There are plenty of paradoxes in star trek, my fav is where voyager goes back in earth's history to destroy/retrieve a time machine and its pilot, which they find out that a person from the past was using it to steal future technology, bringing up the question who really invented that technology. Plus the time traveler who came back to find the cause of the paradox caused it himself by going back to see what caused it.
So, in the first episode Einie never came back from the maiden voyage of the DeLorean in time. So Marty didn't have a car to run away from the Libyans nor even a reason to do so because Doc disappeared. So this means he had never time travelled in the first place before when Einie suddenly came back 6 months later.
But then again, the sign changed to Lone Pine Mall when doc started disappearing so it means that Marty had done his trip to the past.
Or was the beginning of the game only a dream Marty had in 1986 like it somehow states? And the meaning of Doc not being around is that he just never came back when he departed with the time train? And that's why Marty is ranting about Doc coming back any second now and trying to stop the sale on Doc's stuff? That he misses him and is insecure about his fate and of course can't talk about time travel to his father as a excuse to stop him. Though it's somewhat weird that everyone (else than Marty) is going on so easy about Doc being gone. Like that they don't care what has happened to him..
Well I just played the very beginning of the game again and Marty has that pic of him and doc from BttF3 when he wakes up so it means everything has happened (so it was only a dream right?).
I just don't understand that how can there be a DeLorean which returns to 1986 (and some of you talking about a duplicate DeLorean?) because the only one left at that time was destroyed at the end of BttF3..? Maybe Doc "borrowed" it from himself/Marty/Biff somewhere in the timeline after the events of BttF3 for some reason (maybe the time train broke down) and the whole point of the game is to return the car to that place of time so everything happens the way it should (like in the movies).
I kinda got the same feeling like when viewing BttF part 1 for the very first time as a kid somewhere in the past. In the finale I got the feeling that everything was only a dream of Marty as his parents and siblings were a little confused about Marty talking "Mom you look so thin" etc. And then in the very end the DeLorean returns from the future to clear it all out that it really happened.
Though if the things really happened like in the beginning of the game then Marty should not have that picture on his table - it would mean that Marty never really time travelled in the first place.
It's not like I'm saying that "this is the way it goes" - I mean that these are just some questions that popped in my mind when going through the whole deal we have been given by this time (I mean the storyline we have at the moment).
Maybe I should play Ep1 all the way through again to clear my mind a bit - and if I can't find the answers then I hope the final three episodes will
It's been stated here before but, the delorean is a duplicate, it was made in 1955 when the delorean was struck by lightning. For some reason it made a copy and one went to the past, while the other was sent to the future... that one was then later found by Doc after the events of BttF 3 (the movie) and before the events of the first episode. While Doc was time traveling with his "new" Delorean (since the old one is destroyed) he got into trouble in 1931 and the new Delorean automatically travels back to 1986.
The beginning sequence was definitely a dream, and I don't think that it's meaning has been fully interpreted yet in the series.
So, in the first episode Einie never came back from the maiden voyage of the DeLorean in time. So Marty didn't have a car to run away from the Libyans nor even a reason to do so because Doc disappeared. So this means he had never time travelled in the first place before when Einie suddenly came back 6 months later.
But then again, the sign changed to Lone Pine Mall when doc started disappearing so it means that Marty had done his trip to the past.
Or was the beginning of the game only a dream Marty had in 1986 like it somehow states? And the meaning of Doc not being around is that he just never came back when he departed with the time train? And that's why Marty is ranting about Doc coming back any second now and trying to stop the sale on Doc's stuff? That he misses him and is insecure about his fate and of course can't talk about time travel to his father as a excuse to stop him.
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Well I just played the very beginning of the game again and Marty has that pic of him and doc from BttF3 when he wakes up so it means everything has happened (so it was only a dream right?).
Yep, just a dream. The mall sequence in the beginning of the game is made void by the picture of Marty and Doc in front of the clock in 1885 when Marty wakes up.
Though it's somewhat weird that everyone (else than Marty) is going on so easy about Doc being gone. Like that they don't care what has happened to him..
Doc's a loner. Most of the town thinks he's crazy. Apparently, his only friends are Marty and Jennifer.
I just don't understand that how can there be a DeLorean which returns to 1986 (and some of you talking about a duplicate DeLorean?) because the only one left at that time was destroyed at the end of BttF3..?
Doc explains it when you talk to him in Episode 1, just select all the options because it's a secondary dialogue. You'll find out, but it still raises questions.
Maybe Doc "borrowed" it from himself/Marty/Biff somewhere in the timeline after the events of BttF3 for some reason (maybe the time train broke down) and the whole point of the game is to return the car to that place of time so everything happens the way it should (like in the movies).
We had a fun pre-release discussion about it some time ago. You can read it here.
Ok playing the first ep again cleared many things.
The beginning was a dream of course. And the duplicate thing was explained by Doc himself in the game.
But one new thing I noticed, when Marty is going to 1931 from 1986 - the last time departed time flashes very quickly and shows up a time with a year 20xx. AND when coming up with Doc he seems quite confused what Marty is talking about so it might be that Doc is in trouble in "two times at once"
It's not like it's crystal clear but just something I wibed from the game as a long time BttF fan. Might be only a hunch but then again the game (and as well as the movies) has shown that nothing is without a meaning.
I haven't read the forums throughoutly so I guess there are many other who have noticed the same things and made their own predictions on them - but these are mine
I love the feeling this game gives me, it is like living through again something from the past (the movies and me being the biggest fan of BttF in town then) and getting all sorts of new twists to it - without distrupting my old memories about it. It leaves the movies at their own respected value and gives us a lot more to value in the future. It's like it's made for me :cool: by someone who likes it (BttF in all) as much as I do.
Ok playing the first ep again cleared many things.
The beginning was a dream of course. And the duplicate thing was explained by Doc himself in the game.
But one new thing I noticed, when Marty is going to 1931 from 1986 - the last time departed time flashes very quickly and shows up a time with a year 20xx. AND when coming up with Doc he seems quite confused what Marty is talking about so it might be that Doc is in trouble in "two times at once"
It's not like it's crystal clear but just something I wibed from the game as a long time BttF fan. Might be only a hunch but then again the game (and as well as the movies) has shown that nothing is without a meaning.
I haven't read the forums throughoutly so I guess there are many other who have noticed the same things and made their own predictions on them - but these are mine
I love the feeling this game gives me, it is like living through again something from the past (the movies and me being the biggest fan of BttF in town then) and getting all sorts of new twists to it - without distrupting my old memories about it. It leaves the movies at their own respected value and gives us a lot more to value in the future. It's like it's made for me :cool: by someone who likes it (BttF in all) as much as I do.
It actually flashes 28xx. You can likely assume it's broken unless Einstein knows how to use the delorean himself. Doc originally dies in 1931 so that had to have been his last stop (though we do know he has been in the future to 2011 and 2025 at least once).
I'm glad this is being done into a game as well. I think the time has come and gone for another sequel to the films especially given Michael J fox's health and trutfhully the third film tied up all of Marty's plotlineas at the time. But given the possibility of time travel, there definitely are a million possibilities for what happens next so video games are a great way to continue the story without ruing a great franchise with inferior sequels.
Those wondering why Doc wasn't duplicated with the Delorean just need to remember one thing. Sometimes in a movie/game you must realize that sometimes something exist or happens the way it does just because it makes for a better story or gives a convenient reason for doing something a character is doing.
If you're wonderin' how he eats and breathes, and other science facts/Just repeat to yourself it's just a show/And you really should relax!
I like this idea just because: In-the-game-Doc is the duplicate Doc who appears in the future with the duplicate DeLorean. Doc-in-the-past tells Marty to destroy the DeLorean and he does so at the end of the last movie.
In-the-game-Doc decides he's always wanted to visit the Wild West and goes back. Finding himself there he discusses his adventures in time traveling with Doc-in-the-past and assures him that the timeline is more resilient than we worry about. This is NOT a paradox because at the moment lightning strikes, there becomes two completely separate Docs, with two completely separate timelines.
This complete-BSing answers something that's bugged me. Why would the Doc be so hell-bent on destroying the time machine, only to create another one not that much later? And how did he get the parts to convert the train? He could barely make ice, let alone a nuclear powered train. But if In-the-game-Doc tells him all about his adventures and how safe it is if you're careful, it would reignite the exploring urge of Doc-in-the-past. And In-the-game-Doc can provide parts and conversion help.
In the process, In-the-game-Doc learns about Doc-in-the-past's adventures with Marty. So when he finds himself needing help, he's able to bluff Marty into believing he's "his" Doc. We all know Doc doesn't mind lying. And Marty doesn't care... he's too happy having "Doc" back to ever even really ask.
That's my answer. I'd be playing BTTF3 instead of writing crazy things on the forum, but Steam still doesn't have it in my library, so instead you get my insane ramblings
It doesn't explain though what happened to his wife and 2 kids anywhere in the games story line that i have found. unless they are trying to make edna docs new love interest.
It's easy to miss. Basically after you talk to young doc and you go back to doc to find out how to get young doc to help you there it's in all those dialog options. You have to scroll down a bit.
You should see options like why are you in 1931? How did you end up in jail? Time circuits are on the fritz, etc. There are several options and you can miss some if you don't keep scrolling down. When you do one is point blank asking about the Delorean.
What I don't get is that why does the doc disappear into his current incarnation and marty does not ? Why didn't marty disappear and turn into a nerd ?
What I don't get is that why does the doc disappear into his current incarnation and marty does not ? Why didn't marty disappear and turn into a nerd ?
I presume Doc disappeared because he never would have invented time travel, which means that he never would had that procedure which added 30-40 years to his life and made him look younger. This means that as the timeline got altered Doc disappeared becasue he would have died of old age?
Masta23, if you're asking your question at me, I *don't* know that there are two Docs. However, Doc was in the car when it was struck by lightning. For Doc to not be duplicated, we need some complex theory that somehow by virtue of Doc being a main character and the Delorean being a prop, only the Delorean was duplicated. Mumbo-jumbo about midichloreans or perhaps a soul is necessary. Or you have to explain how come, if the internal cabin was "safe", how come the time circuits, control panels, steering wheels, etc, are all still there?
Occam's Razor makes me choose that Doc was duplicated as well, and therefore my rationalization above. Doc-in-the-game is not Doc-in-the-past, but the duplicate which landed with the Delorean. This doesn't make him any less "Doc."
Also, I haven't yet played Episode 3, so I can't integrate the new shenanigans seen therein. However, if Young-Doc gives up time travel, then both Doc-in-the-past and Doc-in-the-game would disappear as they have a common source.
What I don't get is that why does the doc disappear into his current incarnation and marty does not ? Why didn't marty disappear and turn into a nerd ?
Some of these timelines i'm about to use are fabricated, it's just an example to illustrate this;
assume doc is born in 1913. He'd be 72 years old in 1985 and spends 28 years on his various time travels in the previous timelines making him 100 years old. In the FCB timeline, doc doesnt time travel and dies somewhere between 1986 and 2013 (the year he turns 100). So this is why he disappears, he does not live to his current age in the new timeline while marty is only 2 weeks older.
Masta23, if you're asking your question at me, I *don't* know that there are two Docs. However, Doc was in the car when it was struck by lightning. For Doc to not be duplicated, we need some complex theory that somehow by virtue of Doc being a main character and the Delorean being a prop, only the Delorean was duplicated. Mumbo-jumbo about midichloreans or perhaps a soul is necessary. Or you have to explain how come, if the internal cabin was "safe", how come the time circuits, control panels, steering wheels, etc, are all still there?
Occam's Razor makes me choose that Doc was duplicated as well, and therefore my rationalization above. Doc-in-the-game is not Doc-in-the-past, but the duplicate which landed with the Delorean. This doesn't make him any less "Doc."
Also, I haven't yet played Episode 3, so I can't integrate the new shenanigans seen therein. However, if Young-Doc gives up time travel, then both Doc-in-the-past and Doc-in-the-game would disappear as they have a common source.
The Doc we're interacting with can't be the duplicate Doc for several reasons: A) The wedding band. This Doc has obviously gotten married; If you exhaust all conversation options with Doc in Episode 1, you find that the reason he hasn't come back to visit Marty recently was that he was busy raising his own children; C) Most telling of all is Einstein. Einstein was NOT in the DeLorean when it was struck by lightning, so he never would have been duplicated, and Einstein was clearly picked up by Doc at the end of Back to the Future Part III.
Biff got hit by a car door. That didn't prevent anything.
I mean when they go back to 1955 and take the Almanac away and burn it. They prevent Biff's 1985-A from ever existing, which means the time that they spent there never happened.
The Doc we're interacting with can't be the duplicate Doc for several reasons: A) The wedding band. This Doc has obviously gotten married; If you exhaust all conversation options with Doc in Episode 1, you find that the reason he hasn't come back to visit Marty recently was that he was busy raising his own children; C) Most telling of all is Einstein. Einstein was NOT in the DeLorean when it was struck by lightning, so he never would have been duplicated, and Einstein was clearly picked up by Doc at the end of Back to the Future Part III.
The problem is, you trust Doc. I don't. Doc Brown has been shown in the movies to be a liar who hides the truth whenever he thinks he needs to in order to manipulate Marty or anyone else around him. He makes high-flying statements about protecting the time stream around Marty, but whenever Marty turns his back on Doc, Mr. Brown's busy building another time machine.
My rationalization above (and now I'm just having fun) assumes that, sometime after BTTF:III, Doc-in-the-game and Doc-in-the-past met up. Doc-in-the-game would have met Clara, would have met the kids, would have convinced Doc-in-the-past that Time Travel is great fun, and assisted him in building his time travelling train.
It's also entirely possible that Doc-in-the-game got hold of Einstein. Perhaps Einstein got sick in the past, or perhaps Einie decided he wanted to hang out with the Doc that didn't have tons of annoying kids.
In either case, Doc Brown finds himself in jail, about to be shot. Needing to save his own skin he'd tell Marty anything.
Masta23, if you're asking your question at me, I *don't* know that there are two Docs. However, Doc was in the car when it was struck by lightning. For Doc to not be duplicated, we need some complex theory that somehow by virtue of Doc being a main character and the Delorean being a prop, only the Delorean was duplicated. Mumbo-jumbo about midichloreans or perhaps a soul is necessary. Or you have to explain how come, if the internal cabin was "safe", how come the time circuits, control panels, steering wheels, etc, are all still there?
Occam's Razor makes me choose that Doc was duplicated as well, and therefore my rationalization above. Doc-in-the-game is not Doc-in-the-past, but the duplicate which landed with the Delorean. This doesn't make him any less "Doc."
Also, I haven't yet played Episode 3, so I can't integrate the new shenanigans seen therein. However, if Young-Doc gives up time travel, then both Doc-in-the-past and Doc-in-the-game would disappear as they have a common source.
Well I don't think the in game Doc is a Duplicate Doc because he knew about Clara. Surely the duplicate Doc wouldn't have this knowledge?
Well I don't think the in game Doc is a Duplicate Doc because he knew about Clara. Surely the duplicate Doc wouldn't have this knowledge?
See my post above. Doc-in-the-past needs to build a time train. Using what? Telegraph wires? Steam valves*? In the 50's Doc had to build a huge panel on the hood of the DeLorean out of discrete components in order to replace a few burned out time circuits which were made out of a couple of microchips? And somehow he needs to generate 1.21 Gigawatts with a steam engine?
He had help. And the only person in this BTTF universe with the knowledge and the ability to drive to the nearest convenience store and buy plutonium would be Doc-in-the-game, sitting in his duplicate DeLorean.
* Anyone stuck using Steam to get BTTF:Ep 3 knows how unreliable steam is! I kid, I kid.
He had help. And the only person in this BTTF universe with the knowledge and the ability to drive to the nearest convenience store and buy plutonium would be Doc-in-the-game, sitting in his duplicate DeLorean.
See, I COULD just imagine Doc going to the far-flung future just for the opportunity to walk into a convenience store and buy plutonium. Just to say that he could do it.
See my post above. Doc-in-the-past needs to build a time train. Using what? Telegraph wires? Steam valves*? In the 50's Doc had to build a huge panel on the hood of the DeLorean out of discrete components in order to replace a few burned out time circuits which were made out of a couple of microchips? And somehow he needs to generate 1.21 Gigawatts with a steam engine?
He had help. And the only person in this BTTF universe with the knowledge and the ability to drive to the nearest convenience store and buy plutonium would be Doc-in-the-game, sitting in his duplicate DeLorean.
* Anyone stuck using Steam to get BTTF:Ep 3 knows how unreliable steam is! I kid, I kid.
That's true. It is impossible that Doc could make another flux capacitor in 1885. He had parts from the hoverboard but is that enough? They needed a lightning strike in 1955 to generate the 1.21 Gigawatts.
I completely forgot about the hoverboard. Assuming it uses antigravity, and assuming antigravity works by monkeying with mass, it's possible that the hoverboard has enough power to run the time circuits... maybe. Assuming you could build the circuits.
Hi everyone,
I've read here and there that the DeLorean appeared at the beginning of chapter one is a time duplicate. My question is: when has Doc ever explained it? I've done chapter 1 at least 5 times but can't find out! Please do tell me! If not, you're just a lousy hooligan!
Hi everyone,
I've read here and there that the DeLorean appeared at the beginning of chapter one is a time duplicate. My question is: when has Doc ever explained it? I've done chapter 1 at least 5 times but can't find out! Please do tell me! If not, you're just a lousy hooligan!
Talk to Doc while he's in prison. Go through all the dialog options.
Talk to Doc again after you call his house and learn his younger self is at the courthouse. Go through each dialog option, and eventually an option about the DeLorean comes up.
I know that the reason that there was another Deloreon in the game was explain in Episode 1 as a result of the Time Machine getting struck by lightning in Part 2. My question is this. I interpret that as it duplicated the Time Machine. So if the Time Machine was duplicated, does that mean that Doc was also Duplicated since he was driving the Time Machine at the time it was Struck by Lightning?
Anyone that has insight on this, I would appreciate some info.
Living beings are not duplicated because they do not inherently posses the active Chronoparticles required by intertemporal travel and are mere organic passengers aboard the chrono-infused inorganic vehicle!
Living beings are not duplicated because they do not inherently posses the active Chronoparticles required by intertemporal travel and are mere organic passengers aboard the chrono-infused inorganic vehicle!
TELLTALE!!! Make Doc say that in Season 2!!! Seriously, that is some heavy Doc-speak technobabble right there.
living beings are not duplicated because they do not inherently posses the active chronoparticles required by intertemporal travel and are mere organic passengers aboard the chrono-infused inorganic vehicle!
As evidenced elsewhere (please don't make me search for it, I'm starting to hate that massively ineffective search function that usually disregards 85% of the key words I enter in it), there have been a lot of "alternative explanations" for the DeLorean's reappearance in episode 1. So although a lot of thought went into possible explanations, the individual explanation they eventually went with probably doesn't have to be that solid. It's a throwaway line that many people who play the game even missed.
OK, maybe Griff killed the "alternative" Doc in the future. Probably rather gruesome, there was a lot of blood and pain involved.
As evidenced elsewhere (please don't make me search for it, I'm starting to hate that massively ineffective search function that usually disregards 85% of the key words I enter in it), there have been a lot of "alternative explanations" for the DeLorean's reappearance in episode 1. So although a lot of thought went into possible explanations, the individual explanation they eventually went with probably doesn't have to be that solid. It's a throwaway line that many people who play the game even missed.
OK, maybe Griff killed the "alternative" Doc in the future. Probably rather gruesome, there was a lot of blood and pain involved.
The reason why I don't believe there was a duplicate Doc is this...the Doc who got sent back to 1885 was naturally concerned for Marty and for the space-time continuum...so he tried repairing the time machine with 1885 parts and failed, and therefore buried the Delorean for Marty to find 70 years later...
Now, if there was a Doc in 2025, he too would be anxious to help Marty...he would be able to easily repair the time circuits and flying circuits (even upgrade them) and would be back to November 12th 1955 in a jiffy, to pick up Marty...that would interfere with BTTF3's events...plus, the spare Delorean certainly wouldn't still be around in 2025 for 'our' Doc to find.
The reason why I don't believe there was a duplicate Doc is this...the Doc who got sent back to 1885 was naturally concerned for Marty and for the space-time continuum...so he tried repairing the time machine with 1885 parts and failed, and therefore buried the Delorean for Marty to find 70 years later...
Now, if there was a Doc in 2025, he too would be anxious to help Marty...he would be able to easily repair the time circuits and flying circuits (even upgrade them) and would be back to November 12th 1955 in a jiffy, to pick up Marty...that would interfere with BTTF3's events...plus, the spare Delorean certainly wouldn't still be around in 2025 for 'our' Doc to find.
Then logically, either something happened to that Doc or he wasn't duplicated.
Absolutely not DAISHI. Thing is, a lot of people here are trying to apply real science and logic to what is essentially a COMEDY with science fiction elements in it. That's not to say that there shouldn't be some science applied to it, it does use some science, far better than, say, Hot Tub Time Machine, but it's still essentially a comedy.
The reason why I don't believe there was a duplicate Doc is this...the Doc who got sent back to 1885 was naturally concerned for Marty and for the space-time continuum...so he tried repairing the time machine with 1885 parts and failed, and therefore buried the Delorean for Marty to find 70 years later...
Now, if there was a Doc in 2025, he too would be anxious to help Marty...he would be able to easily repair the time circuits and flying circuits (even upgrade them) and would be back to November 12th 1955 in a jiffy, to pick up Marty...that would interfere with BTTF3's events...plus, the spare Delorean certainly wouldn't still be around in 2025 for 'our' Doc to find.
I'd say these 2 explanations suffice; doc wouldnt know he was duplicated and so 2025 Doc would also want to go back and get marty unless he were compromised. Or unless at some point in the timeline the 2 docs meet (1885 doc eventually goes to the future)
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There are plenty of paradoxes in star trek, my fav is where voyager goes back in earth's history to destroy/retrieve a time machine and its pilot, which they find out that a person from the past was using it to steal future technology, bringing up the question who really invented that technology. Plus the time traveler who came back to find the cause of the paradox caused it himself by going back to see what caused it.
So, in the first episode Einie never came back from the maiden voyage of the DeLorean in time. So Marty didn't have a car to run away from the Libyans nor even a reason to do so because Doc disappeared. So this means he had never time travelled in the first place before when Einie suddenly came back 6 months later.
But then again, the sign changed to Lone Pine Mall when doc started disappearing so it means that Marty had done his trip to the past.
Or was the beginning of the game only a dream Marty had in 1986 like it somehow states? And the meaning of Doc not being around is that he just never came back when he departed with the time train? And that's why Marty is ranting about Doc coming back any second now and trying to stop the sale on Doc's stuff? That he misses him and is insecure about his fate and of course can't talk about time travel to his father as a excuse to stop him. Though it's somewhat weird that everyone (else than Marty) is going on so easy about Doc being gone. Like that they don't care what has happened to him..
Well I just played the very beginning of the game again and Marty has that pic of him and doc from BttF3 when he wakes up so it means everything has happened (so it was only a dream right?).
I just don't understand that how can there be a DeLorean which returns to 1986 (and some of you talking about a duplicate DeLorean?) because the only one left at that time was destroyed at the end of BttF3..? Maybe Doc "borrowed" it from himself/Marty/Biff somewhere in the timeline after the events of BttF3 for some reason (maybe the time train broke down) and the whole point of the game is to return the car to that place of time so everything happens the way it should (like in the movies).
I kinda got the same feeling like when viewing BttF part 1 for the very first time as a kid somewhere in the past. In the finale I got the feeling that everything was only a dream of Marty as his parents and siblings were a little confused about Marty talking "Mom you look so thin" etc. And then in the very end the DeLorean returns from the future to clear it all out that it really happened.
Though if the things really happened like in the beginning of the game then Marty should not have that picture on his table - it would mean that Marty never really time travelled in the first place.
It's not like I'm saying that "this is the way it goes" - I mean that these are just some questions that popped in my mind when going through the whole deal we have been given by this time (I mean the storyline we have at the moment).
Maybe I should play Ep1 all the way through again to clear my mind a bit
The beginning sequence was definitely a dream, and I don't think that it's meaning has been fully interpreted yet in the series.
Yep, just a dream. The mall sequence in the beginning of the game is made void by the picture of Marty and Doc in front of the clock in 1885 when Marty wakes up.
Doc's a loner. Most of the town thinks he's crazy. Apparently, his only friends are Marty and Jennifer.
Doc explains it when you talk to him in Episode 1, just select all the options because it's a secondary dialogue. You'll find out, but it still raises questions.
We had a fun pre-release discussion about it some time ago. You can read it here.
The beginning was a dream of course. And the duplicate thing was explained by Doc himself in the game.
But one new thing I noticed, when Marty is going to 1931 from 1986 - the last time departed time flashes very quickly and shows up a time with a year 20xx. AND when coming up with Doc he seems quite confused what Marty is talking about so it might be that Doc is in trouble in "two times at once"
It's not like it's crystal clear but just something I wibed from the game as a long time BttF fan. Might be only a hunch but then again the game (and as well as the movies) has shown that nothing is without a meaning.
I haven't read the forums throughoutly so I guess there are many other who have noticed the same things and made their own predictions on them - but these are mine
I love the feeling this game gives me, it is like living through again something from the past (the movies and me being the biggest fan of BttF in town then) and getting all sorts of new twists to it - without distrupting my old memories about it. It leaves the movies at their own respected value and gives us a lot more to value in the future. It's like it's made for me :cool: by someone who likes it (BttF in all) as much as I do.
It actually flashes 28xx. You can likely assume it's broken unless Einstein knows how to use the delorean himself. Doc originally dies in 1931 so that had to have been his last stop (though we do know he has been in the future to 2011 and 2025 at least once).
I'm glad this is being done into a game as well. I think the time has come and gone for another sequel to the films especially given Michael J fox's health and trutfhully the third film tied up all of Marty's plotlineas at the time. But given the possibility of time travel, there definitely are a million possibilities for what happens next so video games are a great way to continue the story without ruing a great franchise with inferior sequels.
If you're wonderin' how he eats and breathes, and other science facts/Just repeat to yourself it's just a show/And you really should relax!
I like this idea just because: In-the-game-Doc is the duplicate Doc who appears in the future with the duplicate DeLorean. Doc-in-the-past tells Marty to destroy the DeLorean and he does so at the end of the last movie.
In-the-game-Doc decides he's always wanted to visit the Wild West and goes back. Finding himself there he discusses his adventures in time traveling with Doc-in-the-past and assures him that the timeline is more resilient than we worry about. This is NOT a paradox because at the moment lightning strikes, there becomes two completely separate Docs, with two completely separate timelines.
This complete-BSing answers something that's bugged me. Why would the Doc be so hell-bent on destroying the time machine, only to create another one not that much later? And how did he get the parts to convert the train? He could barely make ice, let alone a nuclear powered train. But if In-the-game-Doc tells him all about his adventures and how safe it is if you're careful, it would reignite the exploring urge of Doc-in-the-past. And In-the-game-Doc can provide parts and conversion help.
In the process, In-the-game-Doc learns about Doc-in-the-past's adventures with Marty. So when he finds himself needing help, he's able to bluff Marty into believing he's "his" Doc. We all know Doc doesn't mind lying. And Marty doesn't care... he's too happy having "Doc" back to ever even really ask.
That's my answer. I'd be playing BTTF3 instead of writing crazy things on the forum, but Steam still doesn't have it in my library, so instead you get my insane ramblings
Occam's Razor makes me choose that Doc was duplicated as well, and therefore my rationalization above. Doc-in-the-game is not Doc-in-the-past, but the duplicate which landed with the Delorean. This doesn't make him any less "Doc."
Also, I haven't yet played Episode 3, so I can't integrate the new shenanigans seen therein. However, if Young-Doc gives up time travel, then both Doc-in-the-past and Doc-in-the-game would disappear as they have a common source.
Some of these timelines i'm about to use are fabricated, it's just an example to illustrate this;
assume doc is born in 1913. He'd be 72 years old in 1985 and spends 28 years on his various time travels in the previous timelines making him 100 years old. In the FCB timeline, doc doesnt time travel and dies somewhere between 1986 and 2013 (the year he turns 100). So this is why he disappears, he does not live to his current age in the new timeline while marty is only 2 weeks older.
The Doc we're interacting with can't be the duplicate Doc for several reasons: A) The wedding band. This Doc has obviously gotten married;
I mean when they go back to 1955 and take the Almanac away and burn it. They prevent Biff's 1985-A from ever existing, which means the time that they spent there never happened.
I just like it when the ending of the plot resolves a paradox, rather than causes one. Like I said, BTTF1 did it well.
The problem is, you trust Doc. I don't. Doc Brown has been shown in the movies to be a liar who hides the truth whenever he thinks he needs to in order to manipulate Marty or anyone else around him. He makes high-flying statements about protecting the time stream around Marty, but whenever Marty turns his back on Doc, Mr. Brown's busy building another time machine.
My rationalization above (and now I'm just having fun) assumes that, sometime after BTTF:III, Doc-in-the-game and Doc-in-the-past met up. Doc-in-the-game would have met Clara, would have met the kids, would have convinced Doc-in-the-past that Time Travel is great fun, and assisted him in building his time travelling train.
It's also entirely possible that Doc-in-the-game got hold of Einstein. Perhaps Einstein got sick in the past, or perhaps Einie decided he wanted to hang out with the Doc that didn't have tons of annoying kids.
In either case, Doc Brown finds himself in jail, about to be shot. Needing to save his own skin he'd tell Marty anything.
See my post above. Doc-in-the-past needs to build a time train. Using what? Telegraph wires? Steam valves*? In the 50's Doc had to build a huge panel on the hood of the DeLorean out of discrete components in order to replace a few burned out time circuits which were made out of a couple of microchips? And somehow he needs to generate 1.21 Gigawatts with a steam engine?
He had help. And the only person in this BTTF universe with the knowledge and the ability to drive to the nearest convenience store and buy plutonium would be Doc-in-the-game, sitting in his duplicate DeLorean.
* Anyone stuck using Steam to get BTTF:Ep 3 knows how unreliable steam is! I kid, I kid.
See, I COULD just imagine Doc going to the far-flung future just for the opportunity to walk into a convenience store and buy plutonium. Just to say that he could do it.
I've read here and there that the DeLorean appeared at the beginning of chapter one is a time duplicate. My question is: when has Doc ever explained it? I've done chapter 1 at least 5 times but can't find out! Please do tell me! If not, you're just a lousy hooligan!
Talk to Doc while he's in prison. Go through all the dialog options.
Anyone that has insight on this, I would appreciate some info.
Thanks
TELLTALE!!! Make Doc say that in Season 2!!! Seriously, that is some heavy Doc-speak technobabble right there.
This I know. Said it in my OP. My question is, is there another Doc to go with that Deloreon?
The reason why I don't believe there was a duplicate Doc is this...the Doc who got sent back to 1885 was naturally concerned for Marty and for the space-time continuum...so he tried repairing the time machine with 1885 parts and failed, and therefore buried the Delorean for Marty to find 70 years later...
Now, if there was a Doc in 2025, he too would be anxious to help Marty...he would be able to easily repair the time circuits and flying circuits (even upgrade them) and would be back to November 12th 1955 in a jiffy, to pick up Marty...that would interfere with BTTF3's events...plus, the spare Delorean certainly wouldn't still be around in 2025 for 'our' Doc to find.
Then logically, either something happened to that Doc or he wasn't duplicated.
I'd say these 2 explanations suffice; doc wouldnt know he was duplicated and so 2025 Doc would also want to go back and get marty unless he were compromised. Or unless at some point in the timeline the 2 docs meet (1885 doc eventually goes to the future)