Lol and yet it’s exactly the same with you. Someone mentions Kenny in a post or you see a topic with his name in the title and then the Hate Mobile you drive pulls up at the side of the road and out you get and start blurting shit about Kenny to make yourself feel better.
Clem gets shot...ie. Kenny shot Clem.
No. Arvo shot Clem because she had killed his sister. He didn’t know she had already turned but you can clearly see he hates her for putting her down. You’re actually wrong on this but no surprise you have to put the blame on your favourite character.
And again Kenny is not disturbed. He lacks sense during extreme worrying situations but that doesn’t make him disturbed at all. Reckless maybe but not disturbed. Disturbing is putting a newborn in a freezing car, putting it’s life in danger and because proving a point and forcing a decision on an 11 year old girl is more important to her all because she didn’t want to be alone.
Cause and effect....Kenny shoots a Howes guy....Walter eats a bullet. Kenny beats on Arvo...Bonnie, Mike and Arvo leave...Clem gets shot...… moreie. Kenny shot Clem. Carlos got shot...daughter has a breakdown...Nick dies...Sarita dies...Clem gets blamed for an unfriendly turn of a card. Clem or Kenny shoots walker Rebekka to save AJ....causes fire fight. Someone points out that Kenny is a shit head....dan290786 appears. Causality at work. How real causality works....Kenny causes people to die...group cuts ties with Kenny. Sarita would say...that's not fair, you are blaming him for the actions of a mad man...I would reply...no, we are blaming him for shooting one of their men without thought 1 to how that shit would play out.
Kenny is disturbed.
As i said they're gonna add this "third person camera angle" Life Is Strange had so i'm expecting plenty of gameplay,and i agree with the episode lengths.
But that's the only good thing they should learn from them,the characters in Life Is Strange were really meh but that's just my opinion on the game.
I'm also expecting to see some good soundtrack like in season 1 and 2.
No offense to Jared Emerson-Johnson but they re-used a lot of soundtracks from season 2 in A New Frontier and i didn't like that.
But this is off topic so i'm gonna stop talking about that now.
The only good thing? Again your opinion. Telltale should add way more hubs like LIS included, give a decent background to all of it’s minor … morecharacters like in LIS, plenty of gameplay and long episode lengths, choices making it feel like it had an effect for the majority of the game. This is why Telltale could learn from Dontnod or follow TWD Season 1’s example instead the new shit they install these days
As i said they're gonna add this "third person camera angle" Life Is Strange had so i'm expecting plenty of gameplay,and i agree with the ep… moreisode lengths.
But that's the only good thing they should learn from them,the characters in Life Is Strange were really meh but that's just my opinion on the game.
I'm also expecting to see some good soundtrack like in season 1 and 2.
No offense to Jared Emerson-Johnson but they re-used a lot of soundtracks from season 2 in A New Frontier and i didn't like that.
But this is off topic so i'm gonna stop talking about that now.
I love how immediately picking the elipses option just has them stand there the whole waiting period for some reason.
Also, "Clementine. You made it. I'm acting."
maybe it's because even if you didn't cut Sarita's hand Kenny still blames you,
I wanna say it's less him blaming her .
or maybe it's because the group is sending a little girl to deal with Kenny because they're afraid of him.
Or/and because she knew him longer and has less of him going off on her again.
Interesting attention to detail there, considering Mike is the one who gets Kenny out of the herd regardless and was the one who tried to talking to him afterwards only to the yelled at.
Sarita dies...Clem gets blamed for an unfriendly turn of a card.
I still have mixed feelings about this scene,i don't know what to t… morehink,
maybe it's because even if you didn't cut Sarita's hand Kenny still blames you,
or maybe it's because the group is sending a little girl to deal with Kenny because they're afraid of him.
So yeah as i said,i have mixed feelings about this.
Someone points out that Kenny is a shit head....dan290786 appears
Every time.
No. Arvo shot Clem because she had killed his sister. He didn’t know she had already turned but you can clearly see he hates her for putting her down.
Well, considering his introduction had him unable to even hold his gun steady in self-defense before admitting he really doesn't want to use it, not to mention he was retaining some degree of patience and civility towards her afterwards despite his grudge, I'd more than say Kenny definitely played a part in getting him to that point.
Also, I really don't think that was as much of a factor as people tend to think it is. After all, it's entirely possible. We simply don't know for sure because the narrative never clues us in on his understanding one way or the other.
And, as harsh as it is to say, I don't think that specific aspect would've mattered much anyway--Natasha turned because she died of a gunshot wound. She got shot because things escalated to the point that the already aggressive Buricko returned fire when Clementine/Kenny/Kenny shot Rebecca's Walker. Things escalated from a standoff due to the Howe's Ski Cabin Group putting up their guard against being robbed. And the Russian Group came after them in the first place because Clementine and Jane ambushed and robbed him at the Observation Deck to begin with.
So either way, things trace back to Clementine surprising him at the Deck and determinately participating directly in things getting to that point.
Disturbing is putting a newborn in a freezing car, putting it’s life in danger and because proving a point and forcing a decision on an 11 year old girl is more important to her all because she didn’t want to be alone.
Or letting said 11 year old sit there and watch her not really that much older friend with psychological be killed by a herd because she was traumatized by having her parent and guardian suddenly be killed in front of her. While doing absolutely nothing to help the situation before, during, or after it escalated to dangerous levels.
Lol and yet it’s exactly the same with you. Someone mentions Kenny in a post or you see a topic with his name in the title and then the Hate… more Mobile you drive pulls up at the side of the road and out you get and start blurting shit about Kenny to make yourself feel better.
Clem gets shot...ie. Kenny shot Clem.
No. Arvo shot Clem because she had killed his sister. He didn’t know she had already turned but you can clearly see he hates her for putting her down. You’re actually wrong on this but no surprise you have to put the blame on your favourite character.
And again Kenny is not disturbed. He lacks sense during extreme worrying situations but that doesn’t make him disturbed at all. Reckless maybe but not disturbed. Disturbing is putting a newborn in a freezing car, putting it’s life in danger and because proving a point and forcing a decision on an 11 year old girl is more important to her all because she didn’t want to be alone.
No, i completely disagree. Arvo shot Clem because he wanted to. Even if you do nothing, even if you ask to go with Mike he still shoots you and he didn’t need to but he wanted to. Just look at his face. And I’m sorry I don’t put the blame on Kenny at all for Arvo doing that and of course nothing will make me think otherwise. By all means blame Kenny for Mike/Bonnie wanting to leave as Mike confirms thats the case where as Arvo is just speculation as you kind of said. We don’t know for sure what was going through his head. The point is he shot her and he can go to hell for that
No. Arvo shot Clem because she had killed his sister. He didn’t know she had already turned but you can clearly see he hates her for putting… more her down.
Well, considering his introduction had him unable to even hold his gun steady in self-defense before admitting he really doesn't want to use it, not to mention he was retaining some degree of patience and civility towards her afterwards despite his grudge, I'd more than say Kenny definitely played a part in getting him to that point.
Also, I really don't think that was as much of a factor as people tend to think it is. After all, it's entirely possible. We simply don't know for sure because the narrative never clues us in on his understanding one way or the other.
And, as harsh as it is to say, I don't think that specific aspect would've mattered much anyway--Natasha turned because she died of a gunshot wound. She got shot because things escalated to the point that the already aggre… [view original content]
Or letting said 11 year old sit there and watch her not really that much older friend with psychological be killed by a herd because she was traumatized by having her parent and guardian suddenly be killed in front of her. While doing absolutely nothing to help the situation before, during, or after it escalated to dangerous levels.
Are you referring to the trailer or deck? Because if it’s the deck, there was really nothing anyone could do to save Sarah. I am not sure what you mean when you say “letting” an 11 year old sit there and watch when no one was making her watch Sarah die. Sorry I’m contused?
No. Arvo shot Clem because she had killed his sister. He didn’t know she had already turned but you can clearly see he hates her for putting… more her down.
Well, considering his introduction had him unable to even hold his gun steady in self-defense before admitting he really doesn't want to use it, not to mention he was retaining some degree of patience and civility towards her afterwards despite his grudge, I'd more than say Kenny definitely played a part in getting him to that point.
Also, I really don't think that was as much of a factor as people tend to think it is. After all, it's entirely possible. We simply don't know for sure because the narrative never clues us in on his understanding one way or the other.
And, as harsh as it is to say, I don't think that specific aspect would've mattered much anyway--Natasha turned because she died of a gunshot wound. She got shot because things escalated to the point that the already aggre… [view original content]
Trailer.
The deck was arguably double/actually Jane's fault, but I suppose I could give her 12.5% credit for having to be badgered into actually doing something, only to fuck it up.
Because if it’s the deck, there was really nothing anyone could do to save Sarah.
Sure there was. They just didn't try hard enough. Which is to say they were ironically pretty damn non-cooperative or even very prompt in doing so.
I am not sure what you mean when you say “letting” an 11 year old sit there and watch when no one was making her watch Sarah die.
I've only seen that scene online maybe twice, but that's just kinda what immediately ran through my head when I saw that.
Or letting said 11 year old sit there and watch her not really that much older friend with psychological be killed by a herd because she was… more traumatized by having her parent and guardian suddenly be killed in front of her. While doing absolutely nothing to help the situation before, during, or after it escalated to dangerous levels.
Are you referring to the trailer or deck? Because if it’s the deck, there was really nothing anyone could do to save Sarah. I am not sure what you mean when you say “letting” an 11 year old sit there and watch when no one was making her watch Sarah die. Sorry I’m contused?
My favorite part is when Mike & Bonnie only attempt to shoot some walkers with their unlimited ammo, if you demand Jane to save her, even after Bonnie says, "Sarah hang on!"
Trailer.
The deck was arguably double/actually Jane's fault, but I suppose I could give her 12.5% credit for having to be badgered into ac… moretually doing something, only to fuck it up.
Because if it’s the deck, there was really nothing anyone could do to save Sarah.
Sure there was. They just didn't try hard enough. Which is to say they were ironically pretty damn non-cooperative or even very prompt in doing so.
I am not sure what you mean when you say “letting” an 11 year old sit there and watch when no one was making her watch Sarah die.
I've only seen that scene online maybe twice, but that's just kinda what immediately ran through my head when I saw that.
They just didn't try hard enough.
My favorite part is when Mike & Bonnie only attempt to shoot some walkers with their unlimited ammo, if you demand Jane to save her, even after Bonnie says, "Sarah hang on!"
Sure there was. They just didn't try hard enough. Which is to say they were ironically pretty damn non-cooperative or even very prompt in doing so.
Well yes and no. They could have sent more people down to help but at a risk of losing more people. I dunno, you could be right. But Telltale of course said “right Sarah has to die here, we must make sure everyone else is safe and do nothing”
Trailer.
The deck was arguably double/actually Jane's fault, but I suppose I could give her 12.5% credit for having to be badgered into ac… moretually doing something, only to fuck it up.
Because if it’s the deck, there was really nothing anyone could do to save Sarah.
Sure there was. They just didn't try hard enough. Which is to say they were ironically pretty damn non-cooperative or even very prompt in doing so.
I am not sure what you mean when you say “letting” an 11 year old sit there and watch when no one was making her watch Sarah die.
I've only seen that scene online maybe twice, but that's just kinda what immediately ran through my head when I saw that.
I guess the end-question would be if you think Kenny is dangerous like Jane does. If you think a child is in danger, would you just leave he… morer? If you just think Jane wants her way, I guess we would have to agree to disagree. But if, like I think, Jane was put between a rock and a hard place, then she didn't have many choices. Remember she already spoke to Clem in the truck after Kenny left and tried to drive off without him. Despite Clem's maturity, she's still a kid. Maybe Jane felt that Clem couldn't protect herself from Kenny and she had to intercede.
Because she felt she had no choice. She calculated, and rightfully so, that AL would survive for the amount of time he was left there. She put her life on the line.
It just shows her character she only cares about herself. Kenny sacrificed his chances at a good community for them. Jane throws a baby in a freezing car then kills herself days later because she’s pregnant from something she did.
Because she felt she had no choice. She calculated, and rightfully so, that AL would survive for the amount of time he was left there. She put her life on the line.
It just shows her character she only cares about herself. Kenny sacrificed his chances at a good community for them. Jane throws a baby in a freezing car then kills herself days later because she’s pregnant from something she did.
You know what’s safe hanging yourself and knowing you will turn. Leaving a child and a baby alone with your zombified body to be found by said children.
She had no choice??? Oh she had a choice, three in fact. She didn’t have to do what she did, she could have asked Clem what she wanted, left on her own or accepted the plan. She sickeningly used the baby to fuck with a man’s emotions. It’s sick and disturbing.
Because she felt she had no choice. She calculated, and rightfully so, that AL would survive for the amount of time he was left there. She put her life on the line.
I really wouldn't give her that much credit to use to use the word "calculated" there. Given how much time she would've have to do so, I kinda get the feeling she saw a chance to "prove" herself right and just stashed him there when she finally found the spot because it was convenient.
See, interestingly enough, I feel that aspect of it would arguably make more sense with Luke.
Because she felt she had no choice. She calculated, and rightfully so, that AL would survive for the amount of time he was left there. She put her life on the line.
Not to mention that if the noose had snapped, zombie Jane would have been able to get out of the room as it was slightly ajar and kill Clem and AJ whilst they were sleeping.
You know what’s safe hanging yourself and knowing you will turn. Leaving a child and a baby alone with your zombified body to be found by said children.
you know what's safe, driving into a snowstorm with no idea of where you're going
Going back miles and miles after already travelling for hours in the opposite direction isn’t any safer and is just as stupid given the lack of petrol/gas supply they were already struggling with. I have also said numerous times in the past that going back to Howe’s isn’t a sure thing either due to not knowing whether the herd has moved on or if anyone from Carver’s crew are still alive who may shoot on sight if they saw anyone come back. The weather was getting worse as well.
You know what’s safe hanging yourself and knowing you will turn. Leaving a child and a baby alone with your zombified body to be found by said children.
You know what’s safe having a little girl sneak up on a armed man. You know what’s safe having sex when your supposed to be securing a deck and keeping watch
know what’s safe having sex when your supposed to be securing a deck and keeping watch
you realize that would have changed nothing, they still would have went up to the deck, and it would collapse and Sarah would die. Jane is not responsible for her death.
Oh by the way, I didn't see anyone else leap down to help Sarah.
You know what’s safe having a little girl sneak up on a armed man. You know what’s safe having sex when your supposed to be securing a deck and keeping watch
You know what's safe, a baby that's able to survive its own birth without any medical supplies or treatment, traveling with it out in the cold, a gunfight, keeping it away from the fireplace while it's freezing out, the frozen lake fuckery, and running with it through a blizzard. All this mind you, with nothing but a blanket, no diapers, and hardly any baby formula.
I'm not saying this to side against you. More so Telltale and their fetish for suspension of disbelief and plot-devices.
Yes she is. She tries to convince Clem that Sarah is beyond saving, and begs for her to pull her up. She doesn't even try if Clem demands her to save Sarah. Mind you, she had a gun, and could've easily taken care of any on coming walkers, along with all those other dumbasses that just stood there on the deck, with their unlimited ammo.
Or are you just gonna say, that's an "out-of-universe" thing, again?
know what’s safe having sex when your supposed to be securing a deck and keeping watch
you realize that would have changed nothing, … morethey still would have went up to the deck, and it would collapse and Sarah would die. Jane is not responsible for her death.
Oh by the way, I didn't see anyone else leap down to help Sarah.
you know what's safe, telling an 11 year old girl to help you attack armed guards with your bare hands
He didn’t specifically say that to her.
He said any help would be good. Once again you miss the whole point of how he was acting irrational due to being scared at their predicament
you realize that would have changed nothing, they still would have went up to the deck, and it would collapse and Sarah would die. Jane is not responsible for her death.
Oh by the way, I didn't see anyone else leap down to help Sarah.
Would have changed nothing? Yes it would, don’t be stupid! If Luke had been keeping an eye out then maybe they could have got Rebecca there earlier and the walkers wouldn’t have followed them. It was Jane’s fault the walkers followed the group due to her making that “offer” to Luke which distracted him from the task at hand. The deck wouldn’t have collapsed and Sarah would still have been alive.
Also Jane only goes down to help if Clem begs her too or stays silent making her feel guilty. She didn’t want to even try to save her just like she didn’t want to at the trailer either
know what’s safe having sex when your supposed to be securing a deck and keeping watch
you realize that would have changed nothing, … morethey still would have went up to the deck, and it would collapse and Sarah would die. Jane is not responsible for her death.
Oh by the way, I didn't see anyone else leap down to help Sarah.
Eh, she was sane enough, I guess. She still agreed with stupid ideas such as fleeing and destroying a safe and well supplied community (because a little complacency was such a huge sacrifice), throwing herself and the group to the middle of a raging herd while being shot at from above (real smart), and crossing that damn ice lake on what had to be the wider crossing they could find (like, seriously...).
But alas, if a blind eye isn't turned on these three situations literally every single character in S2 was a stupid mouth breather.
She really did have the smartest ideas and plans, which all proved to have ended up profiting once put in practice. She did more for the group than people give her credit for. She is the one who saved Rebecca from the herd, who had the skill to get that observation deck open, the one who considered doing something morally corrupt only to give Rebecca a more comfortable labor, and really the only one who moved a straw to go out there and save Luke at that trailer park. I can say without a doubt that she is the reason AJ lives. I dare even say that she was pretty much the one leading and actively trying to keep the group functioning throughout No Going Back. Up until the point where Kenny becomes unbending on parting on a suicide mission, that is.
Of course, this is all somehow overshadowed by Sarah's death, which is, through some mysterious reality bending, actually pinned on Jane rather than Sarah herself (you know, the person actually endangering everyone by refusing to move), as if somehow Jane was the one making Sarah choose not to move on both occasions and as if Luke being at Parker's when the smaller herd hit would've changed a thing considering he wasn't even scouting through the woods in the first place but only out in open places. Oh and we should also disregard that she is the only one actually ever being thrown into the frying pan every time the player orders her to risk her neck for the girl. And I kid you not when I say that I find this an insanely interesting phenomena: the one person who ever actively does anything to save that girl is the one people decide to pin the girl's death into. Hilarious.
I'll be the first one to admit, if Clem insisted on sticking with Kenny and his bullocks plan, then Jane should've let her go. Saved herself. However, the game shouldn't force Clem to object when Jane asks Clem, to her face, if Clem wanted to leave, because Jane didn't need that stunt to have me realize Kenny was a hazard, I would've said yes, just like I did with Mike and Bonnie.
Jane was without a doubt the highest functioning and most productive member of the S2 cast. Everyone else was pretty much passive when it came to making big decisions or otherwise just had plainly dumb ideas. Again, not that Jane didn't have some of those by her own, but what she did of good for the group honestly overshadows that. Does what she did by the end of the season define her as disturbed? I wouldn't say so. She was pointing out a fact: Kenny was going insane and needed a wake up call to get over his own insanity. Her plan was very, um, creative and high risk, and well, it easily spiraled out of control, but something definitely needed to be done, he was not alright and one way or another her plan fixed that.
Decent post, you always make great points but i still obviously disagree with you in areas that i have discussed numerous times before.
Fact is Jane DID NOT need to do what she did because Clem can see how Kenny was, she’s a smart girl, and she’s known him to come back from just as bad shitty situations he had been through. Jane assumed she didn’t see what he was like and so she forced a situation onto her which not only put Clem in danger but herself and the baby that she used as a sick tool of persecution towards an unstable man. She never once asked Clem if she wanted to stay with Kenny or go back to Howe’s with her.
So no, nothing “needed” to be done. Nothing would have happened and no one would have died, Kenny wouldn’t have tried to kill Jane if she hadn’t done anything, it wasn’t like Arvo who had previously been a threat to him. He at least had “some” level of trust with her but not much obviously. He would have even put up with her like he put up with the rest of the group he was stuck with. He may not have liked her, sure he had an argument in the car with her and it got very heated but he still checked to see if she was ok when the car span out of control which speaks volumes to me regardless of what the haters think. He definitely would have accepted her for Clem’s sake, that i know. She brought it on herself needlessy because she thought she knew what was best for Clem and quite frankly she certainly did not.
Anyway I don’t want this to spark another week long debate with you like in the past. Hope all is well with you @IronWoodLover
Eh, she was sane enough, I guess. She still agreed with stupid ideas such as fleeing and destroying a safe and well supplied community (beca… moreuse a little complacency was such a huge sacrifice), throwing herself and the group to the middle of a raging herd while being shot at from above (real smart), and crossing that damn ice lake on what had to be the wider crossing they could find (like, seriously...).
But alas, if a blind eye isn't turned on these three situations literally every single character in S2 was a stupid mouth breather.
She really did have the smartest ideas and plans, which all proved to have ended up profiting once put in practice. She did more for the group than people give her credit for. She is the one who saved Rebecca from the herd, who had the skill to get that observation deck open, the one who considered doing something morally corrupt only to give Rebecca a more comfortable labor, and really the only one who move… [view original content]
She never once asked Clem if she wanted to stay with Kenny or go back to Howe’s with her.
She actually kind of does. "Clem, we could leave. Right now." to which the game has Clem object. It doesn't let you simply say "Yes".
Kenny was not ok. Something did need to be done. Random outbursts of violence are not normal behavior, and it being the apocalypse is doesn't change that. Furthermore, he wasn't approachable. At all. Sure, he posed no immediate danger, but immediate danger is not the point. The point is that they were being led into what was quite literally a suicide plan. And even if Jane had agreed to it (this being, of course, in the dream land where AJ survives a 9 day trip to Ohio with 1 day of formula and below 0 temperatures with nothing but a blanket), what about long term? Would it be all about what Kenny wanted? Would they follow his word and his word only?
And you can't really blame Jane for not trying with him. It's not like she didn't try to talk him out of it repeatedly before doing what she did. When you believe you and others are being quite literally led to your death, you're going to tell me you won't be resorting to whatever drastic measures are necessary?
Now something I've been wondering about is how much Kenny murdering Jane actually contributed to him winding down his behavior in all of his endings. Like the killing of Jane made him realize "maybe I've gone a little too far, I need to take a step back". That's what I meant when I said that perhaps her plan fixed him one way or another. He needed a bump in the head. Maybe if he hadn't charged at her after she sheathed her weapon that is what would've happened. Everyone alive, and perhaps, just perhaps, Kenny recognizing he was a little too erratic and impulsive at the moment.
Decent post, you always make great points but i still obviously disagree with you in areas that i have discussed numerous times before.
F… moreact is Jane DID NOT need to do what she did because Clem can see how Kenny was, she’s a smart girl, and she’s known him to come back from just as bad shitty situations he had been through. Jane assumed she didn’t see what he was like and so she forced a situation onto her which not only put Clem in danger but herself and the baby that she used as a sick tool of persecution towards an unstable man. She never once asked Clem if she wanted to stay with Kenny or go back to Howe’s with her.
So no, nothing “needed” to be done. Nothing would have happened and no one would have died, Kenny wouldn’t have tried to kill Jane if she hadn’t done anything, it wasn’t like Arvo who had previously been a threat to him. He at least had “some” level of trust with her but not much obviously. He would have even put up with… [view original content]
you realize that would have changed nothing, they still would have went up to the deck, and it would collapse and Sarah would die. Jane is n… moreot responsible for her death.
Oh by the way, I didn't see anyone else leap down to help Sarah.
Would have changed nothing? Yes it would, don’t be stupid! If Luke had been keeping an eye out then maybe they could have got Rebecca there earlier and the walkers wouldn’t have followed them. It was Jane’s fault the walkers followed the group due to her making that “offer” to Luke which distracted him from the task at hand. The deck wouldn’t have collapsed and Sarah would still have been alive.
Also Jane only goes down to help if Clem begs her too or stays silent making her feel guilty. She didn’t want to even try to save her just like she didn’t want to at the trailer either
you know what's safe, telling an 11 year old girl to help you attack armed guards with your bare hands
He didn’t specifically say th… moreat to her.
He said any help would be good. Once again you miss the whole point of how he was acting irrational due to being scared at their predicament
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Lol and yet it’s exactly the same with you. Someone mentions Kenny in a post or you see a topic with his name in the title and then the Hate Mobile you drive pulls up at the side of the road and out you get and start blurting shit about Kenny to make yourself feel better.
No. Arvo shot Clem because she had killed his sister. He didn’t know she had already turned but you can clearly see he hates her for putting her down. You’re actually wrong on this but no surprise you have to put the blame on your favourite character.
And again Kenny is not disturbed. He lacks sense during extreme worrying situations but that doesn’t make him disturbed at all. Reckless maybe but not disturbed. Disturbing is putting a newborn in a freezing car, putting it’s life in danger and because proving a point and forcing a decision on an 11 year old girl is more important to her all because she didn’t want to be alone.
As i said they're gonna add this "third person camera angle" Life Is Strange had so i'm expecting plenty of gameplay,and i agree with the episode lengths.
But that's the only good thing they should learn from them,the characters in Life Is Strange were really meh but that's just my opinion on the game.
I'm also expecting to see some good soundtrack like in season 1 and 2.
No offense to Jared Emerson-Johnson but they re-used a lot of soundtracks from season 2 in A New Frontier and i didn't like that.
But this is off topic so i'm gonna stop talking about that now.
Fair enough
I love how immediately picking the elipses option just has them stand there the whole waiting period for some reason.
Also, "Clementine. You made it. I'm acting."
I wanna say it's less him blaming her .
Or/and because she knew him longer and has less of him going off on her again.
Interesting attention to detail there, considering Mike is the one who gets Kenny out of the herd regardless and was the one who tried to talking to him afterwards only to the yelled at.
Well, considering his introduction had him unable to even hold his gun steady in self-defense before admitting he really doesn't want to use it, not to mention he was retaining some degree of patience and civility towards her afterwards despite his grudge, I'd more than say Kenny definitely played a part in getting him to that point.
Also, I really don't think that was as much of a factor as people tend to think it is. After all, it's entirely possible. We simply don't know for sure because the narrative never clues us in on his understanding one way or the other.
And, as harsh as it is to say, I don't think that specific aspect would've mattered much anyway--Natasha turned because she died of a gunshot wound. She got shot because things escalated to the point that the already aggressive Buricko returned fire when Clementine/Kenny/Kenny shot Rebecca's Walker. Things escalated from a standoff due to the Howe's Ski Cabin Group putting up their guard against being robbed. And the Russian Group came after them in the first place because Clementine and Jane ambushed and robbed him at the Observation Deck to begin with.
So either way, things trace back to Clementine surprising him at the Deck and determinately participating directly in things getting to that point.
Or letting said 11 year old sit there and watch her not really that much older friend with psychological be killed by a herd because she was traumatized by having her parent and guardian suddenly be killed in front of her. While doing absolutely nothing to help the situation before, during, or after it escalated to dangerous levels.
No, i completely disagree. Arvo shot Clem because he wanted to. Even if you do nothing, even if you ask to go with Mike he still shoots you and he didn’t need to but he wanted to. Just look at his face. And I’m sorry I don’t put the blame on Kenny at all for Arvo doing that and of course nothing will make me think otherwise. By all means blame Kenny for Mike/Bonnie wanting to leave as Mike confirms thats the case where as Arvo is just speculation as you kind of said. We don’t know for sure what was going through his head. The point is he shot her and he can go to hell for that
Are you referring to the trailer or deck? Because if it’s the deck, there was really nothing anyone could do to save Sarah. I am not sure what you mean when you say “letting” an 11 year old sit there and watch when no one was making her watch Sarah die. Sorry I’m contused?
Trailer.
The deck was arguably double/actually Jane's fault, but I suppose I could give her 12.5% credit for having to be badgered into actually doing something, only to fuck it up.
Sure there was. They just didn't try hard enough. Which is to say they were ironically pretty damn non-cooperative or even very prompt in doing so.
I've only seen that scene online maybe twice, but that's just kinda what immediately ran through my head when I saw that.
My favorite part is when Mike & Bonnie only attempt to shoot some walkers with their unlimited ammo, if you demand Jane to save her, even after Bonnie says, "Sarah hang on!"
Pretty much.
Goes to show you that fuckin over Sarah was THE priority of that seemingly afterthought scene.
Well yes and no. They could have sent more people down to help but at a risk of losing more people. I dunno, you could be right. But Telltale of course said “right Sarah has to die here, we must make sure everyone else is safe and do nothing”
But she did leave a child. She left a newborn in a blanket by its self in a freezing car in the snow.
Because she felt she had no choice. She calculated, and rightfully so, that AL would survive for the amount of time he was left there. She put her life on the line.
You know what’s safe locking a baby in a cold car by itself. Dumb idea just dumb.
It just shows her character she only cares about herself. Kenny sacrificed his chances at a good community for them. Jane throws a baby in a freezing car then kills herself days later because she’s pregnant from something she did.
It's funny how people see things differently.
Aside from maybe the first sentence, that's essentially what happens.
you know what's safe, driving into a snowstorm with no idea of where you're going
You know what’s safe hanging yourself and knowing you will turn. Leaving a child and a baby alone with your zombified body to be found by said children.
She had no choice??? Oh she had a choice, three in fact. She didn’t have to do what she did, she could have asked Clem what she wanted, left on her own or accepted the plan. She sickeningly used the baby to fuck with a man’s emotions. It’s sick and disturbing.
This thread right now
Thats unfortunately what happens when someone makes a thread about Kenny or Jane i’m afraid!
I really wouldn't give her that much credit to use to use the word "calculated" there. Given how much time she would've have to do so, I kinda get the feeling she saw a chance to "prove" herself right and just stashed him there when she finally found the spot because it was convenient.
See, interestingly enough, I feel that aspect of it would arguably make more sense with Luke.
Yeah
Not to mention that if the noose had snapped, zombie Jane would have been able to get out of the room as it was slightly ajar and kill Clem and AJ whilst they were sleeping.
Fuck Jane.
Going back miles and miles after already travelling for hours in the opposite direction isn’t any safer and is just as stupid given the lack of petrol/gas supply they were already struggling with. I have also said numerous times in the past that going back to Howe’s isn’t a sure thing either due to not knowing whether the herd has moved on or if anyone from Carver’s crew are still alive who may shoot on sight if they saw anyone come back. The weather was getting worse as well.
Haha very true! Kenny and Jane, especially Kenny is and has been around long after they’re gone
you know what's safe, telling an 11 year old girl to help you attack armed guards with your bare hands
You know what’s safe having a little girl sneak up on a armed man. You know what’s safe having sex when your supposed to be securing a deck and keeping watch
you realize that would have changed nothing, they still would have went up to the deck, and it would collapse and Sarah would die. Jane is not responsible for her death.
Oh by the way, I didn't see anyone else leap down to help Sarah.
You know what's safe, a baby that's able to survive its own birth without any medical supplies or treatment, traveling with it out in the cold, a gunfight, keeping it away from the fireplace while it's freezing out, the frozen lake fuckery, and running with it through a blizzard. All this mind you, with nothing but a blanket, no diapers, and hardly any baby formula.
I'm not saying this to side against you. More so Telltale and their fetish for suspension of disbelief and plot-devices.
Yes she is. She tries to convince Clem that Sarah is beyond saving, and begs for her to pull her up. She doesn't even try if Clem demands her to save Sarah. Mind you, she had a gun, and could've easily taken care of any on coming walkers, along with all those other dumbasses that just stood there on the deck, with their unlimited ammo.
Or are you just gonna say, that's an "out-of-universe" thing, again?
He didn’t specifically say that to her.
He said any help would be good. Once again you miss the whole point of how he was acting irrational due to being scared at their predicament
Would have changed nothing? Yes it would, don’t be stupid! If Luke had been keeping an eye out then maybe they could have got Rebecca there earlier and the walkers wouldn’t have followed them. It was Jane’s fault the walkers followed the group due to her making that “offer” to Luke which distracted him from the task at hand. The deck wouldn’t have collapsed and Sarah would still have been alive.
Also Jane only goes down to help if Clem begs her too or stays silent making her feel guilty. She didn’t want to even try to save her just like she didn’t want to at the trailer either
Eh, she was sane enough, I guess. She still agreed with stupid ideas such as fleeing and destroying a safe and well supplied community (because a little complacency was such a huge sacrifice), throwing herself and the group to the middle of a raging herd while being shot at from above (real smart), and crossing that damn ice lake on what had to be the wider crossing they could find (like, seriously...).
But alas, if a blind eye isn't turned on these three situations literally every single character in S2 was a stupid mouth breather.
She really did have the smartest ideas and plans, which all proved to have ended up profiting once put in practice. She did more for the group than people give her credit for. She is the one who saved Rebecca from the herd, who had the skill to get that observation deck open, the one who considered doing something morally corrupt only to give Rebecca a more comfortable labor, and really the only one who moved a straw to go out there and save Luke at that trailer park. I can say without a doubt that she is the reason AJ lives. I dare even say that she was pretty much the one leading and actively trying to keep the group functioning throughout No Going Back. Up until the point where Kenny becomes unbending on parting on a suicide mission, that is.
Of course, this is all somehow overshadowed by Sarah's death, which is, through some mysterious reality bending, actually pinned on Jane rather than Sarah herself (you know, the person actually endangering everyone by refusing to move), as if somehow Jane was the one making Sarah choose not to move on both occasions and as if Luke being at Parker's when the smaller herd hit would've changed a thing considering he wasn't even scouting through the woods in the first place but only out in open places. Oh and we should also disregard that she is the only one actually ever being thrown into the frying pan every time the player orders her to risk her neck for the girl. And I kid you not when I say that I find this an insanely interesting phenomena: the one person who ever actively does anything to save that girl is the one people decide to pin the girl's death into. Hilarious.
I'll be the first one to admit, if Clem insisted on sticking with Kenny and his bullocks plan, then Jane should've let her go. Saved herself. However, the game shouldn't force Clem to object when Jane asks Clem, to her face, if Clem wanted to leave, because Jane didn't need that stunt to have me realize Kenny was a hazard, I would've said yes, just like I did with Mike and Bonnie.
Jane was without a doubt the highest functioning and most productive member of the S2 cast. Everyone else was pretty much passive when it came to making big decisions or otherwise just had plainly dumb ideas. Again, not that Jane didn't have some of those by her own, but what she did of good for the group honestly overshadows that. Does what she did by the end of the season define her as disturbed? I wouldn't say so. She was pointing out a fact: Kenny was going insane and needed a wake up call to get over his own insanity. Her plan was very, um, creative and high risk, and well, it easily spiraled out of control, but something definitely needed to be done, he was not alright and one way or another her plan fixed that.
Decent post, you always make great points but i still obviously disagree with you in areas that i have discussed numerous times before.
Fact is Jane DID NOT need to do what she did because Clem can see how Kenny was, she’s a smart girl, and she’s known him to come back from just as bad shitty situations he had been through. Jane assumed she didn’t see what he was like and so she forced a situation onto her which not only put Clem in danger but herself and the baby that she used as a sick tool of persecution towards an unstable man. She never once asked Clem if she wanted to stay with Kenny or go back to Howe’s with her.
So no, nothing “needed” to be done. Nothing would have happened and no one would have died, Kenny wouldn’t have tried to kill Jane if she hadn’t done anything, it wasn’t like Arvo who had previously been a threat to him. He at least had “some” level of trust with her but not much obviously. He would have even put up with her like he put up with the rest of the group he was stuck with. He may not have liked her, sure he had an argument in the car with her and it got very heated but he still checked to see if she was ok when the car span out of control which speaks volumes to me regardless of what the haters think. He definitely would have accepted her for Clem’s sake, that i know. She brought it on herself needlessy because she thought she knew what was best for Clem and quite frankly she certainly did not.
Anyway I don’t want this to spark another week long debate with you like in the past. Hope all is well with you @IronWoodLover
Hope all is well with you too dan :^)
She actually kind of does. "Clem, we could leave. Right now." to which the game has Clem object. It doesn't let you simply say "Yes".
Kenny was not ok. Something did need to be done. Random outbursts of violence are not normal behavior, and it being the apocalypse is doesn't change that. Furthermore, he wasn't approachable. At all. Sure, he posed no immediate danger, but immediate danger is not the point. The point is that they were being led into what was quite literally a suicide plan. And even if Jane had agreed to it (this being, of course, in the dream land where AJ survives a 9 day trip to Ohio with 1 day of formula and below 0 temperatures with nothing but a blanket), what about long term? Would it be all about what Kenny wanted? Would they follow his word and his word only?
And you can't really blame Jane for not trying with him. It's not like she didn't try to talk him out of it repeatedly before doing what she did. When you believe you and others are being quite literally led to your death, you're going to tell me you won't be resorting to whatever drastic measures are necessary?
Now something I've been wondering about is how much Kenny murdering Jane actually contributed to him winding down his behavior in all of his endings. Like the killing of Jane made him realize "maybe I've gone a little too far, I need to take a step back". That's what I meant when I said that perhaps her plan fixed him one way or another. He needed a bump in the head. Maybe if he hadn't charged at her after she sheathed her weapon that is what would've happened. Everyone alive, and perhaps, just perhaps, Kenny recognizing he was a little too erratic and impulsive at the moment.
Oh, so Luke has no agency? He's just a little boy that got seduced by big, bad Jane?
he implied it.
I think Kenny already had brain damage when we meet him in season 2, tbh.
He makes season 1 Kenny look rational by comparison.