ah... okay. THX Carlos!!
the safe landing option would make sense although there is no evidence (well at least the nearly perfect shape of the 1885-Delorean in the cave).
No problem
Granted, there's no evidence, but that's just how the World works:
Driving a car, carrying a gun and selling/installing self-constructed cars/parts have a thing in common: You need a license to do it. You get a license when an authority (an entity that is recognized as expert by the government) dims you capable of doing/manufacturing it safely according to its standards and/or is safe to use it.
A standard Hover conversion needs to be certified as safe and usable (specially if the Police is going to use it too), so it needs to have built-in mechanisms to make it so. That's why you can find oxygen masks, life jackets, inflatable rafts and redundant electronics in a plane.
No fail-safe landing device means that there's no way to maneuver the DeLorean after it got struck by lightning, as you're basically trying to steer a falling brick: No wings, no flaps, no engine, no landing gear... So:
1885: Doc gets severely injured in a car with a twisted frame, broken axles and no airbags that crashed on the desert (no-one around).
2025: Doc gets killed in a shredded car that crashed into a Lyon Estates house, maybe killing someone else.
I only got the hint from BTTF:HV. When I got struck by a lightning when hovering in a BTTF2-Delorean the hover-mode was destroyed and my car was falling hundreds of feet to the ground.
The game engine is crazy . You can fall off a 20-story building and have 5 health points off (from 200), but if you fall on water, you're definitively wasted.
BTTF:HV has a fail-safe that returns the wheels to their original position, but adding the hover-safely-to-ground part is useless due to my previous statement.
Maybe the arrest of the hoverboard-gang in 2015 had a very bad influence on the whole Tannen family. This is why Biff tells Griff about the time machine, when he leaves the prison (was he taken to prison in BTTF2?). Well at least Griff can't find anywhere a certain Doc brown with a Delorean for a whole 10 years when he accidentially stumbles upon the left behind dublicate Delorean of dublicate Doc near Lyon Estates. Now he has an idea: travelling back to 2015 and prevent Marty McFly (Jr.) to fool Griffs gang at Courthouse Square.
Another quote:
"Buttheads...*sigh*"
-Biff Tannen (Oct. 21, 2015. After Griff and his gang crashed into the CourtHouse)
Biff doesn't care for Griff anymore and maybe he never did. Is he going to visit his bully/grandson in jail after he found about the time machine? I think he'll be more interested in the results of his trip, if he survived.
Now, he might get diabolical and set his grandson to do something with the time machine, but would Griff listen to his 78-years-ol', cranky, car-waxing gramps?. I think he'd tag him as a looney and, if he believes him and finds the time machine, he had 10 years to write his own agenda: He's as selfish as grandpa...
And maybe he's not, but isn't it out of character?
Anyway, he found the DeLorean. If Biff told him, I don't think he had any influence in him.
We're getting really off-topic. I still accept the explanation, but I still don't like it by the same reasons.
...okay. I see carlos actually lives IN the BTTF universe, this is why he thinks about EVERY aspect in the trilogy even about peoples personality IN DETAIL!!
well 2 more things:
who the heck are the women of all these TANNENS? we never got shown any (just a short overview in 1985A in the Biff Tannen Museum). Maybe all the Bjufords, Kids, Biffs, Griffs and Ziffs are results from ONS (one-night-stands).
What IF episode Double Visions opens with that:
TUESDAY,
DECEMBER 31st 2024
11:59 pm
Fade from black to the modernized Lyon Estates signs which are illuminated in the night. There is clearly a lot of party noise in the background. To the left over the trees you can see a pyrotechnics flashing the sky.
A futuristic cab enters the scene from the left and stops at the street. You can see the brand "Luxor Cabs" at the side, the back door opens and some obviously drunk teens get out of the car with champagner in their hands.
The cab leaves and the young people head on into Lyon Estates, stumbling, singing and laughing. From some houses you can see people coming onto the street, more fireworks lightning the sky. Then the camera slowly turns to the right and up into the dark sky. In the background you can see a distant skyway with hovering cars. Actually it seems a lot of traffic. Suddenly you can hear a countdown in the background. People are shouting: Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven...
More fireworks are illuminating the sky.
Six, five, four, three, two, one.
Sudden fireworks appear also very closely. Bright, colorful and loud. Mixed into this noisiness you can clearly hear the reentry sounds of the Delorean and the blue wormhole flashings fit nearly perfectly all the sourrounding pyrotechnics when the spinning hovering Delorean appears. People are cheering, definately in good mood and do not seem very irritated by the Delorean. The whole scenario is mindblowing.
The time machine finally stops spinning, the wheels are turning upwards and it lands savely next to the Lyon Estates signs. The camera moves toward the frozen car and zooms to the drivers door which suddenly opens with a lot of vapor coming out when a very confused Doc - clothed like at the end of BTTF 2 - stumbles out of the car. Starring in disbelief he says: "Great Scott!"
Then the BTTF logo appears with Silvestri's Soundtrack.
Now, seeing the date for your story. I thought of something:
Doc got sent back to January 1st, 1885 from November 12th, 1955. That's 70 years, 10 months and 12 days back (25,882 days, counting 16 leap years and that by 9:00-ish p.m., that day had almost ended), right?.
Now, 70 years, 10 months and 12 days forward should be around September 22, 2026 (25882 days added to the time jump: Tuesday, September 22th, 2026, 19:00-ish, supossing time travel ocurred after 21:30 and before 22:00), shouldn't it?
If the DeLorean is a "mirror" duplicate, shouldn't it appear on that date instead of 2025?
Now, seeing the date for your story. I thought of something:
Doc got sent back to January 1st, 1885 from November 12th, 1955. That's 70 years, 10 months and 12 days back (25,882 days, counting 16 leap years and that by 9:00-ish p.m., that day had almost ended), right?.
Now, 70 years, 10 months and 12 days forward should be around September 22, 2026 (25882 days added to the time jump: Tuesday, September 22th, 2026), shouldn't it?
If the DeLorean is a "mirror" duplicate, shouldn't it appear on that date instead of 2025?
everytime when I think I am very accurate and sticking to details in the BTTF universe THIS guy shows up and clearly blows my mind away :eek:
if we mirror it completely you are right! First I just thought about the glitch in the time travel circuits which showed Jan 01 1885 12:00PM. Because of the fact that every field was set to the beginning (month > 01; day > 01; 12:00PM should be 0:00 in 24h format which is midnight or beginning of day) I transferred it that only the year was mirrored. But I think if you want to actually argue with a dublication/mirror theory, SEP 22 2026 12:00PM would be the most accurate answer.
So no reentry of the dublicate Delorean at Lyon Estates on silvester 2024/25.
Could the time circuits had only taken the year to calculate fourth-dimensional coordinates before the microchip burned out, leaving everything else default, like 1885-01-01-0000/2025-01-01-0000?
mirror mirror on the wall - what's the meaning of this?
when the time circuits are glitching it makes some sort of sense that the fields take the first available value. eg. if your digital watch is out of battery and you put in a new one it starts with 0:00:00.
But this would indicate that the time circuits should be set to JAN-01-0000-12.00PM or JAN-01-0000-00:00 which would be the same. But it was 1885 (and obviously 2025 because of the gigawatt overload).
However, think of the coordinates as a map search: Going "Continent -> Country -> State -> City -> Street" should be the most efficient way. Apply this to time travel and you have "Year -> Month -> Day -> Hour -> Minute" and you have accurate and efficient temporal mapping in variables. But why are the time circuits arranged as "Month - Day - Year - Hour:Minute"?, because it's easier to read, say and input. It's a well-thought Man-Machine interface
Could the time circuits had only taken the year to calculate fourth-dimensional coordinates before the microchip burned out, leaving everything else default, like 1885-01-01-0000/2025-01-01-0000?
That's what I think, especially since the time circuits were displaying 01-01-1885. Or JAN 01 1885.
I see threads here discussing how the delorean was spliced and ended up in 2025 as well as 1885. I just played through the episode entirely and did not see this discussion. Where does doc explain where the new delorean came from?
An alternate theory: Griff had already gotten his hands on the Delorean in 2026, managed to fix it and driven it back to some time in 2025 as a test, which is where Doc found him and the car. Heck, Griff might not even have found it in 2026. He might have found it any amount of time later during his lifetime, especially if he was still in prison in 2026.
Of course, this might be completely wrong, depending on how Doc phrased it. If he explicitly stated that the second Delorean traveled to 2025, then Carlos85G's explanation is the best one - the time circuits were too messed up to do all the math involved so they just counted years and rounded to New Year's Day. Give the man a No-Prize. I'm still waiting for mine for stating that the newspaper box in Sam and Max 102 was stuck, explaining why its headline stated that Brady Culture had recently been freed when he was already dead by then. No respect for geeks these days.
I'm not sure how i feel about it. Personally I don't think the lightning strike at the end of part II specifically sent doc back 70 years on purpose. We see twice before that the time circuits flickering January 1st 1885. So personally I believe that 70 years back in time was not the key, 1885 was.
I'm assuming theres something in the time circuits that tells it whether to travel forward or backwards; it calculates the difference between the current time and destination time and figures out where to send the DeLorean. So maybe a + or - sign tells it whether to go to the past or the future but somehow the lightning strike confuses it and it sends it in both directions. Or maybe it flickers 1885 and 2025, we just only see 1885
The issue with one variable that sends the time machine forward or backward in time is that then the complete variable to set the destination time has to be mirrored, so that the DeLorean would end up in JAN-01-1885 (18850101: -25,882) / SEP-22-2026 (20260922: +25,882), where the count is started from the Present Time. Although if the input variables sans Years (-70,+70) get defaulted prior to conversion for the flux capacitor, it could work [ JAN-01-1885 ( 18850101: +25,882 ) / JAN-01-2025 ( 20250101: -25,253 ) ].
However, this would also work with a multi-variable system, where every input variable except for Years went default, going JAN-01-1885 (18850101: -70; -10; -12; ) / JAN-01-2025 (20250101: +69; +01; +20; ), with Present Time as reference. One-Variable or Multi-Variable, if the input variables except Year get defaulted prior to converting for the flux capacitor, the theory works.
Time circuits send these two sets of variables to the flux capacitor instead of only one and we have what we got.
And... It still defies Thermodynamics and Conservation of Matter .
My brain is full of BILLIONS and BILLIONS of F*CK! /sagan
I haven't read all the thread. I only want to show my thoughts (maybe several of you think the same):
To me, the duplicate DeLorean explanation is OK. The only thing is that, if there is a duplicate DeLorean, it should be a duplicate Doc too. They don't say anything about this, and I think we'll meet this duplicate Doc on next episodes.
When I saw that the time circuits were glitchy, I instantly thought that the delorian was from inbetween BTTF1 and BTTF2 during whatever doc was doing before the hover conversion. This way the doc that we encounter could have been the doc before he gets married and has kids and then theres no need to involve that story arc, Marty would just need to keep his mouth shut about future events.
I also hate the fact that in the movie Biff was able to travel back to his original future although he'd just gone to change his past.. so perhaps there could be a Telltale episode to 'Iron out' that paradox.
I found the Game explanation of the Delorian a bit like a one line cover up rather than something that made sence, If they explain it in later episodes thats ok.
If the writers can think 4th dimensionally
Perhaps these episodes can just create a HUGE Dimension swallowing paradox and we can all start back from the beginning in a BTTF REBOOT!
When I saw that the time circuits were glitchy, I instantly thought that the delorian was from inbetween BTTF1 and BTTF2 during whatever doc was doing before the hover conversion. This way the doc that we encounter could have been the doc before he gets married and has kids and then theres no need to involve that story arc, Marty would just need to keep his mouth shut about future events.
For me, it only works as a vignette, as Marty can't remember events that haven't happened yet (Pre-BTTF2-Doc can only visit Pre-BTTF2-Marty in the Future, as the Future isn't written). Ripple effect.
I also hate the fact that in the movie Biff was able to travel back to his original future although he'd just gone to change his past.. so perhaps there could be a Telltale episode to 'Iron out' that paradox.
I found the Game explanation of the Delorian a bit like a one line cover up rather than something that made sence, If they explain it in later episodes thats ok.
If the writers can think 4th dimensionally
I hope they flesh out the explanation a little more
And again I wonder why people keep going back to the idea that Doc wasn't telling the truth when Marty asked about the DeLorean. Doc has never once in the movies outright lied to Marty. Kept things from him, yes, in the case that it might alter Marty's future for the worse(Doc wouldn't know for sure), but he's never fabricated a statement that was later proven to be a lie.
Logic aside, on an artistic level, I suspect the Delorean being a temporal duplicate- that is to say, arguably just as much the original as the other one seen in part III which got destroyed by a train- was decided upon because that means you're (arguably) using THE Delorean in the game, and not just A Delorean, some new one Doc made sometime.
It has a bit more mystique that the original still exists in some form, and that you get to use it in this game, and a bit more sentiment to it; whereas a duplicate would, in a sense, be like saying the whole game is a just a copy, the original says "actually, through a screwed up and convoluted series of events, this is still the original!"- and to be fair, that's actually true of the game itself, what with Bob Gale and Christopher Lloyd's involvement.
Even if Doc building a duplicate for sentimental/preference reasons ("If you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?") or technical reasons ("The stainless steel construction makes the flux dispersal...") makes perfect sense, and the duplication thing is a bit more convoluted, I can see why they went for it.
It's like the reverse of this quote from part III:
Doc: I have to live my life according to what I believe is right in my heart. *puts his hands over his chest*
Marty: Doc, you're a scientist. So you tell me: what's the right thing to do, up here? *points at his forehead*
I think they were going for the emotional thing rather than the logical thing, in this case- or, to be a little cheesy about it, what seemed right in here. *points at her chest*
Also: I strongly suspect Marty's dream is far from a red herring. Besides being an interesting symbolic way to start off the story (and letting us play out the iconic scene where time travel was first tested!), I suspect it has major importance to the end of the story. So does the license plate- just check out the chapter titles. #5 is OUTATIME.
In any case, I think they're allowed to take some artistic license. *hides*
I think they were going for the emotional thing rather than the logical thing, in this case- or, to be a little cheesy about it, what seemed right in here. *points at her chest*
I strongly suspect Marty's dream is far from a red herring. Besides being an interesting symbolic way to start off the story (and letting us play out the iconic scene where time travel was first tested!), I suspect it has major importance to the end of the story. So does the license plate- just check out the chapter titles. #5 is OUTATIME.
I agree with you about the dream.
In the movie the licence plate was also OUTATIME. I will get a screen shot to confirm...
Personally I feel like this explanation (although there may be more to it that we don't know yet) fits just fine. I'm all for fan-fic'ing possible alternative explanations.....but COME ON! We are talking about a game based off a series of movies featuring some EXTREME jumps in logic. Example: BTTF 2. Doc says something like "Hey Marty come with me to the future so you can help your kids stay out of jail" What Marty should have said: "Why go to the future? Didn't we change the future just now, when you mentioned it to me?" Doc: "Oh yeah, since I'm a scientist you think I would've thought of that.".....END OF TRILOGY lol.
What always got me is that the DeLorean was struck by lightning HOVERING. That shit ain't goin' 88 MPH... So I shouldn't be seeing serious shit.
If you follow that logic, Marty coulda sat on the finish line in the first movie and called it quits....
Never sat well with me back in the 80s
It worked well with me because of how I choose to explain the 88 mph thing.
As I see it, what the Delorean is doing is creating a portal in front of the vehicle that it drives through. However, keeping that portal open at a certain size for a certain amount of time takes energy.
Taking all that into consideration, I would propose that the 88mph limit before the portal activates is because that's how fast the car would have to be traveling to safely make it through before the opening in time closes on it and chops it in half.
Doc had been working on this a long time, and by the time we meet him in the 80's, all this had come together for him. He had a power source capable of generating an opening in time long enough to be crossed at speeds that could be reliably reached by a commercial vehicle.
If the time circuits were supercharged, this could have provided enough power to lower that 88mph limit, and make everything work out okay after the lighting bolt activated the thing.
Also, I wasn't sure how it would work to create two objects of matter from one original one without having to expend enormous amounts of energy to do so, though the Star Trek-esque quantum duplicate theory someone previously mentioned also works, I guess... actually, as I write this I wonder just how much energy was transferred to the DeLorean from the lightning strike (since none was visibly transferred all the way to the ground,) versus how much is required to duplicate the DeLorean.
There would be a pretty big discrepancy. Lighting carries so much force because of how quickly it happens (finite amount of energy delivered in a fraction of a second = high flux...yes, the real usage of the word). Now think about atomic energy, and how much is created from the critical mass in an a-bomb (and that isn't even a completely efficient reaction, so only some of that mass is converted to energy), and then work backwards to create a car.
This popping into space thing should be made into an animated "How it should have ended." Einstein the dog would have made it because he was transported only a minute later, but Marty... Well, it's a short movie after all. lol
You can't forget to factor in the lack of a universal frame of reference here though. The idea of the planets and galaxies moving around over time only makes sense as you're traveling with them, and jumping through time messes all that up anyway.
Edit: And the thing I found most interesting about that jail dialogue wasn't even the stuff about the DeLorean, but the stuff about his family. Seems it's been a lot more than just 6 months on his end.
Doc explains in the first Episode when you talk to him that the lightning strike from the 2nd movie's end created an exact copy and sent it to the year 2025. He found out and kept Biff or one of his boys (Can't remember which) from using it to screw up the time stream.
Why do I not remember that? Oh well, thanks. Now the only question is the whole einstien and edna's shoe thing, but there's a different thread for that.
Why do I not remember that? Oh well, thanks. Now the only question is the whole einstien and edna's shoe thing, but there's a different thread for that.
Why do I not remember that? Oh well, thanks. Now the only question is the whole einstien and edna's shoe thing, but there's a different thread for that.
Maybe it has something to do with the changes of events with the cinema, eg the date between Doc & Edna.
Why do I not remember that? Oh well, thanks. Now the only question is the whole einstien and edna's shoe thing, but there's a different thread for that.
It's easy to miss. Basically after you talk to young doc and you go back to doc to find out how to get young doc to help you there it's in all those dialog options. You have to scroll down a bit.
You should see options like why are you in 1931? How did you end up in jail? Time circuits are on the fritz, etc. There are several options and you can miss some if you don't keep scrolling down. When you do one is point blank asking about the Delorean.
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No problem
Granted, there's no evidence, but that's just how the World works:
Driving a car, carrying a gun and selling/installing self-constructed cars/parts have a thing in common: You need a license to do it. You get a license when an authority (an entity that is recognized as expert by the government) dims you capable of doing/manufacturing it safely according to its standards and/or is safe to use it.
A standard Hover conversion needs to be certified as safe and usable (specially if the Police is going to use it too), so it needs to have built-in mechanisms to make it so. That's why you can find oxygen masks, life jackets, inflatable rafts and redundant electronics in a plane.
No fail-safe landing device means that there's no way to maneuver the DeLorean after it got struck by lightning, as you're basically trying to steer a falling brick: No wings, no flaps, no engine, no landing gear... So:
1885: Doc gets severely injured in a car with a twisted frame, broken axles and no airbags that crashed on the desert (no-one around).
2025: Doc gets killed in a shredded car that crashed into a Lyon Estates house, maybe killing someone else.
So, I see such a device as a must-have.
The game engine is crazy
BTTF:HV has a fail-safe that returns the wheels to their original position, but adding the hover-safely-to-ground part is useless due to my previous statement.
Another quote:
Biff doesn't care for Griff anymore and maybe he never did. Is he going to visit his bully/grandson in jail after he found about the time machine? I think he'll be more interested in the results of his trip, if he survived.
Now, he might get diabolical and set his grandson to do something with the time machine, but would Griff listen to his 78-years-ol', cranky, car-waxing gramps?. I think he'd tag him as a looney and, if he believes him and finds the time machine, he had 10 years to write his own agenda: He's as selfish as grandpa...
And maybe he's not, but isn't it out of character?
Anyway, he found the DeLorean. If Biff told him, I don't think he had any influence in him.
We're getting really off-topic. I still accept the explanation, but I still don't like it by the same reasons.
well 2 more things:
who the heck are the women of all these TANNENS? we never got shown any (just a short overview in 1985A in the Biff Tannen Museum). Maybe all the Bjufords, Kids, Biffs, Griffs and Ziffs are results from ONS (one-night-stands).
What IF episode Double Visions opens with that:
TUESDAY,
DECEMBER 31st 2024
11:59 pm
Fade from black to the modernized Lyon Estates signs which are illuminated in the night. There is clearly a lot of party noise in the background. To the left over the trees you can see a pyrotechnics flashing the sky.
A futuristic cab enters the scene from the left and stops at the street. You can see the brand "Luxor Cabs" at the side, the back door opens and some obviously drunk teens get out of the car with champagner in their hands.
The cab leaves and the young people head on into Lyon Estates, stumbling, singing and laughing. From some houses you can see people coming onto the street, more fireworks lightning the sky. Then the camera slowly turns to the right and up into the dark sky. In the background you can see a distant skyway with hovering cars. Actually it seems a lot of traffic. Suddenly you can hear a countdown in the background. People are shouting: Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven...
More fireworks are illuminating the sky.
Six, five, four, three, two, one.
Sudden fireworks appear also very closely. Bright, colorful and loud. Mixed into this noisiness you can clearly hear the reentry sounds of the Delorean and the blue wormhole flashings fit nearly perfectly all the sourrounding pyrotechnics when the spinning hovering Delorean appears. People are cheering, definately in good mood and do not seem very irritated by the Delorean. The whole scenario is mindblowing.
The time machine finally stops spinning, the wheels are turning upwards and it lands savely next to the Lyon Estates signs. The camera moves toward the frozen car and zooms to the drivers door which suddenly opens with a lot of vapor coming out when a very confused Doc - clothed like at the end of BTTF 2 - stumbles out of the car. Starring in disbelief he says: "Great Scott!"
Then the BTTF logo appears with Silvestri's Soundtrack.
Now, seeing the date for your story. I thought of something:
Doc got sent back to January 1st, 1885 from November 12th, 1955. That's 70 years, 10 months and 12 days back (25,882 days, counting 16 leap years and that by 9:00-ish p.m., that day had almost ended), right?.
Now, 70 years, 10 months and 12 days forward should be around September 22, 2026 (25882 days added to the time jump: Tuesday, September 22th, 2026, 19:00-ish, supossing time travel ocurred after 21:30 and before 22:00), shouldn't it?
If the DeLorean is a "mirror" duplicate, shouldn't it appear on that date instead of 2025?
If Biff's kid is based on his kid from the animated series, no.
everytime when I think I am very accurate and sticking to details in the BTTF universe THIS guy shows up and clearly blows my mind away :eek:
if we mirror it completely you are right! First I just thought about the glitch in the time travel circuits which showed Jan 01 1885 12:00PM. Because of the fact that every field was set to the beginning (month > 01; day > 01; 12:00PM should be 0:00 in 24h format which is midnight or beginning of day) I transferred it that only the year was mirrored. But I think if you want to actually argue with a dublication/mirror theory, SEP 22 2026 12:00PM would be the most accurate answer.
So no reentry of the dublicate Delorean at Lyon Estates on silvester 2024/25.
Could the time circuits had only taken the year to calculate fourth-dimensional coordinates before the microchip burned out, leaving everything else default, like 1885-01-01-0000/2025-01-01-0000?
if you look at this it feels fine:
<---1885
1955
2025--->
it has a nice sort of symmetry.
but if you look at this:
<---JAN-01-1885-12.00pm
NOV-12-1955-09.45pm
JAN-01-2025-12.00pm--->
it is NOT SO MUCH a symmetry any more.
mirror mirror on the wall - what's the meaning of this?
when the time circuits are glitching it makes some sort of sense that the fields take the first available value. eg. if your digital watch is out of battery and you put in a new one it starts with 0:00:00.
But this would indicate that the time circuits should be set to JAN-01-0000-12.00PM or JAN-01-0000-00:00 which would be the same. But it was 1885 (and obviously 2025 because of the gigawatt overload).
Of course, all of this is just speculation
That's what I think, especially since the time circuits were displaying 01-01-1885. Or JAN 01 1885.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtxpQ-yRWVY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtxpQ-yRWVY
Of course, this might be completely wrong, depending on how Doc phrased it. If he explicitly stated that the second Delorean traveled to 2025, then Carlos85G's explanation is the best one - the time circuits were too messed up to do all the math involved so they just counted years and rounded to New Year's Day. Give the man a No-Prize. I'm still waiting for mine for stating that the newspaper box in Sam and Max 102 was stuck, explaining why its headline stated that Brady Culture had recently been freed when he was already dead by then. No respect for geeks these days.
And yeah, where's my No-Prize?
I'm not sure how i feel about it. Personally I don't think the lightning strike at the end of part II specifically sent doc back 70 years on purpose. We see twice before that the time circuits flickering January 1st 1885. So personally I believe that 70 years back in time was not the key, 1885 was.
I'm assuming theres something in the time circuits that tells it whether to travel forward or backwards; it calculates the difference between the current time and destination time and figures out where to send the DeLorean. So maybe a + or - sign tells it whether to go to the past or the future but somehow the lightning strike confuses it and it sends it in both directions. Or maybe it flickers 1885 and 2025, we just only see 1885
However, this would also work with a multi-variable system, where every input variable except for Years went default, going JAN-01-1885 (18850101: -70; -10; -12; ) / JAN-01-2025 (20250101: +69; +01; +20; ), with Present Time as reference. One-Variable or Multi-Variable, if the input variables except Year get defaulted prior to converting for the flux capacitor, the theory works.
Time circuits send these two sets of variables to the flux capacitor instead of only one and we have what we got.
And... It still defies Thermodynamics and Conservation of Matter
My brain is full of BILLIONS and BILLIONS of F*CK! /sagan
To me, the duplicate DeLorean explanation is OK. The only thing is that, if there is a duplicate DeLorean, it should be a duplicate Doc too. They don't say anything about this, and I think we'll meet this duplicate Doc on next episodes.
Time travel in general destroys physics. Don't wrack your brain too hard there Carlos.
I also hate the fact that in the movie Biff was able to travel back to his original future although he'd just gone to change his past.. so perhaps there could be a Telltale episode to 'Iron out' that paradox.
I found the Game explanation of the Delorian a bit like a one line cover up rather than something that made sence, If they explain it in later episodes thats ok.
If the writers can think 4th dimensionally
Perhaps these episodes can just create a HUGE Dimension swallowing paradox and we can all start back from the beginning in a BTTF REBOOT!
For me, it only works as a vignette, as Marty can't remember events that haven't happened yet (Pre-BTTF2-Doc can only visit Pre-BTTF2-Marty in the Future, as the Future isn't written). Ripple effect.
According to Bob Gale, he didn't.
I hope they flesh out the explanation a little more
...wait, wut?
And again I wonder why people keep going back to the idea that Doc wasn't telling the truth when Marty asked about the DeLorean. Doc has never once in the movies outright lied to Marty. Kept things from him, yes, in the case that it might alter Marty's future for the worse(Doc wouldn't know for sure), but he's never fabricated a statement that was later proven to be a lie.
It has a bit more mystique that the original still exists in some form, and that you get to use it in this game, and a bit more sentiment to it; whereas a duplicate would, in a sense, be like saying the whole game is a just a copy, the original says "actually, through a screwed up and convoluted series of events, this is still the original!"- and to be fair, that's actually true of the game itself, what with Bob Gale and Christopher Lloyd's involvement.
Even if Doc building a duplicate for sentimental/preference reasons ("If you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?") or technical reasons ("The stainless steel construction makes the flux dispersal...") makes perfect sense, and the duplication thing is a bit more convoluted, I can see why they went for it.
It's like the reverse of this quote from part III:
Doc: I have to live my life according to what I believe is right in my heart. *puts his hands over his chest*
Marty: Doc, you're a scientist. So you tell me: what's the right thing to do, up here? *points at his forehead*
I think they were going for the emotional thing rather than the logical thing, in this case- or, to be a little cheesy about it, what seemed right in here. *points at her chest*
Also: I strongly suspect Marty's dream is far from a red herring. Besides being an interesting symbolic way to start off the story (and letting us play out the iconic scene where time travel was first tested!), I suspect it has major importance to the end of the story. So does the license plate- just check out the chapter titles. #5 is OUTATIME.
In any case, I think they're allowed to take some artistic license. *hides*
And whatever they do, it beats this:
And yes, anything beats the bowling balls, killer bees, and annoying repeating music that's not from the movies.
I agree with you about the dream.
In the movie the licence plate was also OUTATIME. I will get a screen shot to confirm...
Proof it is in the movie for all you trolls lurking on the forum...
It worked well with me because of how I choose to explain the 88 mph thing.
As I see it, what the Delorean is doing is creating a portal in front of the vehicle that it drives through. However, keeping that portal open at a certain size for a certain amount of time takes energy.
Taking all that into consideration, I would propose that the 88mph limit before the portal activates is because that's how fast the car would have to be traveling to safely make it through before the opening in time closes on it and chops it in half.
Doc had been working on this a long time, and by the time we meet him in the 80's, all this had come together for him. He had a power source capable of generating an opening in time long enough to be crossed at speeds that could be reliably reached by a commercial vehicle.
If the time circuits were supercharged, this could have provided enough power to lower that 88mph limit, and make everything work out okay after the lighting bolt activated the thing.
There would be a pretty big discrepancy. Lighting carries so much force because of how quickly it happens (finite amount of energy delivered in a fraction of a second = high flux...yes, the real usage of the word). Now think about atomic energy, and how much is created from the critical mass in an a-bomb (and that isn't even a completely efficient reaction, so only some of that mass is converted to energy), and then work backwards to create a car.
You can't forget to factor in the lack of a universal frame of reference here though. The idea of the planets and galaxies moving around over time only makes sense as you're traveling with them, and jumping through time messes all that up anyway.
Edit: And the thing I found most interesting about that jail dialogue wasn't even the stuff about the DeLorean, but the stuff about his family. Seems it's been a lot more than just 6 months on his end.
I don't know, but I hope they explain that.
It's easy to miss. Basically after you talk to young doc and you go back to doc to find out how to get young doc to help you there it's in all those dialog options. You have to scroll down a bit.
You should see options like why are you in 1931? How did you end up in jail? Time circuits are on the fritz, etc. There are several options and you can miss some if you don't keep scrolling down. When you do one is point blank asking about the Delorean.