Perhaps a lesbian couple
or a transexual person
How about a pedophilic, triracial, binational, semiromantic, quadrisexual, omniallergic babyfur otherkin? Who's also Italian.
My point is they're usually not well written, and hardly ever made the main characters, perhaps maybe a side kick.
Ah. Thanks for the clarification.
I see where you're coming from, that race/sexuality shouldn't be intrinsic to the character, that it shouldn't matter. But unfortunately in the real world, it does.
Then this is something humanity needs to get past. I suppose I should say "shouldn't" matter opposed to "doesn't" matter.
My point is they're usually not well written, and hardly ever made the main characters, perhaps maybe a side kick. They don't need to be in … morethe game, sure. I'm not saying having a gay in the game would somehow change everything, I'm just saying they really should be better represented in media. I see where you're coming from, that race/sexuality shouldn't be intrinsic to the character, that it shouldn't matter. But unfortunately in the real world, it does.
That has almost nothing to do with what I said. You're arguing about whether they have reason to feel insecure or not. I'm simply telling yo… moreu that a video game shouldn't have to make a conscious effort to make them feel better about themselves.
I used to occasionally be made fun of for being short. I was a little insecure about my height (I'm average now). Most male characters in TWD are taller than I am. Should I feel left out because of the lack of short people?
Seriously, this is the logic you are using. I don't mean to sound insensitive, but you guys are being ridiculous.
The media is not portraying them in a poor light.
Whats wrong with the token gay guy? Are you saying there is something wrong with the to… moreken gay guy? It really looks like it. Are you trying to say that "token" gay guys are damaging to "normal" gay guys? This is looking really contradictive..
Its not about people feeling better about themselves
Could have fooled me. I really think this is a big part of it.
its trying to create a healthier more accepting society.
That's nice and all, but not necessary. A video game or story does not have to do this.
My point is they're usually not well written, and hardly ever made the main characters, perhaps maybe a side kick.
Ah. Thanks for th… moree clarification.
I see where you're coming from, that race/sexuality shouldn't be intrinsic to the character, that it shouldn't matter. But unfortunately in the real world, it does.
Then this is something humanity needs to get past. I suppose I should say "shouldn't" matter opposed to "doesn't" matter.
FFS, by saying it was alive I was saying its still a problem, not to brush it under the rug because there is a black president.
I do… moren't know how many times I need to openly state that racism is still an existing problem.
(Here, I'll bold it for you this time.)
I wasn't brushing anything under the rug. I was showing that our society as a whole does not follow the mantra of "white is right".
And you can't be intellectually honest and say that the only problems blacks/gays have are their own apparent insecurity. Are you retarded mate?
Is this a joke?? I never said that. You're coming to that conclusion 100% on your own. Seriously, please try and quote me on that. Please don't question my intelligence when you seemingly can't even read or properly comprehend what I'm telling you.
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I suppose I shouldn't say being catered to and being represented are the same thing, that obviously isn't entirely accurate. However, they can go hand in hand... especially in the subject matter that we are talking about. It depends what sense we're looking at. If you want the media to better represent your group so you can feel better about yourself or your group, that is technically being catered to.
yeah but thats the sense we're talking about. the people that are black,asian,latino,gay,bi,trans or whatever that want representation aren't insecure at all. they're very confident in themselves and are tired of the media stereotyping them.
I suppose I shouldn't say being catered to and being represented are the same thing, that obviously isn't entirely accurate. However, they c… morean go hand in hand... especially in the subject matter that we are talking about. It depends what sense we're looking at. If you want the media to better represent your group so you can feel better about yourself or your group, that is technically being catered to.
So, what if this harassment about my height made me feel so bad about myself that I went and commited suicide? Would it still not be comparable? Doesn't compare to the struggles of being harassed about skin color?
We're simply looking at human beings treating other human beings poorly. This isn't complicated stuff.
So, what if this harassment about my height made me feel so bad about myself that I went and commited suicide? Would it still not be compara… moreble? Doesn't compare to the struggles of being harassed about skin color?
We're simply looking at human beings treating other human beings poorly. This isn't complicated stuff.
So, what if this harassment about my height made me feel so bad about myself that I went and commited suicide? Would it still not be compara… moreble? Doesn't compare to the struggles of being harassed about skin color?
We're simply looking at human beings treating other human beings poorly. This isn't complicated stuff.
no being short and being black,asian,latino are not the same thing. you grow people grow but i can't ever change my skin color or race. don't try to throw suicide in there so i'll say dumb shit and then you can use that against me. i see what you're doing.
So, what if this harassment about my height made me feel so bad about myself that I went and commited suicide? Would it still not be compara… moreble? Doesn't compare to the struggles of being harassed about skin color?
We're simply looking at human beings treating other human beings poorly. This isn't complicated stuff.
One thing that's kind of strange me is the insistence that people need to have characters with the same demographics as them in a game in order to have someone to relate to. Isn't it easier to relate to someone who shares similar personality traits as you rather than physical traits? The characters I've related to in the Walking Dead are not the ones who share much in common with me physically but ones who approach situations and events in the same manner that I would approach them.
I really like Chuck because he's laidback and incisive, not because he's male, old, a vagrant, or an alcoholic. I really like Christa because she's calm, cautious, and reasonable, not because she's black, a woman, or pregnant. So my preference would be for Telltale to include more characters with those personality traits that I share and gravitate towards, not characters who happen to have the same color skin, anatomical parts, or sexual orientation as me. I wonder if people in here feel differently.
Perhaps a lesbian couple
or a transexual person
How about a pedophilic, triracial, binational, semiromantic, quadrisexual, omniallergic babyfur otherkin? Who's also Italian.
One thing that's kind of strange me is the insistence that people need to have characters with the same demographics as them in a game in or… moreder to have someone to relate to. Isn't it easier to relate to someone who shares similar personality traits as you rather than physical traits? The characters I've related to in the Walking Dead are not the ones who share much in common with me physically but ones who approach situations and events in the same manner that I would approach them.
I really like Chuck because he's laidback and incisive, not because he's male, old, a vagrant, or an alcoholic. I really like Christa because she's calm, cautious, and reasonable, not because she's black, a woman, or pregnant. So my preference would be for Telltale to include more characters with those personality traits that I share and gravitate towards, not characters who happen to have the same color skin, anatomical parts, or sexual orientation as me. I wonder if people in here feel differently.
To be fair, some short people don't grow, are short all their lives. But very few people are going around saying 'disgusting short people, shouldn't allowed to marry etc' either
no being short and being black,asian,latino are not the same thing. you grow people grow but i can't ever change my skin color or race. don'… moret try to throw suicide in there so i'll say dumb shit and then you can use that against me. i see what you're doing.
no being short and being black,asian,latino are not the same thing.
Never said they were.
We're simply talking about physical characteristics in general.
you grow people grow but i can't ever change my skin color or race.
Maybe I thought I would never grow taller? Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're splitting hairs here. To make this easier, lets look at a short person who is done growing. Lets say he faces harassment in his life for being short/ he can't escape his demons from being made fun of in the past. He can't outgrow how he is physically. Should he expect short people to be well represented in media so he can feel like less of a minority?
don't try to throw suicide in there so i'll say dumb shit and then you can use that against me. i see what you're doing.
Umm... what?
Just making the point that it doesn't matter what physical characteristic is being ridiculed.
no being short and being black,asian,latino are not the same thing. you grow people grow but i can't ever change my skin color or race. don'… moret try to throw suicide in there so i'll say dumb shit and then you can use that against me. i see what you're doing.
but BEINGSHORT and BEING BLACK,ASIAN,LATINO OR LGBT ARE NOT THE SAME THING. short people don't get discriminated against. you'll never see someone not get a job because they're short. it would never happen. you really DON'T get it man.
You completely missed the point. And no I'm not trying to look like a victim lol
Simply looking at people treating other people poorly. The reasons why are largely irrelevant.
To be fair, some short people don't grow, are short all their lives. But very few people are going around saying 'disgusting short people, shouldn't allowed to marry etc' either
you compared them so you were implying that they were. you don't get dude we don't want to feel like less of an minority. we want people to stop treating us like shit because of something they saw on T.V.
no being short and being black,asian,latino are not the same thing.
Never said they were.
We're simply talking about physical cha… moreracteristics in general.
you grow people grow but i can't ever change my skin color or race.
Maybe I thought I would never grow taller? Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're splitting hairs here. To make this easier, lets look at a short person who is done growing. Lets say he faces harassment in his life for being short/ he can't escape his demons from being made fun of in the past. He can't outgrow how he is physically. Should he expect short people to be well represented in media so he can feel like less of a minority?
don't try to throw suicide in there so i'll say dumb shit and then you can use that against me. i see what you're doing.
Umm... what?
Just making the point that it doesn't matter what physical characteristic is being ridiculed.
This is going in circles, you didn't address a single thing I just said. This is so pointless.
I'm not even saying these people are necessarily insecure.. how the conversation got warped to that is beyond me. I was only talking about that in a particular sort of instance.
yeah but thats the sense we're talking about. the people that are black,asian,latino,gay,bi,trans or whatever that want representation aren'… moret insecure at all. they're very confident in themselves and are tired of the media stereotyping them.
you said we want to be catered to but we don't.
no being short and being black,asian,latino are not the same thing.
Never said they were.
We're simply talking about physical cha… moreracteristics in general.
you grow people grow but i can't ever change my skin color or race.
Maybe I thought I would never grow taller? Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're splitting hairs here. To make this easier, lets look at a short person who is done growing. Lets say he faces harassment in his life for being short/ he can't escape his demons from being made fun of in the past. He can't outgrow how he is physically. Should he expect short people to be well represented in media so he can feel like less of a minority?
don't try to throw suicide in there so i'll say dumb shit and then you can use that against me. i see what you're doing.
Umm... what?
Just making the point that it doesn't matter what physical characteristic is being ridiculed.
This is going in circles, you didn't address a single thing I just said. This is so pointless.
I'm not even saying these people are neces… moresarily insecure.. how the conversation got warped to that is beyond me. I was only talking about that in a particular sort of instance.
This is really off-topic, but any chance you do the same thing for Carver? I mean, post crowbar Carver? Edit a beard on his bashed in face and a couple of eyepatches over what use to be his eye sockets with the same subtitle? Because I'd really love to see that. XD
What people are asking isn't so much for TT to have LGBT characters... but for the gaming community to be more accepting! How many gamers co… moremplained about the fact that in Mass Effect 3, if you haven't played Mass Effect 1 or 2, and you play as FemShep you can only engage in Lesbian relationships!
No guy has complained about that... on the other hand, there was this HUGE uproar when they introduced gay relationships for the same game! What the hell, gaming community?!
Talk about misogyny and homophobia and, worst of all, hypocresy!
TT, just bring Matthew back for Season Three, he's really cute.
There, a quick Photoshop sesion by me and he's ready for S3.
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Being a token isn't good, they aren't true characters and usually aren't important ones. They are like objects in a way...
people are tired of being stereotypes.
Jesus, are you fucking kidding me?
That's fucking stupid, Ben
Ah. Thanks for the clarification.
Then this is something humanity needs to get past. I suppose I should say "shouldn't" matter opposed to "doesn't" matter.
you're comparing being fun for being short with being made fun for black,asian,latino or gay? wow you're really stupid.
media affects society so video game or stories should try to.
And humanity is likely too get past it when it becomes accepted and normal in mainstream media/society, you see?
you didn't say it but you implied it.
I suppose I shouldn't say being catered to and being represented are the same thing, that obviously isn't entirely accurate. However, they can go hand in hand... especially in the subject matter that we are talking about. It depends what sense we're looking at. If you want the media to better represent your group so you can feel better about yourself or your group, that is technically being catered to.
that all we're saying but he doesn't get it.
Yeah, it seems he thinks they just want a pat on the back, to relieve their 'inherent insecurity'. Idk.
yeah but thats the sense we're talking about. the people that are black,asian,latino,gay,bi,trans or whatever that want representation aren't insecure at all. they're very confident in themselves and are tired of the media stereotyping them.
you said we want to be catered to but we don't.
So, what if this harassment about my height made me feel so bad about myself that I went and commited suicide? Would it still not be comparable? Doesn't compare to the struggles of being harassed about skin color?
We're simply looking at human beings treating other human beings poorly. This isn't complicated stuff.
yeah i'm black and i'm not insecrure about it all and i'm sure LGBT are very happy with themselves as well.
Completely irrelevant, but I'm 5'5 and likely fully grown. Fucking sucks
As long as they aren't negatively effecting it, they don't have to do anything.
Good for you man, most LGBT people I've met are secure people as well
Being short? You can easily change your height (temporarily) with shoes. Are you trying to make yourself appear as a victim?
no being short and being black,asian,latino are not the same thing. you grow people grow but i can't ever change my skin color or race. don't try to throw suicide in there so i'll say dumb shit and then you can use that against me. i see what you're doing.
One thing that's kind of strange me is the insistence that people need to have characters with the same demographics as them in a game in order to have someone to relate to. Isn't it easier to relate to someone who shares similar personality traits as you rather than physical traits? The characters I've related to in the Walking Dead are not the ones who share much in common with me physically but ones who approach situations and events in the same manner that I would approach them.
I really like Chuck because he's laidback and incisive, not because he's male, old, a vagrant, or an alcoholic. I really like Christa because she's calm, cautious, and reasonable, not because she's black, a woman, or pregnant. So my preference would be for Telltale to include more characters with those personality traits that I share and gravitate towards, not characters who happen to have the same color skin, anatomical parts, or sexual orientation as me. I wonder if people in here feel differently.
Please tell me you are kidding me... comparing a relationship between two CONSENTING ADULTS to those abominations?
Hey, man, Italians aren't that bad.
yeah you could say that but sitting on the sidelines isn't that great either.
I'm around average now, so I can't really complain. 5'10 on a good day
yes he is and its stupid.
Its not about relating to the character, its about showing society that these are normal, acceptable people who shouldn't be ostracized
You completely missed the point. And no I'm not trying to look like a victim lol
Simply looking at people treating other people poorly. The reasons why are largely irrelevant.
Fuck you
. My brothers 6'3 as well, what the fuck genetics!
To be fair, some short people don't grow, are short all their lives. But very few people are going around saying 'disgusting short people, shouldn't allowed to marry etc' either
Never said they were.
We're simply talking about physical characteristics in general.
Maybe I thought I would never grow taller? Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're splitting hairs here. To make this easier, lets look at a short person who is done growing. Lets say he faces harassment in his life for being short/ he can't escape his demons from being made fun of in the past. He can't outgrow how he is physically. Should he expect short people to be well represented in media so he can feel like less of a minority?
Umm... what?
Just making the point that it doesn't matter what physical characteristic is being ridiculed.
but BEING SHORT and BEING BLACK,ASIAN,LATINO OR LGBT ARE NOT THE SAME THING. short people don't get discriminated against. you'll never see someone not get a job because they're short. it would never happen. you really DON'T get it man.
That is absolutely a part of it.
yeah no one says "short people can't marry tall people" doesn't happen.
Are you pedo-otherkin-phobic?
you compared them so you were implying that they were. you don't get dude we don't want to feel like less of an minority. we want people to stop treating us like shit because of something they saw on T.V.
This is going in circles, you didn't address a single thing I just said. This is so pointless.
I'm not even saying these people are necessarily insecure.. how the conversation got warped to that is beyond me. I was only talking about that in a particular sort of instance.
Have short people been hanged?
Have short people been killed?
Short people can't marry?
Short people can't go to school?
Please stop victimizing yourself. If you are going to kill yourself for being short wear some heels then.
yes you did say people are insecure don't act like you didn't.
"We all simply think it is silly to cater a game to people insecure about their race or sexuality."
you said that.
This is really off-topic, but any chance you do the same thing for Carver? I mean, post crowbar Carver? Edit a beard on his bashed in face and a couple of eyepatches over what use to be his eye sockets with the same subtitle? Because I'd really love to see that. XD
No, I didn't at all.