Did Clem deserve what she got?
Do you think that Clem deserved to be kicked out of the group for stealing the last piece of medicine they had? Imo if the group didn't want to help the baby then I'd understand where she was coming from, but it was hinted that the group did try to treat AJ with meds, but he wasn't showing any improvement of his condition so they decided that he couldn't be helped, but they did let Clem keep him tho. Also they did keep AJ so he can be as comfortable as possible before he died and so he wouldn't hold down Clem since it's a detriment for Clem's survival to worry about a baby so is deathly ill.
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She deserved to be kicked out. She didn't deserve to have AJ taken from her.
Why do you think they took AJ from her?
Seeing as he apparently survived, it seems like Clementine was right to keep giving him the medicine. The group should have probably let Clementine stay and punished her in another way rather than throwing her out altogether.
She really didn't. What's really confusing is why David wanted to take AJ away from Clem when he just said not 20 seconds ago that they should have left him out in the woods a week ago. This is such a bad-writing.
Depends on the situation.
Perhaps she didn't tell everything.
I remember she caused trouble in Prescott and Tripp kicked her out kinda similar way David did. Only David decided to keep the sick baby to give him a place to die human way.
If Clem caused the same type of trouble because of being disobedient wich led ANF group members to die, I will totally understand David's decision, and after stealing medication she totally fucked up.
Clem:"fuck you and fuck the New Frontier."
David:"you already did."
And she caused Lee to die because didn't listen to Lee and ran away.
But he survives even if you don't give him the medicine.
Well, seeing what communities like Crawford did, I think she was treated pretty fairly for stealing (as in, not killed or thrown in a cell), although they had no right to take AJ, even though he probably survived because they took him
Knowing Clementine, this is probably not her first offense either
Well you know David has quite a bad temper which may lead him into saying things that he may not initially mean.
AJ was dying.
I think even though David didn't do right, he just wanted AJ to die a human way.
We don't know what happened before. I got the feeling both David and Clem are hiding something.
Maybe the medicine was still helping him anyway. The doctor made it sound like he had no chance of living.
Was he like "God, I wish that baby died. (Clem walks away with him) Um, nevermind, didn't mean what I said"?
Nope, the medication just gave him some peace, like no feeling pain anymore.
I think AJ just had a very bad flu and pneumonia and recovered from this anyway.
The way Clementine was making the New Frontier sound, it seemed like it was almost worse than Crawford. I thought the flashback was going to be them feeding AJ to the walkers or something, but in reality they just kept him and kicked her out for stealing.
Clem lied to get Javi's sympathy.
Anyway she was mourning over losing AJ wich didn't let her make wise decisions. And she is still a young child herself.
It was understandable why they wanted to kick her out. She stole from them. I don't know if I would've reacted differently. Having AJ taken away from her was very uncalled for, though. So I guess my answer is: yes and no?
Either to punish Clem further or because he had been injected with their valuable medicine.
But Clementine was probably still right not to give up on him completely like the others wanted to do, seeing as he survived.
How? By getting devoured or die of illness?
OMG!
Just this came through my mind.
Perhaps Clementine was the reason lot of peoples, kids, lovers died in the winter. I remember she told David "fuck you and fuck the New Frontier".
David:"You already did".
David kicked her out and told he should have done it a week before like some bad stuff had happened before.
Wich led Joan to think it justifies her to raid other settlements for the survival of the new frontier.
If this happened, Clem indirectly killed Mariana!
Clem just admitted to Javi the New Frontier were decent peoples from the start.
I remember Telltale mentioned before all peoples around Clem die.
Well if you let someone in your group and treat a baby who contributes nothing to the group with valuable meds and he shows no sign that he's getting better so you decide that there's no point continuing giving him meds if he's no going to get any better, but that girl you let into your group and helped out, stole from you, wouldn't you be angry also?
In her vision she was right.
But if he just had bad flu, no any medication would have worked.
But she was just a desperate ignorant kid, she just didnt knew. She even could have killed AJ with this medication.
Omg she put the needle in AJ's arm through his clothes, and that stupid high Lingard just looking at them lol.
So the medication was a waste yes and could have really saved a life! Because of her one more potential dead person.
He let dr. Lingard take care of the boy, and the boy survived!
We see Clem smiling when David mentioned Lingards name, wich suggest Lingard is Clem's trusted friend.
I'd be angry but not enough to banish her from the group entirely.
Hmm, it's really wierd to see Clem smile like that. But she was still giving David a bad stare.
Maybe yeah. It still isn't clear whether medication helped or not though. I don't think it made him worse as the doctor said that she brought him a happy moment or something like that.
I would say that David made the right decision by keeping Alvie with his group—but the reason is definitely not that Clementine had to be punished.
It didn't because he survives anyway.
If you google the medication, it had a much different goal.
Clem just stole a medication out of nothing, just hoping it saving AJ's life.
The wrong medication can kill your baby, wich Clem didn't know.
Anyway, I chose to steal it, because I like this drama and storyline.
Yes like my 13-year old sister can do to me for nothing when she doesn't get what she wants or likes lol.
Not really strange Clem smiles about Lingard.
We see when Lingard caught Clem stealing she wasn't worried at all, like she trusted him. He wouldnt even tell the others when she wasn't caught by David/Ava.
She just acts like the annoying teen doing what she wants.
We even see Lingard pleading for Clem to give her another chance after David kicked her out. But he seemed to be a coward and chickened out to start a fight with David. The same happened with the Joan/David drama.
I think Lingard has a good heart but he is a coward junkie.
She had to be punished, but not this sick way.
Perhaps lock her up a while?
You're reminding me of Bonnie.
I really don't think she deserved to be punished.
Some way Bonnie had good things.
But she was a coward too.
But the worst she backstabbed peoples and was a pathological liar.
Depends on what happened before.
I got the feeling after David's reactions, Clem had caused a big mess and troubles inside the New Frontier before.
Whatever it was, we'll probably know very soon.
Was he being a coward or was he just being smart? It's not gonna do him much good to start a fight with the leader of the group apart from pointlessly get him kicked out as well. And I didn't get the impression that him and Clementine were best buddies or something. He's not gonna back her up to that extent lol.
You got a point. He was probably being smart despite he was being high.
But still he didn't just call the others after he caught Clem stealing, what he was supposed to do.
And Clem was very relaxed with him after he caught her, like she trusted him.
So yes I got the impression they had some decent friendship before.
Only after Ava caught her, she can beg Ava not to tell others, wich she never worried about with Lingard lol.
No, any group that is prepared to just let little kids die without any attempt to even treat their illness deserves to end up as zombie chow.
Clem also apparently turned out to be right, as he survived whatever was ailing him.
But they did try to treat AJ, but he wasn't getting any better. Also whether or not you gave AJ the medicine, he survives anyways.
If you don't break the ice, Lingard dies. :P
Awww probably the next one she got killed! (Not intentionally)
I hope Javi will make difference and not being killed because of Clementine's curse lol