Walkers were coming, she had baby in her arms and she couldnt protect herself while she held the baby?
Walker were coming slowly, like walkers do. That she had a baby in her arms doesn´t mean she could not have keep the walker off of Clem so she could shoot him, or simply wait for Clem to kill the walker instead of running on to put her plan into action.
They talk about if clems group has any ammo to steal and then wonder if they actually have anything worth stealing.
Yes. After Arvo tells them about Clem´s group. And like I said, if not because of Jane, Arvo and the Russians could not have known about Clem´s group.
Tell me, what prevented Jane to keep the walker off Clem or wait for Clem to shoot it instead of running off?
Walkers were coming, s… morehe had baby in her arms and she couldnt protect herself while she held the baby?
The dialogue of the Russians does not give any reason to think they planned to rob Clem´s group
They talk about if clems group has any ammo to steal and then wonder if they actually have anything worth stealing.
Russian guy was actually doing something harmful to people she cared about (some more than others).
Leaving aside that I don´t think she cared about anybody else except Luke or Clem in any way, she should have realized that letting Arvo go could just cause problems, so letting Arvo go was harmful. Arvo and Vittali may as well be the same.So like I said, she didn´t kill Arvo only because Clem was there to watch, and nothing more.
Walker were coming slowly, like walkers do. That she had a baby in her arms doesn´t mean she could not have keep the walker off of Clem so she could shoot him, or simply wait for Clem to kill the walker instead of running on to put her plan into action.
After they hit the walker and car crashed, Jane protected the baby from the walker (because the walker ignored Clementine and was focusing only on Jane) and went outside asap and told Clem to do the same. However Clementines door was stuck so she had to shoot the walkers and go through the other door. Jane waited outside for a second and then she saw 2 walkers going after her, so she had to move.
And why would they not rob them, if its only Clementine and Jane they expect to walk there? 2 targets would be a lot easier to rob than how many they actually had. Even the russians say that theres too many of them.
Walkers were coming, she had baby in her arms and she couldnt protect herself while she held the baby?
Walker were coming slowly, li… moreke walkers do. That she had a baby in her arms doesn´t mean she could not have keep the walker off of Clem so she could shoot him, or simply wait for Clem to kill the walker instead of running on to put her plan into action.
They talk about if clems group has any ammo to steal and then wonder if they actually have anything worth stealing.
Yes. After Arvo tells them about Clem´s group. And like I said, if not because of Jane, Arvo and the Russians could not have known about Clem´s group.
After they hit the walker and car crashed, Jane protected the baby from the walker (because the walker ignored Clementine and was focusing only on Jane) and went outside asap and told Clem to do the same.
Simply leaning back on her seat could have done the same thing; that walker was not going to move off the windshield.
However Clementines door was stuck so she had to shoot the walkers and go through the other door.
The walker, you mean. There was only the one stuck walker.
Jane waited outside for a second and then she saw 2 walkers going after her, so she had to move.
Maybe. Or maybe she saw the chance of putting her plan into action. Besides, like I said, this could have be prevented if she stayed in the car. Which she didn´t.
And why would they not rob them, if its only Clementine and Jane they expect to walk there? 2 targets would be a lot easier to rob than how many they actually had. Even the russians say that theres too many of them.
You are ignoring what I said. I didn´t say they could not rob them, but that, if not because of Jane, Arvo and the Russians could not have know about Clem´s group.
Walker were coming slowly, like walkers do. That she had a baby in her arms doesn´t mean she could not have keep the walker off of Clem so s… morehe could shoot him, or simply wait for Clem to kill the walker instead of running on to put her plan into action.
After they hit the walker and car crashed, Jane protected the baby from the walker (because the walker ignored Clementine and was focusing only on Jane) and went outside asap and told Clem to do the same. However Clementines door was stuck so she had to shoot the walkers and go through the other door. Jane waited outside for a second and then she saw 2 walkers going after her, so she had to move.
And why would they not rob them, if its only Clementine and Jane they expect to walk there? 2 targets would be a lot easier to rob than how many they actually had. Even the russians say that theres too many of them.
Russian guy was actually doing something harmful to people she cared about (some more than others).
Leaving aside that I don´t think… more she cared about anybody else except Luke or Clem in any way, she should have realized that letting Arvo go could just cause problems, so letting Arvo go was harmful. Arvo and Vittali may as well be the same.So like I said, she didn´t kill Arvo only because Clem was there to watch, and nothing more.
Funny that you mentioned that, because Arvo and Vitali have same voice actor.
So, should we blame Clementine for being there and not letting Jane kill Arvo?
Simply leaning back on her seat could have done the same thing; that walker was not going to move off the windshield.
Yeah, there was so much space & time to start kicking that walkers head in.
The walker, you mean. There was only the one stuck walker.
Typo.
Maybe. Or maybe she saw the chance of putting her plan into action. Besides, like I said, this could have be prevented if she stayed in the car. Which she didn´t.
You can see her looking at Clem and then she sees 2 walkers coming at her and she starts running (you see one of these walkers walk past the door).
You are ignoring what I said. I didn´t say they could not rob them, but that, if not because of Jane, Arvo and the Russians could not have know about Clem´s group.
You're the one who ignored everything i said. After Arvo knew about them, he probably told his friends about this so they could ambush them. If they actually knew how big group they had, they could have possibly ignored them passing through.
After they hit the walker and car crashed, Jane protected the baby from the walker (because the walker ignored Clementine and was focusing o… morenly on Jane) and went outside asap and told Clem to do the same.
Simply leaning back on her seat could have done the same thing; that walker was not going to move off the windshield.
However Clementines door was stuck so she had to shoot the walkers and go through the other door.
The walker, you mean. There was only the one stuck walker.
Jane waited outside for a second and then she saw 2 walkers going after her, so she had to move.
Maybe. Or maybe she saw the chance of putting her plan into action. Besides, like I said, this could have be prevented if she stayed in the car. Which she didn´t.
And why would they not rob them, if its only Clementine and Jane they expect to walk there? 2 targets would be a lot easier to rob than how many they actually had. Even the r… [view original content]
Well thats one problem. Jane knows what has to be done but Clem doesnt. Jane shouldnt have tried to rob him for the group, but it seemed like she was trying to be part of the group at that point, so she tried her best to benefit the group.
Yeah, there was so much space & time to start kicking that walkers head in.
More than enough space, in my opinion.
You can see her looking at Clem and then she sees 2 walkers coming at her and she starts running (you see one of these walkers walk past the door).
Yes, she looks at Clem and sees 2 walkers and she starts running. Does not change she could have stayed at the car and the situation could have be different.
If they actually knew how big group they had, they could have possibly ignored them passing through.
Simply leaning back on her seat could have done the same thing; that walker was not going to move off the windshield.
Yeah, there … morewas so much space & time to start kicking that walkers head in.
The walker, you mean. There was only the one stuck walker.
Typo.
Maybe. Or maybe she saw the chance of putting her plan into action. Besides, like I said, this could have be prevented if she stayed in the car. Which she didn´t.
You can see her looking at Clem and then she sees 2 walkers coming at her and she starts running (you see one of these walkers walk past the door).
You are ignoring what I said. I didn´t say they could not rob them, but that, if not because of Jane, Arvo and the Russians could not have know about Clem´s group.
You're the one who ignored everything i said. After Arvo knew about them, he probably told his friends about this so they could ambush them. If they actually knew how big group they had, they could have possibly ignored them passing through.
Well, I much prefer that Clem stays like Clem instead of becoming Molly 2.0 or Jane 2.0.
Jane shouldnt have tried to rob him for the group, but it seemed like she was trying to be part of the group at that point, so she tried her best to benefit the group.
It was for Clem, because Clem cared about the group.
Well thats one problem. Jane knows what has to be done but Clem doesnt. Jane shouldnt have tried to rob him for the group, but it seemed like she was trying to be part of the group at that point, so she tried her best to benefit the group.
Yeah, there was so much space & time to start kicking that walkers head in.
More than enough space, in my opinion.
You can… more see her looking at Clem and then she sees 2 walkers coming at her and she starts running (you see one of these walkers walk past the door).
Yes, she looks at Clem and sees 2 walkers and she starts running. Does not change she could have stayed at the car and the situation could have be different.
If they actually knew how big group they had, they could have possibly ignored them passing through.
Yeah, okay, that´s true.
Jane knows what has to be done but Clem doesnt.
Well, I much prefer that Clem stays like Clem instead of becoming Molly 2.0 or Jane … more2.0.
Jane shouldnt have tried to rob him for the group, but it seemed like she was trying to be part of the group at that point, so she tried her best to benefit the group.
It was for Clem, because Clem cared about the group.
More than enough space, in my opinion.
Did you not see the gif? She was barely out of reach of the walker and couldnt have possibly kicked the walkers head.
Did you not see the gif? She was barely out of reach of the walker and couldnt have possibly kicked the walkers head.
Kicked the walkers head, no, but nothing prevented Jane for putting a boot under the walkers chin and slam him around.
Hopefully this changes in the future and we can really affect how our Clementines change.
Well, I don´t really mind if Season 3 gives the option of having Clem become Molly 2.0 or Jane 2.0, but I also what the option of letting her stay like herself.
This will just go in circle, so lets stop it here.
Well, I much prefer that Clem stays like Clem instead of becoming Molly 2.0 or Jane 2.0.
Hopefully this changes in the future and we… more can really affect how our Clementines change.
It was for Clem, because Clem cared about the group.
This will just go in circle, so lets stop it here.
That walker could have easily grabbed her leg and just bite her...
She could have slammed it back agaist the top of the car, and break its head agaist it. She didn´t even need to kill it, just hold it off so Clem could shot it.
Well, I don´t really mind if Season 3 gives the option of having Clem become Molly 2.0 or Jane 2.0, but I also what the option of letting her stay like herself.
I mean that Clementine can be more like the player, very much like Lee was. Wouldnt you want Clementine to have more dialogues and decisions you would personally pick and that changes you Clementine to be more like you would be? Like for me, its hard to identify with the character, because she cares about different things than i do. The baby for example. Also, there are sometimes such a bad dialogue options, that i just remain silent for long periods of time.
Hopefully this changes in the future and we can really affect how our Clementines change.
Well, I don´t really mind if Season 3 give… mores the option of having Clem become Molly 2.0 or Jane 2.0, but I also what the option of letting her stay like herself.
This will just go in circle, so lets stop it here.
Okay.
That walker could have easily grabbed her leg and just bite her...
She could have slammed it back agaist the top of the car, and break its head agaist it. She didn´t even need to kill it, just hold it off so Clem could shot it.
Yeah, but there is a problem with that. Clem as a canon personality, and they cannot really mesh with that without lots of buildup, but Lee had pretty much only one canon detail, that he was a convicted killer, so he was naturally a lot more malleable.
Well, I don´t really mind if Season 3 gives the option of having Clem become Molly 2.0 or Jane 2.0, but I also what the option of letting he… morer stay like herself.
I mean that Clementine can be more like the player, very much like Lee was. Wouldnt you want Clementine to have more dialogues and decisions you would personally pick and that changes you Clementine to be more like you would be? Like for me, its hard to identify with the character, because she cares about different things than i do. The baby for example. Also, there are sometimes such a bad dialogue options, that i just remain silent for long periods of time.
Well all im hoping is that they change this next season (she grows up fast in world like that and because of all the decisions she has had to make). And add more walking around and chatting with random people to the game.
Yeah, but there is a problem with that. Clem as a canon personality, and they cannot really mesh with that without lots of buildup, but Lee … morehad pretty much only one canon detail, that he was a convicted killer, so he was naturally a lot more malleable.
Well all im hoping is that they change this next season (she grows up fast in world like that and because of all the decisions she has had to make). And add more walking around and chatting with random people to the game.
And giving Clem a ride to Macon,helping Lee find out the truth about the dairy before everyone became meal,fixing the RV and thus saving her and everyone when the bandits attacked,sticking around after his family died so he could "help the folk he cared about" as he put it,joining Lee's search party, sacrificing himself to save Clem's friends Ben or Christa, and sacrificing himself again for her and AJ at Wellington
And it was pretty frustrating he didn't have my back right off the bat. It was tempting to tell him fuck off But nah.. I couldn't do that.
And Clementine was perfectly capable of reaching Wellington on her own. And Kenny "sacrificing" himself for Ben or Christa? That was supposed to be a suicide attempt. Gavin Hammon himself said Kenny's deleted death scene happened there.
I really don't understand how Kenny "sacrificed" himself to let Clem and AJ live in Wellington. He didn't do anything special really. Clem could've even gotten there on her own.
Kenny's a good guy. But don't see what makes him "super special". The only thing probably is time. If you known someone for so long, I guess you'll probably be hesitant to shoot him... But then again, they spent about 16 months away from each other.
And giving Clem a ride to Macon,helping Lee find out the truth about the dairy before everyone became meal,fixing the RV and thus saving her… more and everyone when the bandits attacked,sticking around after his family died so he could "help the folk he cared about" as he put it,joining Lee's search party, sacrificing himself to save Clem's friends Ben or Christa, and sacrificing himself again for her and AJ at Wellington
Helping Lee is indirectly helping Clem because he was her guardian at the time
Just because she could have made it to Well on her own doesn't take the credit that he brought her there in the end. That's like saying Clem could have made out of the herd in EP4 on her own, so Jane staying back to help her doesn't count at all, or that she could have went back to Howe's on her own so Jane sticking with her isn't deserving of praise. C'mon.
Kenny says before crossing the balcony and Ben / Christa's accident that he resents what Katjaa did and that he'd never commit suicide, and if he truly wanted to die and wasn't trying to help them, he would have never made it out of there to meet us in Season 2. Seriously, to make it through something like that, I think the will to live has to be pretty strong.
I'm just saying Kenny's a dick but he's not a complete dick all the time like some people make him out to be.
He did that for Lee, not Clementine.
And it was pretty frustrating he didn't have my back right off the bat. It was tempting to tell him … morefuck off But nah.. I couldn't do that.
And Clementine was perfectly capable of reaching Wellington on her own. And Kenny "sacrificing" himself for Ben or Christa? That was supposed to be a suicide attempt. Gavin Hammon himself said Kenny's deleted death scene happened there.
I really don't understand how Kenny "sacrificed" himself to let Clem and AJ live in Wellington. He didn't do anything special really. Clem could've even gotten there on her own.
Kenny's a good guy. But don't see what makes him "super special". The only thing probably is time. If you known someone for so long, I guess you'll probably be hesitant to shoot him... But then again, they spent about 16 months away from each other.
So...I really don't know.
You bring up a lot of BS to make a point , he never killed ben until he felt sorry for him and didn't want him to be eaten alive and in doing that almost got himself killed....
Oh well zykelator is a die hard jane fan and a kenny hater thats why you are talking so much BS because people side with kenny and they have every right to
Why Lilly should have shot Kenny? Even after Kenny murdered her father, she didnt try to kill Kenny. If someone did that to Kenny, he WOULD murder you (Ben situation proving the point).
Well i've been saying this many times, but only thing which stops Kenny from killing group members is other group members.
Never said people cant side with Kenny. Theres plently of people who prefer to be loyal to old friends than put priority on their own survival.
You bring up a lot of BS to make a point , he never killed ben until he felt sorry for him and didn't want him to be eaten alive and in doin… moreg that almost got himself killed....
Oh well zykelator is a die hard jane fan and a kenny hater thats why you are talking so much BS because people side with kenny and they have every right to
Well i've been saying this many times, but only thing which stops Kenny from killing group members is other group members.
Never said peopl… moree cant side with Kenny. Theres plently of people who prefer to be loyal to old friends than put priority on their own survival.
This forum totally mislead me I shot Kenny and thought the bullet would ricochet off his mustache and kill Jane, but that didn't happen I was like WTF?!
and why the ???
Lily knew that if her dad was dead they would've ben in a lot of trouble and kenny did something about it what if they waited and a 300 pound seriously pissed off walker tries to eat you and you're in a closed off storage cell
and thats why she didn't shoot him because he may have saved them all
and why the ???
Lily knew that if her dad was dead they would've ben in a lot of trouble and kenny did something about it what if they wait… moreed and a 300 pound seriously pissed off walker tries to eat you and you're in a closed off storage cell
and thats why she didn't shoot him because he may have saved them all
Forgive me nugget for only being capable of reading a few sentences (it's very early in the morning), but it just appeared to me that Jane did want to fight Kenny. She isn't capable of killing another human being intentionally, which is why she put her knife away and proceeding to only attack Kenny without really trying to kill him. However, she really did want to fight him, and the main reason wasn't to show he's a short-tempered time bomb that could snap at any moment. It's about Clementine. She came back for her, and wanted to convince to her that she doesn't need Kenny.
Jane just wants Clementine to herself. Basically her replacement of Jamie, solely because she's not a quitter, which is why Jane turned down Sarah and looked more towards Clem. She's a manipulator, and just needed to find a way to get rid of Kenny. She uses the time bomb excuse as a way to make the best of things. The way to try to get out of a problem when AJ was found alive, the ride up north scene, and so on.
It's most likely absurd that I think from this perspective, but I'm just thinking around the direction that Telltale wanted Jane to drive us into. And while she was right, that's already obvious. It's been like that since Season 1, and we've always known of Kenny's aggressive behavior, and Clementine's always known that as well, but it took Jane to try to seal the deal.
Either way, it seems it won't matter with all these endings anyways. Doesn't matter who was right or wrong, S3 will not have two different plots, and both Kenny and Jane are determinant. It's best not to already state the obvious that Kenny's time to go was there and blah blah or Jane was a psycho blah blah because it really won't matter in a year or two anyways. The only difference the two endings will have effect is only on Clementine's viewpoint. She can go with Jane and be a full self-reliable long wolf capable survivor, or a still forgivable survivor of sympathy who still tries to make the best of things. Or go alone and be a ruthless motherfucker, but I mean really, it's going to be dropped soon so whoever is more sensible in your opinion will have tiny effect in your unfinished journey in the near future.
I see and understand what you think about the others in the group.
I still believe that Jane did not set out to kill Kenny, but the situa… moretion just escalated out of control and she couldn't control the rage inside her anymore.
Yeah Bonnie and Mike taking all the supply was pretty messed up. Didn't think they would perform such a selfish act judging by their previous actions in the group.
He's normally a passionate person. He's so strongly passionate for his loved ones and his way of doing things that he doesn't consider anything else a valid option, or even smart. Being unable to reign it in and think rationally, especially when his loved ones and/or his plan for the future is/are in jeopardy, is his one major flaw. It goes beyond immature, too. Other people are able to stew over conflicts that result from their immature behavior and eventually apologize and reform according to the lesson behind the conflict in question, even if it takes a month to happen. This is because they ultimately put other people first, or recognize that themselves or their loved ones are not the only people who matter. Kenny is different. He consistently refuses to acknowledge that other peoples' plans have merit even if they don't involve the same methods. He continues to lay blame on people for situations that get out of hand, but seem to have been started by them, whether or not the intent to cause problems was originally there to begin with.
This happened with Ben, and he forgave Ben. Later, he lashes out at the group(even Clem, determinant) for seeing no way to escape before being imprisoned, which indeed there wasn't. He sensed that there was danger at the hardware store, and this turned on his Action Man switch in disregard to all other circumstantial factors. Later, when meeting Reggie, he immediately antagonizes him for choosing the safety of Carver's camp despite his authoritarian methods. Reggie wouldn't have helped, but he wasn't against the group choosing differently. It didn't matter to Kenny. Reggie didn't want to leave and didn't want to help, and that put him on his blacklist. Later, when the source of his newfound joy and happiness dies, he lays blame on Clementine almost immediately when he registers her presence. When Luke is found in the aftermath of what is clearly a tryst seized in trade for abandoning his post for roughly 10 minutes, he blames Luke for not warning them of the nearby herd(which honestly is quite reasonable, because even though Luke isn't directly responsible for all that happened while he wasn't on watch, he certainly could have given them a heads-up, which required that he do his job and keep his third eye shut). In Episode 5, after a shootout that put the baby's life in danger and almost seriously wounded Luke, he looks for a scapegoat, finds one that seems the most reasonable to him and immediately tries to kill him. And he would have, had not Mike and Luke got between them fast enough. Seeing some sense in what they're saying, he chooses to hold off on killing Arvo for the sake of supplies promised, but don't think for a second that Kenny would have honored the silent consent he gave to let him travel with them. Throughout the time they travel together, Kenny takes out his frustration on Arvo in ways that don't involve ending his life or pushing the rest of the group away. They certainly do alienate them from him even while he holds onto restraint. He later loses that restraint when Luke and Bonnie(determinant) drown and Clem nearly almost does. Because once Sarita dies, he has nothing that can reasonably hold him back. He respects Clem enough to regret anything she disapproves of, but she's still a little girl to him, not smart enough to have independent views worthy of merit whenever it's convenient for him to take that view. He later recants everything he does: the group helps them escape, Carver gets his just desserts, Reggie doesn't matter anymore because he's dead, he acknowledges his anger at Clem was unjustified(or taken too far), his outrage towards Luke loses its bite and he affectionately considers him dumb young adult for it(or lets it slide completely), and he confesses to Clem that she's right about what he did to Arvo if she brings it up. But his view on similar situations and the intensity he brings to the ensuing conflicts don't change or go away. People like Sarita only held him back from lashing out and taking matters into his own hands.
Some people couldn't handle Kenny's extreme behavior and tried to leave. They were both afraid of him and alienated from him enough to just grab all the supplies and leave without looking back. Their actions, including Arvo's attempt to kill a kid surrendering their weapon, can't be condoned, but they are understandable. Kenny was never "right". His behavior towards people based on his preformed notions derived from what he perceived as negative or damning about them are what caused them to turn on him. I've noticed this before, something along the lines of "treat them like animals and they become animals"(which is partially invalid on account of the word "animal"), I'm sure there's a tv trope for it. When it comes to Jane, she can't be blamed for initially deciding to provoke Kenny to the point of causing him to violently attack her. She just didn't think he would try to kill her, but the minute that it becomes clear, she makes the conscious decision that informing Kenny or running to get the "physical proof" were second to just killing him so that they wouldn't have to deal with his shit anymore. This was where she went wrong, but Kenny was never "right" about her. Jane just couldn't take it anymore, because Kenny always did this. He'd react negatively and violently toward a scapegoat, someone who disagreed, or did something questionable, and he'd always regret it and apologize later, but it was something that had stayed consistent, even way back to when he met Lilly.
Hell, I could argue that his first violent confrontation--having to defend his might-be-bitten son from a papa-wolf type, ill-tempered military veteran who wouldn't take any chances no matter who it was or what the chances of them being bitten or turning were--set the tone for him on what the world after the fall of civilization would be like and how he had to deal with it. Some might say it was always in him, citing the time a surprise-I'm-a-zombie person attacked his son and how strongly he reacted, but all we have is his vague description of that situation and speculation as to how each of us might react in that sort of confrontation.
Overall, Kenny was an edgy person to be around and unpredictable save for that pattern I mentioned, and while I wouldn't feel safe around him personally, I can find no justification for what Jane did other than her feelings towards him, but she handled it poorly and there was just no way I would let Kenny die for it. One thing is certain, what Jane did was completely unjustifiable, and as long as she continues to try to justify her reasons, her method, or the event/result, she doesn't deserve an ounce of redemption for it.
She didn't know he was dead but there was no responce
and if it was your dad what would you do?
try to get him breathing again or let him go, she had a chance to revive him it didn't work, oke 1 second before the saltlick "incident" he may have moved but that could also have been the CPR
And you can't saltlick someone if they're coming at you trying to eat you alive
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Walker were coming slowly, like walkers do. That she had a baby in her arms doesn´t mean she could not have keep the walker off of Clem so she could shoot him, or simply wait for Clem to kill the walker instead of running on to put her plan into action.
Yes. After Arvo tells them about Clem´s group. And like I said, if not because of Jane, Arvo and the Russians could not have known about Clem´s group.
Leaving aside that I don´t think she cared about anybody else except Luke or Clem in any way, she should have realized that letting Arvo go could just cause problems, so letting Arvo go was harmful. Arvo and Vittali may as well be the same.So like I said, she didn´t kill Arvo only because Clem was there to watch, and nothing more.
After they hit the walker and car crashed, Jane protected the baby from the walker (because the walker ignored Clementine and was focusing only on Jane) and went outside asap and told Clem to do the same. However Clementines door was stuck so she had to shoot the walkers and go through the other door. Jane waited outside for a second and then she saw 2 walkers going after her, so she had to move.
And why would they not rob them, if its only Clementine and Jane they expect to walk there? 2 targets would be a lot easier to rob than how many they actually had. Even the russians say that theres too many of them.
Simply leaning back on her seat could have done the same thing; that walker was not going to move off the windshield.
The walker, you mean. There was only the one stuck walker.
Maybe. Or maybe she saw the chance of putting her plan into action. Besides, like I said, this could have be prevented if she stayed in the car. Which she didn´t.
You are ignoring what I said. I didn´t say they could not rob them, but that, if not because of Jane, Arvo and the Russians could not have know about Clem´s group.
Funny that you mentioned that, because Arvo and Vitali have same voice actor.
So, should we blame Clementine for being there and not letting Jane kill Arvo?
That´s too harsh. She is just a kid. How was she supposed to know?
Yeah, there was so much space & time to start kicking that walkers head in.
Typo.
You can see her looking at Clem and then she sees 2 walkers coming at her and she starts running (you see one of these walkers walk past the door).
You're the one who ignored everything i said. After Arvo knew about them, he probably told his friends about this so they could ambush them. If they actually knew how big group they had, they could have possibly ignored them passing through.
Well thats one problem. Jane knows what has to be done but Clem doesnt. Jane shouldnt have tried to rob him for the group, but it seemed like she was trying to be part of the group at that point, so she tried her best to benefit the group.
More than enough space, in my opinion.
Yes, she looks at Clem and sees 2 walkers and she starts running. Does not change she could have stayed at the car and the situation could have be different.
Yeah, okay, that´s true.
Well, I much prefer that Clem stays like Clem instead of becoming Molly 2.0 or Jane 2.0.
It was for Clem, because Clem cared about the group.
Did you not see the gif? She was barely out of reach of the walker and couldnt have possibly kicked the walkers head.
Hopefully this changes in the future and we can really affect how our Clementines change.
This will just go in circle, so lets stop it here.
Kicked the walkers head, no, but nothing prevented Jane for putting a boot under the walkers chin and slam him around.
That walker could have easily grabbed her leg and just bite her... Jane didnt survive this long by doing stupid decisions.
Well, I don´t really mind if Season 3 gives the option of having Clem become Molly 2.0 or Jane 2.0, but I also what the option of letting her stay like herself.
Okay.
She could have slammed it back agaist the top of the car, and break its head agaist it. She didn´t even need to kill it, just hold it off so Clem could shot it.
I mean that Clementine can be more like the player, very much like Lee was. Wouldnt you want Clementine to have more dialogues and decisions you would personally pick and that changes you Clementine to be more like you would be? Like for me, its hard to identify with the character, because she cares about different things than i do. The baby for example. Also, there are sometimes such a bad dialogue options, that i just remain silent for long periods of time.
The walker completely ignored Clementine. She had plenty of time to shoot it.
Yeah, but there is a problem with that. Clem as a canon personality, and they cannot really mesh with that without lots of buildup, but Lee had pretty much only one canon detail, that he was a convicted killer, so he was naturally a lot more malleable.
Yes, well, that´s true, but Clem was shocked and dizzy. Hell, even Jane looked kind of shocked.
Well all im hoping is that they change this next season (she grows up fast in world like that and because of all the decisions she has had to make). And add more walking around and chatting with random people to the game.
Yes, that could be really good.
And giving Clem a ride to Macon,helping Lee find out the truth about the dairy before everyone became meal,fixing the RV and thus saving her and everyone when the bandits attacked,sticking around after his family died so he could "help the folk he cared about" as he put it,joining Lee's search party, sacrificing himself to save Clem's friends Ben or Christa, and sacrificing himself again for her and AJ at Wellington
He did that for Lee, not Clementine.
And it was pretty frustrating he didn't have my back right off the bat. It was tempting to tell him fuck off But nah.. I couldn't do that.
And Clementine was perfectly capable of reaching Wellington on her own. And Kenny "sacrificing" himself for Ben or Christa? That was supposed to be a suicide attempt. Gavin Hammon himself said Kenny's deleted death scene happened there.
I really don't understand how Kenny "sacrificed" himself to let Clem and AJ live in Wellington. He didn't do anything special really. Clem could've even gotten there on her own.
Kenny's a good guy. But don't see what makes him "super special". The only thing probably is time. If you known someone for so long, I guess you'll probably be hesitant to shoot him... But then again, they spent about 16 months away from each other.
So...I really don't know.
She came back for Clem though!
Helping Lee is indirectly helping Clem because he was her guardian at the time
Just because she could have made it to Well on her own doesn't take the credit that he brought her there in the end. That's like saying Clem could have made out of the herd in EP4 on her own, so Jane staying back to help her doesn't count at all, or that she could have went back to Howe's on her own so Jane sticking with her isn't deserving of praise. C'mon.
Kenny says before crossing the balcony and Ben / Christa's accident that he resents what Katjaa did and that he'd never commit suicide, and if he truly wanted to die and wasn't trying to help them, he would have never made it out of there to meet us in Season 2. Seriously, to make it through something like that, I think the will to live has to be pretty strong.
I'm just saying Kenny's a dick but he's not a complete dick all the time like some people make him out to be.
You bring up a lot of BS to make a point , he never killed ben until he felt sorry for him and didn't want him to be eaten alive and in doing that almost got himself killed....
Oh well zykelator is a die hard jane fan and a kenny hater thats why you are talking so much BS because people side with kenny and they have every right to
Well i've been saying this many times, but only thing which stops Kenny from killing group members is other group members.
Never said people cant side with Kenny. Theres plently of people who prefer to be loyal to old friends than put priority on their own survival.
No, just like the topic name Kenny was right and thats why lilly didn't shoot him
Lilly didnt seem like she agreed with Kenny...
This forum totally mislead me I shot Kenny and thought the bullet would ricochet off his mustache and kill Jane, but that didn't happen I was like WTF?!
she didn't agree with him the whole game so whats your point ?
That statement is full of shit?
and why the ???
Lily knew that if her dad was dead they would've ben in a lot of trouble and kenny did something about it what if they waited and a 300 pound seriously pissed off walker tries to eat you and you're in a closed off storage cell
and thats why she didn't shoot him because he may have saved them all
If she knew he was dead, then why did she try to revive him?
Forgive me nugget for only being capable of reading a few sentences (it's very early in the morning), but it just appeared to me that Jane did want to fight Kenny. She isn't capable of killing another human being intentionally, which is why she put her knife away and proceeding to only attack Kenny without really trying to kill him. However, she really did want to fight him, and the main reason wasn't to show he's a short-tempered time bomb that could snap at any moment. It's about Clementine. She came back for her, and wanted to convince to her that she doesn't need Kenny.
Jane just wants Clementine to herself. Basically her replacement of Jamie, solely because she's not a quitter, which is why Jane turned down Sarah and looked more towards Clem. She's a manipulator, and just needed to find a way to get rid of Kenny. She uses the time bomb excuse as a way to make the best of things. The way to try to get out of a problem when AJ was found alive, the ride up north scene, and so on.
It's most likely absurd that I think from this perspective, but I'm just thinking around the direction that Telltale wanted Jane to drive us into. And while she was right, that's already obvious. It's been like that since Season 1, and we've always known of Kenny's aggressive behavior, and Clementine's always known that as well, but it took Jane to try to seal the deal.
Either way, it seems it won't matter with all these endings anyways. Doesn't matter who was right or wrong, S3 will not have two different plots, and both Kenny and Jane are determinant. It's best not to already state the obvious that Kenny's time to go was there and blah blah or Jane was a psycho blah blah because it really won't matter in a year or two anyways. The only difference the two endings will have effect is only on Clementine's viewpoint. She can go with Jane and be a full self-reliable long wolf capable survivor, or a still forgivable survivor of sympathy who still tries to make the best of things. Or go alone and be a ruthless motherfucker, but I mean really, it's going to be dropped soon so whoever is more sensible in your opinion will have tiny effect in your unfinished journey in the near future.
Well, here's the thing about Kenny...
He's normally a passionate person. He's so strongly passionate for his loved ones and his way of doing things that he doesn't consider anything else a valid option, or even smart. Being unable to reign it in and think rationally, especially when his loved ones and/or his plan for the future is/are in jeopardy, is his one major flaw. It goes beyond immature, too. Other people are able to stew over conflicts that result from their immature behavior and eventually apologize and reform according to the lesson behind the conflict in question, even if it takes a month to happen. This is because they ultimately put other people first, or recognize that themselves or their loved ones are not the only people who matter. Kenny is different. He consistently refuses to acknowledge that other peoples' plans have merit even if they don't involve the same methods. He continues to lay blame on people for situations that get out of hand, but seem to have been started by them, whether or not the intent to cause problems was originally there to begin with.
This happened with Ben, and he forgave Ben. Later, he lashes out at the group(even Clem, determinant) for seeing no way to escape before being imprisoned, which indeed there wasn't. He sensed that there was danger at the hardware store, and this turned on his Action Man switch in disregard to all other circumstantial factors. Later, when meeting Reggie, he immediately antagonizes him for choosing the safety of Carver's camp despite his authoritarian methods. Reggie wouldn't have helped, but he wasn't against the group choosing differently. It didn't matter to Kenny. Reggie didn't want to leave and didn't want to help, and that put him on his blacklist. Later, when the source of his newfound joy and happiness dies, he lays blame on Clementine almost immediately when he registers her presence. When Luke is found in the aftermath of what is clearly a tryst seized in trade for abandoning his post for roughly 10 minutes, he blames Luke for not warning them of the nearby herd(which honestly is quite reasonable, because even though Luke isn't directly responsible for all that happened while he wasn't on watch, he certainly could have given them a heads-up, which required that he do his job and keep his third eye shut). In Episode 5, after a shootout that put the baby's life in danger and almost seriously wounded Luke, he looks for a scapegoat, finds one that seems the most reasonable to him and immediately tries to kill him. And he would have, had not Mike and Luke got between them fast enough. Seeing some sense in what they're saying, he chooses to hold off on killing Arvo for the sake of supplies promised, but don't think for a second that Kenny would have honored the silent consent he gave to let him travel with them. Throughout the time they travel together, Kenny takes out his frustration on Arvo in ways that don't involve ending his life or pushing the rest of the group away. They certainly do alienate them from him even while he holds onto restraint. He later loses that restraint when Luke and Bonnie(determinant) drown and Clem nearly almost does. Because once Sarita dies, he has nothing that can reasonably hold him back. He respects Clem enough to regret anything she disapproves of, but she's still a little girl to him, not smart enough to have independent views worthy of merit whenever it's convenient for him to take that view. He later recants everything he does: the group helps them escape, Carver gets his just desserts, Reggie doesn't matter anymore because he's dead, he acknowledges his anger at Clem was unjustified(or taken too far), his outrage towards Luke loses its bite and he affectionately considers him dumb young adult for it(or lets it slide completely), and he confesses to Clem that she's right about what he did to Arvo if she brings it up. But his view on similar situations and the intensity he brings to the ensuing conflicts don't change or go away. People like Sarita only held him back from lashing out and taking matters into his own hands.
Some people couldn't handle Kenny's extreme behavior and tried to leave. They were both afraid of him and alienated from him enough to just grab all the supplies and leave without looking back. Their actions, including Arvo's attempt to kill a kid surrendering their weapon, can't be condoned, but they are understandable. Kenny was never "right". His behavior towards people based on his preformed notions derived from what he perceived as negative or damning about them are what caused them to turn on him. I've noticed this before, something along the lines of "treat them like animals and they become animals"(which is partially invalid on account of the word "animal"), I'm sure there's a tv trope for it. When it comes to Jane, she can't be blamed for initially deciding to provoke Kenny to the point of causing him to violently attack her. She just didn't think he would try to kill her, but the minute that it becomes clear, she makes the conscious decision that informing Kenny or running to get the "physical proof" were second to just killing him so that they wouldn't have to deal with his shit anymore. This was where she went wrong, but Kenny was never "right" about her. Jane just couldn't take it anymore, because Kenny always did this. He'd react negatively and violently toward a scapegoat, someone who disagreed, or did something questionable, and he'd always regret it and apologize later, but it was something that had stayed consistent, even way back to when he met Lilly.
Hell, I could argue that his first violent confrontation--having to defend his might-be-bitten son from a papa-wolf type, ill-tempered military veteran who wouldn't take any chances no matter who it was or what the chances of them being bitten or turning were--set the tone for him on what the world after the fall of civilization would be like and how he had to deal with it. Some might say it was always in him, citing the time a surprise-I'm-a-zombie person attacked his son and how strongly he reacted, but all we have is his vague description of that situation and speculation as to how each of us might react in that sort of confrontation.
Overall, Kenny was an edgy person to be around and unpredictable save for that pattern I mentioned, and while I wouldn't feel safe around him personally, I can find no justification for what Jane did other than her feelings towards him, but she handled it poorly and there was just no way I would let Kenny die for it. One thing is certain, what Jane did was completely unjustifiable, and as long as she continues to try to justify her reasons, her method, or the event/result, she doesn't deserve an ounce of redemption for it.
She didn't know he was dead but there was no responce
and if it was your dad what would you do?
try to get him breathing again or let him go, she had a chance to revive him it didn't work, oke 1 second before the saltlick "incident" he may have moved but that could also have been the CPR
And you can't saltlick someone if they're coming at you trying to eat you alive