I think he tried to do some good things. He usually had good motivations, just they led him to do awful things through misapprehension and misperception.
I have a question for you now: why do you never ask people hating on Jane or defending Kenny vehemently to do this? Could your perceptions of people who don't like Kenny 'not being objective' in fact be simply because you yourself are being subjectively biased?
Let's drop the whole 'Jane fans vs. Kenny fans' thing people. It's not good discussion as it almost always leads to insults and thread derai… morelment. We're here to talk about the characters. Saying stuff like 'Kenny fans are terrible.' or 'Jane fans are evil.' is definitely against the forum guidelines.
Thanks.
I actually think the reason people hate Kenny is opinion. Everyone just has different views about his character. I dislike him, not for any of this, but for his poorly written character and his irrational leap into bad situations, which is the same reason I hate Carol on the show. However, some of the things Kenny says are great, he has some good moments. The reason people hate Kenny might be what you listed above, but it's an entire host of other things that people have formulated about him. AKA, an opinion of Kenny. Seriously, this whole "Kenny/Jane" war is just ridiculous. It's ALL opinion. Not fact. Do we really need to make it the highlight of the forums for the second year in a row?
Can we just admit that both Jane and Kenny were completely off their fucking rocker and are both a horrible danger to Clementine?
We got … moreMolly wanna be over here, antagonizing the mentally disturbed man and convincing him that you got a baby killed, that he JUST got really attached to,and starting to help him calm down, just so she can prove a point to the fucking 11 year old...
And we got Big Boss over there who can't keep his freaking temper in check, and is lashing out and punching Russian Harry Potter (whether or not he deserved it is a whole different story) and acting like the opinion of this 11 year old is paramount to how everyone else feels.
I think what he means is for people to not be... well... giant bitches about their opinions is the best way I can put it. We all need to chill and calmly express our opinions, chill out, just like Kenny's corpse did out there in the harsh winters. (I'm so sorry that was awful of me to say.)
Part of what I said was an opinion, but a lot of it were facts. It's very obvious that season 2 was heavily biased towards Kenny. My facts are stated above.
I think in terms of being the most violent character, that's dependent on perspective, I'd say Carver was a more violent character than Kenny to an extent. Perhaps some people are overlooking that perspective(I wouldn't necessarily call it fact that he is a character that's made to show the theme of redemption, since whether a character is 'redeemed' is based on perspective), but I wouldn't say everyone doesn't take that into perspective, also how was it Kenny's mistake that he lost Katjaa and he is there for Duck before he died. Kenny does have plans, but he only focuses on his plans alone, in Season One, he wants to keep the main plan to use a Boat to leave Savannah(even though he doesn't know if there's a Boat they can use in Savannah) and disregards Christa or Lee's own ideas. In Season Two, he wants to go to Wellington(despite not knowing if the place even exists) and disregards Mike and Jane's ideas. I like that Kenny is driven by his goals, but I don't like that he doesn't take other ideas into perspective. In terms of who has Clementine and AJ's back, I completely disagree, Kenny leaves Clementine in the Walker herd at the beginning of Episode 4, whether Clementine chopped Sarita's hand off or not, when Clementine determinantly falls through the ice, Kenny just stands there shouting, and when AJ was on the ground crying at the beginning of Episode 5, only Clementine noticed AJ, no one else except for Luke can notice, but that depends on perspective I guess. I think in a post-apocalyptic world, age is just a number if you know how to survive, the first night she met the Cabin Group, she already stole from them, but you can't say Kenny still treated her as a 12* year old(as The Stranger said she was 11 in Episode 5 of Season One and Season Two is 1 year and 4 months later), in Episode 3, Mike and Luke are the only characters who are shocked at the faith the group put into Clementine despite her only being a child, heck, Kenny pushes Clementine into getting the Radio.
I guess you could say that Clementine learned to smash peoples' heads in from Kenny... aside from that I guess you could say to keep hope? As he was hopeful that Wellington existed(although that was Christa's original plan and Lee is the one that gives Clementine hope for the future).
Kenny character is somewhat the most violent character in season 2. Though, people are overlooking the fact that he is a character of redemp… moretion, who is trying to make up for the mistakes that he had done in the past, such as losing his wife and not being there for Duck. But want I like about him is that he's a goal driven character: He haves plans for the group in the long run( season 1: Boat and Season 2 Wellington) and is the only person that truly haves Clem's and A.J.'s back. All the other character somewhat just forget that Clem is just 11.( Nick, Bonnie, and Carlos are great examples of this)
Though the one thing I did like about Kenny is that out of the three guardians( Lee, Christa, and Kenny) what does Kenny teach Clem as a guardian? Lee shows her how to shoot a gun in season 1, keep her hair short, and stay in groups(determinant)and Christa shows Clem basic first aid and combat with walker(assumed). But Kenny.... I can't really think of anything right now, maybe the meaning of family but Lee did that.
you will have a saddest ending when you choose kenny, man he always sacrifice himself. first season 1, he try to save the talkie and got chased by horde. season 2, he sacrifice himself to make clementine save. hope season 3 kenny appears.
The game is old with not a lot of new material. Every topic started has been discussed to death.. This site right now is basically like a school reunion of people talking about the glory days.
The game is old with not a lot of new material. Every topic started has been discussed to death.. This site right now is basically like a school reunion of people talking about the glory days.
The game is old with not a lot of new material. Every topic started has been discussed to death.. This site right now is basically like a school reunion of people talking about the glory days.
I think in terms of being the most violent character, that's dependent on perspective, I'd say Carver was a more violent character than Kenn… morey to an extent. Perhaps some people are overlooking that perspective(I wouldn't necessarily call it fact that he is a character that's made to show the theme of redemption, since whether a character is 'redeemed' is based on perspective), but I wouldn't say everyone doesn't take that into perspective, also how was it Kenny's mistake that he lost Katjaa and he is there for Duck before he died. Kenny does have plans, but he only focuses on his plans alone, in Season One, he wants to keep the main plan to use a Boat to leave Savannah(even though he doesn't know if there's a Boat they can use in Savannah) and disregards Christa or Lee's own ideas. In Season Two, he wants to go to Wellington(despite not knowing if the place even exists) and disregards Mike and Jane's ideas. I like that Kenny is driven by his g… [view original content]
Oh sorry I thought I got that wrong lol but couldn't she be 10 years old? If she turned 9 around the time Episode 5 happened, then 16 months later would mean she's only become 10 years old.
Oh sorry I thought I got that wrong lol but couldn't she be 10 years old? If she turned 9 around the time Episode 5 happened, then 16 months later would mean she's only become 10 years old.
Jane knew exactly what she was doing. She put her knife down and told Kenny to go because she wanted Clem to see how far gone Kenny was BUT putting the baby in the car was done to enrage Kenny and she used his rage to make it seem like she was the rational one when in reality it was her who set this whole thing up. Jane planned the whole thing to make Kenny look bad. She deserves no sympathy for what she did.
Kenny could've let Jane explain herself. Kenny could've actually acted civil in the car when they were arguing over where to go. Kenny could've stopped the fight once Jane placed her knife in her pocket. Was she stupid for putting the baby in the car? Yes. But they BOTH could've avoided the fight.
Jane knew exactly what she was doing. She put her knife down and told Kenny to go because she wanted Clem to see how far gone Kenny was BUT … moreputting the baby in the car was done to enrage Kenny and she used his rage to make it seem like she was the rational one when in reality it was her who set this whole thing up. Jane planned the whole thing to make Kenny look bad. She deserves no sympathy for what she did.
That's what Jane was afraid of. She wanted to prove a point to Kenny, Clem and herself so she did all she could to stop Kenny from acting civil and walking away. It's clear that Kenny isn't a bad guy, he said himself he respects Lee for his diplomacy and rational behaviour but Kenny's temper often gets the better of him especially when dealing with family. Jane tried to push the scales in her favour to make Kenny look bad.
Kenny could've let Jane explain herself. Kenny could've actually acted civil in the car when they were arguing over where to go. Kenny could… more've stopped the fight once Jane placed her knife in her pocket. Was she stupid for putting the baby in the car? Yes. But they BOTH could've avoided the fight.
Fair enough on all you have said. The thing is, you could also blame Mike for leaving Clem in the herd as well, he didn't exactly stay with her and Kenny was just really angry and didn't think of her wellbeing at that point. When she fell through the ice, yes he didn't come to her aid but you could argue that was because he was staying to make sure Arvo wouldn't get away, plus again Mike didn't help her on the ice either! And as for the baby at the start just lying on the ground, no one noticed her because they were all busy taking cover and shooting at the Russians. I honestly think no one can be blamed for that. I get what your saying though that he didn't have her or AJ's back, but i know he still cares about them and there's no denying that
I think in terms of being the most violent character, that's dependent on perspective, I'd say Carver was a more violent character than Kenn… morey to an extent. Perhaps some people are overlooking that perspective(I wouldn't necessarily call it fact that he is a character that's made to show the theme of redemption, since whether a character is 'redeemed' is based on perspective), but I wouldn't say everyone doesn't take that into perspective, also how was it Kenny's mistake that he lost Katjaa and he is there for Duck before he died. Kenny does have plans, but he only focuses on his plans alone, in Season One, he wants to keep the main plan to use a Boat to leave Savannah(even though he doesn't know if there's a Boat they can use in Savannah) and disregards Christa or Lee's own ideas. In Season Two, he wants to go to Wellington(despite not knowing if the place even exists) and disregards Mike and Jane's ideas. I like that Kenny is driven by his g… [view original content]
She didnt stop him from doing anything. He made his own choices. He was just in a blind rage at that point, and seemingly not interested in making peace.
That's what Jane was afraid of. She wanted to prove a point to Kenny, Clem and herself so she did all she could to stop Kenny from acting ci… morevil and walking away. It's clear that Kenny isn't a bad guy, he said himself he respects Lee for his diplomacy and rational behaviour but Kenny's temper often gets the better of him especially when dealing with family. Jane tried to push the scales in her favour to make Kenny look bad.
Of course I'm blaming Mike, he outright left Clementine in the Walker Herd too, as does Sarita determinantly, none of them even took a second to look back and see if she was following them, she was even yelling, anger is no reason to leave a child in a dangerous situation. No one helped Clementine on the ice, Jane is the reason she lives in that situation, Bonnie and Luke were the unintentional causes of the situation, Luke being the victim, Bonnie being the one who either adds more weight to the ice or pushes Clementine into doing it for her whilst Kenny just stood there to make sure Arvo doesn't escape for some reason(there was really no need for the group to keep Arvo with them at this point, especially after when Kenny says himself that he plans on leaving him) and Mike was holding AJ so at least he has a good excuse, he's caring for a baby. I'm not saying Kenny doesn't care, but the way the fight transpired I find it odd how Clementine and Luke are the only ones who notices AJ crying on the ground close to most of them, I guess you could say they were pre-occupied but the fact that AJ got from Rebecca's arms to somewhere on the ground means someone must've tried to move him, so someone other than Clementine should've realized AJ was on the ground crying. But I understand what you're trying to say, I guess it boils down to perspective.
Fair enough on all you have said. The thing is, you could also blame Mike for leaving Clem in the herd as well, he didn't exactly stay with … moreher and Kenny was just really angry and didn't think of her wellbeing at that point. When she fell through the ice, yes he didn't come to her aid but you could argue that was because he was staying to make sure Arvo wouldn't get away, plus again Mike didn't help her on the ice either! And as for the baby at the start just lying on the ground, no one noticed her because they were all busy taking cover and shooting at the Russians. I honestly think no one can be blamed for that. I get what your saying though that he didn't have her or AJ's back, but i know he still cares about them and there's no denying that
That's what Jane was afraid of. She wanted to prove a point to Kenny, Clem and herself so she did all she could to stop Kenny from acting ci… morevil and walking away. It's clear that Kenny isn't a bad guy, he said himself he respects Lee for his diplomacy and rational behaviour but Kenny's temper often gets the better of him especially when dealing with family. Jane tried to push the scales in her favour to make Kenny look bad.
After a few hours of thinking about this, I guess you're right. Neither of them are mentally stable. It just rubbed me the wrong way how Jane intentionally screwed Kenny over for personal gains, I grew attached to the guy despite his flaws, Kenny was a guy who would always have your back and try with all his might to keep you safe (even though he was a little crap at this).
Oh ok, its just you only mentioned that Kenny left her in the herd so i thought i'd mention that Mike did (and as you said Sarita determinant). I guess anger is no excuse to leave her but i imagine being so destroyed inside at something that has broken your heart again could do something like that but Im sure in other circumstances he wouldn't have left her, besides i think Clem was running with them but then walkers got in the way and couldn't keep up with them?
Another reason Kenny maybe wouldn't have gone onto the ice to save Clem is because the ice was already cracking and if he had gone to help they may have all fallen in but i imagine people will disagree with my logic here but hey, it's an opinion right?
Luke actually says something like "shit i didn't even see him there" if you rescued AJ and didn't duck for cover first. Yeah others should have noticed AJ though but would have been too busy protecting themselves. I think AJ being on the ground away from Rebecca wasn't a result of someone moving him, i actually think it was down to bad writing to be honest. No one would have had time to move him would they?
In my opinion that opening to episode 5 was so stupid because in reality, the moment the first Russian guy fired the gun (after Clem or Kenny shoot Rebecca), all hell broke loose and i honestly feel there would have been no chance the entire group would have survived it. I was betting on Mike and Bonnie being killed in the shootout or a complete bloodbath of deaths leaving Clem left alone. That's what i actually thought at first but then how all the characters had found cover instantly and survived with only a few injuries was madness!
Of course I'm blaming Mike, he outright left Clementine in the Walker Herd too, as does Sarita determinantly, none of them even took a secon… mored to look back and see if she was following them, she was even yelling, anger is no reason to leave a child in a dangerous situation. No one helped Clementine on the ice, Jane is the reason she lives in that situation, Bonnie and Luke were the unintentional causes of the situation, Luke being the victim, Bonnie being the one who either adds more weight to the ice or pushes Clementine into doing it for her whilst Kenny just stood there to make sure Arvo doesn't escape for some reason(there was really no need for the group to keep Arvo with them at this point, especially after when Kenny says himself that he plans on leaving him) and Mike was holding AJ so at least he has a good excuse, he's caring for a baby. I'm not saying Kenny doesn't care, but the way the fight transpired I find it odd how Clementine a… [view original content]
The whole point that ive always said is, that if Jane hadn't deliberately did what she did to get him angry, it is very likely he wouldn't have done what he did. Even though he didn't like or trust Jane, in my opinion all he would have done is been horrible to her just like he was to Clementine when he go angry over Sarita dying. With Arvo in my opinion it was different. Him and his Russian pals threatened him and the group at gun point, tried to rob them. Jane had never been that extreme of a threat and regardless of Arvo seeming harmless, he could have still been a threat to the group and myself in that position would feel the same way as Kenny. That's just my opinion on the matter. No right or wrong answer here
She didnt stop him from doing anything. He made his own choices. He was just in a blind rage at that point, and seemingly not interested in making peace.
Can't find your comment Flog61 where you said Kenny fans made death threats against Jane. I've seen a hell of a lot of people making similar remarks against Kenny on youtube and other forums even saying vile comments to the players that didn't shoot Kenny. Both sets of fans can be assholes
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I think he tried to do some good things. He usually had good motivations, just they led him to do awful things through misapprehension and misperception.
I have a question for you now: why do you never ask people hating on Jane or defending Kenny vehemently to do this? Could your perceptions of people who don't like Kenny 'not being objective' in fact be simply because you yourself are being subjectively biased?
Yes,this thread needs to die.
I actually think the reason people hate Kenny is opinion. Everyone just has different views about his character. I dislike him, not for any of this, but for his poorly written character and his irrational leap into bad situations, which is the same reason I hate Carol on the show. However, some of the things Kenny says are great, he has some good moments. The reason people hate Kenny might be what you listed above, but it's an entire host of other things that people have formulated about him. AKA, an opinion of Kenny. Seriously, this whole "Kenny/Jane" war is just ridiculous. It's ALL opinion. Not fact. Do we really need to make it the highlight of the forums for the second year in a row?
Ikr?
I completely agree with you. That's a great way to describe it.
Sorry, but it's true. Kenny is widely hated by many people on these forums, such as Jane is.
I think what he means is for people to not be... well... giant bitches about their opinions is the best way I can put it. We all need to chill and calmly express our opinions, chill out, just like Kenny's corpse did out there in the harsh winters. (I'm so sorry that was awful of me to say.)
Tbh I like season 1 Kenny better.
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Yes,it does,this will just turn into another toxic war for nothing,and the topic was discussed to death before so..yeah.
Oh well
I don't like either rendition of Kenny,
That's fine....
I think in terms of being the most violent character, that's dependent on perspective, I'd say Carver was a more violent character than Kenny to an extent. Perhaps some people are overlooking that perspective(I wouldn't necessarily call it fact that he is a character that's made to show the theme of redemption, since whether a character is 'redeemed' is based on perspective), but I wouldn't say everyone doesn't take that into perspective, also how was it Kenny's mistake that he lost Katjaa and he is there for Duck before he died. Kenny does have plans, but he only focuses on his plans alone, in Season One, he wants to keep the main plan to use a Boat to leave Savannah(even though he doesn't know if there's a Boat they can use in Savannah) and disregards Christa or Lee's own ideas. In Season Two, he wants to go to Wellington(despite not knowing if the place even exists) and disregards Mike and Jane's ideas. I like that Kenny is driven by his goals, but I don't like that he doesn't take other ideas into perspective. In terms of who has Clementine and AJ's back, I completely disagree, Kenny leaves Clementine in the Walker herd at the beginning of Episode 4, whether Clementine chopped Sarita's hand off or not, when Clementine determinantly falls through the ice, Kenny just stands there shouting, and when AJ was on the ground crying at the beginning of Episode 5, only Clementine noticed AJ, no one else except for Luke can notice, but that depends on perspective I guess. I think in a post-apocalyptic world, age is just a number if you know how to survive, the first night she met the Cabin Group, she already stole from them, but you can't say Kenny still treated her as a 12* year old(as The Stranger said she was 11 in Episode 5 of Season One and Season Two is 1 year and 4 months later), in Episode 3, Mike and Luke are the only characters who are shocked at the faith the group put into Clementine despite her only being a child, heck, Kenny pushes Clementine into getting the Radio.
I guess you could say that Clementine learned to smash peoples' heads in from Kenny... aside from that I guess you could say to keep hope? As he was hopeful that Wellington existed(although that was Christa's original plan and Lee is the one that gives Clementine hope for the future).
you will have a saddest ending when you choose kenny, man he always sacrifice himself. first season 1, he try to save the talkie and got chased by horde. season 2, he sacrifice himself to make clementine save. hope season 3 kenny appears.
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Hey, it's all opinion. Although I don't agree with yours, I respect your opinion and I hope this doesn't start a fight.
The game is old with not a lot of new material. Every topic started has been discussed to death.. This site right now is basically like a school reunion of people talking about the glory days.
I like Jane, but damn that made me laugh XD
I agree.
And fighting over who you like more isn't going to solve anything,fighting over two fictional characters is just childish.
I have to correct you on Clem's age. The Stranger said she was 9, not 11. She's 11 in season Two.
Oh sorry I thought I got that wrong lol but couldn't she be 10 years old? If she turned 9 around the time Episode 5 happened, then 16 months later would mean she's only become 10 years old.
Its closer to two years because when we start season two, Christa is heavily pregnant, 7 or 8 months, and the sixteen months starts after that.
Also, they said she was eleven in-game, if you answer Bonnie when she asks how old Clem is.
Jane knew exactly what she was doing. She put her knife down and told Kenny to go because she wanted Clem to see how far gone Kenny was BUT putting the baby in the car was done to enrage Kenny and she used his rage to make it seem like she was the rational one when in reality it was her who set this whole thing up. Jane planned the whole thing to make Kenny look bad. She deserves no sympathy for what she did.
Kenny could've let Jane explain herself. Kenny could've actually acted civil in the car when they were arguing over where to go. Kenny could've stopped the fight once Jane placed her knife in her pocket. Was she stupid for putting the baby in the car? Yes. But they BOTH could've avoided the fight.
That's what Jane was afraid of. She wanted to prove a point to Kenny, Clem and herself so she did all she could to stop Kenny from acting civil and walking away. It's clear that Kenny isn't a bad guy, he said himself he respects Lee for his diplomacy and rational behaviour but Kenny's temper often gets the better of him especially when dealing with family. Jane tried to push the scales in her favour to make Kenny look bad.
Kenny is awesome. Best ending to Season 2 is with Kenny.
I think there's going to arguments either way but all we can do is respect others and everything should be fine.
Nobody is forcing you to read this. You are choosing to come in here and post. If you find it so childish, why do you keep returning?
Fair enough on all you have said. The thing is, you could also blame Mike for leaving Clem in the herd as well, he didn't exactly stay with her and Kenny was just really angry and didn't think of her wellbeing at that point. When she fell through the ice, yes he didn't come to her aid but you could argue that was because he was staying to make sure Arvo wouldn't get away, plus again Mike didn't help her on the ice either! And as for the baby at the start just lying on the ground, no one noticed her because they were all busy taking cover and shooting at the Russians. I honestly think no one can be blamed for that. I get what your saying though that he didn't have her or AJ's back, but i know he still cares about them and there's no denying that
She didnt stop him from doing anything. He made his own choices. He was just in a blind rage at that point, and seemingly not interested in making peace.
Fine.Do whatever you want ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I think Jane is better than Kenny. She taught Clem how to survive, she saved her and saved Kenny too (At the begining of episode 5)
Of course I'm blaming Mike, he outright left Clementine in the Walker Herd too, as does Sarita determinantly, none of them even took a second to look back and see if she was following them, she was even yelling, anger is no reason to leave a child in a dangerous situation. No one helped Clementine on the ice, Jane is the reason she lives in that situation, Bonnie and Luke were the unintentional causes of the situation, Luke being the victim, Bonnie being the one who either adds more weight to the ice or pushes Clementine into doing it for her whilst Kenny just stood there to make sure Arvo doesn't escape for some reason(there was really no need for the group to keep Arvo with them at this point, especially after when Kenny says himself that he plans on leaving him) and Mike was holding AJ so at least he has a good excuse, he's caring for a baby. I'm not saying Kenny doesn't care, but the way the fight transpired I find it odd how Clementine and Luke are the only ones who notices AJ crying on the ground close to most of them, I guess you could say they were pre-occupied but the fact that AJ got from Rebecca's arms to somewhere on the ground means someone must've tried to move him, so someone other than Clementine should've realized AJ was on the ground crying. But I understand what you're trying to say, I guess it boils down to perspective.
Kenny made himself look bad. As did Jane. They both share the fault.
After a few hours of thinking about this, I guess you're right. Neither of them are mentally stable. It just rubbed me the wrong way how Jane intentionally screwed Kenny over for personal gains, I grew attached to the guy despite his flaws, Kenny was a guy who would always have your back and try with all his might to keep you safe (even though he was a little crap at this).
Oh ok, its just you only mentioned that Kenny left her in the herd so i thought i'd mention that Mike did (and as you said Sarita determinant). I guess anger is no excuse to leave her but i imagine being so destroyed inside at something that has broken your heart again could do something like that but Im sure in other circumstances he wouldn't have left her, besides i think Clem was running with them but then walkers got in the way and couldn't keep up with them?
Another reason Kenny maybe wouldn't have gone onto the ice to save Clem is because the ice was already cracking and if he had gone to help they may have all fallen in but i imagine people will disagree with my logic here but hey, it's an opinion right?
Luke actually says something like "shit i didn't even see him there" if you rescued AJ and didn't duck for cover first. Yeah others should have noticed AJ though but would have been too busy protecting themselves. I think AJ being on the ground away from Rebecca wasn't a result of someone moving him, i actually think it was down to bad writing to be honest. No one would have had time to move him would they?
In my opinion that opening to episode 5 was so stupid because in reality, the moment the first Russian guy fired the gun (after Clem or Kenny shoot Rebecca), all hell broke loose and i honestly feel there would have been no chance the entire group would have survived it. I was betting on Mike and Bonnie being killed in the shootout or a complete bloodbath of deaths leaving Clem left alone. That's what i actually thought at first but then how all the characters had found cover instantly and survived with only a few injuries was madness!
The whole point that ive always said is, that if Jane hadn't deliberately did what she did to get him angry, it is very likely he wouldn't have done what he did. Even though he didn't like or trust Jane, in my opinion all he would have done is been horrible to her just like he was to Clementine when he go angry over Sarita dying. With Arvo in my opinion it was different. Him and his Russian pals threatened him and the group at gun point, tried to rob them. Jane had never been that extreme of a threat and regardless of Arvo seeming harmless, he could have still been a threat to the group and myself in that position would feel the same way as Kenny. That's just my opinion on the matter. No right or wrong answer here
Can't find your comment Flog61 where you said Kenny fans made death threats against Jane. I've seen a hell of a lot of people making similar remarks against Kenny on youtube and other forums even saying vile comments to the players that didn't shoot Kenny. Both sets of fans can be assholes