I dunno, Luke was too much of a goodie two-shoes. The guy basically had no moral downside. And Telltale was trying to make the decision as h… moreard as possible and IMO did a pretty good job of balancing Kenny and Jane.
The only thing that bugged me is how obviously Jane was supposed to be Molly.
Thanks, I'm not one of those people that gets all upset over this kind of thing. I'm a professional writer in real life and I like to discuss the craft in these games. This game fascinates me, it's the first game IMO to really nail the tight writing of a real drama without having to break the narrative by jamming in gamey things like Mass Effect's constant time-for-a-shootout-and-button-pressing syndrome.
I disagree that it was irrational - just poorly executed. He was too volatile and he needed to be confronted sooner rather than later. I wan… moreted to kill Kenny before they even left the cabin. When Clem was walking around the truck to get in the passenger seat I wanted to shoot him through the back of the head.
You're not "Captain Save-A-Hoe", thumbs up on that whole remaining civil thing, and as far as I'm concerned Kenny needed to be put down or abandoned.
The guy basically had no moral downside
I disagree, just most people ignored it. He was completely unreliable. He proves it, time, after time, after time.
Yeah I do hate the unoriginal choice of characters, can't argue there. It seems like they had good characters who had bad story lines, but let's hope that's behind us
It just seemed like Telltale was like, "Hmmm, how can we bring Molly back?" And then couldn't figure out a way because they were in Virginia… more by that point so they gave us another female survivor with a plain name and a sad story about a little sister. That's one of the few things that made me outright groan in either season, when she had a little sister that died too.
You know, It's fine dude... I'm so sorry I tried to force my Opinion of Jane on you, or Try and change it. I feel like a douche, and there's no use fighting an Opinion anymore. It's just opinion, Am I right?
I also don't agree that it was irrational, and also disagree that it was poorly executed. (AJ was completely safe all the time ..)
In that extreme situation simply there was no other option! Jane tried to reason with Kenny in the car saying they could go back to Howe's in one day, and they knew the location, and they knew that there was formula for AJ, and they knew that the building was good, and they knew that Carver's people probably fled or died.
What they knew about Wellington at that time? absolutely nothing, just a rumor...
And what Kenny said in return? something like:.. " Fuck you bitch.. I'd rather wander in the blizzard, surrounded by walkers everywhere. carrying a child and a newborn with me in search of a place I have not the slightest idea where or if it really exists! no matter if we'll take weeks to find it. "
I mean.. how can you trust something like that to work? even from someone you know for a long time? you're in a bloody ZA!
there is no significant room for failure or error.. still you'll actually risk your precious life like that? sorry Kenny, but Lee didn't sacrifice his life for me to play dice with the devil..
It was the same situation when Duck was bitten. he simply could not accept and confront the fact that he would lose his son. and when Lee tried to put some sense into him. he went to physical aggression. the difference is that Lee was a much stronger man and put him in his place quickly until he finally realized the real situation.
I disagree that it was irrational - just poorly executed. He was too volatile and he needed to be confronted sooner rather than later. I wan… moreted to kill Kenny before they even left the cabin. When Clem was walking around the truck to get in the passenger seat I wanted to shoot him through the back of the head.
You're not "Captain Save-A-Hoe", thumbs up on that whole remaining civil thing, and as far as I'm concerned Kenny needed to be put down or abandoned.
Jane seriously regretted letting her sister die that one day she was just too tired to push her. That decision has been eating her up ever since. You can tell by the things she says and how she acts. She sees Clem as a replacement sister, a second chance. Jane makes up in her mind she will do anything to get her sister back and creates that entire situation. Its all a scam to turn Clem on Kenny just like she tries to get Clem to give up on Sarah. Jane pretending to let that baby die is extremely believable because she does the same exact thing with Sarah on the collapsing deck scene.
I find it believable Clem would point the gun at Kenny because she really does like Jane. However there is no way Clem would pull the trigger on Kenny. Not after her last moment/conversation with Lee and how she felt after killing him. I feel Clementine would see thru the ruse and would not be manipulated to leave the person Lee told her to always trust.
oops... I picked Jane over Kenny cuz Jane was right about Kenny becoming more and more unstable because of everything that has happen to him and those he loved.
Just made this choice for the first time today and I feel very sad. I choice to save Jane and shoot Kenny. I liked them both very much.
My Jane is even minded, pragmatic and attractive. She was helpful and brave. When she left my group I didn't hold it against her, she left when we were safe, she didn't steal food or cars (like Lilly or Mike) , it was just her nature to avoid pain of further loss. Then she came back Han Solo style! How could I get angry about that? She's like me, only a woman, and hot (Don't make it weird).
Then there's Kenny. My Lee and Kenny were good friends. Saving each other like brothers in arms. Loving to his family. Single mindedly focused on what he saw as the way to safety. Hot tempered? Yes. Stubborn? Yes. Quick to violence? Yes, but that is a vice and virtue in survival situations. He was loyal and almost gave his life for Christa. He reminds me of my Father, who is hot tempered, stubborn and acts childish if you don't agree. My Father who is loyal, honorable and self sacrificing though is never unjustly violent (think Authur Spooner from 'King of Queens' crossed with J.B. Books of 'the Shootist). So in my playthrough talking him and others down from extemes was second nature. The peace making didn't bother me, I didn't care if Arvo got a few beatings because i voted to kill him anyways, and Kenny's offer of possible death or enslavement searching for Wellington was better then Jane's offer of guaranteed death or enslavement at Howe's hardware. I liked them both, I trusted both, but I agreed with Kenny's plan warts and all.
But things changed and Kenny was killing Jane. He wouldn't stop, so I stopped him. It was righteous and justified, or so I thought. After I found out that AJ was alive, I just feel low. We were tricked, fooled. Then in shock I forgave Jane and went south with her. It felt hollow to forgive her, like i just gravitied to the last man standing. Why should she need to be forgiven? I'm the one who did it. I killed someone who had done right by me. My loyalty to standards was greater then my loyalty to a good friend. There was no right action for me, just different betrayals. Sorry this was longer then I had planned. This was emotional for me and I thank you for your patience. Now here's something you can use in an ad, "In summary: Telltale games and their Walking Dead games choices was so thought provoking and soul shedding, I hugged my Dad and I wept like a child. And you can too!"
I chose Jane. IMO, Kenny had evolved into something volatile and unstable. I tried really hard to bring him back with the options given, but in the end I felt that it wasn't enough. And I would never trust a person like him in a life and death situation. He was the cause of a lot of strife in the group, and looking back on it now I kinda blame him for the fracture in the group.
Before Jane revealed her plan to expose Kenny, I was already there in my mind, and had already figure out what she had done/was doing. Making the end choice was not difficult for me at all. Kenny was like the dog at the beginning of the season. He crossed the line and needed to be put down for attacking Jane. That was the last straw for me. Just my opinion.
the way i see it,jane is the one who is giving a fuck to anyone like sarah,luke,leaving the group cause she is teaching clem how to be a coldblood like by being coldblood in helping luke and sarah.sometimes trusting ANYONE you have just met could get you in trouble like mike and boney going and stealing without telling you.the thing is jane is killing, leaving everybody without trying to do something like (kenny is bad the only cure is death),who said that?kenny lost so much and the thing is kenny didn't have any trouble with jane in first,it was jane who started whisperring that kenny is.........you should do something,stay away from him,what the fuck girl,god damn you are selfish that's why,and i see no valid reasone in killing kenny on that moment cause jane was pissed him off by saying bullshit words about his family jane is to coldblood and i scared she might do something to baby like what he did to luke to sarah like(clem we are stuck throw the baby and lets go)at least kenny cares and is ready to put his life on line for baby.
You obviously just didnt understand the point of the ending if your point of view is best to kill jane / molly v2.
Telltales games want you… more to forget abaut the past and look into the future, kenny is no ones future anymore and only a danger, telltale games want you to forget abaut feelings and not being soft, thats why they brang sarah to game as an example, she could not leave the past, was too soft, didnt want to grow up and what is led her to, she danger the group and herself and telltales didnt want clementine be same, soft girl that will spare kenny after all shit he done and supposed to get kicked out of the group long ago,
they on purpose manipulate us with his history and lee`s friendship so we will be soft to him and close the eyes to all what his done and willing to do, so the right choise is just to put him out of his misery
And in end telltale games putting us to next step with jane, is to invite strangers or tell them go away… [view original content]
I think the fact that Jane felt guilty about saving everyone is more indcative of her selfishness and aloofness, especially since Jane's decision to rob Arvo ( if you decide to let him keep the meds) is the reason Arvo's group ambushes them in the first place.
Kenny didn't want to make the same mistake with AJ after Duck. He made a promise, that's why he was so aggressive at times. Also, what I've … morenoticed is that Kenny reacted the same way to Arvo as Carver did to him. He wanted to kill Arvo because he thought he was a danger to the group and would slow them down. Then after Arvo shot Clem, Kenny didn't want to listen to anyone. That's why Jane couldn't talk any sense to him anymore. Because he believed that there would be more pain unless they reach Wellington. Now he was wrong about Jane though. He said that Jane didn't care about anybody but herself. But if she did only care about herself, Kenny, Clementine, Luke, and the rest of the group would probably be dead. Jane risked her Life for Clementine. Jane even killed someone she didn't want to kill just to save Kenny. Kenny just didn't want to make the same mistake. He thought Jane was another whole "Lilly Situation." Kenny was more aggressive be… [view original content]
First, I ended with Kenny and we left Wellington. I don't think Jane was a sociopath. Sociopaths don't feel remorse and Jane felt guilty about leaving her sister for dead and she felt guilt about helping to save the group from the Russians. If she were truly a sociopath she would've left and not turned back or she would've merely saved the group and felt indifferent about it. Carver was a sociopath. When Bonnie is explaining the way Carver described Reggie's murder to her as "matter of fact; like a weed that needed to be pulled"... now that is sociopathology. Jane is aloof, but she's not a sociopath. Trying to manipulate someone doesn't necessarily mean that Jane is a sociopath.
Jane was more or less a sociopath, and the way they telegraphed the fact she was purposefully trying to get Clem to kill Kenny made it a tou… moregh but not very tough choice. I certainly wasn't going to let her pull my strings like a puppet. And I'm no Kenny stan, the guy was combustible but loyal to a fault.
Maybe Walter would protect her too much, like Carlos did to Sarah. But i think that Alvin would have been good, and Pete would have been perfect for Clem
Honestly I think Christa would be best. I mean she managed for 2 years. 2 YEARS. She's tough and doesn't give up on others. She's slow to trust (which is usually good cough cough Bonnie cough cough ) but if you win her onto your side she's very loyal, i.e. refusing to sell Clem out to the scavengers. All and all, tough but fair and while tough may not be pleasant it is for the best.
Maybe Walter would protect her too much, like Carlos did to Sarah. But i think that Alvin would have been good, and Pete would have been perfect for Clem
"Completely safe?" JANE LEFT HIM INSIDE A CAR! How would Clem and Kenny have known that he was alive if they hadn't heard him crying? He would've frozen to death in ten minutes or less!
I also don't agree that it was irrational, and also disagree that it was poorly executed. (AJ was completely safe all the time ..)
In tha… moret extreme situation simply there was no other option! Jane tried to reason with Kenny in the car saying they could go back to Howe's in one day, and they knew the location, and they knew that there was formula for AJ, and they knew that the building was good, and they knew that Carver's people probably fled or died.
What they knew about Wellington at that time? absolutely nothing, just a rumor...
And what Kenny said in return? something like:.. " Fuck you bitch.. I'd rather wander in the blizzard, surrounded by walkers everywhere. carrying a child and a newborn with me in search of a place I have not the slightest idea where or if it really exists! no matter if we'll take weeks to find it. "
I mean.. how can you trust something like that to work? even from someone you know for a long time? you're… [view original content]
That's what I love about Lee (my version of him, anyway). He was tender towards Clementine even under the darkest circumstances, which could never be said about Christa, sadly.
Honestly I think Christa would be best. I mean she managed for 2 years. 2 YEARS. She's tough and doesn't give up on others. She's slow to tr… moreust (which is usually good cough cough Bonnie cough cough ) but if you win her onto your side she's very loyal, i.e. refusing to sell Clem out to the scavengers. All and all, tough but fair and while tough may not be pleasant it is for the best.
At first I chose Jane, but then I chose Kenny. I mean the plan Jane did was fucking stupid. She put a baby's life in danger JUST TO PROVE A POINT? God! I just didn't want people like that to be around Clementine. Kenny may have a short fuse, but he is fucking loyal to the end and was willing to so anything make sure Clem and Aj was safe. Even if it meant his life, I cannot say the same for Jane.
I think the fact that Jane felt guilty about saving everyone is more indcative of her selfishness and aloofness, especially since Jane's dec… moreision to rob Arvo ( if you decide to let him keep the meds) is the reason Arvo's group ambushes them in the first place.
"Completely safe?" JANE LEFT HIM INSIDE A CAR! How would Clem and Kenny have known that he was alive if they hadn't heard him crying? He would've frozen to death in ten minutes or less!
At first I chose Jane, but then I chose Kenny. I mean the plan Jane did was fucking stupid. She put a baby's life in danger JUST TO PROVE A … morePOINT? God! I just didn't want people like that to be around Clementine. Kenny may have a short fuse, but he is fucking loyal to the end and was willing to so anything make sure Clem and Aj was safe. Even if it meant his life, I cannot say the same for Jane.
Wait didn't Kenneth insist on keeping hold of AJ even when he was standing guard at the transformer...there was a perfectly good fire you.g to keep the baby warm but nooo. So Kenny was not a paragon of child safety. Or who could forget him sending Clem with the radio to Luke..
"Completely safe?" JANE LEFT HIM INSIDE A CAR! How would Clem and Kenny have known that he was alive if they hadn't heard him crying? He would've frozen to death in ten minutes or less!
Kenny might not have been the most civil person in the entire world. And granted his people skills could definitely have used some work! And he might have been somewhat of a control freak as well.
But in spite of all that, he still showed a lot of self-sacrificing spirit, he was willing to put himself in danger for people that he cared about.
In season one, he puts his own life in jeopardy, to save Christa, whom he had only known for a little more than a day. And in season 2 he gets nearly beaten to death, trying to protect Clementine from the consequences of his failed plan.
In my personal opinion, Kenny is the only real character in the game who you can actually count on. Bonnie for example, she was nice enough, but when her own life was at risk, when Clementine got shot and Kenny came out breathing Hellfire as a result and understandably so, Bonnie took off running.
And Mike on the other hand, when Clementine got shot, immediately suggested that they leave her behind. Now there was a guy, who was only looking out for himself.
Kenny took Clementine the distance. After that fight with Jane, and being badly wounded, Kenny took her all the way to Wellington, and then was willing to stay behind, if she could be allowed to enter into Wellington, knowing that he might never see her again.
in S1E5, I had Lee choose Kenny to be clementines next Guardian. And given what I saw in season 2, was Kenny's character, I think that was the right choice.
Your avatar and name are of Lee Everett. It's pretty obvious you wouldn't go that far.
But if we wanna think of all the people we've encountered in TWD, these would be the best influences on Clem. They might not be Rick or Darryl, but they are the ones who would lead communities to the future. Instead of just killing to survive.
Lee can care about Clem all he wants, but Christa did the same thing not only for longer, but while going through a (failed) pregnancy and losing her husband.
You know what Michonne went through, think about going through that while raising someone like Clem.
That's what I love about Lee (my version of him, anyway). He was tender towards Clementine even under the darkest circumstances, which could never be said about Christa, sadly.
Your avatar and name are of Lee Everett. It's pretty obvious you wouldn't go that far.
But if we wanna think of all the people we've enco… moreuntered in TWD, these would be the best influences on Clem. They might not be Rick or Darryl, but they are the ones who would lead communities to the future. Instead of just killing to survive.
When the group is ambushed Jane is responsible for the final blow that ends to fighting, thus saving everone. When she's explaining it to Clem she said that it felt wrong as she has never killed anyone who hasn't personally wronged her in some way; even though, technically, Jane is responsible for the ambush in the first place.
Kenny might not have been the most civil person in the entire world. And granted his people skills could definitely have used some work! And… more he might have been somewhat of a control freak as well.
But in spite of all that, he still showed a lot of self-sacrificing spirit, he was willing to put himself in danger for people that he cared about.
In season one, he puts his own life in jeopardy, to save Christa, whom he had only known for a little more than a day. And in season 2 he gets nearly beaten to death, trying to protect Clementine from the consequences of his failed plan.
In my personal opinion, Kenny is the only real character in the game who you can actually count on. Bonnie for example, she was nice enough, but when her own life was at risk, when Clementine got shot and Kenny came out breathing Hellfire as a result and understandably so, Bonnie took off running.
And Mike on the other hand, when Clementine got shot, immediat… [view original content]
She feels guilty about killing someone who had never wronged her not about saving the group, more so how she saved the group. Also, I don't see why everyone suggests the ambush is Jane's fault when it happens regardless of all events prior, they ambush whether you stole from Arvo or not and regardless of how soon you leave.
When the group is ambushed Jane is responsible for the final blow that ends to fighting, thus saving everone. When she's explaining it to Cl… moreem she said that it felt wrong as she has never killed anyone who hasn't personally wronged her in some way; even though, technically, Jane is responsible for the ambush in the first place.
The ambush happens regardless b/c no matter what Jane robs Arvo no matter what--she steals Arvo's gun. Most people wouldn't feel guilty about saving their friends if someone was holding them at gun point. I think the fact that she says she's never killed anyone that hadn't personally wronged her show that she's never tried to save anyone. Most people take it personally when someone wrongs people(s) they care about.
She feels guilty about killing someone who had never wronged her not about saving the group, more so how she saved the group. Also, I don't … moresee why everyone suggests the ambush is Jane's fault when it happens regardless of all events prior, they ambush whether you stole from Arvo or not and regardless of how soon you leave.
Kenny might not have been the most civil person in the entire world. And granted his people skills could definitely have used some work! And… more he might have been somewhat of a control freak as well.
But in spite of all that, he still showed a lot of self-sacrificing spirit, he was willing to put himself in danger for people that he cared about.
In season one, he puts his own life in jeopardy, to save Christa, whom he had only known for a little more than a day. And in season 2 he gets nearly beaten to death, trying to protect Clementine from the consequences of his failed plan.
In my personal opinion, Kenny is the only real character in the game who you can actually count on. Bonnie for example, she was nice enough, but when her own life was at risk, when Clementine got shot and Kenny came out breathing Hellfire as a result and understandably so, Bonnie took off running.
And Mike on the other hand, when Clementine got shot, immediat… [view original content]
And Mike on the other hand, when Clementine got shot, immediately suggested that they leave her behind. Now there was a guy, who was only looking out for himself.
If you don't listen to Bonnie at the lake, she becomes horrible to you and during the scene when Clem gets shot, Bonnie actually says "just leave her" and Mike is the one looking concerned.
Kenny might not have been the most civil person in the entire world. And granted his people skills could definitely have used some work! And… more he might have been somewhat of a control freak as well.
But in spite of all that, he still showed a lot of self-sacrificing spirit, he was willing to put himself in danger for people that he cared about.
In season one, he puts his own life in jeopardy, to save Christa, whom he had only known for a little more than a day. And in season 2 he gets nearly beaten to death, trying to protect Clementine from the consequences of his failed plan.
In my personal opinion, Kenny is the only real character in the game who you can actually count on. Bonnie for example, she was nice enough, but when her own life was at risk, when Clementine got shot and Kenny came out breathing Hellfire as a result and understandably so, Bonnie took off running.
And Mike on the other hand, when Clementine got shot, immediat… [view original content]
Bitter Boy Blue you are lol. Despite what happened, at least he was the only one actually trying to help the group. Where was Luke? Why didn't he help? I bet you anything if Luke was the one who indirectly got Walter killed, you wouldn't say a bad word about him.
I love how people can hate a video game character so much. God what a fantastic job telltale did with Kenny.
I agree with you 100%, Kenny/Lee. I did the same in S1E5. I'm still hoping that choice plays a major impact later on.
I don't think Lee ever told Kenny determinantly that he wanted him to look after her when he's gone, i believe he only told Omid and Christa what he wanted as Kenny was occupied breaking through the attic wall. I would however absolutely love it if in S3 they referred to choices like this from S1 like Kenny could tell her something Lee determinantly said to him at some point during the game. It's little things like that which made season 1 special to me. They made so much effort into every single thing. Minor choices said during dialogue would carry over several episodes and not just major choices
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I disagree, just most people ignored it. He was completely unreliable. He proves it, time, after time, after time.
Thanks, I'm not one of those people that gets all upset over this kind of thing. I'm a professional writer in real life and I like to discuss the craft in these games. This game fascinates me, it's the first game IMO to really nail the tight writing of a real drama without having to break the narrative by jamming in gamey things like Mass Effect's constant time-for-a-shootout-and-button-pressing syndrome.
Oh I agree completely, he was such a fuckup I didn't even realize he was supposed to be the leader of the cabin group until my second play through.
I mean that he was just a genuinely nice guy. There was no dark side to him. He hardly ever got angry, let alone did anything bad.
Yeah I do hate the unoriginal choice of characters, can't argue there. It seems like they had good characters who had bad story lines, but let's hope that's behind us
Course you are.
I also don't agree that it was irrational, and also disagree that it was poorly executed. (AJ was completely safe all the time ..)
In that extreme situation simply there was no other option! Jane tried to reason with Kenny in the car saying they could go back to Howe's in one day, and they knew the location, and they knew that there was formula for AJ, and they knew that the building was good, and they knew that Carver's people probably fled or died.
What they knew about Wellington at that time? absolutely nothing, just a rumor...
And what Kenny said in return? something like:.. " Fuck you bitch.. I'd rather wander in the blizzard, surrounded by walkers everywhere. carrying a child and a newborn with me in search of a place I have not the slightest idea where or if it really exists! no matter if we'll take weeks to find it. "
I mean.. how can you trust something like that to work? even from someone you know for a long time? you're in a bloody ZA!
there is no significant room for failure or error.. still you'll actually risk your precious life like that? sorry Kenny, but Lee didn't sacrifice his life for me to play dice with the devil..
It was the same situation when Duck was bitten. he simply could not accept and confront the fact that he would lose his son. and when Lee tried to put some sense into him. he went to physical aggression. the difference is that Lee was a much stronger man and put him in his place quickly until he finally realized the real situation.
Jane seriously regretted letting her sister die that one day she was just too tired to push her. That decision has been eating her up ever since. You can tell by the things she says and how she acts. She sees Clem as a replacement sister, a second chance. Jane makes up in her mind she will do anything to get her sister back and creates that entire situation. Its all a scam to turn Clem on Kenny just like she tries to get Clem to give up on Sarah. Jane pretending to let that baby die is extremely believable because she does the same exact thing with Sarah on the collapsing deck scene.
I find it believable Clem would point the gun at Kenny because she really does like Jane. However there is no way Clem would pull the trigger on Kenny. Not after her last moment/conversation with Lee and how she felt after killing him. I feel Clementine would see thru the ruse and would not be manipulated to leave the person Lee told her to always trust.
oops... I picked Jane over Kenny cuz Jane was right about Kenny becoming more and more unstable because of everything that has happen to him and those he loved.
Alvin, Pete, and Walter would've been the best caretakers for Clem. No one else, not even Lee
Just made this choice for the first time today and I feel very sad. I choice to save Jane and shoot Kenny. I liked them both very much.
My Jane is even minded, pragmatic and attractive. She was helpful and brave. When she left my group I didn't hold it against her, she left when we were safe, she didn't steal food or cars (like Lilly or Mike) , it was just her nature to avoid pain of further loss. Then she came back Han Solo style! How could I get angry about that? She's like me, only a woman, and hot (Don't make it weird).
Then there's Kenny. My Lee and Kenny were good friends. Saving each other like brothers in arms. Loving to his family. Single mindedly focused on what he saw as the way to safety. Hot tempered? Yes. Stubborn? Yes. Quick to violence? Yes, but that is a vice and virtue in survival situations. He was loyal and almost gave his life for Christa. He reminds me of my Father, who is hot tempered, stubborn and acts childish if you don't agree. My Father who is loyal, honorable and self sacrificing though is never unjustly violent (think Authur Spooner from 'King of Queens' crossed with J.B. Books of 'the Shootist). So in my playthrough talking him and others down from extemes was second nature. The peace making didn't bother me, I didn't care if Arvo got a few beatings because i voted to kill him anyways, and Kenny's offer of possible death or enslavement searching for Wellington was better then Jane's offer of guaranteed death or enslavement at Howe's hardware. I liked them both, I trusted both, but I agreed with Kenny's plan warts and all.
But things changed and Kenny was killing Jane. He wouldn't stop, so I stopped him. It was righteous and justified, or so I thought. After I found out that AJ was alive, I just feel low. We were tricked, fooled. Then in shock I forgave Jane and went south with her. It felt hollow to forgive her, like i just gravitied to the last man standing. Why should she need to be forgiven? I'm the one who did it. I killed someone who had done right by me. My loyalty to standards was greater then my loyalty to a good friend. There was no right action for me, just different betrayals. Sorry this was longer then I had planned. This was emotional for me and I thank you for your patience. Now here's something you can use in an ad, "In summary: Telltale games and their Walking Dead games choices was so thought provoking and soul shedding, I hugged my Dad and I wept like a child. And you can too!"
I chose Jane. IMO, Kenny had evolved into something volatile and unstable. I tried really hard to bring him back with the options given, but in the end I felt that it wasn't enough. And I would never trust a person like him in a life and death situation. He was the cause of a lot of strife in the group, and looking back on it now I kinda blame him for the fracture in the group.
Before Jane revealed her plan to expose Kenny, I was already there in my mind, and had already figure out what she had done/was doing. Making the end choice was not difficult for me at all. Kenny was like the dog at the beginning of the season. He crossed the line and needed to be put down for attacking Jane. That was the last straw for me. Just my opinion.
I think this should be used in an advertisement somewhere. This is exactly what I think their games are so good.
the way i see it,jane is the one who is giving a fuck to anyone like sarah,luke,leaving the group cause she is teaching clem how to be a coldblood like by being coldblood in helping luke and sarah.sometimes trusting ANYONE you have just met could get you in trouble like mike and boney going and stealing without telling you.the thing is jane is killing, leaving everybody without trying to do something like (kenny is bad the only cure is death),who said that?kenny lost so much and the thing is kenny didn't have any trouble with jane in first,it was jane who started whisperring that kenny is.........you should do something,stay away from him,what the fuck girl,god damn you are selfish that's why,and i see no valid reasone in killing kenny on that moment cause jane was pissed him off by saying bullshit words about his family jane is to coldblood and i scared she might do something to baby like what he did to luke to sarah like(clem we are stuck throw the baby and lets go)at least kenny cares and is ready to put his life on line for baby.
I think the fact that Jane felt guilty about saving everyone is more indcative of her selfishness and aloofness, especially since Jane's decision to rob Arvo ( if you decide to let him keep the meds) is the reason Arvo's group ambushes them in the first place.
First, I ended with Kenny and we left Wellington. I don't think Jane was a sociopath. Sociopaths don't feel remorse and Jane felt guilty about leaving her sister for dead and she felt guilt about helping to save the group from the Russians. If she were truly a sociopath she would've left and not turned back or she would've merely saved the group and felt indifferent about it. Carver was a sociopath. When Bonnie is explaining the way Carver described Reggie's murder to her as "matter of fact; like a weed that needed to be pulled"... now that is sociopathology. Jane is aloof, but she's not a sociopath. Trying to manipulate someone doesn't necessarily mean that Jane is a sociopath.
Maybe Walter would protect her too much, like Carlos did to Sarah. But i think that Alvin would have been good, and Pete would have been perfect for Clem
Honestly I think Christa would be best. I mean she managed for 2 years. 2 YEARS. She's tough and doesn't give up on others. She's slow to trust (which is usually good cough cough Bonnie cough cough ) but if you win her onto your side she's very loyal, i.e. refusing to sell Clem out to the scavengers. All and all, tough but fair and while tough may not be pleasant it is for the best.
"Completely safe?" JANE LEFT HIM INSIDE A CAR! How would Clem and Kenny have known that he was alive if they hadn't heard him crying? He would've frozen to death in ten minutes or less!
That's what I love about Lee (my version of him, anyway). He was tender towards Clementine even under the darkest circumstances, which could never be said about Christa, sadly.
At first I chose Jane, but then I chose Kenny. I mean the plan Jane did was fucking stupid. She put a baby's life in danger JUST TO PROVE A POINT? God! I just didn't want people like that to be around Clementine. Kenny may have a short fuse, but he is fucking loyal to the end and was willing to so anything make sure Clem and Aj was safe. Even if it meant his life, I cannot say the same for Jane.
I wouldn't go that far.
When does Jane feel guilty about saving everyone?
He lasted the night in Kenny's arms for one and other than possible circumstances which never occur, AJ faced no dangers being left in the car.
This.
Wait didn't Kenneth insist on keeping hold of AJ even when he was standing guard at the transformer...there was a perfectly good fire you.g to keep the baby warm but nooo. So Kenny was not a paragon of child safety. Or who could forget him sending Clem with the radio to Luke..
Kenny might not have been the most civil person in the entire world. And granted his people skills could definitely have used some work! And he might have been somewhat of a control freak as well.
But in spite of all that, he still showed a lot of self-sacrificing spirit, he was willing to put himself in danger for people that he cared about.
In season one, he puts his own life in jeopardy, to save Christa, whom he had only known for a little more than a day. And in season 2 he gets nearly beaten to death, trying to protect Clementine from the consequences of his failed plan.
In my personal opinion, Kenny is the only real character in the game who you can actually count on. Bonnie for example, she was nice enough, but when her own life was at risk, when Clementine got shot and Kenny came out breathing Hellfire as a result and understandably so, Bonnie took off running.
And Mike on the other hand, when Clementine got shot, immediately suggested that they leave her behind. Now there was a guy, who was only looking out for himself.
Kenny took Clementine the distance. After that fight with Jane, and being badly wounded, Kenny took her all the way to Wellington, and then was willing to stay behind, if she could be allowed to enter into Wellington, knowing that he might never see her again.
in S1E5, I had Lee choose Kenny to be clementines next Guardian. And given what I saw in season 2, was Kenny's character, I think that was the right choice.
Your avatar and name are of Lee Everett. It's pretty obvious you wouldn't go that far.
But if we wanna think of all the people we've encountered in TWD, these would be the best influences on Clem. They might not be Rick or Darryl, but they are the ones who would lead communities to the future. Instead of just killing to survive.
Lee can care about Clem all he wants, but Christa did the same thing not only for longer, but while going through a (failed) pregnancy and losing her husband.
You know what Michonne went through, think about going through that while raising someone like Clem.
Christa is the real MVP
But what if their communities got attacked? You have to kill to survive, it's something you can't run away from in that world.
Why did this thread get necrobumped?
It's better that people argue here than make random salty threads all the time :P
When the group is ambushed Jane is responsible for the final blow that ends to fighting, thus saving everone. When she's explaining it to Clem she said that it felt wrong as she has never killed anyone who hasn't personally wronged her in some way; even though, technically, Jane is responsible for the ambush in the first place.
I'm not needed to say anything else, not for my man Kenny.
Tell Walter how awesome Kenny is.
She feels guilty about killing someone who had never wronged her not about saving the group, more so how she saved the group. Also, I don't see why everyone suggests the ambush is Jane's fault when it happens regardless of all events prior, they ambush whether you stole from Arvo or not and regardless of how soon you leave.
The ambush happens regardless b/c no matter what Jane robs Arvo no matter what--she steals Arvo's gun. Most people wouldn't feel guilty about saving their friends if someone was holding them at gun point. I think the fact that she says she's never killed anyone that hadn't personally wronged her show that she's never tried to save anyone. Most people take it personally when someone wrongs people(s) they care about.
I agree with you 100%, Kenny/Lee. I did the same in S1E5. I'm still hoping that choice plays a major impact later on.
If you don't listen to Bonnie at the lake, she becomes horrible to you and during the scene when Clem gets shot, Bonnie actually says "just leave her" and Mike is the one looking concerned.
Bitter Boy Blue you are lol. Despite what happened, at least he was the only one actually trying to help the group. Where was Luke? Why didn't he help? I bet you anything if Luke was the one who indirectly got Walter killed, you wouldn't say a bad word about him.
I love how people can hate a video game character so much. God what a fantastic job telltale did with Kenny.
I don't think Lee ever told Kenny determinantly that he wanted him to look after her when he's gone, i believe he only told Omid and Christa what he wanted as Kenny was occupied breaking through the attic wall. I would however absolutely love it if in S3 they referred to choices like this from S1 like Kenny could tell her something Lee determinantly said to him at some point during the game. It's little things like that which made season 1 special to me. They made so much effort into every single thing. Minor choices said during dialogue would carry over several episodes and not just major choices