If we take the games FINAL explanation as cannon, that might explain something I've always wondered about, when the Delorean gets struck by lightning at the end of BTTF2, it creates TWO reverse 9's in the sky.
If we take the games FINAL explanation as cannon, that might explain something I've always wondered about, when the Delorean gets struck by lightning at the end of BTTF2, it creates TWO reverse 9's in the sky.
because the delorean is spinning, that is the effect it creates (we normally get straight lines when it time traves since the delorean is moving laterally
because the delorean is spinning, that is the effect it creates (we normally get straight lines when it time traves since the delorean is moving laterally
...It never occurred to me that it done a backflip in the air, haha, that's an odd image.
I think if that were the case the duplicate Delorean would have have appeared in 2025 without an interior. Doc was insilated from the lightning because the entire cabin was, so following that logic only the frame should've been duplicated. Plus, the movies always show that anything inside the car when the car travels through time goes with it, anything on the outside (like that decorative rope Doc had hanging out his door) doesn't.
I think if that were the case the duplicate Delorean would have have appeared in 2025 without an interior. Doc was insilated from the lightning because the entire cabin was, so following that logic only the frame should've been duplicated. Plus, the movies always show that anything inside the car when the car travels through time goes with it, anything on the outside (like that decorative rope Doc had hanging out his door) doesn't.
Or the hook from part 1?
I think the flaw to your theory is that if only the exterior show up in the future, there should be no time circuits or flux capacitor and thus no big deal if Griff gets his hands on it. Doc seems to imply he added some bells and whistles (none of which we have seen yet) instead or rebuilding the time circuits.
I think the reason that didn't travel with the DeLorean was because it obviously hooked onto the lightning wire and was pulled out. Pretty sure Doc specifically designed it that way.
I think the flaw to your theory is that if only the exterior show up in the future, there should be no time circuits or flux capacitor and thus no big deal if Griff gets his hands on it. Doc seems to imply he added some bells and whistles (none of which we have seen yet) instead or rebuilding the time circuits.
That's not a flaw in my theory, or rather, that wasn't my theory. I was trying to point out the principle flaw with the idea that "since the electricity didn't touch Doc, he wasn't duplicated" line of thinking. It also would have left most of if not the entire vehicle besides the chasis untouched, and therefore unduplicated, which is why if the car had been duplicated in whole, (which it was), there would have been a Doc doppleganger also, which I don't believe happened, though Telltale may surprise us. Notice I say "following that logic only the frame should've been duplicated." Clearly the entire car was duplicated, so that theory (that the car was copied because it was electrified) is flawed and incorrect.
The fact though, that none of this happened, or could happen, and it is in fact a plot device in a story. TellTale came up with the best excuse they could to get the car in the game, because you can't have Back to the Future without the Delorean. There isn't a way to do bring it back and make sense within the story and adherring to the science presented in the movies. Perhaps the best way would have been to simply have Doc buy another Delorean and give it the same treatment as the first. Nothing wrong with being practical.
Exactly. I've been considering that the Doc in 1931 is lying and is not the Doc Marty knows from BTTF3 and has a hidden agenda! 0___0 But that's not the case as he is wearing a wedding ring. ;-)
Maybe Doc was duplicated. That situation is easily resolved anyway
Wow, would love to know the easy explanation. Mine is that the duplicated Doc was out exploring the time period when Griff or Biff or whoever found the DeLorean and - I still don't know how Doc explains hearing about the DeLorean - but the married time traveling choo-choo train Doc appears and gets the DeLorean back (which should have friend time circuits according to BTTF3), stranding the duplicate Doc in that time period. Poor clone Doc. lol
I had a dark thought!
Doc was duplicated, but the duplicate was conveniently killed by the local Tannen just as the other Doc arrived in the train. Either that or he's stuck in the same warp on non time that the duplicated Marty from BttF 1 (the one that went to 1955 just as Marty arrived back in 1985) went to.
ill throw this out there to raise questions and generate a few laughs lol, what if during one of the times marty or doc were time traveling to a place that just happened to have an object there? would it create a black hole engulfing the universe? anything incenerate upon contact? lol
ill throw this out there to raise questions and generate a few laughs lol, what if during one of the times marty or doc were time traveling to a place that just happened to have an object there? would it create a black hole engulfing the universe? anything incenerate upon contact? lol
Wasn't that answered in the FIRST movie? They would crash into it at 88 miles per hour! xD
The duplicate doesn't matter much to me. I find it funnier in the movies when you count howmany DeLoreans there are in a certain time era at the SAME TIME.
1955
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF2 Delorean (to restore 1985 from Future Biff's changes)
BttF3 Delorean in the mineshaft
1985
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF1 DeLorean after Marty gets back at the moment he leaves.
Also don't forget about the alternate 1985 which even though repaired would still have yet another DeLorean in the regular 1985 as things would be repaired around them.
ill throw this out there to raise questions and generate a few laughs lol, what if during one of the times marty or doc were time traveling to a place that just happened to have an object there? would it create a black hole engulfing the universe? anything incenerate upon contact? lol
Then I guess some archaeologists would find a Marty skeleton embedded in a hunk of rock and think he's the missing link to evolution.
The duplicate doesn't matter much to me. I find it funnier in the movies when you count howmany DeLoreans there are in a certain time era at the SAME TIME.
1955
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF2 Delorean (to restore 1985 from Future Biff's changes)
BttF3 Delorean in the mineshaft
1985
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF1 DeLorean after Marty gets back at the moment he leaves.
2010
BttF2 Delorean
This just blows my mind away :P
1955 there is a 4th deloran too; the delorean Biff brought there.
Also don't forget about the alternate 1985 which even though repaired would still have yet another DeLorean in the regular 1985 as things would be repaired around them.
But then it wouldn't be at the same time as the DeLorean who about to leave/arrived in BttF1. Said at the same time, not meaning the year.
@Michael J Fox is Canadian: I knew I forgot one :P
But then it wouldn't be at the same time as the DeLorean who about to leave/arrived in BttF1. Said at the same time, not meaning the year.
@Michael J Fox is Canadian: I knew I forgot one :P
You're right about your first point. Assuming the deloreans still show up in alternate timelines, here's how they should exist in 1985
January 1st-October 26th 1:20 AM; 1 delorean
10/26 1:20-1:21 AM: no deloreans
1:21 AM-1:24 AM; 1 delorean
1:24 AM-1:35 AM; 2 deloreans (marty returning 11 minutes before he left)
1:35 AM-circa 2 AM; 1 delorean
circa 2 AM-circa 11 AM; no deloreans (doc leaving for the future until he returns)
around 5 minutes at approximately 11 AM; 1 delorean (the scene we see at the end of part 1 and beginning of part II)
circa 11 AM until 9 PM no delorean
October 26th 9 pm - October 27th 2:15 AM) 1 delorean (the entire time they are in the alternate timeline in part II)
October 27th 2:15 AM- 11 AM 0 deloreans
11:00 AM-11:01 AM 1 delorean when marty returns from 1885 until it is destroyed
and presumably the remainder of the year with no deloreans.
So yeah to answer the question brought up in a shorter way, including the alternate timeline, the only time in 1985 there should be 2 deloreans is the 11 minutes at the end of part I after marty returns from 1955 before he leaves from 1:24 to 1:35
It's likely theres multiple deloreans circulating in 2015 for doc to be able to track the events occurring with Marty Jr and Griff. It is likely that there are at least 2 docs on october 21st; one tracking the events and the other one that brought marty and Jennifer there. It isn't explained how he knows exactly what originally happens. Maybe he planted cameras in there or maybe Doc is hiding in the cafe 80s.
Those wondering why Doc wasn't duplicated with the Delorean just need to remember one thing. Sometimes in a movie/game you must realize that sometimes something exist or happens the way it does just because it makes for a better story or gives a convenient reason for doing something a character is doing.
I think that when you start over think little details it can take away your enjoyment of something that you would otherwise enjoy.
Those wondering why Doc wasn't duplicated with the Delorean just need to remember one thing. Sometimes in a movie/game you must realize that sometimes something exist or happens the way it does just because it makes for a better story or gives a convenient reason for doing something a character is doing.
I think that when you start over think little details it can take away your enjoyment of something that you would otherwise enjoy.
We don't know whether doc is duplicated or not, marty never asks him.
I'm really a bit late to this conversation, but I feel I must interject.
The factoids in the extras of the DVD version in BTTF2 state that the "backwards '99'" shape in the sky after the DeLorean was hit by lightning was put there on purpose to show that the lightning strike caused the DeLorean to SPIN at 88 Miles Per hour, causing the temporal jump.
maby doc was duplacated cuse as doc saids in episode 1 that the deloran was copy as well and landed in 2015 but if doc was not duplacated wouldnt that mean that the copy deloran would of crash in 2015 when doc or his son found it and it would be badly damgend
It's likely theres multiple deloreans circulating in 2015 for doc to be able to track the events occurring with Marty Jr and Griff. It is likely that there are at least 2 docs on october 21st; one tracking the events and the other one that brought marty and Jennifer there. It isn't explained how he knows exactly what originally happens. Maybe he planted cameras in there or maybe Doc is hiding in the cafe 80s.
"Wait a minute, the date. This is tomorrow's newspaper!"
"Precisely! I already went further ahead in time to see what else happens. I backtracked everything to this one event!"
"Wait a minute, the date. This is tomorrow's newspaper!"
"Precisely! I already went further ahead in time to see what else happens. I backtracked everything to this one event!"
But do the exact events happen in the newspaper? Griff bullying Marty Jr. and specifically asking 'are you in or are yout out'? I'd think doc would have to find that out for himself. Also remember when doc picks them up in 1985, he does not have einstein with him, it's later revealed einstein was in a suspended animation kettle meaning 1 of 2 things: Doc travelled to a time prior to 4:29 pm on October 21st to put einstein in the kennel or while marty was battling griff, doc time travelled to another time to get einstein and came and got him.
Why else would Doc not stick around after putting marty Jr. out to make sure everything goes properly? Presumably because he knows he has another self lurking around the cafe 80s.
The duplicate doesn't matter much to me. I find it funnier in the movies when you count howmany DeLoreans there are in a certain time era at the SAME TIME.
1955
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF2 Delorean (to restore 1985 from Future Biff's changes)
BttF3 Delorean in the mineshaft
1985
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF1 DeLorean after Marty gets back at the moment he leaves.
2010
BttF2 Delorean
This just blows my mind away :P
You forgot! There were 4 DeLoreans in 1955!
1955
BttF1 DeLorean BttF2 DeLorean (used by Biff to give his younger self the sports almanac)
BttF2 Delorean (to restore 1985 from Future Biff's changes)
BttF3 Delorean in the mineshaft
1885
BttF3 DeLorean (in the mineshaft)
BttF3 DeLorean (hidden in a bear cave)
But do the exact events happen in the newspaper? Griff bullying Marty Jr. and specifically asking 'are you in or are yout out'? I'd think doc would have to find that out for himself. Also remember when doc picks them up in 1985, he does not have einstein with him, it's later revealed einstein was in a suspended animation kettle meaning 1 of 2 things: Doc travelled to a time prior to 4:29 pm on October 21st to put einstein in the kennel or while marty was battling griff, doc time travelled to another time to get einstein and came and got him.
Why else would Doc not stick around after putting marty Jr. out to make sure everything goes properly? Presumably because he knows he has another self lurking around the cafe 80s.
But if Doc can TIME TRAVEL why did he need to freeze Einie "as if I had never left," he said, instead of time travel back to the exact time he dropped Einie off, meaning he literally didn't leave but for the moments it took to get up to 88 mph?
But do the exact events happen in the newspaper? Griff bullying Marty Jr. and specifically asking 'are you in or are yout out'? I'd think doc would have to find that out for himself. Also remember when doc picks them up in 1985, he does not have einstein with him, it's later revealed einstein was in a suspended animation kettle meaning 1 of 2 things: Doc travelled to a time prior to 4:29 pm on October 21st to put einstein in the kennel or while marty was battling griff, doc time travelled to another time to get einstein and came and got him.
Why else would Doc not stick around after putting marty Jr. out to make sure everything goes properly? Presumably because he knows he has another self lurking around the cafe 80s.
More importantly, why didn't Doc freak out saying that preventing this would change the time stream thereby changing the future thereby meaning he would have never known Marty's kids would be in danger thereby never having a reason to backtrack events back to that day thereby never having a reason to pick up Marty and change the time stream and thereby causing a paradox! Hm? lol
Yeah. What was great about BTTF1 was that the time travel was totally accidental, and the stuff that he has to fix in the past is all just stuff that he messed up in the past. It's really solid and totally avoids the obvious paradox that "go back in time to fix the present" plots all potentially fall into.
BTTF2 is a fun movie but it can't be taken nearly as seriously in that regard. They prevent Biff from taking over Hill Valley, so in the final timeline they'd have no reason to go back in time to prevent Biff from taking over Hill Valley. Headache-inducing.
People say that BTTF3 presents the same paradox, but I feel like even if Marty hadn't seen that tombstone, he would have ignored Doc's advice and gone back to meet him anyway.
Yeah. What was great about BTTF1 was that the time travel was totally accidental, and the stuff that he has to fix in the past is all just stuff that he messed up in the past. It's really solid and totally avoids the obvious paradox that "go back in time to fix the present" plots all potentially fall into.
BTTF2 is a fun movie but it can't be taken nearly as seriously in that regard. They prevent Biff from taking over Hill Valley, so in the final timeline they'd have no reason to go back in time to prevent Biff from taking over Hill Valley. Headache-inducing.
People say that BTTF3 presents the same paradox, but I feel like even if Marty hadn't seen that tombstone, he would have ignored Doc's advice and gone back to meet him anyway.
Where would a time travel story be without a good paradox?
theres plenty of time travel films which depict the time line as linear and expecting time travel (ie time travellers wife, terminator, 12 monkeys) so by those rules, there are no alternate timelines and thus cant be a paradox
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They're all available instantly after the first conversation. Just start a new conversation with him, no need to go visit Emmet.
because the delorean is spinning, that is the effect it creates (we normally get straight lines when it time traves since the delorean is moving laterally
...It never occurred to me that it done a backflip in the air, haha, that's an odd image.
Not a back flip, it was spinning on an axl. Watch it again, doc cranks the wheel when lightning strikes.
Maybe there was...?
This was the burning question and still is, that hasn't been addressed yet as doc has neither confirmed nor denied being duplicated.
Or the hook from part 1?
I think the flaw to your theory is that if only the exterior show up in the future, there should be no time circuits or flux capacitor and thus no big deal if Griff gets his hands on it. Doc seems to imply he added some bells and whistles (none of which we have seen yet) instead or rebuilding the time circuits.
I think the reason that didn't travel with the DeLorean was because it obviously hooked onto the lightning wire and was pulled out. Pretty sure Doc specifically designed it that way.
That's not a flaw in my theory, or rather, that wasn't my theory. I was trying to point out the principle flaw with the idea that "since the electricity didn't touch Doc, he wasn't duplicated" line of thinking. It also would have left most of if not the entire vehicle besides the chasis untouched, and therefore unduplicated, which is why if the car had been duplicated in whole, (which it was), there would have been a Doc doppleganger also, which I don't believe happened, though Telltale may surprise us. Notice I say "following that logic only the frame should've been duplicated." Clearly the entire car was duplicated, so that theory (that the car was copied because it was electrified) is flawed and incorrect.
The fact though, that none of this happened, or could happen, and it is in fact a plot device in a story. TellTale came up with the best excuse they could to get the car in the game, because you can't have Back to the Future without the Delorean. There isn't a way to do bring it back and make sense within the story and adherring to the science presented in the movies. Perhaps the best way would have been to simply have Doc buy another Delorean and give it the same treatment as the first. Nothing wrong with being practical.
Exactly. I've been considering that the Doc in 1931 is lying and is not the Doc Marty knows from BTTF3 and has a hidden agenda! 0___0 But that's not the case as he is wearing a wedding ring. ;-)
Wow, would love to know the easy explanation. Mine is that the duplicated Doc was out exploring the time period when Griff or Biff or whoever found the DeLorean and - I still don't know how Doc explains hearing about the DeLorean - but the married time traveling choo-choo train Doc appears and gets the DeLorean back (which should have friend time circuits according to BTTF3), stranding the duplicate Doc in that time period. Poor clone Doc.
Doc was duplicated, but the duplicate was conveniently killed by the local Tannen just as the other Doc arrived in the train. Either that or he's stuck in the same warp on non time that the duplicated Marty from BttF 1 (the one that went to 1955 just as Marty arrived back in 1985) went to.
Wasn't that answered in the FIRST movie? They would crash into it at 88 miles per hour! xD
1955
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF2 Delorean (to restore 1985 from Future Biff's changes)
BttF3 Delorean in the mineshaft
1985
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF1 DeLorean after Marty gets back at the moment he leaves.
2010
BttF2 Delorean
This just blows my mind away :P
Also don't forget about the alternate 1985 which even though repaired would still have yet another DeLorean in the regular 1985 as things would be repaired around them.
Then I guess some archaeologists would find a Marty skeleton embedded in a hunk of rock and think he's the missing link to evolution.
1955 there is a 4th deloran too; the delorean Biff brought there.
But then it wouldn't be at the same time as the DeLorean who about to leave/arrived in BttF1. Said at the same time, not meaning the year.
@Michael J Fox is Canadian: I knew I forgot one :P
You're right about your first point. Assuming the deloreans still show up in alternate timelines, here's how they should exist in 1985
January 1st-October 26th 1:20 AM; 1 delorean
10/26 1:20-1:21 AM: no deloreans
1:21 AM-1:24 AM; 1 delorean
1:24 AM-1:35 AM; 2 deloreans (marty returning 11 minutes before he left)
1:35 AM-circa 2 AM; 1 delorean
circa 2 AM-circa 11 AM; no deloreans (doc leaving for the future until he returns)
around 5 minutes at approximately 11 AM; 1 delorean (the scene we see at the end of part 1 and beginning of part II)
circa 11 AM until 9 PM no delorean
October 26th 9 pm - October 27th 2:15 AM) 1 delorean (the entire time they are in the alternate timeline in part II)
October 27th 2:15 AM- 11 AM 0 deloreans
11:00 AM-11:01 AM 1 delorean when marty returns from 1885 until it is destroyed
and presumably the remainder of the year with no deloreans.
So yeah to answer the question brought up in a shorter way, including the alternate timeline, the only time in 1985 there should be 2 deloreans is the 11 minutes at the end of part I after marty returns from 1955 before he leaves from 1:24 to 1:35
It's likely theres multiple deloreans circulating in 2015 for doc to be able to track the events occurring with Marty Jr and Griff. It is likely that there are at least 2 docs on october 21st; one tracking the events and the other one that brought marty and Jennifer there. It isn't explained how he knows exactly what originally happens. Maybe he planted cameras in there or maybe Doc is hiding in the cafe 80s.
I think that when you start over think little details it can take away your enjoyment of something that you would otherwise enjoy.
We don't know whether doc is duplicated or not, marty never asks him.
The factoids in the extras of the DVD version in BTTF2 state that the "backwards '99'" shape in the sky after the DeLorean was hit by lightning was put there on purpose to show that the lightning strike caused the DeLorean to SPIN at 88 Miles Per hour, causing the temporal jump.
"Wait a minute, the date. This is tomorrow's newspaper!"
"Precisely! I already went further ahead in time to see what else happens. I backtracked everything to this one event!"
But do the exact events happen in the newspaper? Griff bullying Marty Jr. and specifically asking 'are you in or are yout out'? I'd think doc would have to find that out for himself. Also remember when doc picks them up in 1985, he does not have einstein with him, it's later revealed einstein was in a suspended animation kettle meaning 1 of 2 things: Doc travelled to a time prior to 4:29 pm on October 21st to put einstein in the kennel or while marty was battling griff, doc time travelled to another time to get einstein and came and got him.
Why else would Doc not stick around after putting marty Jr. out to make sure everything goes properly? Presumably because he knows he has another self lurking around the cafe 80s.
You forgot! There were 4 DeLoreans in 1955!
1955
BttF1 DeLorean
BttF2 DeLorean (used by Biff to give his younger self the sports almanac)
BttF2 Delorean (to restore 1985 from Future Biff's changes)
BttF3 Delorean in the mineshaft
1885
BttF3 DeLorean (in the mineshaft)
BttF3 DeLorean (hidden in a bear cave)
But if Doc can TIME TRAVEL why did he need to freeze Einie "as if I had never left," he said, instead of time travel back to the exact time he dropped Einie off, meaning he literally didn't leave but for the moments it took to get up to 88 mph?
More importantly, why didn't Doc freak out saying that preventing this would change the time stream thereby changing the future thereby meaning he would have never known Marty's kids would be in danger thereby never having a reason to backtrack events back to that day thereby never having a reason to pick up Marty and change the time stream and thereby causing a paradox! Hm? lol
BTTF2 is a fun movie but it can't be taken nearly as seriously in that regard. They prevent Biff from taking over Hill Valley, so in the final timeline they'd have no reason to go back in time to prevent Biff from taking over Hill Valley. Headache-inducing.
People say that BTTF3 presents the same paradox, but I feel like even if Marty hadn't seen that tombstone, he would have ignored Doc's advice and gone back to meet him anyway.
Where would a time travel story be without a good paradox?
In the Star Trek universe.