no shit, everytime someone says something like "We're all okay now" or "wow, Javi, you took care of muh family I'll never forget" I'm just screaming in my head
MARI ISN'T OKAY, YOU FORGETFUL FUCKS
I still can't help but say it, but remember when Lee said "Clem is one of the few good things left in this world", well...I believe Lee woul… mored be extremely disappointed in season 3 Clem. :^(
Do you believe Clem has gone downhill in season 3? In terms of being in character, the model, etc.?
Anyway, Eli didn't need to die, that's a waste of a bullet. We don't even know for sure he was even trying to rip her off, he was noticeably frightened, and seemed to wanted to compromise for the bad quality Clem received, he was going to give her batteries back. Clementine pulling the trigger contradicts her own season 2 advice as well, not to mention, she doesn't even give a shit after she kills him, just "please cover up for me Javier lol, look how impulsive I am, whoops!" The only reason we get from Clem killing Eli is "I DIDN'T GET BULLETS REEEEEE", and yes, I get that those bullets could've gotten her killed, and Clem killing Eli in the first place should've been determined by your season 2 Clem, like Telltale was talking so highly of prior to the release of this god awful season, but Clem changes not in the slightest. Clem doesn't do anything differently, and has issues being a solid character this season in general. I would've preferred they just omit Clem from this season.
Regardless, the point being is that her change from seasons 1 and 2, to season 3, is definitely not a welcomed one by many people, and it's so night and day it's laughable how abysmal her character her is now. For those that didn't play edgy Clem in season 2, this is blatant, and many people I've discussed this with agree with the change, and typically dislike Clem this season.
I know you're going to disagree with the first segment, I'd honestly prefer you not reply in regards to that topic specifically, as we've had that discussion in the past, and it ended up a shitposting festival. You think it was justified, I don't believe Clem should've been the one to pull the trigger (my Clem/Lee are moral, didn't descend to their level of asshattery, especially not going to kill people off little information and impulse), etc. The recycled arguments go on...
no, what, because she killed eli?
one less dickbag in the world is hardly something to be disappointed in.
she's clearly much more optimis… moretic and full of life by the end than she was at the beginning. Just look at her cute face when she asks Javi his opinion of her haircut.
Well s1 clem.would never of survived without lee and everyone changes like this in twd just compare days gone by rick to.current rick.
Yes, and everyone's Lee told Clem to not let the apocalypse change who they (unless you didn't take Clem to Crawford, I don't know if he says it otherwise, but most people have a moral Lee statistically; same rules apply unless you're douchebag Lee). If Clem were to ever actually change her character, it would've been after Lee's death, my Clem remained moral. The season 3 transition however, was shoehorned with a <5 minute flashback, and a time skip, and boom, Clem has no dynamic values, only edge and impulsive behavior.
Hell, she doesn't even act clever anymore, before, even in season 1 as a side character, there was always a clever and intelligent sentiment displayed, but in season 3, she feels like a generic Hollywood action movie teenager. Season 3 is a great example of fan service to the people who wanted a "badass" Clem, despite her being more badass in season 2 while remaining a great character (in my opinion as always).
What's the implication? That they were too focused on X event that they were overcompensating or trying too hard to make it """well-written"""? Maybe I'm just too tired right now to comprehend this completely.
Agreed. It's also worth noting that the bullets were apparently working until literally right as they were at the gates of Prescott clearing walkers with Tripp, meaning she was more or less threatening him into a refund because one or two bullets messed up on the way to see him and ended up accidentally murdering him when she wouldn't calm down.
I realize Telltale pretty much dug themselves a hole with the whole #MyClementine thing, but the Clementine I remember wouldn't have been that blatantly careless with other people's lives.
Not just because she killed Eli...
Anyway, Eli didn't need to die, that's a waste of a bullet. We don't even know for sure he was even tr… moreying to rip her off, he was noticeably frightened, and seemed to wanted to compromise for the bad quality Clem received, he was going to give her batteries back. Clementine pulling the trigger contradicts her own season 2 advice as well, not to mention, she doesn't even give a shit after she kills him, just "please cover up for me Javier lol, look how impulsive I am, whoops!" The only reason we get from Clem killing Eli is "I DIDN'T GET BULLETS REEEEEE", and yes, I get that those bullets could've gotten her killed, and Clem killing Eli in the first place should've been determined by your season 2 Clem, like Telltale was talking so highly of prior to the release of this god awful season, but Clem changes not in the slightest. Clem doesn't do anything differently, and has issues being a solid character this… [view original content]
What's the implication? That they were too focused on X event that they were overcompensating or trying too hard to make it """well-written"""? Maybe I'm just too tired right now to comprehend this completely.
I mean that there are certain plotlines and character interactions that you'd think they put a fair amount of focus and effort into to tell an engaging story, but for one reason or another, they sped through the ones they didn't drop altogether.
Ex. Vengeful Conrad, Clementine and Gabe's actual relationship(outside of shipteasing, I mean), Tripp's presumable experience helping the group, Eleanor and Clementine's dynamic, etc.
What's the implication? That they were too focused on X event that they were overcompensating or trying too hard to make it """well-written"""? Maybe I'm just too tired right now to comprehend this completely.
Oh yeah, definitely. Would've toned down everyone's judgmental assumptions that they know nothing about survival and should've been around this far in. Which has gotten very old on top of being boring, btw.
I always [accurately] assumed that Gabe and Marianna did undergo training from Kate and/or Javier, they never had to use it often, to Gabe's chagrin and Marianna's preference.
I agree, as I said before I usually complain about removed scenes/lines, but in this instance they made the right choice leading us to believe
crawford hung himself when he saw his perfect survivor's community crumble around him.
Good idea, you're right about 70% of the time.
Plus seeing Conrad get bitch slapped by Ava wouldn't have been as silly as Tripp getting knocked down like that.
It's partially because she was originally Hector's daughter and Gabe's cousin, but mostly because the writers tend to be forgetful about certain characters.
no shit, everytime someone says something like "We're all okay now" or "wow, Javi, you took care of muh family I'll never forget" I'm just screaming in my head
MARI ISN'T OKAY, YOU FORGETFUL FUCKS
Ah yes, another point I forgot to include: All of the cartridges functioned before and after Clem revisits Eli (unless the cartridge was to blame while she was getting into Prescott). Thanks for pointing that out. It appears there was 3 misfires in a row, but that honestly could have been an issue with her pistol (the environment is rough, gun may need cleaning or other maintenance), we have no direct confirmation that it was the cartridges themselves, and honestly it feels as if Eli wasn't ripping her off, or wasn't trying to rip her off. I doubt Eli made it this far in the apocalypse selling people cartridges that aren't reliable/don't function at all.
Agreed. It's also worth noting that the bullets were apparently working until literally right as they were at the gates of Prescott clearing… more walkers with Tripp, meaning she was more or less threatening him into a refund because one or two bullets messed up on the way to see him and ended up accidentally murdering him when she wouldn't calm down.
I realize Telltale pretty much dug themselves a hole with the whole #MyClementine thing, but the Clementine I remember wouldn't have been that blatantly careless with other people's lives.
Ah, yeah, they definitely should've focused on other developing sub-plot relations/tensions/events/etc. That's what made this series even better as it felt more polished and detailed, and assisted in character development regardless. I'm quite disappointed in Telltale though with Clem especially this season as you know, so I'll refrain from ranting about that.
Also I watched Gabe's death scene, it honestly wasn't depressing or sad for me, Gabe's just like "lol Clem grab (you mean "take"?) these cards...", "Javier I want to kill muhself now, the painnnnnnn aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
Some cringy dialogue and cliche raining despite there being no signs earlier (regarding the rain), and some idiots say "It's as sad as Lee's death"....why?
I mean that there are certain plotlines and character interactions that you'd think they put a fair amount of focus and effort into to tell … morean engaging story, but for one reason or another, they sped through the ones they didn't drop altogether.
Ex. Vengeful Conrad, Clementine and Gabe's actual relationship(outside of shipteasing, I mean), Tripp's presumable experience helping the group, Eleanor and Clementine's dynamic, etc.
What's the context of this gif? Im assuming it's a joke about Tripp, Gabe or David?
Also:
Does picking Luke in the story builder affect any dialogue in ANF at all?
What happens if Conrad dies in Episode 4? Does Kate already know that she ran over him or is there an option to tell her that she ran over our beloved Comrade? Or is it completely forgotten about?
Also, if there is an option to tell her, can someone find/link a video about it? I tried looking it up, but I couldn't find a video about it myself.
Ah, yeah, they definitely should've focused on other developing sub-plot relations/tensions/events/etc. That's what made this series even better as it felt more polished and detailed, and assisted in character development regardless.
Agreed.
Also I watched Gabe's death scene, it honestly wasn't depressing or sad for me, Gabe's just like "lol Clem grab (you mean "take"?) these cards...", "Javier I want to kill muhself now, the painnnnnnn aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
Some cringy dialogue and cliche raining despite there being no signs earlier (regarding the rain), and some idiots say "It's as sad as Lee's death"....why?
I...have nothing to say to this, since YMMV. All I know is that the fact that Gabe is determinate and that Clementine can essentially say that she was falling for him was a huuug copout.
Ah, yeah, they definitely should've focused on other developing sub-plot relations/tensions/events/etc. That's what made this series even be… moretter as it felt more polished and detailed, and assisted in character development regardless. I'm quite disappointed in Telltale though with Clem especially this season as you know, so I'll refrain from ranting about that.
Also I watched Gabe's death scene, it honestly wasn't depressing or sad for me, Gabe's just like "lol Clem grab (you mean "take"?) these cards...", "Javier I want to kill muhself now, the painnnnnnn aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
Some cringy dialogue and cliche raining despite there being no signs earlier (regarding the rain), and some idiots say "It's as sad as Lee's death"....why?
What happens if Conrad dies in Episode 4? Does Kate already know that she ran over him or is there an option to tell her that she ran over o… moreur beloved Comrade? Or is it completely forgotten about?
Also, if there is an option to tell her, can someone find/link a video about it? I tried looking it up, but I couldn't find a video about it myself.
I...have nothing to say to this, since YMMV. All I know is that the fact that Gabe is determinate and that Clementine can essentially say that she was falling for him was a huuug copout.
Ugh, Clem shouldn't even have determinantly been in love with him in the first place, cringy as hell, most people didn't want it. Regardless, this just helps proves my point of Telltale's fan service, accompanied by Clem being more "badass"....
I'm just waiting for season 4 """Clementine""" to be determinantly a lesbian or bi. The ship has already sunk due to this season, it could probably descend further downward though.
What went wrong? Why is this season significantly worse and flatlined compared to the previous seasons? Did Telltale just go full libtard LGBT pandering squad? Or possibly just a bad selection of writers and decision making (decisions such as this abysmal new engine)?
Ah, yeah, they definitely should've focused on other developing sub-plot relations/tensions/events/etc. That's what made this series even be… moretter as it felt more polished and detailed, and assisted in character development regardless.
Agreed.
Also I watched Gabe's death scene, it honestly wasn't depressing or sad for me, Gabe's just like "lol Clem grab (you mean "take"?) these cards...", "Javier I want to kill muhself now, the painnnnnnn aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
Some cringy dialogue and cliche raining despite there being no signs earlier (regarding the rain), and some idiots say "It's as sad as Lee's death"....why?
I...have nothing to say to this, since YMMV. All I know is that the fact that Gabe is determinate and that Clementine can essentially say that she was falling for him was a huuug copout.
Javi says it to Clem if you tell her about Gabe's crush on her
Where's the gun? This needs to end now...well it kind of did for many people, thankfully. Fuck, and to think we have another season dedicated to the shitty character referred to as """Clementine""" from seasons 3 and (soon to be) 4.
Ugh, Clem shouldn't even have determinantly been in love with him in the first place, cringy as hell, most people didn't want it.
Hence why I was always of the mindset that they just be mostly platonic friends(if Javier/David's influence doesn't change that) and Gabe non-determinately survives so that should anyone actually approve of that shit, they can consider fulfilling/jossing it for Season 6 and still have the high ground by keeping it as just fandumb stuff.
I'm just waiting for season 4 """Clementine""" to be determinantly a lesbian or bi.
I literally thought the same thing 20 minutes ago!
What went wrong? Why is this season significantly worse and flatlined compared to the previous seasons?
I...have nothing to say to this, since YMMV. All I know is that the fact that Gabe is determinate and that Clementine can essentially say th… moreat she was falling for him was a huuug copout.
Ugh, Clem shouldn't even have determinantly been in love with him in the first place, cringy as hell, most people didn't want it. Regardless, this just helps proves my point of Telltale's fan service, accompanied by Clem being more "badass"....
I'm just waiting for season 4 """Clementine""" to be determinantly a lesbian or bi. The ship has already sunk due to this season, it could probably descend further downward though.
What went wrong? Why is this season significantly worse and flatlined compared to the previous seasons? Did Telltale just go full libtard LGBT pandering squad? Or possibly just a bad selection of writers and decision making (decisions such as this abysmal new engine)?
In episode 4 flashback, Kenny can talk about Lee if Clem says "Its the best thing ever". Does he have different lines depending on his relationship with Lee, or does he always say the same thing?
Did Salvador and Hector fight? Were they distant since Salvador didn't want another him when he had sons and asked them to be brothers before its too late
How did the Richmond people get pictures of all the dead to put on their memorial? Like I can understand the residents maybe but I can't see… more Javi/rest of the gang carrying around pictures of Kate, Tripp, Conrad, etc. esp after all they've been through (having to desert their vehicles, having to leave Prescott so urgently, etc)
I mean I guess maybe the answer is just the plot demanded it, but that bit kept bothering me throughout the whole scene.
In episode 4 flashback, Kenny can talk about Lee if Clem says "Its the best thing ever". Does he have different lines depending on his relationship with Lee, or does he always say the same thing?
Did Salvador and Hector fight? Were they distant since Salvador didn't want another him when he had sons and asked them to be brothers before its too late
Did Salvador and Hector fight? Were they distant since Salvador didn't want another him when he had sons and asked them to be brothers before its too late
Did Salvador and Hector fight? Were they distant since Salvador didn't want another him when he had sons and asked them to be brothers before its too late
He was originally supposed to be Javier and David's brother-in -law and Marianna's dad, but they changed that fairly late in development. So I'm not entirely sure.
I suppose that does make sense, I thought Hector was that when I first played episode 1. Man, he was pointless.
Gotta love those lingering remnants of scrapped ideas.
and forgetful...ha. They remembered Rufus, but forgot Max.
Ouch.
It's partially because she was originally Hector's daughter and Gabe's cousin, but mostly because the writers tend to be forgetful about certain characters.
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no shit, everytime someone says something like "We're all okay now" or "wow, Javi, you took care of muh family I'll never forget" I'm just screaming in my head
MARI ISN'T OKAY, YOU FORGETFUL FUCKS
The REAL Cluke
Well s1 clem.would never of survived without lee and everyone changes like this in twd just compare days gone by rick to.current rick.
Not just because she killed Eli...
Anyway, Eli didn't need to die, that's a waste of a bullet. We don't even know for sure he was even trying to rip her off, he was noticeably frightened, and seemed to wanted to compromise for the bad quality Clem received, he was going to give her batteries back. Clementine pulling the trigger contradicts her own season 2 advice as well, not to mention, she doesn't even give a shit after she kills him, just "please cover up for me Javier lol, look how impulsive I am, whoops!" The only reason we get from Clem killing Eli is "I DIDN'T GET BULLETS REEEEEE", and yes, I get that those bullets could've gotten her killed, and Clem killing Eli in the first place should've been determined by your season 2 Clem, like Telltale was talking so highly of prior to the release of this god awful season, but Clem changes not in the slightest. Clem doesn't do anything differently, and has issues being a solid character this season in general. I would've preferred they just omit Clem from this season.
Regardless, the point being is that her change from seasons 1 and 2, to season 3, is definitely not a welcomed one by many people, and it's so night and day it's laughable how abysmal her character her is now. For those that didn't play edgy Clem in season 2, this is blatant, and many people I've discussed this with agree with the change, and typically dislike Clem this season.
I know you're going to disagree with the first segment, I'd honestly prefer you not reply in regards to that topic specifically, as we've had that discussion in the past, and it ended up a shitposting festival. You think it was justified, I don't believe Clem should've been the one to pull the trigger (my Clem/Lee are moral, didn't descend to their level of asshattery, especially not going to kill people off little information and impulse), etc. The recycled arguments go on...
Yes, and everyone's Lee told Clem to not let the apocalypse change who they (unless you didn't take Clem to Crawford, I don't know if he says it otherwise, but most people have a moral Lee statistically; same rules apply unless you're douchebag Lee). If Clem were to ever actually change her character, it would've been after Lee's death, my Clem remained moral. The season 3 transition however, was shoehorned with a <5 minute flashback, and a time skip, and boom, Clem has no dynamic values, only edge and impulsive behavior.
Hell, she doesn't even act clever anymore, before, even in season 1 as a side character, there was always a clever and intelligent sentiment displayed, but in season 3, she feels like a generic Hollywood action movie teenager. Season 3 is a great example of fan service to the people who wanted a "badass" Clem, despite her being more badass in season 2 while remaining a great character (in my opinion as always).
What's the implication? That they were too focused on X event that they were overcompensating or trying too hard to make it """well-written"""? Maybe I'm just too tired right now to comprehend this completely.
Agreed. It's also worth noting that the bullets were apparently working until literally right as they were at the gates of Prescott clearing walkers with Tripp, meaning she was more or less threatening him into a refund because one or two bullets messed up on the way to see him and ended up accidentally murdering him when she wouldn't calm down.
I realize Telltale pretty much dug themselves a hole with the whole #MyClementine thing, but the Clementine I remember wouldn't have been that blatantly careless with other people's lives.
Go to my Failed Aspirations thread and you'll see.
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I mean that there are certain plotlines and character interactions that you'd think they put a fair amount of focus and effort into to tell an engaging story, but for one reason or another, they sped through the ones they didn't drop altogether.
Ex. Vengeful Conrad, Clementine and Gabe's actual relationship(outside of shipteasing, I mean), Tripp's presumable experience helping the group, Eleanor and Clementine's dynamic, etc.
Yeah, I got that part; what was asking is how did they crash so bad that they got surrounded by walkers.
Anyway, @Deltino answered this in a different thread sometime after I asked this though.
Ew.
Eh, perhaps. Not that that means much to me, but I gotcha.
Oh yeah, definitely. Would've toned down everyone's judgmental assumptions that they know nothing about survival and should've been around this far in. Which has gotten very old on top of being boring, btw.
I always [accurately] assumed that Gabe and Marianna did undergo training from Kate and/or Javier, they never had to use it often, to Gabe's chagrin and Marianna's preference.
That's not how history is written, dude. He was appparently to be named specifically as Oberson's executor.
Pretty much. Why he chose the fuckin belltower is beyond me.
Yeah, but the karma element probably would've made it just as funny.
No they didn't and no tears were shed when it that happened.
It's partially because she was originally Hector's daughter and Gabe's cousin, but mostly because the writers tend to be forgetful about certain characters.
Ah yes, another point I forgot to include: All of the cartridges functioned before and after Clem revisits Eli (unless the cartridge was to blame while she was getting into Prescott). Thanks for pointing that out. It appears there was 3 misfires in a row, but that honestly could have been an issue with her pistol (the environment is rough, gun may need cleaning or other maintenance), we have no direct confirmation that it was the cartridges themselves, and honestly it feels as if Eli wasn't ripping her off, or wasn't trying to rip her off. I doubt Eli made it this far in the apocalypse selling people cartridges that aren't reliable/don't function at all.
What's the context of this gif? Im assuming it's a joke about Tripp, Gabe or David?
Also:
Does picking Luke in the story builder affect any dialogue in ANF at all?
Ah, yeah, they definitely should've focused on other developing sub-plot relations/tensions/events/etc. That's what made this series even better as it felt more polished and detailed, and assisted in character development regardless. I'm quite disappointed in Telltale though with Clem especially this season as you know, so I'll refrain from ranting about that.
Also I watched Gabe's death scene, it honestly wasn't depressing or sad for me, Gabe's just like "lol Clem grab (you mean "take"?) these cards...", "Javier I want to kill muhself now, the painnnnnnn aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
Some cringy dialogue and cliche raining despite there being no signs earlier (regarding the rain), and some idiots say "It's as sad as Lee's death"....why?
Javi says it to Clem if you tell her about Gabe's crush on her
What happens if Conrad dies in Episode 4? Does Kate already know that she ran over him or is there an option to tell her that she ran over our beloved Comrade? Or is it completely forgotten about?
Also, if there is an option to tell her, can someone find/link a video about it? I tried looking it up, but I couldn't find a video about it myself.
Agreed.
I...have nothing to say to this, since YMMV. All I know is that the fact that Gabe is determinate and that Clementine can essentially say that she was falling for him was a huuug copout.
Someone mentioned that you can tell her when she first shows up.
Ugh, Clem shouldn't even have determinantly been in love with him in the first place, cringy as hell, most people didn't want it. Regardless, this just helps proves my point of Telltale's fan service, accompanied by Clem being more "badass"....
I'm just waiting for season 4 """Clementine""" to be determinantly a lesbian or bi. The ship has already sunk due to this season, it could probably descend further downward though.
What went wrong? Why is this season significantly worse and flatlined compared to the previous seasons? Did Telltale just go full libtard LGBT pandering squad? Or possibly just a bad selection of writers and decision making (decisions such as this abysmal new engine)?
Where's the gun? This needs to end now...well it kind of did for many people, thankfully. Fuck, and to think we have another season dedicated to the shitty character referred to as """Clementine""" from seasons 3 and (soon to be) 4.
W H A T W E N T W R O N G ?
Hence why I was always of the mindset that they just be mostly platonic friends(if Javier/David's influence doesn't change that) and Gabe non-determinately survives so that should anyone actually approve of that shit, they can consider fulfilling/jossing it for Season 6 and still have the high ground by keeping it as just fandumb stuff.
I literally thought the same thing 20 minutes ago!
The latter, for one thing.
In episode 4 flashback, Kenny can talk about Lee if Clem says "Its the best thing ever". Does he have different lines depending on his relationship with Lee, or does he always say the same thing?
Did Salvador and Hector fight? Were they distant since Salvador didn't want another him when he had sons and asked them to be brothers before its too late
Same problem with 400 Days
Same thing, even if you were bros with him.
That's a good point. Good ear there!
They could be
who the fuck is hector anyway? he had like .0005 milliseconds of screentime
He was originally supposed to be Javier and David's brother-in -law and Marianna's dad, but they changed that fairly late in development. So I'm not entirely sure.
They called him uncle Hector and he has Garcia as a last name so I made the assumption those two are brothers
I suppose that does make sense, I thought Hector was that when I first played episode 1. Man, he was pointless.
Gotta love those lingering remnants of scrapped ideas.
and forgetful...ha. They remembered Rufus, but forgot Max.
Ouch.