To be honest Iam more afraid that he betrays them. I imagine him only entering the battlefield when both forces are weakend, just to "crown" himself warden of the north. Chaos is a ladder...
As for the title of warden of the North, it's up to the King to give it.
True, but the North is at the moment (no matter who wins the BoB) de facto independent. Because both Starks and Boltons are traitors to the crown and it seems like the crown really isn't in a state to "fix" the situation. Or rather, Cersei gave LF the task to overthrow Boltons, but we know he isn't loyal to the crown either.
So, in other words, Tommen's power doesn't quite reach to the North at the moment.
Littlefinger doesn't have a claim to the North or Winterfell so it's not going to happen. Or it would be a terrible and unuseful move.
As for the title of warden of the North, it's up to the King to give it.
EDIT: corrected my own mistake.
The title of warden of the North is applying only in the Realm. As for the Bolton traitor, I totally forgot that concerning the series. But from what I remember they don't know they're considered as traitors, no?
As for the title of warden of the North, it's up to the King to give it.
True, but the North is at the moment (no matter who wins th… moree BoB) de facto independent. Because both Starks and Boltons are traitors to the crown and it seems like the crown really isn't in a state to "fix" the situation. Or rather, Cersei gave LF the task to overthrow Boltons, but we know he isn't loyal to the crown either.
So, in other words, Tommen's power doesn't quite reach to the North at the moment.
The title of warden of the North is applying only in the Realm.
Yeah, I thought about mentioning that, but in the end it's just one title or the other. I guess they will go for Sansa as Queen in the North, rather than "wardeness" (like LF said in s5).
But from what I remember they don't know they're considered as traitors, no?
Well, Roose was talking about how they should have the support of the whole North because of the threat of Lannisters. "Reckoning is coming" or something like that So I think they are aware of the situation. Though Ramsay was far less concerned about it than Roose,
The title of warden of the North is applying only in the Realm. As for the Bolton traitor, I totally forgot that concerning the series. But from what I remember they don't know they're considered as traitors, no?
Tbh, bringing Ghost to a battle like this would be quite reckless from Jon, almost like asking for him to die. There are just way too much spears an arrows. I think Ghost is not in the battle - he has been absent in all of the promo material.
All I can say is there are a lot of problems with the battle I've seen so far.
Biggest amongst them is in a picture above. JON, WHY ARE YOU FIGHTING CAVALRY ALONE AND ON FOOT!?
But if you're still reading:
Why is Ramsey's men using pavises in combat? Now, I could be wrong and they're using tower shields, but a pavise is made so you cannot see the man behind it. A tower shield is only large enough to cover a man but leave his head and feet (but not ankles) exposed.
Ramsey's archers are using bodkins against unarmored soldiers. What should be used are barbed so that it'd tear the flesh inside and they cannot be pulled out.
Again, Jon on foot versus cavalry. You're going to die.
We all see how big the field of battle is, so Jon: why are you letting your infantry charge over three hundred yards into archer fire without shields?
Another grievance that the show constantly likes doing: chainmail/plate. Where is it? Why do your men fight in literally the clothes on their backs and a bascinet? Only in tournaments have I seen anyone wearing actual plate. The Lannisters are the exception to this, but seriously. Wear a breastplate for Christ's sakes.
nah... you're wrong, i highly doubt he recognize her, if he did... he would've taken her or something, he would not missed that chance and about rickon stark..... you are wrong there too, at the end all he did was help sansa scape kings landing. You are giving him too much credit.
Well him protecting and shaping Sansa, though he definitely has his agenda she would almost certainly be dead if it weren't for him.
Also… more I'm pretty sure him recognizing Arya and not telling anyone where she was, including Tywin, was not an oversight on his side. He probably didn't know how smart she would prove to be, that might have motivated him to keep Arya in Westeros if he knew.
And I highly doubt he had no knowledge that Rickon was with the Umbers. Whether it's bad writing or not, he still kept some great secrets for the stark family and no matter what his conceived motivations are, he's done the Starks right after the Red Wedding especially.
All I can say is there are a lot of problems with the battle I've seen so far.
Biggest amongst them is in a picture above. JON, WHY ARE Y… moreOU FIGHTING CAVALRY ALONE AND ON FOOT!?
But if you're still reading:
* Why is Ramsey's men using pavises in combat? Now, I could be wrong and they're using tower shields, but a pavise is made so you cannot see the man behind it. A tower shield is only large enough to cover a man but leave his head and feet (but not ankles) exposed.
* Ramsey's archers are using bodkins against unarmored soldiers. What should be used are barbed so that it'd tear the flesh inside and they cannot be pulled out.
* Again, Jon on foot versus cavalry. You're going to die.
* We all see how big the field of battle is, so Jon: why are you letting your infantry charge over three hundred yards into archer fire without shields?
* Another grievance that the show constantly likes doing: chainmail/plate. Where is it? W… [view original content]
I will continue to give LF the benefit of doubt until he goes full Ramsey Snow. The show wants me to not trust him and trust Varys, so I'm a rebel and I do the opposite.
nah... you're wrong, i highly doubt he recognize her, if he did... he would've taken her or something, he would not missed that chance and a… morebout rickon stark..... you are wrong there too, at the end all he did was help sansa scape kings landing. You are giving him too much credit.
All I can say is there are a lot of problems with the battle I've seen so far.
Biggest amongst them is in a picture above. JON, WHY ARE Y… moreOU FIGHTING CAVALRY ALONE AND ON FOOT!?
But if you're still reading:
* Why is Ramsey's men using pavises in combat? Now, I could be wrong and they're using tower shields, but a pavise is made so you cannot see the man behind it. A tower shield is only large enough to cover a man but leave his head and feet (but not ankles) exposed.
* Ramsey's archers are using bodkins against unarmored soldiers. What should be used are barbed so that it'd tear the flesh inside and they cannot be pulled out.
* Again, Jon on foot versus cavalry. You're going to die.
* We all see how big the field of battle is, so Jon: why are you letting your infantry charge over three hundred yards into archer fire without shields?
* Another grievance that the show constantly likes doing: chainmail/plate. Where is it? W… [view original content]
Some of your points are wrong and some others may not be what it looks. And if you wonder why the wildlings fight in their clothes? the answer is more than obvious! they dont have the materials to make armors and the money to buy them, they are poor! they dont have anything! the lannisters are the exception because they are rich and they can afford it, they have the riches to buy good equipment to all their soldiers, so as the tyrells. Besides... when have you seen northern soldiers with armors? wait until the episode airs and then post your opinion.
All I can say is there are a lot of problems with the battle I've seen so far.
Biggest amongst them is in a picture above. JON, WHY ARE Y… moreOU FIGHTING CAVALRY ALONE AND ON FOOT!?
But if you're still reading:
* Why is Ramsey's men using pavises in combat? Now, I could be wrong and they're using tower shields, but a pavise is made so you cannot see the man behind it. A tower shield is only large enough to cover a man but leave his head and feet (but not ankles) exposed.
* Ramsey's archers are using bodkins against unarmored soldiers. What should be used are barbed so that it'd tear the flesh inside and they cannot be pulled out.
* Again, Jon on foot versus cavalry. You're going to die.
* We all see how big the field of battle is, so Jon: why are you letting your infantry charge over three hundred yards into archer fire without shields?
* Another grievance that the show constantly likes doing: chainmail/plate. Where is it? W… [view original content]
He's alone beside his horse in all promo images. So either he's been flanked or he purposely dismounted to face cav on foot.
This is entertainment, not a document of medieval warfare for fuck's sake
Secondly, no need to swear. There is a fine line between the two, yes, but like I said: Wear a breastplate at least. Wildlings I can understand them not having armor, but if you're an army at least supply them with more than a leather armor, bascinets and cuir bouilli.
This is entertainment, not a document of medieval warfare for fuck's sake -.- If you are expecting that, just skip it.
And I very much do… moreubt Jon is in that situation (facing the cavalry on foot) willingly, something has clearly happened that has led to that situation.
A siege takes months. That's food, supplies, equipment and time that Jon would need. Littlefinger's army can come in that time and Ramsey would be facing almost triple the original numbers. Winterfell was already damaged once as well, meaning weak points are easy targets for trebuchets and catapults to hit and, with the repairs we've seen, all it would take is sending over some firepots and Winterfell falls to flame. Ramsey is also brash and impulsive. He'd be too hot-blooded and angry just to sit idle. And as alikir34 said, Jon knows the castle. He can find the sally port and waltz right in, bringing the fight to Ramsey within minutes without so many casualties.
On open field however, while they don't have the defensive capabilities of a castle, they can move and flank. They have the hill which gives them the advantage for the charge against Jon's army and the range of Ramsey's bows is much greater. And, with my reasons above, Ramsey decided on the better course of fighting. Jon's army has no chance on an open field. He simply does not have anything for him. The Wildlings are unpredictable, but they also don't fight large scale battles. We saw them flee at the Wall despite their numbers (though they did a good number on Castle Black). Wun Wun is a HUGE target for archers. He will die within the first few minutes if Ramsey's men aren't already overpowering Jon's men. And with it taking a month for a carriage to arrive from Kings Landing (Season 1, Episode 1) the Vale would take at least two or three weeks. Littlefinger would be too late to help.
I'm sure we're all fairly certain how this battle will go, but I hope they don't make Sansa out to be a hero for deus ex Vale to save the day. Yes, her raven will bring them in after the casualties have been tallied. However, if she'd been forthcoming with Jon at the beginning and sent word to Little Finger sooner... how many more lives would've been spared? The sad truth of it is as much as they've tried to make Sansa a real player in the game.. everytime she's played, she's chosen poorly.
Just as Ice was melted down into two blades, I'm really only hoping for two Starks to be left standing at the end of it all.
I'm no fan of the Lady Stoneheart/UnCat plotline and am glad the show has done it however I just read an article that got me thinking. It predicted that Ramsay would lose Winterfell and flee with a small Bolton force then running into Stoneheart and The Brotherhood who hang them. While it wouldn't be what I want it would still be an.interesting way to introduce her even if it's very late. Any thoughts?
They have not shown Stoneheart yet. At this point, I personally would not feel it. Though if the Frey/Lannister dinner shown in the season trailers is meant as a revenge scene for the Red Wedding, maybe outside Brienne, I don't know who would lead the revenge. And Brienne does not seem so smart.
I'm no fan of the Lady Stoneheart/UnCat plotline and am glad the show has done it however I just read an article that got me thinking. It pr… moreedicted that Ramsay would lose Winterfell and flee with a small Bolton force then running into Stoneheart and The Brotherhood who hang them. While it wouldn't be what I want it would still be an.interesting way to introduce her even if it's very late. Any thoughts?
The way you told that sounds really cliche though. I don't think it will be that simple at all, I mean I am expecting Jon Snow to come through with the win, his resurrection otherwise would've made no sense, but I'm not expecting a half cliche win for them, something will happen seeing as it is Game of Thrones. Or maybe Snow will fucking die, but he will get resurrected again, it's just wont be that simple. Rickon could die, that I can see.
It's going to have the deaths of;
* Rickon Stark - (impaled by arrow of Ramsay) - Ramsay allows Rickon to go to Jon but as he reaches J… moreon, he is killed.
* Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun - (Roped down and stabbed by soldiers) - He will die after striking many soldiers.
* Ghost - (Killed by Ramsay when saving Jon) - Ramsay gains the upper hand and is about to kill Jon when he is bit by Ghost (in a similar fashion to when Nymeria bit Joffrey), but manages to use his blade and strike Ghost.
* Lord Ramsay Bolton - (Killed by Jon after killing Ghost) - Jon enraged manages to subdue Ramsay and takes off his head as Ramsay laughs and taunts him.
* Unnamed soldiers from both parties - (Impaled by swords/arrows, duh..)
i think you should really lower your expectations. that really goes out for everyone. i mean i had no fucking idea about Hardhome and that episode completely shocked me and this time we know whats to come. kind off... can they completely shock us? i mean they submitted this episode to the emmy's for a reason. not just because of the directing and all that other stuff all that budget went in to, but for writing, so i hope they can so something for us not just a badass looking battle but a lil something else.
And if you wonder why the wildlings fight in their clothes? the answer is more than obvious! they dont have the materials to make armors and the money to buy them, they are poor
They have the materials (Bone Priest, iron tools.) and I already made the point that I understand the Wildlings are not like Westerosies. Even with their metal materials, I can agree that North of the Wall would be -60 to -100 on a good day, so forging plate would be pure fantasy. However, I am making the argument that the North could at least wear more than just leather in the show. We see them with bascinets, but why is it impossible to imagine that they would wear chainmail over/under their leather?
Some of your points are wrong and some others may not be what it looks. And if you wonder why the wildlings fight in their clothes? the answ… moreer is more than obvious! they dont have the materials to make armors and the money to buy them, they are poor! they dont have anything! the lannisters are the exception because they are rich and they can afford it, they have the riches to buy good equipment to all their soldiers, so as the tyrells. Besides... when have you seen northern soldiers with armors? wait until the episode airs and then post your opinion.
"They have the materials (Bone Priest, iron tools.)
No i disagre with you on that.
The northerns are not known for being as rich like the lannisters or the tyrells or the knights of the vale, not all of them use metal armors, maybe because they dont need or they are not used to it, but they are still good warriors without it.
Some of your points are wrong
Which ones?
And if you wonder why the wildlings fight in their clothes? the answer is more than … moreobvious! they dont have the materials to make armors and the money to buy them, they are poor
They have the materials (Bone Priest, iron tools.) and I already made the point that I understand the Wildlings are not like Westerosies. Even with their metal materials, I can agree that North of the Wall would be -60 to -100 on a good day, so forging plate would be pure fantasy. However, I am making the argument that the North could at least wear more than just leather in the show. We see them with bascinets, but why is it impossible to imagine that they would wear chainmail over/under their leather?
"They have the materials (Bone Priest, iron tools.)
No i disagre with you on that.
The northerns are not known for being as rich like … morethe lannisters or the tyrells or the knights of the vale, not all of them use metal armors, maybe because they dont need or they are not used to it, but they are still good warriors without it.
No i disagre with you on that.
The Wildlings have a Bone Priest and iron tipped spears/arrows though. How can you disagree with stuff they are seen with in the show?
Littlefinger has the strongest army if he marches north, so thats enough claim for me. I know what you mean, but I cant trust in things as claims and laws in this world anymore. I wouldnt be surprised if Cersei/Tommen will give him that title. I havent watched the new episode yet, but I hope you are right
Littlefinger doesn't have a claim to the North or Winterfell so it's not going to happen. Or it would be a terrible and unuseful move.
As for the title of warden of the North, it's up to the King to give it.
EDIT: corrected my own mistake.
Yes, that's the point. For you. Not for the Northerners who will be under him. Asoiaf is a world where one cares strongly about rights, and got is kinda the same. Now I didn't see it too yet. :P
Littlefinger has the strongest army if he marches north, so thats enough claim for me. I know what you mean, but I cant trust in things as c… morelaims and laws in this world anymore. I wouldnt be surprised if Cersei/Tommen will give him that title. I havent watched the new episode yet, but I hope you are right
The Free Folk do not mine nor smelt and there are few smiths and fewer forgers north of the wall; the only metal armor that they wear are bits and pieces that they've taken from dead rangers. Most will wear boiled leather or sewn sheepskins and use crude rounds of skin stretched over wicker, painting them with figures such as skulls and bones, serpents, bear claws, twisted demonic faces, and severed heads. I don't believe the arrows are Iron tipped though, you should look into that more.
The Thenns are the most well armed and armored with bronze helms, axes, short stabbing spears with leaf shaped heads, shirts sewn with bronze discs, and plain unadorned shields of black boiled leather with bronze rims and bosses.
They have not made any considerable technological advances.
No i disagre with you on that.
The Wildlings have a Bone Priest and iron tipped spears/arrows though. How can you disagree with stuff they are seen with in the show?
Yeah you are far better with your knowledge about this, next time I will trust you for sure. I always think I know how this all works and then something happens which proves me wrong. But maybe thats why this series/books are so successful, you never really know how things turn out.
so thats enough claim for me.
Yes, that's the point. For you. Not for the Northerners who will be under him. Asoiaf is a world where one cares strongly about rights, and got is kinda the same. Now I didn't see it too yet. :P
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It won't happen, i wish it did, but it won't. I have barely been watching the show this season, but i assume Baelish will save the Starks.
Littlefinger doesn't have a claim to the North or Winterfell so it's not going to happen. Or it would be a terrible and unuseful move.
As for the title of warden of the North, it's up to the King to give it.
EDIT: corrected my own mistake.
Ahh my least favorite story this season lol. I've also heard terrible rumors of the sandsnakes returning.
True, but the North is at the moment (no matter who wins the BoB) de facto independent. Because both Starks and Boltons are traitors to the crown and it seems like the crown really isn't in a state to "fix" the situation. Or rather, Cersei gave LF the task to overthrow Boltons, but we know he isn't loyal to the crown either.
So, in other words, Tommen's power doesn't quite reach to the North at the moment.
The title of warden of the North is applying only in the Realm. As for the Bolton traitor, I totally forgot that concerning the series. But from what I remember they don't know they're considered as traitors, no?
Yeah, I thought about mentioning that, but in the end it's just one title or the other. I guess they will go for Sansa as Queen in the North, rather than "wardeness" (like LF said in s5).
Well, Roose was talking about how they should have the support of the whole North because of the threat of Lannisters. "Reckoning is coming" or something like that
So I think they are aware of the situation. Though Ramsay was far less concerned about it than Roose,
Sad to say, we will lose Ghost in the battle.. that or he'll be locked up in a secured kennel for his own protection.
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You aren't calling shit. That is a spoiler.
Tbh, bringing Ghost to a battle like this would be quite reckless from Jon, almost like asking for him to die. There are just way too much spears an arrows. I think Ghost is not in the battle - he has been absent in all of the promo material.
One more day, guys
All I can say is there are a lot of problems with the battle I've seen so far.
Biggest amongst them is in a picture above. JON, WHY ARE YOU FIGHTING CAVALRY ALONE AND ON FOOT!?
But if you're still reading:
Why is Ramsey's men using pavises in combat? Now, I could be wrong and they're using tower shields, but a pavise is made so you cannot see the man behind it. A tower shield is only large enough to cover a man but leave his head and feet (but not ankles) exposed.
Ramsey's archers are using bodkins against unarmored soldiers. What should be used are barbed so that it'd tear the flesh inside and they cannot be pulled out.
Again, Jon on foot versus cavalry. You're going to die.
We all see how big the field of battle is, so Jon: why are you letting your infantry charge over three hundred yards into archer fire without shields?
Another grievance that the show constantly likes doing: chainmail/plate. Where is it? Why do your men fight in literally the clothes on their backs and a bascinet? Only in tournaments have I seen anyone wearing actual plate. The Lannisters are the exception to this, but seriously. Wear a breastplate for Christ's sakes.
nah... you're wrong, i highly doubt he recognize her, if he did... he would've taken her or something, he would not missed that chance and about rickon stark..... you are wrong there too, at the end all he did was help sansa scape kings landing. You are giving him too much credit.
This is entertainment, not a document of medieval warfare for fuck's sake -.- If you are expecting that, just skip it.
And I very much doubt Jon is in that situation (facing the cavalry on foot) willingly, something has clearly happened that has led to that situation.
Yeah that's what I said previously.
I will continue to give LF the benefit of doubt until he goes full Ramsey Snow. The show wants me to not trust him and trust Varys, so I'm a rebel and I do the opposite.
Well if you're asking all these questions, also ask why they fight outside Winterfell.
i think because they dont want to be tricked , like lord umber said , Jon might know some secret passage since he grew up in the castle .
Some of your points are wrong and some others may not be what it looks. And if you wonder why the wildlings fight in their clothes? the answer is more than obvious! they dont have the materials to make armors and the money to buy them, they are poor! they dont have anything! the lannisters are the exception because they are rich and they can afford it, they have the riches to buy good equipment to all their soldiers, so as the tyrells. Besides... when have you seen northern soldiers with armors? wait until the episode airs and then post your opinion.
He's alone beside his horse in all promo images. So either he's been flanked or he purposely dismounted to face cav on foot.
Secondly, no need to swear. There is a fine line between the two, yes, but like I said: Wear a breastplate at least. Wildlings I can understand them not having armor, but if you're an army at least supply them with more than a leather armor, bascinets and cuir bouilli.
I can answer that.
A siege takes months. That's food, supplies, equipment and time that Jon would need. Littlefinger's army can come in that time and Ramsey would be facing almost triple the original numbers. Winterfell was already damaged once as well, meaning weak points are easy targets for trebuchets and catapults to hit and, with the repairs we've seen, all it would take is sending over some firepots and Winterfell falls to flame. Ramsey is also brash and impulsive. He'd be too hot-blooded and angry just to sit idle. And as alikir34 said, Jon knows the castle. He can find the sally port and waltz right in, bringing the fight to Ramsey within minutes without so many casualties.
On open field however, while they don't have the defensive capabilities of a castle, they can move and flank. They have the hill which gives them the advantage for the charge against Jon's army and the range of Ramsey's bows is much greater. And, with my reasons above, Ramsey decided on the better course of fighting. Jon's army has no chance on an open field. He simply does not have anything for him. The Wildlings are unpredictable, but they also don't fight large scale battles. We saw them flee at the Wall despite their numbers (though they did a good number on Castle Black). Wun Wun is a HUGE target for archers. He will die within the first few minutes if Ramsey's men aren't already overpowering Jon's men. And with it taking a month for a carriage to arrive from Kings Landing (Season 1, Episode 1) the Vale would take at least two or three weeks. Littlefinger would be too late to help.
I'm sure we're all fairly certain how this battle will go, but I hope they don't make Sansa out to be a hero for deus ex Vale to save the day. Yes, her raven will bring them in after the casualties have been tallied. However, if she'd been forthcoming with Jon at the beginning and sent word to Little Finger sooner... how many more lives would've been spared? The sad truth of it is as much as they've tried to make Sansa a real player in the game.. everytime she's played, she's chosen poorly.
Just as Ice was melted down into two blades, I'm really only hoping for two Starks to be left standing at the end of it all.
I'm no fan of the Lady Stoneheart/UnCat plotline and am glad the show has done it however I just read an article that got me thinking. It predicted that Ramsay would lose Winterfell and flee with a small Bolton force then running into Stoneheart and The Brotherhood who hang them. While it wouldn't be what I want it would still be an.interesting way to introduce her even if it's very late. Any thoughts?
Well, sand snakes are bastards. Maybe they're written better now. (Hopefully)
They have not shown Stoneheart yet. At this point, I personally would not feel it. Though if the Frey/Lannister dinner shown in the season trailers is meant as a revenge scene for the Red Wedding, maybe outside Brienne, I don't know who would lead the revenge. And Brienne does not seem so smart.
If this episode turns out to be a letdown, I'll probably just kill myself.
I dont see how it could be, however it turns out, because if anyone is unsatisfied with a bigass battle, theres no hope.
I'm sure it'll be great, but I'm keeping my noose handy just in case.
The way you told that sounds really cliche though. I don't think it will be that simple at all, I mean I am expecting Jon Snow to come through with the win, his resurrection otherwise would've made no sense, but I'm not expecting a half cliche win for them, something will happen seeing as it is Game of Thrones. Or maybe Snow will fucking die, but he will get resurrected again, it's just wont be that simple. Rickon could die, that I can see.
i think you should really lower your expectations. that really goes out for everyone. i mean i had no fucking idea about Hardhome and that episode completely shocked me and this time we know whats to come. kind off... can they completely shock us? i mean they submitted this episode to the emmy's for a reason. not just because of the directing and all that other stuff all that budget went in to, but for writing, so i hope they can so something for us not just a badass looking battle but a lil something else.
Finis what you're eating before the episode because I expect we will get a flayed rickon or at the very least he will be killed
Which ones?
They have the materials (Bone Priest, iron tools.) and I already made the point that I understand the Wildlings are not like Westerosies. Even with their metal materials, I can agree that North of the Wall would be -60 to -100 on a good day, so forging plate would be pure fantasy. However, I am making the argument that the North could at least wear more than just leather in the show. We see them with bascinets, but why is it impossible to imagine that they would wear chainmail over/under their leather?
"They have the materials (Bone Priest, iron tools.)
No i disagre with you on that.
The northerns are not known for being as rich like the lannisters or the tyrells or the knights of the vale, not all of them use metal armors, maybe because they dont need or they are not used to it, but they are still good warriors without it.
The Wildlings have a Bone Priest and iron tipped spears/arrows though. How can you disagree with stuff they are seen with in the show?
Not that, the other..... they dont have so much to make armors to ALL their soldiers!!
Littlefinger has the strongest army if he marches north, so thats enough claim for me. I know what you mean, but I cant trust in things as claims and laws in this world anymore. I wouldnt be surprised if Cersei/Tommen will give him that title. I havent watched the new episode yet, but I hope you are right
Nvm.
Yes, that's the point. For you. Not for the Northerners who will be under him. Asoiaf is a world where one cares strongly about rights, and got is kinda the same. Now I didn't see it too yet. :P
Did the Meereen scene disappoint you? It was amazing....
The Free Folk do not mine nor smelt and there are few smiths and fewer forgers north of the wall; the only metal armor that they wear are bits and pieces that they've taken from dead rangers. Most will wear boiled leather or sewn sheepskins and use crude rounds of skin stretched over wicker, painting them with figures such as skulls and bones, serpents, bear claws, twisted demonic faces, and severed heads. I don't believe the arrows are Iron tipped though, you should look into that more.
The Thenns are the most well armed and armored with bronze helms, axes, short stabbing spears with leaf shaped heads, shirts sewn with bronze discs, and plain unadorned shields of black boiled leather with bronze rims and bosses.
They have not made any considerable technological advances.
(taken from westeros.org "Free folk" page. )
Yeah you are far better with your knowledge about this, next time I will trust you for sure. I always think I know how this all works and then something happens which proves me wrong. But maybe thats why this series/books are so successful, you never really know how things turn out.