never will.
He is completely and utterly selfish. Everything has to be exactly his way or he bitches and moans the whole time. He didn't deserve his place in season 2. There was no way he got out of there alive when he had to shoot Ben. And he did not forgive Ben, when he talks about it in season 2 he basically says it was a mistake that he tried to save Ben. His treatment of Clem after the whole Sarita thing was the stupidest shit. I did it both ways and he gets ridiculously angry in each. His behaviour with Arvo was disgusting and his attachment with Rebecca and the baby was unhealthy and disturbing.
But on the subject of unhealthy relationships, Jane's obsession with Clem is a little unnerving also. Sure, she's trying to help her stay alive and I guess sees her as the little sister she had to give up, but her decision with the baby was a little ridiculous. I'm not happy with any of the endings.
My preferred ending was getting to the camp and leaving Kenny but I hate the fact that I had to choose to let Jane be killed. I wish you could kill Kenny, leave Jane and still get to the camp.
However, for me personally, the ending would have been much simpler if Luke was a choice, but that would have been too easy, haha.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Kenny is a douche and hopefully is written out of any future storylines.
Well thats fine what you said but i disagree with you on Kenny. Besides, it's down to the players choice. If you side with Kenny in season 1, hes good to you but if you don't he doesn't, same thing with Lilly. Yes he can be hard to like, he can fly off the handle if someone disagrees with him, his temper was out of control, he even says (determinant) in episode 5 season 2 that he can be a real shit sometimes. He apologised to Clem over the Sarita thing. It doesn't make it right how he treated her no, but in my opinion deep down he's a good guy, his heart/intentions were always in the right place but just can't control his temper, he can actually be nice when he is calm you know!
I'm a Kenny fan and always will be, its fine you don't like him though. Other people are always going to view him differently and that's the incredible thing Telltale did in writing this character. Love him or hate him. I hope they make another character in the futre that will be talked endlessly about
I agree with a lot of your points. Only thing is I chose to stay with Jane. In spite of her crazy plan with the baby, she was the one who rushed to save Clem from freezing to death. I appreciated that. But yeah, I feel how you do when people say Kenny was so loyal to Lee. Yes, he saved Lee's life at the end of episode one and from then on my Lee was loyal to him. But it was just too one-sided. Always agree with me Lee, get my back Lee, Im counting on you Lee, and when I didnt do or say what he wanted, like not killing for him, he would just about cuss me out.
The thing with Ben too, I was proud of Kenny for putting aside his differences with Ben to try to save him. I thought he redeemed himself. Then in season two, he went back to trash talking Ben. What happened?
I dont think he ever did anything for my Lee after that first episode.
Jane was right near Clem and was the only one that could have realistically saved Clem from the freezing water.
And Kenny called Ben a fuckin shitbird in season 2 when talking about him yes but the thing is, I wouldn't say he was trash talking about him, he didn't insult him with any malice. I think that he did forgive Ben by the end of season 1 but still thought of him as the "shitbird" he was after everything. It must be hard to truly forgive someone who ends up getting your whole family killed.
Kenny did enough for my Lee to consider him a friend despite his strong personality. It's all about the players/fans perspective
I agree with a lot of your points. Only thing is I chose to stay with Jane. In spite of her crazy plan with the baby, she was the one who ru… moreshed to save Clem from freezing to death. I appreciated that. But yeah, I feel how you do when people say Kenny was so loyal to Lee. Yes, he saved Lee's life at the end of episode one and from then on my Lee was loyal to him. But it was just too one-sided. Always agree with me Lee, get my back Lee, Im counting on you Lee, and when I didnt do or say what he wanted, like not killing for him, he would just about cuss me out.
The thing with Ben too, I was proud of Kenny for putting aside his differences with Ben to try to save him. I thought he redeemed himself. Then in season two, he went back to trash talking Ben. What happened?
I dont think he ever did anything for my Lee after that first episode.
I always thought that Kenny calling Ben a shitbird in S2 was out of endearment.
Also, I disagreed with Kenny on alot things throughout S1, but he still came with me to save Clem and then died (or at least seemed to) for the boy who got his family killed so you're damn right I had his back in S2.
Understand, this is not a quick assessment. I stuck with Kenny through a lot. Even after his hateful speech at the end of the season, I was willing to forgive him. I said he was redeemed some after he sacrificed himself for Ben. But for reasons I can barely understand, the character just p, imo, spiraled way out of control in season two. He did so many things there were abhorrent to me that I couldnt stand by him anymore. Dan, I understand that you like the guy and feel loyal to him so you want to defend him, I totally get it. He just lost me. I cant deal with someone who beats up a crippled, helpless kid, no matter what he did.
On that note, it will be very interesting to see if the next season will have characters that are comparable, that can create so much drama and controvery, or elicit so much hatred or loyalty.
Jane was right near Clem and was the only one that could have realistically saved Clem from the freezing water.
And Kenny called Ben a fu… moreckin shitbird in season 2 when talking about him yes but the thing is, I wouldn't say he was trash talking about him, he didn't insult him with any malice. I think that he did forgive Ben by the end of season 1 but still thought of him as the "shitbird" he was after everything. It must be hard to truly forgive someone who ends up getting your whole family killed.
Kenny did enough for my Lee to consider him a friend despite his strong personality. It's all about the players/fans perspective
Thats the thing KCohere (sorry don't know your name!), we all like or hate him and thats why TTG gave us the choices and for us to make up our minds on him and any other character. I just felt that despite all his faults, his arrogance towards people and his act before you think attitude among other things,i feel as though deep down he's a good guy who means well but needs help! I couldn't kill him partly due to his season 1 longevity. But not just that though, I feel as though if someone you consider a friend or family is unstable you don't just put them down, you try to help that person get through their troubles the best you can, even if it means putting yourself in possible danger with him (because everything in that world is dangerous). Loyalty is very important to me so yes your right about me there lol. I know season 3 will not involve Kenny much or even at all but i'm with the guy to the very end and that's my Clementine's decision/journey
Exactly right. In my perpsective, he sucks, lol.
Understand, this is not a quick assessment. I stuck with Kenny through a lot. Even after… more his hateful speech at the end of the season, I was willing to forgive him. I said he was redeemed some after he sacrificed himself for Ben. But for reasons I can barely understand, the character just p, imo, spiraled way out of control in season two. He did so many things there were abhorrent to me that I couldnt stand by him anymore. Dan, I understand that you like the guy and feel loyal to him so you want to defend him, I totally get it. He just lost me. I cant deal with someone who beats up a crippled, helpless kid, no matter what he did.
On that note, it will be very interesting to see if the next season will have characters that are comparable, that can create so much drama and controvery, or elicit so much hatred or loyalty.
I dont hate him... i kinda take pitty on him.
He's just like a regular person who saw his wife and child die infront of him... who had to kill numerous people, who had to cut of peoples limbs etc....
He gets to be a little bitter in my book...
I actually think the reason people hate Kenny is opinion. Everyone just has different views about his character. I dislike him, not for any … moreof this, but for his poorly written character and his irrational leap into bad situations, which is the same reason I hate Carol on the show. However, some of the things Kenny says are great, he has some good moments. The reason people hate Kenny might be what you listed above, but it's an entire host of other things that people have formulated about him. AKA, an opinion of Kenny. Seriously, this whole "Kenny/Jane" war is just ridiculous. It's ALL opinion. Not fact. Do we really need to make it the highlight of the forums for the second year in a row?
No .. No .. No ...
People hate Kenny because he was shoved down our throat in season 2.
Now People hate Kenny is an opinion
he was shoved down our throat in season 2 is a fact
I couldn't imagine not playing the story with originals in it. (So Kenny will always be my choice from now on) It will be interesting how the third season is going to go though for sure.
I never hated Kenny of course the guy is a little insane he lost his son and wife at the same time then he lost his friend Lee , and to top it all off he lost his girlfriend , but you know what he knows how to survive and I would back him up anyday that's why I said screw Wellington and left with Kenny
I don't think it's at the same level either, but I could understand why someone could see Lee being a (potentially substantial) loss for Kenny. Lee's basically the only other person that has been there since the beginning, one of the only remaining members of the original group, and about the only remaining person that really understands what he's gone through/is going through, since he has been there through just about every hardship both the group and Kenny himself has faced, including the loss of his family, as well as the fact that Lee also lost his entire family in one fell swoop. Even if you had a rough relationship with him and weren't exactly friends, I like to think there was some level of mutual understanding between the two of them by the end of it all, enough that both of them could ultimately feel saddened/impacted by the death of one another.
Losing your friend obviously isn't the same as losing your wife and kid, but yeah i'm sure he would have been upset by Lee's death if they were friends, or ok with each other. Even if they hated each other, there could be some sadness or regret given everything the group had been through together.
I don't think it's at the same level either, but I could understand why someone could see Lee being a (potentially substantial) loss for Ken… moreny. Lee's basically the only other person that has been there since the beginning, one of the only remaining members of the original group, and about the only remaining person that really understands what he's gone through/is going through, since he has been there through just about every hardship both the group and Kenny himself has faced, including the loss of his family, as well as the fact that Lee also lost his entire family in one fell swoop. Even if you had a rough relationship with him and weren't exactly friends, I like to think there was some level of mutual understanding between the two of them by the end of it all, enough that both of them could ultimately feel saddened/impacted by the death of one another.
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I can understand Kenny in this situation more so if Sarita was killed or turned, but in the scenario where Sarita is only bit, in my perspective it's less of an excuse. They had no problem slowing down or looking back, even when she shouted for them when they were in close proximity, that was my problem with the scenario, the Walker did separate them but they were still in close proximity when that happened.
Oh no, your logic is spot on, I wouldn't blame Kenny for not wanting to break the ice, but he had no problem chasing Arvo down when he ran away, he doesn't even do anything to get Clementine warm, he just goes straight to punishing Arvo for trying to escape.
I know that, which is why I said Clementine and Luke. It was probably bad writing, to be honest I felt like Episode 5 was good but not that great in terms of writing/continuity, I mean they didn't even go to the Town they originally planned to in Episode 4, instead they go with Arvo to his house? But in this case, even if it was bad writing it doesn't change the fact that AJ was on the ground crying, how no one else but Clementine or Luke noticed him I don't know, I mean Bonnie or Mike(forgot who got shot) basically runs right past crying AJ.
I think some of the group members would've died, or at the very least one, but we only get 2 injuries for the group, one of which gets extra treatment because it's Luke, the other gunshot wound that Bonnie or Mike had is practically ignored for the entirety of the episode. I think Episode 5 should've started where Episode 4 left off. How is it that an entire group manages to survive, Natasha is the only one dead at the beginning of the gunfight(How? What happened? Who shot Buricko and Bonnie or Mike? Why didn't anyone but Clementine and Luke see AJ who was crying only several feet away from them? I hope Season 3 has better writing![:\](https://community.telltale.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
It's just that I see many more Kenny hate threads lately rather than Jane's. As I said, it gets annoying when the same thing is discussed all over again.
Until season three comes out, people are going to be treading the same waters over and over. I dont think it can be helped. And look at it this way, the fact that people talk so much about Kenny must mean he is an interesting character. He's definitely not one to ignore.
True that.
Why did you say that?
Unless if you chopped Sarita's arm off, she begins to turn or Clem can put her down before hand but yeah either way it happens the same way, actually i think you did compare both choices.
I guess in the situation to keep Clem warm, yeah i guess he was more preoccupied with Arvo than Clem's wellbeing but to be fair, Jane was already attending to her as she had been the one carrying her in. Is it possible through choices that Clem doesn't fall in? Or does she no matter what? I've not tried different choices for that scene to find out?
Yeah i was interested in seeing the town they were supposed to go to and was expecting they'd all make it to Wellington there but its like they just decided to write off the whole town idea which i think was a mistake. I agree and hope they write season 3 better
Yeah the Sarita scenario ends in a pretty similar way, I wonder why Kenny and Mike never tried to cut Sarita's arm off as soon as they left the herd, I guess she might not have wanted to?
Yeah, if you choose to cover Bonnie when she goes to try and save Luke, Clementine won't fall in so long as you don't try to save Luke and Bonnie, which is a bit sad imo, but Jane does start the fire regardless, in that scenario I'm less upset that Kenny didn't try to get a fire going whilst Jane was running across the ice with Clementine after he saw her fall in, sorry, I just wanted to see Kenny choose Clementine over his anger of someone else![:\](https://community.telltale.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
I wanted to see the Town as well, I actually thought that Arvo's group would take them to the Town... I mean... seriously? Why build shelter across a frozen lake instead of settling in at a town that already has buildings in good shape and possibly more supplies... :c I hope Season 3 is the best Season
No .. No .. No ...
People hate Kenny because he was shoved down our throat in season 2.
Now People hate Kenny is an opinion
he was shoved down our throat in season 2 is a fact
I never said him being shoved down our throats wasn't a fact. That actually wasn't my point, like, at all.
Considering her plan was a result of relatively poor writing for the sake of no wrong ending, there's really no right or wrong answer. Those who wanted to distance themselves from Kenny, before episode 5, really had no choice but to go through that plan.
oh. Very well. I misunderstood
It's all good. Everyone misunderstands stuff. I do it more often than I should.
If season 3 can somehow make it feel like season 1 again with more hubs, larger areas to explore, at least 2hr episodes again, A LOT more character interaction and development including characters who can (depending on choices) can like your or not similar to the way Lilly and Kenny were. Also our choices to "feel" like they matter, the slightest thing to make all the difference, when a "character will remember that" moment, to actually refer back to the moment he or she remembered it. Season 1 put so much effort into things like this.
Well why didn't jane go either? Clem can tell her to run and she wouldn't lol
I yawned at your post sorry
My point all along was that the both share the fault. They both could've avoided the fight. But neither were willing to do that.
Kenny was the best part of season 2. He was in the wrong but I couldn't bring myself to side with the others. He was basically family to Clem at that point, would you shoot your dad or a brother if they were trying to kill someone? Even if you thought they were in the wrong? Some would but most would't be able to do it. If it was anyone else trying to stab Jane I would of shot.
I enjoyed his return in episode 2 greatly. The plots of other characters were interesting, but not as interesting as learning how Kenny escaped Savannah his new dynamic with Clem IMO. I liked the new group and all but... Kenny is Kenny
For me the game was at it's very boringest before Kenny showed up. With the group hiding from Carver and just walking around not doing much. No one really standing out until Kenny's entrance into the story upped the stakes and injected some spice and drama into the storyline.
Are there much people that liked Jane AND Kenny?
I was a fan of both so the ending for me wasn't Jane vs Kenny but the certainty of Howes vs the hope of Wellington
Yes! I honestly love Hubs, they're good areas where you can actually get to know more about the characters if you want to, which I think knowing more about characters should have the ability to unlock special interactions with them and perhaps determine how they talk to you more
I'd also like more exploration and longer episodes, perhaps even some more improved game-play like we've been getting with the latest games. In terms of choices feeling like they matter, I think that ultimately depends on the person, some people might never feel choices matter simply because it's a video game whilst others think differently, personally I think all choices are important in a sense, or at least personal to me since I'm given the option to choose 
I'd also like to see characters bringing up what they remember, what's the point in having X will remember if they die in the next second for example? Or what's the point in displaying that a character remembers specific choices you make if they never bring it up or mention it? I mean to be honest, I'd prefer characters mentioning my decisions and especially talking about their perspective and what they would've done in that situation over just a facial expression and notification that leads to virtually nothing :x
I prefer Kenny for a number of reasons.
Firstly he is a link to Season One and Lee.
Secondly, he has Clementine and AJs best interests at heart.
Yes he made mistakes, but nobody's perfect.
Thirdly, Jane did have her own agenda and used Clementine for her own ends.
With Kenny you know where you stand. If you are friends, then you are family and he will back you all the way, including taking a savage beating.
However, betray him and/or hurt his family and he will hunt you down and use either a salt lick, or his crow bar.
Try as I might, I can't imagine Jane standing by Clementine like Kenny has.
I don't understand how anyone thinks that Kenny was loyal to Lee. Oh, he talks big, he really has a way with words when it suits him, but he constantly put or left Lee and Clem in harms way in the first season and no matter how much the writers of this game try to get players to like him, I never will.
He is completely and utterly selfish. Everything has to be exactly his way or he bitches and moans the whole time. He didn't deserve his place in season 2. There was no way he got out of there alive when he had to shoot Ben. And he did not forgive Ben, when he talks about it in season 2 he basically says it was a mistake that he tried to save Ben. His treatment of Clem after the whole Sarita thing was the stupidest shit. I did it both ways and he gets ridiculously angry in each. His behaviour with Arvo was disgusting and his attachment with Rebecca and the baby was unhealthy and disturbing.
But on the subject of unhealthy relationships, Jane's obsession with Clem is a little unnerving also. Sure, she's trying to help her stay alive and I guess sees her as the little sister she had to give up, but her decision with the baby was a little ridiculous. I'm not happy with any of the endings.
My preferred ending was getting to the camp and leaving Kenny but I hate the fact that I had to choose to let Jane be killed. I wish you could kill Kenny, leave Jane and still get to the camp.
However, for me personally, the ending would have been much simpler if Luke was a choice, but that would have been too easy, haha.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Kenny is a douche and hopefully is written out of any future storylines.
Well thats fine what you said but i disagree with you on Kenny. Besides, it's down to the players choice. If you side with Kenny in season 1, hes good to you but if you don't he doesn't, same thing with Lilly. Yes he can be hard to like, he can fly off the handle if someone disagrees with him, his temper was out of control, he even says (determinant) in episode 5 season 2 that he can be a real shit sometimes. He apologised to Clem over the Sarita thing. It doesn't make it right how he treated her no, but in my opinion deep down he's a good guy, his heart/intentions were always in the right place but just can't control his temper, he can actually be nice when he is calm you know!
I'm a Kenny fan and always will be, its fine you don't like him though. Other people are always going to view him differently and that's the incredible thing Telltale did in writing this character. Love him or hate him. I hope they make another character in the futre that will be talked endlessly about
I agree with a lot of your points. Only thing is I chose to stay with Jane. In spite of her crazy plan with the baby, she was the one who rushed to save Clem from freezing to death. I appreciated that. But yeah, I feel how you do when people say Kenny was so loyal to Lee. Yes, he saved Lee's life at the end of episode one and from then on my Lee was loyal to him. But it was just too one-sided. Always agree with me Lee, get my back Lee, Im counting on you Lee, and when I didnt do or say what he wanted, like not killing for him, he would just about cuss me out.
The thing with Ben too, I was proud of Kenny for putting aside his differences with Ben to try to save him. I thought he redeemed himself. Then in season two, he went back to trash talking Ben. What happened?
I dont think he ever did anything for my Lee after that first episode.
Jane was right near Clem and was the only one that could have realistically saved Clem from the freezing water.
And Kenny called Ben a fuckin shitbird in season 2 when talking about him yes but the thing is, I wouldn't say he was trash talking about him, he didn't insult him with any malice. I think that he did forgive Ben by the end of season 1 but still thought of him as the "shitbird" he was after everything. It must be hard to truly forgive someone who ends up getting your whole family killed.
Kenny did enough for my Lee to consider him a friend despite his strong personality. It's all about the players/fans perspective
I always thought that Kenny calling Ben a shitbird in S2 was out of endearment.
Also, I disagreed with Kenny on alot things throughout S1, but he still came with me to save Clem and then died (or at least seemed to) for the boy who got his family killed so you're damn right I had his back in S2.
Exactly right. In my perpsective, he sucks, lol.
Understand, this is not a quick assessment. I stuck with Kenny through a lot. Even after his hateful speech at the end of the season, I was willing to forgive him. I said he was redeemed some after he sacrificed himself for Ben. But for reasons I can barely understand, the character just p, imo, spiraled way out of control in season two. He did so many things there were abhorrent to me that I couldnt stand by him anymore. Dan, I understand that you like the guy and feel loyal to him so you want to defend him, I totally get it. He just lost me. I cant deal with someone who beats up a crippled, helpless kid, no matter what he did.
On that note, it will be very interesting to see if the next season will have characters that are comparable, that can create so much drama and controvery, or elicit so much hatred or loyalty.
Thats the thing KCohere (sorry don't know your name!), we all like or hate him and thats why TTG gave us the choices and for us to make up our minds on him and any other character. I just felt that despite all his faults, his arrogance towards people and his act before you think attitude among other things,i feel as though deep down he's a good guy who means well but needs help! I couldn't kill him partly due to his season 1 longevity. But not just that though, I feel as though if someone you consider a friend or family is unstable you don't just put them down, you try to help that person get through their troubles the best you can, even if it means putting yourself in possible danger with him (because everything in that world is dangerous). Loyalty is very important to me so yes your right about me there lol. I know season 3 will not involve Kenny much or even at all but i'm with the guy to the very end and that's my Clementine's decision/journey
I dont hate him... i kinda take pitty on him.
He's just like a regular person who saw his wife and child die infront of him... who had to kill numerous people, who had to cut of peoples limbs etc....
He gets to be a little bitter in my book...
Darn you hate Carol? Shes the most developed character on the show! Love her
I'd be so interested to see if you would have reacted the same way if it was Omid/Christa or another S1 character "shoved" down our throats as you say
Yeah, there's just something about her that I just hate in Season 6.
I couldn't imagine not playing the story with originals in it. (So Kenny will always be my choice from now on) It will be interesting how the third season is going to go though for sure.
I never hated Kenny of course the guy is a little insane he lost his son and wife at the same time then he lost his friend Lee , and to top it all off he lost his girlfriend , but you know what he knows how to survive and I would back him up anyday that's why I said screw Wellington and left with Kenny
Im not sure I would put Lee in the same category of caring as his family and girlfriend.
I don't think it's at the same level either, but I could understand why someone could see Lee being a (potentially substantial) loss for Kenny. Lee's basically the only other person that has been there since the beginning, one of the only remaining members of the original group, and about the only remaining person that really understands what he's gone through/is going through, since he has been there through just about every hardship both the group and Kenny himself has faced, including the loss of his family, as well as the fact that Lee also lost his entire family in one fell swoop. Even if you had a rough relationship with him and weren't exactly friends, I like to think there was some level of mutual understanding between the two of them by the end of it all, enough that both of them could ultimately feel saddened/impacted by the death of one another.
Losing your friend obviously isn't the same as losing your wife and kid, but yeah i'm sure he would have been upset by Lee's death if they were friends, or ok with each other. Even if they hated each other, there could be some sadness or regret given everything the group had been through together.
Personally never really liked Kenny since season 1
I really dont hate kenny but i am tired for him this is a reason i kill kenny and i left with Jane on the end of season 2