I never got the notion that he killed himself, nor that he even really wanted to die in that scene. The way I interpreted that scene was that he didn't stay behind in that alley to die, he stayed behind because he wanted to save Ben. As in, actually get him off of the railing and back to safety. He only shot Ben when he realized that it was impossible to save him. It goes right with his personality and nature; stubborn to the end. He refused to leave Ben behind, only mercy-killing him when he realized that there was truly no way he was getting out of that situation. I mean come on, why else does he decide to try to fight back the approaching walkers, yelling for them to get back, and then shoots Ben at the last available second? Did he want to make sure his sacrificial altar was nice and clean or something?
It never added up to me that he wanted to kill himself there, but more of him realizing "I can't just leave someone to die after giving that whole spiel about helping the people you care about 2 minutes ago", hence the "Me and my fucking mouth" comment he makes just before he goes down
Seriously, that would've literally been an amazing ending for Kenny.
Kenny committing suicide after failing to save his family, and ends the suffering of the kid who got his family killed.
I never got the notion that he killed himself, nor that he even really wanted to die in that scene. The way I interpreted that scene was tha… moret he didn't stay behind in that alley to die, he stayed behind because he wanted to save Ben. As in, actually get him off of the railing and back to safety. He only shot Ben when he realized that it was impossible to save him. It goes right with his personality and nature; stubborn to the end. He refused to leave Ben behind, only mercy-killing him when he realized that there was truly no way he was getting out of that situation. I mean come on, why else does he decide to try to fight back the approaching walkers, yelling for them to get back, and then shoots Ben at the last available second? Did he want to make sure his sacrificial altar was nice and clean or something?
It never added up to me that he wanted to kill himself there, but more of him realizing "I can't just leave someone to die after givin… [view original content]
Yup. You know what I often see together?
"I'm a very forgiving and empathetic person; that's why I forgive and empathize with Kenny when … morea lot of others don't. [one second later] But fuck Arvo, Jane, Bonnie, and Mike. They don't deserve forgiveness or empathy. Kenny is worthy of redemption, and can be forgiven, but any other character? No fucking way."
You'd think if people were so "forgiving" and "empathetic" that they'd be able to see the perspective of all characters, and that they'd be able to forgive any character. But they're not really "forgiving" or "empathetic;" they're just biased towards Kenny.
I think the main reason he became so popular is a 'follow the leader' type thing on the forums, at least. He had a cult following and people posted incessantly about him and receive loads of likes - people saw this and followed it, and thus it grew.
The best evidence for this is that Kenny fans edited the wiki to say more people sided with Kenny in the choices section - lots of them are insecure about choosing the most popular character.
The only reason why Kenny is so popular is because of his facial hair/macho guy persona. That's why. He tries to lead 99.999% of the time, and has a long beard. The rest, people don't care.
I don't think it's right to speak for other people, especially specifically those who dislike Kenny's character or only seem to, people can dislike Kenny's character whilst still wanting Clementine to be able to do things like disagree with him or kill/harm certain characters they dislike, it doesn't necessarily mean wanting Clementine to act like Kenny's character, it sounds like you're making Kenny the icon of destruction/violence in my opinion.
How about instead of admitting your opinion of how both characters are dangers to Clementine, we all admit that everyone has different opinions on both characters and that whether they are a danger to Clementine is entirely dependent on perspective and opinion?
Can we just admit that both Jane and Kenny were completely off their fucking rocker and are both a horrible danger to Clementine?
We got … moreMolly wanna be over here, antagonizing the mentally disturbed man and convincing him that you got a baby killed, that he JUST got really attached to,and starting to help him calm down, just so she can prove a point to the fucking 11 year old...
And we got Big Boss over there who can't keep his freaking temper in check, and is lashing out and punching Russian Harry Potter (whether or not he deserved it is a whole different story) and acting like the opinion of this 11 year old is paramount to how everyone else feels.
Well i'm a Kenny fan and i'm not insecure about choosing popular characters or whatever. I liked him because I found him to be one of the most interesting characters in both games and was offering a lot of entertainment in both games. I don't really care much that his behaviour wasn't always morally correct. I play the game by choosing the options in what I think make for the most interesting storyline rather than just choosing the morally right option all the time. Probably has something to do with why I never really had much problems with Kenny.
I think the main reason he became so popular is a 'follow the leader' type thing on the forums, at least. He had a cult following and people… more posted incessantly about him and receive loads of likes - people saw this and followed it, and thus it grew.
The best evidence for this is that Kenny fans edited the wiki to say more people sided with Kenny in the choices section - lots of them are insecure about choosing the most popular character.
In all honesty, regarding the stats thing, there is most definitely weird stuff going on with them. I saw an xbox one playthrough fairly recently, the the results for shooting Kenny were 50/50, if not 60/40 in favor of not shooting Kenny. In fact, a lot of the choices on current-gen playthroughs are quite different from the stats on PC/360/PS3/etc, and for whatever reason, a lot of them are closer to the original stats from when episodes first released: for example, the choice of leaving with Mike was a about a 75/25 split when the episode was first released, but settled closer to a 95/5 split a few weeks later.
I think people made the assumption that the stats off of the current-gen consoles were 'updated' statistics, and edited the pages accordingly. And while that might be the case, there's no way to confirm that outside of someone from Telltale mentioning it. And chances are, they don't want to make mention of how the stats system works, probably to keep it from being abused or skewered by the more... technically-inclined members of the community, so to speak?
I really don't think this situation is the result of some biased, insecure fans (not that I'd rule it out. Avoiding bias on an unofficial wiki isn't the easiest task)
I think the main reason he became so popular is a 'follow the leader' type thing on the forums, at least. He had a cult following and people… more posted incessantly about him and receive loads of likes - people saw this and followed it, and thus it grew.
The best evidence for this is that Kenny fans edited the wiki to say more people sided with Kenny in the choices section - lots of them are insecure about choosing the most popular character.
Just not to bash him just out of hate or exploit his flaws and forget about his virtues. Not blame him for everything every now and then, or even invent bad stuff about him. Many people bring him onto a thread just to bash him or set him as a bad example, and that's completely subjective. When that stuff happens regularly, it becomes annoying (lately, the majority of the threads are about him, and mostly are negative threads). I really appreciate an objective opinion.
Yup. You know what I often see together?
"I'm a very forgiving and empathetic person; that's why I forgive and empathize with Kenny when … morea lot of others don't. [one second later] But fuck Arvo, Jane, Bonnie, and Mike. They don't deserve forgiveness or empathy. Kenny is worthy of redemption, and can be forgiven, but any other character? No fucking way."
You'd think if people were so "forgiving" and "empathetic" that they'd be able to see the perspective of all characters, and that they'd be able to forgive any character. But they're not really "forgiving" or "empathetic;" they're just biased towards Kenny.
I think the main reason he became so popular is a 'follow the leader' type thing on the forums, at least. He had a cult following and people… more posted incessantly about him and receive loads of likes - people saw this and followed it, and thus it grew.
The best evidence for this is that Kenny fans edited the wiki to say more people sided with Kenny in the choices section - lots of them are insecure about choosing the most popular character.
Your opinion and doesn't it make right or wrong but i disagree and i liked that he was brought back for S2. My Lee and Kenny were good friends, i had no issues with him at all. Disagreed at times but never hated him. And why do you think Clem was more hateful towards Jane than Kenny if you shot him? Because Clem has known Jane for what 3 days? Shes known Kenny longer, she obviously felt an attachment to him whether you like it or not because that's just how it is. Sorry.
Kenny will make a comeback in season 3 if our ending choices matter even if its for 10 minutes lol.
For me, Kenny would've been perfect in my eyes if he had stayed dead in season 1 as it was intended.
I mean seriously, Kenny commits suic… moreide, or sacrifices his life for Christa, after failing to protect his family. That was a perfect ending for him. Making peace
and dying along with the kid that got his family killed. That was perfect. But, they just had to ruin it
Season 1 is the story of Lee Everett guiding Clementine through the Zombie Apocalypse
Season 2 is Clementine, looking out for her mentally ill friend... who's relationship with him is completely based on your choices in season 1.
Kenny was shoved down's people throat in season 2. Others accepted it, others, like me, threw it back up. Jane didn't need to make that questionable plan to convince me. I was already convinced! There's really no option for people who were already opposed to Kenny. We were forced to partake in that horrible plan of Jane just so she could have… [view original content]
Seriously, that would've literally been an amazing ending for Kenny.
Kenny committing suicide after failing to save his family, and ends the suffering of the kid who got his family killed.
Part of what I said was an opinion, but a lot of it were facts. It's very obvious that season 2 was heavily biased towards Kenny. My facts are stated above.
Your opinion and doesn't it make right or wrong but i disagree and i liked that he was brought back for S2. My Lee and Kenny were good frien… moreds, i had no issues with him at all. Disagreed at times but never hated him. And why do you think Clem was more hateful towards Jane than Kenny if you shot him? Because Clem has known Jane for what 3 days? Shes known Kenny longer, she obviously felt an attachment to him whether you like it or not because that's just how it is. Sorry.
Kenny will make a comeback in season 3 if our ending choices matter even if its for 10 minutes lol.
The hate in season 1 was very mild. I was very annoyed at some of his tactics but I felt incredibly bad because of his family. So I suppressed my feelings. Season 2, I just wanted him to die.
Thats about how I felt. Season 1, I was just getting increasingly annoyed with him, but he was still my (Lee's) friend. It wasnt until season two that I was just done.
The hate in season 1 was very mild. I was very annoyed at some of his tactics but I felt incredibly bad because of his family. So I suppressed my feelings. Season 2, I just wanted him to die.
I somewhat agree with this. I'm not saying ALL Kenny fans are annoying. But the ones I've come across get on my nerves. YouTube is a perfect example of where to find blind Kenny fans.
How in the name of all that is unholy, is a violent unstable sociopath like Kenny now the third most popular character after Lee and Clementine?
He was a monster, he was dangerous, he only ever caused trouble, and right when the group needed to stay together he went berserk over some baby he barely knew (what did he expect, for the helpless infant to actually survive?) and losing all common sense the man tore the last of the cabin group apart. Sure Jane is also to blame, but Kenny receives too much love.
Boo hoo, he lost his wife and child, then latches on to Clementine and Sarita to fill the void, then is suddenly very close to Alvin and Rebecca when we see them have a practically non-existent relationship on-screen and then his world revolves around their baby after they die, whom he names after a guy he barely even knew, and we're supposed to buy this as being genuine?
Kenny should have died in Season 1, his character arc had satisfactorily concluded. Instead Telltale disposes of Omid and Christa and we're back with Kenny again...
Thats about how I felt. Season 1, I was just getting increasingly annoyed with him, but he was still my (Lee's) friend. It wasnt until season two that I was just done.
Just not to bash him just out of hate or exploit his flaws and forget about his virtues. Not blame him for everything every now and then, or… more even invent bad stuff about him. Many people bring him onto a thread just to bash him or set him as a bad example, and that's completely subjective. When that stuff happens regularly, it becomes annoying (lately, the majority of the threads are about him, and mostly are negative threads). I really appreciate an objective opinion.
Did they edit the ingame choices as well? 51% didn't shoot Kenny. Did they edit that?
Insecure about choosing the most popular character? Who do you mean?
Let's drop the whole 'Jane fans vs. Kenny fans' thing people. It's not good discussion as it almost always leads to insults and thread derailment. We're here to talk about the characters. Saying stuff like 'Kenny fans are terrible.' or 'Jane fans are evil.' is definitely against the forum guidelines.
A sociopath? What? Sociopath is someone whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal or/and someone who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience. Kenny is none of those things. He's caring, honest and loyal to his friends. He had a family, family that loved him. And when he was forced to watch his famiy die, he didn't give up. He carried on. In the end, he forgave Ben and ended his suffering. He tried to forget, he found new friends, home and eventually a new love. A sociopath could never achieve any of that. Then Carver came and destroyed it all. What, you think Kenny is a monster for killing Carver like that? He deserved what he got.
right when the group needed to stay together he went berserk over some baby he barely knew
The group needed to stay together? You mean Jane, Clem and him? Then why did Jane went out of her way just to tear his fucking heart to pieces? Jane isn't just a little to blame, it's entirely her fucking fault. She knew Kenny would flip, she knew he would try to kill her, she knew he would force Clem to pick her or him. But she did it anyway. Instead of trying to work with Kenny, instead of actually trying to help him, she hid a defensless baby in a fucking car in a fucking snow-storm. The baby that Kenny swore he would raise right, the baby that he swore he would protect to his last breath. And what was it that Jane said? Kenny would never let him go? Oh really? Because in Wellington, he was willing to sacrifice himself so that Clementine and AJ had better life. Maybe that's why people like Kenny. Because he has a fucking heart. Because he is Clementine's last memory of Lee. I'll follow him to the entire end if that's what Telltale will make me do. Kenny is Clementine's family. Kenny was Lee's friend. Kenny is a legend. And most important of all... he's a fucking human being. And not Jane, nor the apocalypse, not Telltale's forums nor Telltale itself will ever convince me otherwise.
How in the name of all that is unholy, is a violent unstable sociopath like Kenny now the third most popular character after Lee and Clement… moreine?
He was a monster, he was dangerous, he only ever caused trouble, and right when the group needed to stay together he went berserk over some baby he barely knew (what did he expect, for the helpless infant to actually survive?) and losing all common sense the man tore the last of the cabin group apart. Sure Jane is also to blame, but Kenny receives too much love.
Boo hoo, he lost his wife and child, then latches on to Clementine and Sarita to fill the void, then is suddenly very close to Alvin and Rebecca when we see them have a practically non-existent relationship on-screen and then his world revolves around their baby after they die, whom he names after a guy he barely even knew, and we're supposed to buy this as being genuine?
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I was agreeing with you, up until you said everything was Jane's fault. She gave Kenny plenty of chances to leave. She put her knife down, she literally told him to "just go". Not to mention he didn't even give her a chance to speak from the beginning. I don't know if we played the same game or not but Kenny was the one that started hating Jane out of nowhere.
A sociopath? What? Sociopath is someone whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal or/and someone who lacks a sense of moral responsibilit… morey or social conscience. Kenny is none of those things. He's caring, honest and loyal to his friends. He had a family, family that loved him. And when he was forced to watch his famiy die, he didn't give up. He carried on. In the end, he forgave Ben and ended his suffering. He tried to forget, he found new friends, home and eventually a new love. A sociopath could never achieve any of that. Then Carver came and destroyed it all. What, you think Kenny is a monster for killing Carver like that? He deserved what he got.
right when the group needed to stay together he went berserk over some baby he barely knew
The group needed to stay together? You mean Jane, Clem and him? Then why did Jane went out of her way just to tear his fucking heart to pieces? Jane isn't just a little to blame, it's enti… [view original content]
But what was the point of that then? Why did she leave AJ there? And what would have happened had Kenny not attacked her? "Oh look, he's in that car over there!" Unless she intentionally wanted AJ to freeze to death, there really isn't a reason for her to hide the baby other than to provoke Kenny.
I was agreeing with you, up until you said everything was Jane's fault. She gave Kenny plenty of chances to leave. She put her knife down, s… morehe literally told him to "just go". Not to mention he didn't even give her a chance to speak from the beginning. I don't know if we played the same game or not but Kenny was the one that started hating Jane out of nowhere.
But what was the point of that then? Why did she leave AJ there? And what would have happened had Kenny not attacked her? "Oh look, he's in … morethat car over there!" Unless she intentionally wanted AJ to freeze to death, there really isn't a reason for her to hide the baby other than to provoke Kenny.
Neither do I, or I should say he eroded it away until it was gone.
I think its perfectly fair to hate a character if they have done things that caused that reaction in you. You dont necessarily have to say, "i hate this guy but he has his good side too." Fans of that character will be more than happy to point out the virtues.
I agree. They both had a part to play in this travesty. Kenny was not the innocent victim of her manipulation and she shouldnt have provoked a man she knew was dangerous.
I just would like people to be more objective towards him, and recognize what he has done good, too. And I myself, being a Kenny fan, don't hate Jane just because. I see her virtues as well as her flaws. I don't like to hate everything that I don't like or bash it just because.
Kenny character is somewhat the most violent character in season 2. Though, people are overlooking the fact that he is a character of redemption, who is trying to make up for the mistakes that he had done in the past, such as losing his wife and not being there for Duck. But want I like about him is that he's a goal driven character: He haves plans for the group in the long run( season 1: Boat and Season 2 Wellington) and is the only person that truly haves Clem's and A.J.'s back. All the other character somewhat just forget that Clem is just 11.( Nick, Bonnie, and Carlos are great examples of this)
Though the one thing I did like about Kenny is that out of the three guardians( Lee, Christa, and Kenny) what does Kenny teach Clem as a guardian? Lee shows her how to shoot a gun in season 1, keep her hair short, and stay in groups(determinant)and Christa shows Clem basic first aid and combat with walker(assumed). But Kenny.... I can't really think of anything right now, maybe the meaning of family but Lee did that.
I don't think it's right to speak for other people, especially specifically those who dislike Kenny's character or only seem to, people can … moredislike Kenny's character whilst still wanting Clementine to be able to do things like disagree with him or kill/harm certain characters they dislike, it doesn't necessarily mean wanting Clementine to act like Kenny's character, it sounds like you're making Kenny the icon of destruction/violence in my opinion.
Well, yeah, in an ideal world everyone would be totally objective. But that's not remotely realistic, and criticising people based on that is very unfair.
Humans are subjective by nature.
I don't like to hate everything that I don't like or bash it just because.
What does that mean? If people hate Kenny, they hate him. They should be allowed to talk about that opinion. Saying they're bashing him 'just because' is very odd - we're all discussing characters on the forum 'just because' - they shouldnt have to justify why they explain their opinions all the time.
I just would like people to be more objective towards him, and recognize what he has done good, too. And I myself, being a Kenny fan, don't … morehate Jane just because. I see her virtues as well as her flaws. I don't like to hate everything that I don't like or bash it just because.
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I never got the notion that he killed himself, nor that he even really wanted to die in that scene. The way I interpreted that scene was that he didn't stay behind in that alley to die, he stayed behind because he wanted to save Ben. As in, actually get him off of the railing and back to safety. He only shot Ben when he realized that it was impossible to save him. It goes right with his personality and nature; stubborn to the end. He refused to leave Ben behind, only mercy-killing him when he realized that there was truly no way he was getting out of that situation. I mean come on, why else does he decide to try to fight back the approaching walkers, yelling for them to get back, and then shoots Ben at the last available second? Did he want to make sure his sacrificial altar was nice and clean or something?
It never added up to me that he wanted to kill himself there, but more of him realizing "I can't just leave someone to die after giving that whole spiel about helping the people you care about 2 minutes ago", hence the "Me and my fucking mouth" comment he makes just before he goes down
I don't know. I always saw it as a suicide because of how hopeless it seemed. But yours make sense. He should've died there lol
Respectful to other forumgoers right? Not to Kenny? :P
Nailed it.
I think the main reason he became so popular is a 'follow the leader' type thing on the forums, at least. He had a cult following and people posted incessantly about him and receive loads of likes - people saw this and followed it, and thus it grew.
The best evidence for this is that Kenny fans edited the wiki to say more people sided with Kenny in the choices section - lots of them are insecure about choosing the most popular character.
I don't think it's right to speak for other people, especially specifically those who dislike Kenny's character or only seem to, people can dislike Kenny's character whilst still wanting Clementine to be able to do things like disagree with him or kill/harm certain characters they dislike, it doesn't necessarily mean wanting Clementine to act like Kenny's character, it sounds like you're making Kenny the icon of destruction/violence in my opinion.
How about instead of admitting your opinion of how both characters are dangers to Clementine, we all admit that everyone has different opinions on both characters and that whether they are a danger to Clementine is entirely dependent on perspective and opinion?
Primarily to other forumgoers, but to both would be better. XD
Well i'm a Kenny fan and i'm not insecure about choosing popular characters or whatever. I liked him because I found him to be one of the most interesting characters in both games and was offering a lot of entertainment in both games. I don't really care much that his behaviour wasn't always morally correct. I play the game by choosing the options in what I think make for the most interesting storyline rather than just choosing the morally right option all the time. Probably has something to do with why I never really had much problems with Kenny.
In all honesty, regarding the stats thing, there is most definitely weird stuff going on with them. I saw an xbox one playthrough fairly recently, the the results for shooting Kenny were 50/50, if not 60/40 in favor of not shooting Kenny. In fact, a lot of the choices on current-gen playthroughs are quite different from the stats on PC/360/PS3/etc, and for whatever reason, a lot of them are closer to the original stats from when episodes first released: for example, the choice of leaving with Mike was a about a 75/25 split when the episode was first released, but settled closer to a 95/5 split a few weeks later.
I think people made the assumption that the stats off of the current-gen consoles were 'updated' statistics, and edited the pages accordingly. And while that might be the case, there's no way to confirm that outside of someone from Telltale mentioning it. And chances are, they don't want to make mention of how the stats system works, probably to keep it from being abused or skewered by the more... technically-inclined members of the community, so to speak?
I really don't think this situation is the result of some biased, insecure fans (not that I'd rule it out. Avoiding bias on an unofficial wiki isn't the easiest task)
Can I ask what you mean about respecting the character?
Just not to bash him just out of hate or exploit his flaws and forget about his virtues. Not blame him for everything every now and then, or even invent bad stuff about him. Many people bring him onto a thread just to bash him or set him as a bad example, and that's completely subjective. When that stuff happens regularly, it becomes annoying (lately, the majority of the threads are about him, and mostly are negative threads). I really appreciate an objective opinion.
And then there are those biased against Kenny and will find everything they can to slate Kenny but won't verbally attack other characters
Did they edit the ingame choices as well? 51% didn't shoot Kenny. Did they edit that?
Insecure about choosing the most popular character? Who do you mean?
Your opinion and doesn't it make right or wrong but i disagree and i liked that he was brought back for S2. My Lee and Kenny were good friends, i had no issues with him at all. Disagreed at times but never hated him. And why do you think Clem was more hateful towards Jane than Kenny if you shot him? Because Clem has known Jane for what 3 days? Shes known Kenny longer, she obviously felt an attachment to him whether you like it or not because that's just how it is. Sorry.
Kenny will make a comeback in season 3 if our ending choices matter
even if its for 10 minutes lol.
You still would have hated him though lol
Part of what I said was an opinion, but a lot of it were facts. It's very obvious that season 2 was heavily biased towards Kenny. My facts are stated above.
The hate in season 1 was very mild. I was very annoyed at some of his tactics but I felt incredibly bad because of his family. So I suppressed my feelings. Season 2, I just wanted him to die.
Thats about how I felt. Season 1, I was just getting increasingly annoyed with him, but he was still my (Lee's) friend. It wasnt until season two that I was just done.
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I somewhat agree with this. I'm not saying ALL Kenny fans are annoying. But the ones I've come across get on my nerves. YouTube is a perfect example of where to find blind Kenny fans.
How in the name of all that is unholy, is a violent unstable sociopath like Kenny now the third most popular character after Lee and Clementine?
He was a monster, he was dangerous, he only ever caused trouble, and right when the group needed to stay together he went berserk over some baby he barely knew (what did he expect, for the helpless infant to actually survive?) and losing all common sense the man tore the last of the cabin group apart. Sure Jane is also to blame, but Kenny receives too much love.
Boo hoo, he lost his wife and child, then latches on to Clementine and Sarita to fill the void, then is suddenly very close to Alvin and Rebecca when we see them have a practically non-existent relationship on-screen and then his world revolves around their baby after they die, whom he names after a guy he barely even knew, and we're supposed to buy this as being genuine?
Kenny should have died in Season 1, his character arc had satisfactorily concluded. Instead Telltale disposes of Omid and Christa and we're back with Kenny again...
I know. -_- There's a point where you just have to revoke the grief pass.
Well I don't particularly think Kenny has earned my respect.
So you want people not to talk about hating him? That seems unfair, it's hardly as if Kenny fans do that about Jane.
Kenny was the most popular character on the forums.
Jane fans're certainly not worse on this forum. Just a reminder that Kenny fans made death threats against Jane fans on this forum.
Let's drop the whole 'Jane fans vs. Kenny fans' thing people. It's not good discussion as it almost always leads to insults and thread derailment. We're here to talk about the characters. Saying stuff like 'Kenny fans are terrible.' or 'Jane fans are evil.' is definitely against the forum guidelines.
Thanks.
A sociopath? What? Sociopath is someone whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal or/and someone who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience. Kenny is none of those things. He's caring, honest and loyal to his friends. He had a family, family that loved him. And when he was forced to watch his famiy die, he didn't give up. He carried on. In the end, he forgave Ben and ended his suffering. He tried to forget, he found new friends, home and eventually a new love. A sociopath could never achieve any of that. Then Carver came and destroyed it all. What, you think Kenny is a monster for killing Carver like that? He deserved what he got.
The group needed to stay together? You mean Jane, Clem and him? Then why did Jane went out of her way just to tear his fucking heart to pieces? Jane isn't just a little to blame, it's entirely her fucking fault. She knew Kenny would flip, she knew he would try to kill her, she knew he would force Clem to pick her or him. But she did it anyway. Instead of trying to work with Kenny, instead of actually trying to help him, she hid a defensless baby in a fucking car in a fucking snow-storm. The baby that Kenny swore he would raise right, the baby that he swore he would protect to his last breath. And what was it that Jane said? Kenny would never let him go? Oh really? Because in Wellington, he was willing to sacrifice himself so that Clementine and AJ had better life. Maybe that's why people like Kenny. Because he has a fucking heart. Because he is Clementine's last memory of Lee. I'll follow him to the entire end if that's what Telltale will make me do. Kenny is Clementine's family. Kenny was Lee's friend. Kenny is a legend. And most important of all... he's a fucking human being. And not Jane, nor the apocalypse, not Telltale's forums nor Telltale itself will ever convince me otherwise.
I was agreeing with you, up until you said everything was Jane's fault. She gave Kenny plenty of chances to leave. She put her knife down, she literally told him to "just go". Not to mention he didn't even give her a chance to speak from the beginning. I don't know if we played the same game or not but Kenny was the one that started hating Jane out of nowhere.
But what was the point of that then? Why did she leave AJ there? And what would have happened had Kenny not attacked her? "Oh look, he's in that car over there!" Unless she intentionally wanted AJ to freeze to death, there really isn't a reason for her to hide the baby other than to provoke Kenny.
I'm not saying Jane was innocent. She played her part. But to blame her ENTIRELY is unfair.
Neither do I, or I should say he eroded it away until it was gone.
I think its perfectly fair to hate a character if they have done things that caused that reaction in you. You dont necessarily have to say, "i hate this guy but he has his good side too." Fans of that character will be more than happy to point out the virtues.
I agree. They both had a part to play in this travesty. Kenny was not the innocent victim of her manipulation and she shouldnt have provoked a man she knew was dangerous.
I just would like people to be more objective towards him, and recognize what he has done good, too. And I myself, being a Kenny fan, don't hate Jane just because. I see her virtues as well as her flaws. I don't like to hate everything that I don't like or bash it just because.
That's okay, but as I said, that's subjective. Try to tell me (objectively) Kenny's virtues.
Kenny character is somewhat the most violent character in season 2. Though, people are overlooking the fact that he is a character of redemption, who is trying to make up for the mistakes that he had done in the past, such as losing his wife and not being there for Duck. But want I like about him is that he's a goal driven character: He haves plans for the group in the long run( season 1: Boat and Season 2 Wellington) and is the only person that truly haves Clem's and A.J.'s back. All the other character somewhat just forget that Clem is just 11.( Nick, Bonnie, and Carlos are great examples of this)
Though the one thing I did like about Kenny is that out of the three guardians( Lee, Christa, and Kenny) what does Kenny teach Clem as a guardian? Lee shows her how to shoot a gun in season 1, keep her hair short, and stay in groups(determinant)and Christa shows Clem basic first aid and combat with walker(assumed). But Kenny.... I can't really think of anything right now, maybe the meaning of family but Lee did that.
I believe that he really did care for his family. How is that?
Well, yeah, in an ideal world everyone would be totally objective. But that's not remotely realistic, and criticising people based on that is very unfair.
Humans are subjective by nature.
What does that mean? If people hate Kenny, they hate him. They should be allowed to talk about that opinion. Saying they're bashing him 'just because' is very odd - we're all discussing characters on the forum 'just because' - they shouldnt have to justify why they explain their opinions all the time.